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Ass year has been so tough everybody, but also amazing what so many of us have been able to accomplish, especially for voices of color. My book just came out over a month ago, and the timing was pretty spot on. So many people were talking about mental Health and normalizing it next guesses, also one offered with two books. One just came out and we can't wait to get into it Ok, I can say in it which I don't know what I'm saying. I'm just excited here we go. yeah, I'm so excited so thrilled to have this amazing phenomenal guess

yeah we have a man, you all actual checking in. He was an incredible NFL player and he is now currently call host a fact. Sports talk show speak for yourself creator, an host of comfortable conversations with the black man he's also a writer of his recent books, uncomfortable conversations with the black man, and We are times best seller, uncomfortable conversations with a black boy. He is now I m e winner for outstanding sports personality, immoral, on your talent, yeah perceval. If I had a effects, we say: congratulations and we'd have horns and everybody will be clapping. We please welcome Emmanuel, agile checking in Russia, it is an honour. It is a pleasure to check in and be checked and act, as I feel it felt. Kind of weird

you, one of the women with the most distinguished and accomplished a list of accolades read our model, Let's hear me out why everything I know you got more, you have more cap, or I mean what what I love about. You is your faith, your love for family. I know we can read out multiple winds of your life, but to me you, salad in years to me, is the biggest went to me of them all men and demanded of it. I have twice closure. because of your faith, we can get in that all of that, but you can go ahead on and talk about me a little bit. You can look on my nerves I need to exactly and settled at all, the whole bio leader. But

no it's funny, because you and I we might Arap what like six months ago, the first time we have the facility met in person. We have none, but it feels like yet exactly due to the glories of social media, their clear their allotted downside for the glory of those so media. We ve been able to connect nothing. That's my instantly told you like you. I had one of your tracks on RP from a flight from LOS Angeles, the Connecticut which six hours, so it is a long time to listen to one side over and over and over there? I think it was fearless am I making only now facing us Does the copier? Yes, yes, yes, I am, I got thinker was that beer his joy, ah Yasser Bangor. So What are you thank? You How much did it like help? You be fearless in

Is it was it an affirmation or something you declare? There was a first off. I'm a man of melody, and so more than like what it did to me on the surface, it was like the subliminal movement of the music that really just kind of moved me if you will, and so I think I felt it more than I heard you're in the wrong business use dollar. You should be at an hour an epoch records as well. you speak like amuse. You speak a audio recording artisan repertoire, leg back with Beth, exactly what an air, nor would say present their artists on their roster with the track, and they would say exactly what you just said, You know, I'm a man of melody and it was fluid just move. You said you took me back to my two my days of recording, like that's what they would have said to me, Lord. I love

realize like good, like. What's your favorite hobby playing the piano, I'm like I just love getting away, and I just love music, and just like the relaxation of use it oh yeah anyway, weakens with profound look: I'm not used to that question. What you ask me: ok, here's that, like me asking you, can you play words? Even if you And it's just. I was now silly outward sound, so silly answer but you can prove that idea. You norms, Diana Gallo, saw here at air. You taught me a low sulphur, some you know, then. Ok, ok, well, ok within meaning that I don't play sports. That's just not my calling, not review. I will say, and we gonna we gonna to this ain't, even an interview. This is the intro. Listen during

ball. I would do commentator with Cavern Frazier, and so we go to very super balls and I used to say no yard. So don't take this the wrong way, because what I am about to say, as man inappropriate about to say I wanna get sued it right in full gear football gear To get hit a lotta people make that request and what actually happened? and then, while they're lying in the bed of their doctors. Love is like that with such a great decision you don't know, but I wanna be padded Times tee, who the big, I feel like very big and probably does create a simulator where you can experience that. level of pay without going through all the work. Yet

