Well welcome. Welcome no problem. Everybody come on in here. We've got a very special coffee with Scott Adams. Soon, as you get here, will keep it up. You're. Looking over my shoulder- and you are probably seeing my special guest I'm going to introduce the moment- we have our sip just before all right. We got enough people, so they were talking to Doctor Shiva. Are you doing who's independent candidate for Us Senate in Massachusetts, running against here's the fun part running against Elizabeth, or what better gas and what better day couldn't get any better than this, and we'll talk about that. A few of the topics like Saudi Arabia and the United and bowls and stuff like that all right, but before we do that, I would like to you

I'll. Let me see yes, I do. She will join me in the simultaneous up with the rest of you grab your jealous. You marks your glasses, your containers, but something in there like coffee and join me for the simultaneous. That's a good way to start Doctor Shiva, tell us what you think about Elizabeth Warren's dna test. Tell it. And I should mention it to the people who are not familiar with you, that you have Several advanced degrees that are relevant to this question. You've got a medical three. Let's say that little list here of your needs agrees. You're you've got-

you've got a? I might see it b s m as a I'm engineer, Phd you've you've if you've got the credentials of systems biology, computer science, scientific visualization, traditional medicine, and that should give us cover for this dna. Other discussions, so tell me what you thought of the whole dna thing with Elizabeth Warren. What was your take on? well, you know the Boston Globe called me. You know who's completely in bed with Elizabeth Warren trying to resuscitate her image, and they asked me for a quote. I said well that the results showed that she's, a bigger fake indian than we ever thought. She's. Ninety nine point: ninety nine percent white! That's what the results show and if you look at any percentage, Scott that she has any native american jeans. Let's say here in the America is not in South America, Columbia, crew in

it turns out, if you add the error, that into that which is hang out. A lot of this is based on statistics which we'll talk. When we get to polls, you basically have probably she's close to one hundred percent. You know. Ninety nine point: nine! Nine! If you do the significant figures to two significant figures, so I thought it was fascinating. Was. What would it be fair to say that she might? She might have a trace amount that is that fair discount, yeah yeah, definitely yeah from a statistical standpoint. She may have a few base pairs uhm. You know it's like. If you think about the genome as a huge document with billions of characters, there may be a few characters in there which have native american origin. Now I have to ask you a weird question. I saw a news and I forget what the context was but isn't something to the fact that women carry around some of the some

the dna from their sex partners from the past, is that a thing or is it not? The dna that you're carrying around some component of that part of that you're talking about from their actual partners right permanently from their partner released permanently. It becomes detectable in that is that a thing yeah. So here's the interesting thing up there, so in two thousand and three Scott, when the genome project ended, we found out some very fascinating things about DNA. It was initially thought it was a uni directional process right. You have your dna and it's especially cemented it cemented, which means nothing changes. What two thousand and three showed was when we found out. We have about the same number of jeans worm that DNA itself is malleable

you can add things into DNA, for example, from what you're saying from it coming from sex partners, you can actually get it from viruses. In fact, the environment can turn on and turn off jeans, so insertions into the genome can take place, but you can also have certain jeans be acceptable and uh. Accessible, so the genome is far more malleable than we ever thought so, but but will there ever be a case where somebody did a dna test and what was detected with something from a partner So I'm saying another case you're talking about where it there's a piece is a double stranded dna which hop from a partner in that one that could happen. It could also have couldn't from a virus coming it right. We can viruses, also delivering mechanism. But yes, it's possible.

Alright. I just wondered about that, and so does this seem like to you, like the worst political mistake that you could remember for her to do this. To do this, video, better DNA and I thought what went wrong is that, although We could argue that both well she's called academic. Usually right, that's one of the things people talk The people could say that in the use you seem to be a completely different personality, more practical, but I think she branded herself as sort of an ineffective academic. Through

this exercise is that what you got out of it yeah I didn't bring up an important point, looks guy. If you look at my degrees. In my background spending it engineering right electrical engineering, mechanical engineering, design and biological engineering at the difference between an engineer or a political scientist, is a fundamental difference or a lawyer or lobbyists the problem with pure science and pure lawyers. They are paid to manipulate data

write a lawyer can completely capacity. His job is to convince the jury that no matter if the data is against his client, somehow that everything is ok so there about taking the zero point: zero zero one percent and trying to convince people that your native American in science, you can get gather a bunch of data plotted and then you're fitting, align to occur, and that can be manipulated in engineering. The fundamental differences. We can't manipulate 'cause if you build a piece of software or you build an airplane and it falls out of the sky. It's pretty clear whether your stuff works or not right now, in the case of a little bit more- and I can tell you why all of this occured, which is really not come out of the media and it with all the respect, we're not getting our fair credit for what our campaign did because off the ground, Scott was trying to bring up a couple of photographs here. Are people have literally

day and night, putting up tons and tons of these signs, which you may see everywhere are volunteers. I don't know if you can see that passes. Picture of only the real Indian can defeat the fake indian four by eight signs. All over Massachusetts. This is on a highway here. You can see there Scott wow, This is on peoples, homes and this is this incredible work by our volunteers, which has been happening for about a year, is what forced the Boston Globe to write. This you know treat as saying Elizabeth Warren did not get into Harvard because of her native american heritage is complete nonsense. Again, the globe is the one who did this because there in a very close relationship with warm,

and when that failed, worn was forced to take this dna test, and I believe she probably took this dna test got the one we sent her. It lightly failed, and so then she went hunting for this guy Carlos boost Amante, who then threw in colombian peruvian other jeans. Essentially, gene snips. It's like you're doing a Google search instead of using cat. You try to use dog, and you try to find something. That's a for like a creature in there and that's it. That's essentially what just took place so Elizabeth Warren. Even doing this a mistake she made Scott, which was a significant mistake, was out of the desperation of the fact that the real indian fake indian Mean has gone out into the broad mass of people in Massachusetts. That's what compelled her to make and the globe to make these mistakes well this got hilarious, but I understand you're also, being prevented from debating

This is the way they calculate who's who's, who candidate, who Can you can you make that in its simplest form, when what math did they do that kept you off the debate stage and how do they do it right or wrong Yeah, the first mascot before the polls, even even the simpler math. Is this s they're three candidates who got on the ballot. And only two are allowed on the debate stage. In two thousand and fourteen five candidates in the governor's race were allowed on the debate stage, three independence and a democrat and Republican. All of them only have to get ten thousand signatures. We fulfill that we got twenty thousand signatures, so just on that alone, on fairness, you know, I think the debate stage can handle too. You know two people or three people. Now, what

debate people can do by the way. These are federal and state laws which have been put into place to people like you and I can run and follow. The rules will be followed all the rules But then they start introducing the same called polls and in the poll Scott, they can introduce criteria that you must achieve in a poll this level of head to head comparison to be on the debate stage, so after we filed the lawsuit four, a dot of the day, the judge decided to hear us. They said she must get ten percent or more in the head to head head to head a comparison and the Umass Pole, which is University of Massachusetts, who are suing they said, I'm at nine percent so that's what it is that now, let's talk about how the county, okay, so when they got the nine percent they pulled the not just likely voters right.

No, so the Umass poll included two groups. They did one whole among likely voters and one poll among all registered voters, so we at nine percent among The registered voters all registered voters. An eight percent among likely voters. Ok, so put it simply, let me tell you what we discovered you know took an MIT Phd in an MIT professor to figure this out. Is that I think, wherever they've been making a fundamental error purposely in polls which favors really incumbents and the existing two party system, and let me explain it this way. Remember the hotdog example gave you Scott. Maybe that helps ok, ok, I got a pool of a hundred people that I'm going to pull

and let's say I put this right away on my twitter and people. I asked you for the okay got a hundred people that you're going to call to find out who likes by some most centers in India. We treat our hot dogs right. And head to head but among those hundred people only fifty people have ever tasted a samosa, but all one hundred people have tasted the hamburger. Okay, hamburger and samosa Now you do the head to head and you ask people: do you like a similar? Do you like a hamburger fifty people say they love the samosa and fifty people say they love the hamburger. What is the head to head? Favorability? That's the question well, The pollsters have always been dividing by one hundred. That means they say fifty over a hundred is You know one hundred and fifty percent of the people like the samosa and fifty percent of the people, like the hamburger right, well, here's the problem,