Some say that level of impact is what is just ridiculous. Currer currer be careful what you wish for our right. Ladies and gentlemen, this has nothing to do with the conversation that I have prepared for so listen outside of football. You rose to prominence as a best selling author in twenty twenty, with your book uncomfortable conversations with the black man. That has also become a very popular you tube series, and thank you so much for doing that. I've watched them and why did you feel that there was a need to create a platform for these conversations? Did you did a very well so much clarity, a bridge too much needed conversations and restoration yeah. So for those who don't know me to familiarize themselves with the over the next few minutes,

raising doubts taxes, but my parents are first generation, I'm first generation American, apparently raise a Nigerian so myself I grew up black. Obviously buckskin color, but I realized there is a difference between color in culture. You can be black by skin color, but not necessarily be black culture, and now there are several culture. Black people is not like one monolith, as we all know, but I want to now. The number one private school in tax is not my opinion is truly the number one private contacts. It's called Saint Mark School of taxes boy school. We were uniform. Grace lacks white button down posed to be super nerdy, but I am still intelligence. Peace within our readiness himself. It was problematic so I'm immersed in a white culture Michel while living in a six two two hundred forty pounds black re, so I realize it disconnects when I got the college- and I was now immersed in black culture playing football, the University of Texas out, like a second,

Some may now had not got high school. My white friends would say I mean Amanda black, but you're, not black wet Men are your black, but you don't talk like your black. Are you black, but you don't dress like your black, so Michel threw out middle school in high school. I'm wondering why maybe I met that black going on. I think I'm glad I look pretty, but especially climb dark skin But tell me I'm not black, so maybe I'm not like I've got the college in. Unlike you know, I am black peace, while my white brothers and sisters were led to believe that to be black is to be like These are the two thousand do without the I've just what he wrote in his book ya. Think, So I'm about to say why uncomfortable conversations with a black me, it's simple There- is a language barrier in our society between black people and white people must now go back to middle school high school. If you will any of your listening. Take us back to high school. Remember in high school

language teacher would always say this. Your spanish teacher, a man if you want to be fluent in Spanish. You have to immerse yourself in the cold if, in the buggy, all within the book erratic lie like it, don't matter if you out of mere speaking, but no amount of below spanish move. It are you immersed in spanish culture, and so because I was immersed in White Coltrane immersed in black culture or middle school in high school, culture than the rest of my I dont, like black culture. I realized O Dana in the same language, because when you, your black people, say we're oppressed, systemic racism, police brutality and my brother, like what you mean police, brutality, I'll, see you when you are what people say. There is no such thing as white privilege, islands life like we were like what you mean. You think you got a job over me and we have the same exact Razumihin like language barrier, So let me do this myself. I said I'm gonna preemptively answer these

questions that I know my white brothers and sisters have, but they either dont. Have black Remsen asked do, or they do not have the courage to ask enter uncomfortable conversations with a black man. A black man. Ok out his father is also a pastor and I would not be surprised. Around him down the line. If don't say, if I get always area, I caught her. If I get an invitation say, could you calmly, praise worship and manuals pastoral installation. The way he just broke back down, I'm ready to pass the plate. The often yeah give low fi cash app whatever. When I read that in your book, first of all, my mom draw heart say because I'm like wow, my heart, also sent because you mentioned a slight

identity issue. You were like weight at my black or I remember in high school, almost practically getting in a fight because someone said that I talk white. I was like all I didn't know that annunciation pronunciation using my syllables now, definitely rot. with you on that I rapidly who, on so much that you give us Aramis with conversations that you were known with police officers, I once they were you nervous, but is like I could feel the tension. The nervousness the uncertainty coming through the scurrying thou know. People knew or fell waiting