among those hundred people, fifty people have never tasted the samosa ever so is the intention of the law to measure. Desirability, voters or to measure awareness among voters. They they even heard of your name, So what are they trying to measure? They call it the ballot test, it's to measure if you went into the boot, Who would you vote for? Ok, so they have been reporting the fifty percent on the so most the fifty percent on the hamburger when it should be really. If fifty people among those hundred are the only ones I've ever tasted, that means one hundred percent of the people with fifty percent visibility like the samosa and fifty percent of the people like the hamburger. So the bottom line is, if you take an incumbent candidate and one of the two party candidates, the denominator in that is going to match the actual visibility right. But when you have a new candidate coming

who doesn't have as much visibility essentially have to spend a lot more than denominators going to be far bigger because there's an indeterminate set of people who've, never in fact experience that candidate. So what do you do in a taste test? But what do you do with food? What you have a taste test and that's what it debate is. Scott. A debate is akin to a taste test. So what they want to deny the american people is the taste test where you get to see the candidate and then you get to the pole. So they do these polls and they rig it. So you can never allow people on the debate stage. So it's almost saying you have to score this much and then I'm going to let you do the taste test I would imagine that you, visibility would increase tremendous if you're on, Oh yeah! That's why they don't bother debate State Scott. Not only would it increase visibility but people would see this distinct difference

between a different standard. A person who works for a living solve problems. Has a history of solving problems actually have to solve real problems. You know: building airplanes and building software versus someone who manipulates things. That's what Elizabeth Warren were seeing this dynamic of lawyer lobbyists who can take zero point, zero one percent and try to still convinced with the media that she still in native American. It's absurd no different than saying that the sun revolves around the earth or the earth is flat, that's what lawyers and lobbyists do they don't have to pay attention the fact or career politicians. Well, when you're running well, at least at least, if Elizabeth Warren's on this stage, they have one person of color. What verse of what one person of color just kidding, yeah one person of color. In this case you know we put out this meme and it we should discuss racism here, because

whites only Shiva, not allowed, and when I say that Scott, it's a deeper discussion about race for far too long in this country? the last for the Democrats, unbounded race into don't use. The n word don't put up the confederate flag change, the name of the building ceremonial things on the right and the Republican. Take don't talk about racism, but there is racism in this country and its racism today in twenty eighteen about excluding diversity of ideas, I call it dark matter in Massachusetts. Sixty percent of the voters, you're nearing sixty, are dark matter. Independence, they're not affiliated with Democrats or Republicans, that's only forty percent, so they don't want the dark matter of ideas. Someone like me will talk about how the postal service can be a framework for free speech. Why Monsanto has no safety assessment standards? They don't want that diversity of ideas. So that's what that's the new form of racism. It goes beyond skin color, well

diversity in general, diversity of thought, diversity of ideas. So let's, let's change topic here but I have to ask you about Saudi Arabia. Yeah, so the latest news is and I'm not really good at pronouncing the the name here. Just so pitch I'm talking about. So the latest news is that the team of people who went in there are closely connected with the crown prince of Saudi Arabia. No, we didn't know how well how connected they were, but now it's currently members of his actual security team allegedly were in the the murder group. What do you think we should do with this? What do you think the United States What do you think our response should be well. You know, I'm uh you may have been staying, have been re tweeting with Rand Paul, and posting on this?

being in the Senate. I would essentially build a coalition with Rand Paul on this issue. I think, is right on target there is no reason which I think we should he's put a bill in Congress to cut the arms deals to Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia, when you look at the entire world, cultural basis of Saudi Arabia. They support radical islamic fundamentalism. They were essentially the you know by many reports, the core area of where a lot of the terrorist from nine hundred and eleven came. In many ways they have nothing in common with the values of this country stands for this for years. We know the Saudi Arabia be heads people for violating their local laws. We've never changed our relationship with them because of a I'm going to be heading in public which we would consider you know pretty awful the

doesn't matter who gets killed and what the consequences are, because this particular person was important to us because he was a you know, a Washington Post, a writer, but otherwise isn't it sort of a a family squabble in some way I mean do we have a national interest, so we should. I think I think, what's going got it, I think the the disappearance of a journalist right, I think, I think you bring up. I don't know if you want to bring up this contradiction here right for years. We've allowed Saudi Arabia to get away with this mistreatment of its own people or it's, quote: treatment of its people per their norms? In this case, we have a person who I believe, could speak English right here was a journalist who is exposing some of the issues within Saudi Arabia.

And it became so egregious that I think now it's con it. The contradictions are too much for us. So then it becomes an issue against cortical but western values. So, if it was a Saudi, is just a saudi Arabian who gets beheaded, for I don't know stealing and they cut off their arms or whatever we're fine. With that. But when it becomes someone who has in this case, I think the the egregious nature of this is a zionist of the journalist was actually reporting underground pissy. He was working for the post and he was actually a westerner in some ways. That's when I think It doesn't matter to us that, as a top representative of the Muslim Brotherhood, that if, if the show He got his way. There would be sure real law in the United States and everywhere else is. This is something we need to care about because it's not exact

like he was on our side. His is preferred world is that we, I assume women and LGBT Q would be suppressed if not discriminated against. If not, you know a form of slavery by western then there's not if you like, Sheria LAW, that everything is fine, I suppose, but. Should we see him as our ally? That's the question the reason that we don't care, if I shouldn't say, don't care. We don't respond Saudi Arabia. Does something to their own citizens of say, broke one of their local laws? Is it sort of our business, it's not like. For killing. Somebody who is our ally is not our citizen etc, and so he is not exactly on our team. So do we did we respond the same and damage our own national interests? Scott if you look at the show guy. From that perspective, I think what you're asking is the

there's this issue of him being a journalist right There's this one body of Nickel position you take, while he's a journalist, he's reporting forgot what he stands for. Reporting on as a journalist right. That's one position I think you're asking do. We kick, I believe, he's opinion writer. So it's more of a propaganda, kind of a thing. That is exactly reporting. If that matters. I see I didn't know that I didn't know that he was an opinion right there with the way the media everything I've been reading, as presented in as a journalist yeah. They use that word and yeah that feels misleading. Now, I'm not the expert on him, but I've read well, I think from so the reports. I've heard that he was a journalist. You know he was exposing the saudi arabian government of his particular ills, and

I do know some of the issues you brought up. So one one model is to look at him. As a free speech activist was doing journalism. That's the way the press is presented at least what I've seen and I think your argument is that it's not that it's basically he's someone who wants to essentially sustained some of the fundamentalist issues, and why are we participating in that? Let Saudi Arabia figured that out. Is that what you're saying Scott yeah it's just situations we love to be morally correct and set the standard yeah we like to we like to it's not even about telling the world how they need to be it's a it's as much about protecting. Phone brand. The way we treat the rest of the world is about our own Brandon We want to be the kind of country there. We ignore this alleged barbarism and of course we do but we also don't want to damage our just in the Middle EAST, we don't want to you, know economically damage people,

and I just wonder: where do you draw the line? Because the Middle EAST is abusing people every Of every day you know, including our allies, I mean: there's lots of people getting abused over there lot of people getting killed where it just seems like we should be Martin about where we draw the line yeah, it's interesting. You know I had an uncle. My uncle is a surgeon live in Saudi Arabia for many years, And you know it took him after you know, you went there for about twenty years to basically make money. You know from India. It a great place. You got paid a lot of money and he became of the leading surgeons there. But you know the bottom line was. He said you were living in a is a form of police state. But he was willing to put up with that to make money for his own. Needs whatever, but I think what you're pointing out is that entire system that's sort of the norm and now the race something and sort of rattled the bees nest. How does that help you s interest, I think that's fair.