It is a manual finagle often asked what is this conversation we entered into the lions DEN? That's what I feel that they feel Yoda was crazy again time to extol. I sat down and Penaluna California right outside Oakland with their entire or a large majority of their police department. I remember Petaluma California, population of sixty thousand less than one percent black entire workforce. Was why so, I'm in a room of twenty five white officers mind users in the middle of covert, though everybody out to get cobra tested in this, was, I guess, the most people I had been around and probably five months prior and it's all white people with badges and guides and obstinate near the black man in this room I won't snow. I was nervous and I would say I was nervous because, like you said, I rose to prominence based off Bob,

about three conversations, one I did by myself. The second I did with Matthew Montana Hay, and then I sat down with chip and joint again next thing you know, open iron partnership together on a book about Sonata World, it is crazy anymore. Nor did the world knew me so now, I'm sitting with these officers, but I didn't have a tunnel repetitions and so the first question no, I had to ask the cops was when was the last time you have meal with a group of blackmail? an answer. Michel was startling because the first officer there were four on stage the other twenty one were in the audience, the burst officers like well a manual. I am, I I can't say that I ever had you know the next officer said honestly. I don't think I ever have to which I brought the attention that who's. The first time you may interact with the black individual in an elongated manner matter will be when you're apprehending them, though, unlike how do you expect them to go

I can't go well you'd such a so called propel you because proximity breeds care and distant breed sphere. That was a famous quote out of that up or so, and that anyway, I'm going to hijack this conversation with that, but that was just up. There was a lie a lot. I thought it was Absolute Lee, brilliant life. Changing thought provoke. And once again you guys to get his book. I'm the double conversations with the black man to really get to it from the one at that that you say you have to immerse yourself in the culture and to know that there are people that have to come in contact with the latter black and brown people who have not immerse themselves in the culture. because, once you do that, you know that a black persons passion if their yelling is not necessarily because their angry

correct ages might be excited and they just trying to get they point across. They raised a voice a little more ironies, my voice, a little more in the way we go away. I'm not be an aggressive, I'm just exciting. Ok, maybe I do need to bring it down lightly. Even in the interests of us talk here, we were on a thousand where that is culture and the law here outside the Peres family home, just waiting for that and there they go almost on time. This morning, mom is coming out the front door. Strong with a double arm could carry, looks like dad. Has the bags daughter is bringing up the rear, but that diaper bad wasn't closed refers in toys are everywhere. Oh mom is just nailed the perfect car seat buckle for that.

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It's a show other things he set off for the bits of ourselves that make us who we are listening. From starting, very fifteen as part of the Micro Outta podcast network. The boy me. I hung radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast you also gave us uncomfortable conversations with a black boy. now, where these conversations that you wish somebody had with you or conversations that you wish you were able to have with you know those two things are mutually exclusive right. I think those both actually both those questions stand together. When I, like, I told you when I was often told a man of your black which are not black black, so I was confused when I put that statement out there. My mama and brothers and sisters told me how we are often told you like a coconut brown on the outside white on the inside. I was like your ass wild because I was obviously told I like it

Rio black on the outside wine on the inside the one like I realise that people were going through this and other races and ethnicity, the same thing. I had an American sit me. They were told there like a banana yellow on the outside white on the inside and always like, like we all out your suffering at the hands of racially ignorant. Friends, quoting in our most valuable stages of light, yeah and so uncomfortable conversations with a black boy. It is The conversations I wish I would have been able to have when I was twelve thirteen fourteen it dialogue. I wish my white brothers and sisters with would have been able to hear you where the similar aid, like remember, Michel, you can't fix a problem, you dont know exists, and I think we can

We as a society need to understand the difference between racist, racially ignorant and racially insensitive. They are not the same thing in my opinion. You have to start to gauge intention. I don't think these twelve year old, were racist when they said a man, no you're, not really all that black. I don't think defined racist, I don't even think. You know it, but they were racially ignorant because to them to be black western talk without an empty eighty, your words to them to be blacklisted, where your pants around your button to have three change around your neck stone. I wrote uncomfortable conversations with a black boy really address and tackle racial ignorant when we thank you so much of it is a number one best seller. Obviously, writing this book. Because of your experiences, did your relationships with white people change? www question on urban ass out before, as

in writing the book you're writing from experiences or as writing the before you having these conversations as well as crazy. I've done. I probably done four hundred interview in the last year? And I've never been asked that question, I don't know they didn't change. I think that I think that they were expanded. I think my relationship with my wife, brothers and sisters were burnt. And the beauty of my experience and I believe ones, experiences their expertise. beauty of my life, the swarm speaking from experience. So what I'm speaking to my white brothers and sisters is only I've been in them rooms. I've heard these conversations, that's how I note a preemptively answer. A question. Welcome black people can say the inward, but why

People can cause I've heard, don't conversations amongst white people, I've heard conversations amongst white people, but what about black on black crime in Chicago we're? Not talking about that, but you wanna talk about police brutality, have are those conversations, our relationships never changed because they were off Bennett. and I don't know I've got something has to change. Ok, I love That and I'm glad you said that they expanded or abroad- and I guess even me and asking the question- I know I personally definitely was huh When, for the latter, for what you just said, it expanded a broad and people were enlightened. I brought you together, white people's relationship with me changed, but asked my relations of white people Jane very, very, very different, We see now got out at sea are not a notice. Man listens legal arm saved at one for relationship, because am I see how you are in arguments? The way you circle that thing back on around Malka

There was a change in white people's relationships with me because now white people's relationship with me was much more attentive. Listening, open hearts, open ears. What is he to say. Why does he have to say it? I was able to by the grace of God corner there respect in garner their attention as a result of their respect, so a lot changed from there and my end, but nothing really changed your mind there at all, ended by saying this for a lot of white people. You could probably assume that I was one of the few black people. They got to know intimately or listen to extensively, but I've been loved time. Why people, though my wife, my experience, likely whenever change their experience with a black man, I'm sure she answered changes? They probably don't talk to.

you know two hundred forty brown black people on a daily basis about rakes. I know they talk. They bought a lot of my books. I married you by law, the books and, if you want the knowledge, so their relationship change remind really didn't LAO pulse. Profound and arms who listened with so excited about folks bought the book. Congratulations on your enemy by the way, this past year you took on another tv role and you took over Chris Harrison as host of the popular bachelor special after the final roles, There was a lot of controversy surrounding Harrison's departure, as we know putting racism. What was like transitioning into this new role. Yeah, that was, I've bar the hardest thing. I've ever done on television, here. Is why the bachelor they want to talk about love. They don't want to talk about raised, but they need a hearings, and I give this analogy.

You remember when you were a child or those listening to have children of their own choice journey not to eat the desert, but they need to eat the baddies. So now, you have to as the parent or as the chef or ask both you have to find a way to a pair of the meal that will allow the child to digest the baddies while they expect that deserve, because that's what they really want. So I had to find a way to allow the audience to digest be racial reconciliation, interracial intelligence as intimidate the love. What they really want is allowed. They don't want to hear and racial yeah, so it was so difficult Michel trying to win Eve in and around ok, I'm give you all these conversations which are needed this race dialogue. You have a deeply yeah. Do you understand these Jim's he's dropping

to go back and listen to this conversation to write the stuff down, because I can't do it right now. you for that. So you were saying it was difficult to kind of weave that in what we expect next time if you're still only a part of it, Man, that's good! Well at this point it was kind of a one off. They asked me to hope that, after the final rose special because Matt James, the first black bachelor chose a white woman who, on how to silly insensitive photos of her come out. Many people are racist. Baldos. Remember I'm very particular with my words. I said she had a racially insensitive photos appear until I was called into action at that point. I dont know what the future holds in regards to me and that show I'm if I'm called up to bad again all prepare, and I will try to deliver what the world needs does what the world wants, because not wants should be termed by needs, but it was just there was on

the very volatile moment for one of the highest yeah rose in August, to be a man in a moment. Absent Thirdly, in the beginning our conversation. You gave us a little bit of your bet. Roy, you told us. You were born and raised in Dallas Texas to your parents, who are Niger area in your father? Is a mental health professional? What exactly psychiatrist just store. I got my phd inside card. You ve, been in private practice, were thirty seven years. Ok I'm sure that that was a unique experience. Pastor psychology you end up in Sports- How has that played a role in your own mental health in later years, because I know you know as far as sports and mental health a lot? I was just watching the weight of gold warm.