Raining in question yeah. I don't. I don't really see people ask the question as starkly as I'm presenting it. So I feel like the public is not being served because it just needs to be laid on the plate? Yes, we'd like to yeah, I think I think you're bringing up this broader foreign policy question, which is, I think it is did. Are these countries doing extreme attacks of abusive behavior or something that's counter to our quotable value system, and why is it at on certain conditions? We go in and jump in, or So I can make an issue another times. We don't that's, really the more broader question and what yeah and so here's a suggestion would be just so. The sound tell me if it's crazy, suppose, response was together love our allies through simply close all of the Saudi Arabia embassies in their own countries for a month it just it just say we're just going quiet for a month, because it would send a really strong signal

It would be a little more appropriate to the crime because it was something that happened in embassy. You know maybe there's some appropriateness there, but but not selling them the product's that we want to sell feels like just shooting ourselves in the foot. Why are we punishing ourselves because we don't like with somebody else did it would just seem more more appropriate to make a really big statement and just close all This is for a month and say we're not even taking what I I think what you're saying it's got is that your court models interesting right, so if, for decades and decades and decades we've been supporting this regime and then when an incident like this occurs, why are we going to another? Extreme so Basically, the punishment should fit the crime. That's what I hear you saying yeah and if, if we truly care about Saudi Arabia's abuse, then there should be a much larger discussion that should be a formal you policy discussion that should be taking place. Do we want?

these countries. What is our value system, etc in that discussion is never taken place? As I know in american politics, it's one of those big issues, right you're dealing with a country which frankly lives in the tenth century, and we at a lot of issues that other countries not being democratic, but we never applied that same rule to Saudi Arabia, and here when an incident encourage them to go all out trying to make an issue out of it. So, yeah. That's a good point, another question of fentanyl. Stay- that, if you haven't heard this yet the reboot of Roseanne show called the Connors the way they explained, Roseanne's not being- on the show is that she died of an opioid overdose, which I appreciate that the show did that because, as you know, I lost myself at the steps on three weeks ago. I guess to an opioid over

and I'm looking at all the things that can be done about that. Is there a choke point for you? the one thing we should work on the hardest she'll be working on China to execute their they're, illegal fentanyl labs, because most of it comes from China, or should we just give it away for free in a controlled environment? So every every addict and give free drugs. You do go up, let me jump and say what I would do is. I would do a small test of in different cities of different ways to handle this and see which one works in six months will have a good idea What would you do it yeah? So I think again, I think, first of all, your solution of trying different tasks, because the whole fat, nothing, you know the whole area of opioids Is fundamentally it's a very complex systems problem right, you have the fact of. Why did you even develop them?

Because it was, it was missing a step and there is a new year bill and those things for certain levels of pain. You it morphine, and a certain group of doctors built this for a new category pain which was open territory. So there's the science that went into developing these kinds of drugs right now, the castle, the bags. So now now they exist. What do we do? so we have a volunteer. I can speak to this from a little bit of knowledge that I started to gather separate from my background, biology and addiction, etc. Understanding mechanics of it, we had a doctor on our who is a volunteer. Here's a guy, his name is doctor cash or he actually had a solution for this entire problem and his issue was that it is a complex problem. One is you can just take it away, but the reality is you have people who are addicted on these drugs,

so what he did was he found out that simply putting them on another drug simply sending them to rehab had a very high recidivism rate. So the solution he had was a program where he actually went into the homes. Any? It was a sort of a four part process. Well, first of all he got people off of it using a series of other drugs, so it essentially diminish the withdrawal symptoms and then he put lifestyle modification, but he got the family involved you. He realized that most of these problems is behavioral things that you have to involve the community in the family and he brought down the wrist or he brought down the recidivism rate to fifty percent. What ended up happening to him was a district attorney of Massachusetts. Thruman jail took away his medical license and destroyed, and there's a movie coming out and called hero in America. So what I'm saying is one solution? Is it's not just doing these sort of singular reductionist,

approaches to help people who are addicted. There is a solution which involves bringing in the community that family. So that's one piece. There are known solutions which have a better rate than just putting people on other types of opioids, the other. Solution, I think, is what you're talking about. Why not do this text where you restrict you know the illegal production in China or their ability to bring it in There is also you know, the whole aspect of uh I don't you know, people give this narcan stuff for opioids you're, familiar with that, yeah yeah. You know the narcan. I think it's about two thousand five hundred bucks a shot So you have this whole process at that itself has become a money making environment and that's another aspect. We should start looking at also, is that contributing to this, or is it actually alleviating the prom? But I like your idea of using a multiple approach, but I do know