Documentary, I believe, Michael Phelps has produced where it is a part of, and it was talking about athletes and mental health. Do you feel like You are blessed to have a father in practice or did not mean anything. Did you experienced anything mental health, wise growin up as far as your identity was concerned, air from your transition? That's two questions from the inner fail to the row you play now It's a catch. Twenty two Michel Havin, a father who they psychologists because you always driving psychoanalyze, I always like trying to give the answer. You think he wants to hear the post just given the right answer of what, if he interpreted. after those where you're that way or you get storage or assessed based on actual true answer, you give a vacuum, but was a catch. Twenty two and also having a bad. That's a pastor because now

You know your life is just always under a microscope in your past, his kid and we drew up a part of a major chocolate Bible Fellowship obsolete but now you have Priscilla yeah yeah yeah. You know all about my family on the sole district catch. Twenty two sports is different, though, because it supports you go to so much mentally. I mean it was so hard on me. As far as I was on the roster off there asked or parliament, to put it in Layman's terms, I got cut five times be aided by the age of twenty five I was also traded involves drafted in normal working terms, I was hired by a job transfer. to another job in another city, where I knew no one and was fired, and we hired by that job. I've time before I was twenty by That was my NFL career to find those like. You know what I'm good. That does a lot to your psyche being told you not good enough being told you not fast enough. Strong

of my coach told me Michel, MRS stuck with me for life when I was getting type round getting fired, doesn't administered? man is that Eu Miss enables recommend deriving from the south and city. I wish I could buy stock in your future but see Oh I will. But back then I was twenty three getting release them on my boy, you mean you, wish you good bye stock in my future. I'm your your your firing me for my dream job and he was like he told me. I wish I could buy stockings future and it's crazy cuz. I feel uncomfortable conversations. I texted him and I said coach. I remember what you said and he text me back and said. The stock price is too high, you better to hide now, all that to say like yeah football. It took it all. It took it all, but guy but Guy

and ass a man if you would say that its painful re? But I love when the old folks say that pain propelled you into purpose my true. We truly believe in our own purpose evolves or the aside. This be assignment. May change, but purpose remains the same. I'm kind of I'm kind of in that season of figuring then out as well, but I truly truly believe you are on track and I agree with course. I wish I could have seen you at twenty three to look back in time to see you now right, because we see you now. I hear people say we know a true a tree by the fruit it bears, but I believe it was because of sea song from childhood to now how you prefer We even handled being cut new, no for people that are listening right now. You ve been fired and you're trying to find your way your transitioning, but you

see your future the way somebody else Caesar future he may know what would you say to someone who doesn't believe that their future is bright or they'll they'll have high stock Wendy was on the way to bees words, so monument of life is gonna pay to be rather to train of thought. I dont often likes beginning christian ease, because christian needs can be hard, for people are trampling side I can give to amateurs right. I can give my Words are spiritually motivated man, so tat, I think, is that the hard questions you gotta give me each course indexes Anita E course eyeing the crystal you need to know when you grow up. You know how to do it. All my sometimes do image. What would I tell them? I would save it make sure it would be a couple things it when they would, regardless you have to have faith in

right you're, either having faith in doubt when you're having faith in success but you're having faith we just as we are similarly bathed with positive attributes but when I sit down on this chair as you and I having this conversation, I have faith that it's gonna hold me up. So, regardless your placing it faith somewhere, I would just try to make sure you place your bathed in your success, not your face in your doubt, or your faith in your failure, that's so on because either way, like you say its face, my way I saw something the other day. This is, if you believe you can your right. If you, if you believe you kept your right you, your belief somewhere. You put your face somewhere. Did you have other uncommon? we'll conversations to yourself about your calling man

good. No because was interesting. I was asked a question: went I'm not really prepared prepare for conversations? I, like the heart mature. come out yet, and someone said a man, you have you identify your calling, and I said this- I thought no, the greatest item. So I said after the first episode of uncomfortable conversations with a black man, I got a call from a no Colorado number. I picked it up those Matthew, Mokanna Otto Mokanna, hey speaking, I want to have a conversation about from before us a journalist doing episode in Fort AIDS that bus due tomorrow Macartney wants to do tomorrow. We do we wait with. I got a call from another no collar. I D, never pick it up, I knew all over when free I saw you really want to talk to you, it's ok to exaggerate all from another, no tolerating member, probably most powerful person in sports. Commissioner, and if our Roderick about a man who I saw these conversation you ve, been doing. I say that to say you're calling we'll call you pick it up. Come on come on.