in Massachusetts among two hundred and fifty thousand people where this was test not only masters across the country. There's is a lot of very powerful results. Are good results showing that you had significant reduction in recidivism but then what was the that working with the family of the the addict? this is the main dynamic that they changed yeah. So the main dynamic was this when it added gets up in the morning you know what a normal person gets up in the morning. They see the behavioral cues when they wake up their own as they think about their coffee pot, the smell of coffee, etcetera when an attic gets up there, all the behavioral cues in the home that they think about how they're going to get their fix. So I think it's called the Minnesota model said: take the attic out of the home and send them to rehab. Well, right when they got back on the plane, they were back literally on the airplane. Taking their drugs

The secondary model was it called the Philadelphia model which was given methadone, ok Well, now you put him from one drug to another drug. I mean the biology, the biological problems. With that you know it's a whole discussion, but it doesn't really help the person biologically So in the here the approaches in the home there enough behavioral cues that if you use the rehab model- and you put the person in the home, they still have the same. Behavioral cues got so you need to break those patterns in the hall. So So. That was a fundamental thing, because, if you can think about, our body is a system. It's got a lot of different muscle memory, neural memory that the cues are already there. So you have to break you. Have to cut those cute, how long I had the proposed lease to think about the idea of creating small re have cities. So, instead of a a re, have this just a building, you have a community, where you might have to live for two years to

The program, your habits, you would just be a whole new place where they can't get any drugs in its. You know that you got dogs everywhere. Would that work to just take something out of it? I think you gotta be careful with that right. That would work to the extent that the person was able to go back into the real world. That's why I think his shores model was an interesting model because he was doing sort of what you're talking about in a much more micro way in the whole because and the family the neighbors right. So in that model. If you did it for two years, would behavior you suggesting I'm just going to throw this out that if they were to addicts, They were each in their own home. They you could almost hear them by making them switch homes like if I'm saying those practical, but if you could just switch teenagers and say ok not whole new home and we're going to create all new habits of this new home I would work

what that may be getting more closer, but remember it's a familiar relationship, Scott that people have so I don't have if the new home well, the new home, hey work if they can build those bonds in those new association, we'll go back to their existing home being the neural network is set in their brain, right in a lot of ways a mind and body of these relationships as in systems theory, we take the interconnections that matter So if those interconnections are relationship, you have with your mom the relationship you have with your physical home, the food choices you make. This is an emergent property that comes from all those different connections. You have simply putting people in rehab, but not addressing those connections and getting the your parents in the family. The girlfriend the whatever right to be supportive, doesn't really address the issue. 'cause you're, still putting them back in the same petri dishes like taking you know

in particular organism out of its existing petri dish, putting it in a beautiful, clean, petri dish and then sticking sticking it back. It's the same genetics the epigenetics are going to turn on so the issue is you have to do the hard work of addressing it in the home he called at home detox, but if, but if the person never went back to their original home and they're all That's an interesting idea is an interesting, I think, is what you're saying is: you're, basically reprogramming them in a new home environment yeah. It's a I'm talking about a permanent change that that that would probably you know if you follow this logic through. Would probably change and there's a lot of epigenetic data to show that by the way is stored by the two mice and again, there's something you could so easily test. You just have to find two volunteers and find out if they are both better at them right right.