Link it'll. Call you little call you ve got it get up, and so, in my experience it literally called me, Madame gonNA, over Winfrey Robert about my calling called me. I just said Dig it ya know what today is no collar ivy numbers we all ignore them. I've gone back to ignoring them by the way Ali Baba, but at the time my calling called me- and so as it pertained to me identifying my calling a running towards others had to pick it up by after George Ward was murdered. I said: ok, I gotta get the game. You know what it is: Michel him to get up. People on your team that you trucks, like you, know what I let my system do, this I was just do this must I was curious, but people start drop in a bar you. You know I am a good hour, but I do myself. Amateur acrid George Lloyd was murdered. I was like ok, police officers up outsource, wasn't

civil rights later that that also I'll give me my just what are you Doin Norman around your mother under my fundamental and that's? Why I created a comfortable conversations good I was called to. I don't have a choice. Another choice, but when you're calling calls you, I know you say pick it up play you gotta be prepared. You drew back three years a kid. You know. Some things in conversation are assume right leg You go on tore a part of one of the most famous groups. Ever you ever see prerequisite to pre requisite to being a part of european about think. Yes, you have to be repaid necessary as a pre. Requisite right in an ounce of preparation is greater than a pound of cure, which of them aside, but you have to be prepared and what's crazy for me, I was preparing before I knew it. I was doing. I was required,

videos in front of my cam ride. Doing random videos here. Try to influence society there and then, when the moment came, we were right, yes, sir? Yes, Sir I love that two people there how much you can do with what we hold in our hands twenty hours a day, this phone, use the camera you that foreign good use it for good and let your voice be out there. A few weeks ago we saw superstar tennis player Naomi Osaka, withdraw from the French Open to protect her mental health, and you spoke out in support, a prior decision. What message do you think Naomi decision since, in regard to put it on mental health? First, not only in the sports community but in the black community as well,

now all gonna be all like this, especially those listening that dont fully understand sports. The depths of sports like I do, but I get paid to do so and I have no choice. Pyres. An athlete have played in a football game with fifteen stitches on their forearm, true story, Thomas Davis lined Agri played in the Superbowl, actually that you performed at four. While fifty, I believe, job reformed. I'm glad I was there, Denver Brown, Goose, Carolina, Panthers and eyes They ve got all not to know if there was one thing be performed. Was that with Bruno Mars in em? You not remember too many the head saw, but I think that the true story, Thomas Vegas Working, sketches in his arm he plays ok, true story, Terrell Owens, with a broken foot with screws in it. He plays in a football game. Sulphur neonatal cycle to withdraw herself from one of these.

War major championships. When we ve seen the extent of physical pain the athletes will tolerate in order to play. Imagine how much mental paint must have been going through that's what national people don't get because you don't see the brain. See the mine, so where does like our made use of Vienna, part, etc, but not enough, we see at me play through excruciating physical pay, something back and see one or couldn't plate new risks.

imagine how deep was so. That was the first thing I wanted to highlight: Ass Renee o me. I think that it spoke volumes of prioritizing mental health. I think, if spoke volumes, we do not yet as a society fully understand it, because we cannot see it, and I said this is an exactly in Evans quote, but I'm still in Evans caught in a fight to life. If all you see is what you Then you do not see all there is to be seen. If all you see is what you see, then you do not see how there is to be seen. If all you see is a physical elements and whatnot you'll see it all and what now hostaqua. She was just like you and I got some stuff and if you don't want a respected, that's fine, but I respect myself enough to withdraw their suffering. Thank you so much so we ve got uncomfortable conversations with the black man uncomfortable conversations with the black boy,

Are we going to see a book comparable conversations in relationships. The main question is safe place. I'm not gonna go into anything personal, well, you're a good morning. We probably won't you the book, but will probably the dialogue. Ok, little Kay the dialogue is necessary. The beautiful or even like my life is thereby navigate. Singleness into my authorities is being able to have friends. You can have real conversations with the ops, sex are realised. Oftentimes like black and white people. We just process things and because we process things differently, there's miss communicate

listen and and and- and I brought this in a book called the meaning of marriage, one of the best books ever read in my life I'll catch. It feels it primary tension is bread through unmet expectation, and that is the stock with me. So I met expectations because they went on side and Slovakia correct and they were unsaid, an unspoken and does there was an expectation that wasn't discuss the men? It wasn't met and cancer. For you, you say: rules without relationship create equal. Labelling, all United North back in equate to interpersonal relationships or not resolve really it honestly here, because without, yes, I think it's applicable to anywhere about away most of my pulsar Doktor Tony Evans. That was also the Authority of paraphrase list

yeah I told you he has a well. We know where you get it from a young. I drooping got applicable in most areas of life. You know what it says is often times said from authoritarian to subordinate. Think pair the child, but I also think relational e when rules are set in place and there isn't a strong enough relation to bear that will lead to rebellion from one to the other end like any equation rebellion. With rules. Does it all plays itself out, but I do believe that to be true that some good and last but not least, We are a crucial pivotal time in history, as it relates to black lives matter and police reform.

This brutality, can you leave us with some calls to actions that we can all do right now, so that this does not become a trend that dies out already? No one or two you gotta get uncomfortable conversations with the black man. That's a call to action from me, but from you my friend say it like this. I spent the last weekend in Eugene Oregon and I was in you Jean Michel, because the olympic trials are going on. The olympic trials is bird though the young man and young women that are trying to represent american track and feel yes spent as year at any tracked me, what you will notice is net these sprinters, those running short distances where a certain type of spike that is most adequate, run short distances in and the long distance runners, those running five miles or more three miles, though a certain type of shoe it supports the long distance. My call to action would be to tell everybody the picture

less than shoes on, because this is not a sprint. Did they marathon and like any distance run if you were to wear sprint spikes after while your feet would get fatigue than you would have to stop running but understand it, We all are in this for the long haul. This isn't one of those things that's just done about the exists is about outcomes, and so my call to action is really- and I guess this spits this whole conversation of checking it. It's a mental call to action come on. Its prepare yourself for arrays. It may not have a finish line but as well about a journey that we travel, listen Emmanuel I'm so glad we were able to connect, I'm so glad that you were able to check in so that we can have is very important and power station. he's so let it was an honour. Friends Julian on exhausted

lady. please and gentlemen. What we were able to experience just a moment ago asked to change your life. Somehow it has to inspire you somehow The really is that check in with us here passion in so knowledgeable, but you can tell when a person is really truly authentic the operating in their purpose. In their assignment. Here on earth now, listen he said you're calling will call you you just have to pick up, so I hope that encourages you guys out there that your colleague will call you you just have to pick up

now, when you pick up, I would add, be prepared, not perfect, but just prepared. not perfect, but for sure King progress in that cry out. I'm making progress in what you decide to study and what you decide to meditate on, because we have our phones in our hand, some of our biggest downfall is how time we spend on social media. So that's a form of studying right so are you gonna study, someone else's life, someone else's gossip or business someone else's even down

or are we going to study when the calling cause us we're not as the awful say him in HOLLAND, you know, but we are pursuing, were rude aid and ready to go. I'm fired up. Please support a man. You well his book, uncomfortable conversations with the black man, an uncomfortable conversations with a black boy. Both of those books are available. Now they are New York Times best seller books. You can catch him on it.

social media instagram. He somebody that I enjoy following simply at Emmanuel Acho and I'm blessed they're. Just just certain conversations then, are gonna go down in history of the best conversations on checking in and ya. This is definitely in the checking in Hall of fame. So until next time. Thank you so much for joining me and checking in

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