It turns out. We started talking about DNA and Gene Scott Scott. It turns off memory, told you that DNA is more malleable, they call it epigenetics, it's not just genetics So what you're talking about is we have within us a genetic framework that can be turned on and off and that role in addiction is only starting to be researched. But there's a lot of data. That's come out where you literally have people living in a certain environment of a certain, even genetics, and you remove them into a different environment. Different jeans get turned on several years ago. They took a linneage of mice which were angry. My sonal engage in mice which were very peaceful mice they took. From one of the angry mice and they had it start getting fed by. Would a peaceful mice in the question was how would that might be a? What do you think Imagine you go reprogrammed

You gotta reprogram. He got peaceful, but here's more interesting. How were the children of those pumps? Oh? Well, so I guess the anger will will go to the children right or, if that's what you would think, you would think it has. The jeans for angry gene, I put it with the peaceful Mason got reprogram. It turns out that the the children of that might also became peaceful. Why it turns out angry mice, never lick the years of their baby mouse pups, 'cause, they're, always freaked out in a stressful environment, that peaceful mice always lick the years of their pups, which turns on a set of molecular mechanisms that,

Basically allow turn on essentially gene which allows that mice to control this cortisol levels cortisol is controlling. Cortisol is extremely important for whether you're angry at me, split cetera, so turns out once said, gene is turned on that gene that turned on gene go through the germ cells and passed on to the mice. This is why this is so fascinating that what you're talking about is you can You know in some ways, I think to say Marx was right right, the notion of some of his ideas with the material conditions affect the person. So here the ecosystem, the complex ecosystem- it's not like the genes are just fixed in time. You can turn them on and off and they can be passed on so that was so fascinating by what you just said that if you remove that attic and you put him in a new home and you

They probably will probably turn off a lot of those addictive jeans. I mean I don't have the research, but there's enough data and epigenetics emerging. That shows that the genome is very, very malleable. I've heard, and maybe you can confirm that people who got addicted say in the Vietnam WAR, so they are heroin addicts you know when they were they were in. Service and they were actually in Vietnam, but the one came home? because their environment so completely changed. You know the difference between being in the jungle in Vietnam versus going home that they almost easily got off of drugs, because every single queue was that J, Have you heard that is everything I've heard? I would rather Heroin right. I've heard I've heard in fact, there's a whole. Area uh. We just published recently a paper in nature, neuroscience talking about the blood brain.

But, as we were doing that, researchers, a whole body of research which talks about the fact that there's a phenomenon called plasticity, and there neuroscience that the brain is they thought that the brain sort of ends its behavior around? You know twenty one years old, but it turns out that the brain is quite plastic, even as you get age, so you have the ability to learn a lot of new things, and that plasticity concept goes to what you just talked about under certain conditions. You know, Certain behaviors come up and you remove those from other conditions. The plasticity of the brain knows how to morph it's even this addictive model that you're talking about So it does sound like that. The secret for Alex is to get them out of their cues, and me, and my experience with my step son is, you know we tried the rehab, etc but every time we came back, he would need a social life.

Yeah- so that's that's the thing he needs a new life and I'm sorry by the way, my deep, condolence condolences to you and your family Scott. It's almost like. You need to change the os. It's like you can have whatever app is running in the application layer, but if the os you're plugging back that app into the same operating system is going to have the same bugs right now. You have to almost put it into a different operating system. You are talking about cortisol and that made me think of the chemical. We produce when we bond when we were in love the Oxytocin right yeah, it feels to Maine like Alex, it may not be getting enough oxytocin and they're trying to compensate with another what with whatever they can? Because if you don't have oxytocin, you just don't feel good, and- and you don't know why, yeah I mean look. I had a what would like to teach this class and I could get a student from the edge school? Who did this whole research on inner cities

and uh the dropout rates and you know one thing she found it was fascinating, was that there was a very low dropout rate, no matter how horrible the environment was among those people had a mentor, or at least one family member who gave them security in love. That it didn't require you to the state to come in and put DSS and all these operation. You just need to this one person who loved and cared enough for that person and that love and care gave that person. That comfort you know to make them out of it. Sort of Scott. We you and I were talking about remember when we were doing that diagram with security, etc. In many ways. If you look at the human womb, two things the womb provides it provides. Obviously the mother is loving and caring and make sure she's protecting it, but it provides nourishment and the safety and security in many ways that's sort of what love is providing that.

When that gets provided anything is insurmountable. I mean you talk to my parents, who came from nothing in India or people who came from horrible slum like conditions, but they have this family connection, then no matter, you know whatever there's rats running around or whatever horrible conditions that A deep sense of connection gives him this inner strength to make it through all sorts of things yeah that I I put it in chemical terms, which is the the whole sense of connection, creates a very specific chemical state, and if you don't have that you're going to you're going to look for something to make, you happy well, good, then I mean the mouse example started brings out. You know I have a book that I call system self and in that I talk about you know. The comp, complex ecosystems in the mouse case, you have the mother? Mice? You have the pop, but you also have the ecosystem in with that mouse. Let one

argue in in a environment where their scarcity, where there's violence, where there's problems the mouse, probably the mother, Moscow. I get stressed out and forgets to give love and in know this case with the mikes. In the other case, where there's peace and there's some sense of stability. The mice has time to care for the young and that's why literally genes get turned on and off so yeah. I think I think this is an interconnected problem in the human model. Again, I have limited limited experience, but when teams are getting addicted, it's like teens, are losing their connection with their mom and dad 'cause, they're too old and too cool, and they can't hang. And with mom and dad so whatever oxytocin they were going to get from being your and hugged by parents it goes away around fourteen, because the team rejects

and then they have to find another way to get it and if the way that they can get it is with people who are using, which is around here. Is everybody. There's your search for Oxy Towson will drive you to drugs, all other things being equal because you're not going to live without. I have what I call the pleasure unit theory that people people need a certain level of physical pleasure in their life or they'll. Just check out they'll just kill themselves will do something dangerous until they die. And that the people are not getting this basic level of oxytocin and connection pleasure in their life, I'm going to do any freaky. Thing they can to fill that gap, even if it might kill him was got this got it I mean, I think I think I make sure it with you. We have this technology that came out of my MIT work, called psi to solve where we can literally model at the molecular level these

what city these chemical reactions known as molecular pathways for any type of biological phenomena. As long as we can extract from the literature It would be fascinating. To literally look at this chemical process and you can set to conditions where you have different levels of oxytocin right. And how that turns on and turns out particular jeans, which results in, let's say, control of certain characteristics that we're talking about. It would be wrong. I'm not saying it's easy, but it's something we can actually at least get a handle on a model, and I think that would really give some perspective on what you're talking about. In theory, once you've got a got a handle on which chemical states are the most protective were the least you could measure everything you do and see if it contributes to or takes away from that chemical state definitely you are fascinating is always were coming toward the end of our our time. Is there a top? or anything you want to wrap up, and

I think the topic that we want to wrap up. Is you know if you look at nature and you look at human development or any development? I think the reason. I think your show is so fascinating. Scott. If you allow a diversity of ideas, you don't take a left or right and I think nature has always. If you can we view, nature is an engineer. Nature has really supports diversity right, meaning not diversity in name only, but the best things in nature or composite things. You look at a very strong things in nature is a composite and the integration of multiplicity of things, and What are we doing to our country- and this comes to the debate stage issue where you only let one choice, which is a two party system. What are we doing to the complexity of choices that would actually have an emergent property of more ideas

really great solutions, that's why you know we put out the slogan, call, let's see the debate, and if anyone wants to help, we have a debate on October nineteenth, which were being excluded October. Twenty first we're being exposed October thirtieth. We have a hearing coming up with the judge we may be allowed in there, but if anyone wants to support us on October nineteenth we're holding a huge rally in Boston, it's up on our twitter. Please come to it, and this is not about me, but it's really about you too, demanding that in America that we get the best, we have meritocracy and this true diversity of ideas and that the racism we need to fight Scott. So it's it's. It's almost in many ways for our survival or your survival. You know our strength as a people that we get true diversity of ideas, and I would put that in systems form, which is The goal would be to have you know the best laws in the best government, but the system to get there is very much like the system for invest.

You can't really. You can't really always pick the right stock by you can buy an index fund. You can diversify and hope that your diversification is the smart. Right now. Our Congress is not diversified in talent. They're very lawyer, lawyer oriented and you get a lot of lawyerly results. When I look at Rand Paul, well, whenever he talks about anything, I'm always struck by the same thing that he comes at every topic from a more let's say, scientific, rational. Yeah less dogmatic perspective why can't we have more people like that. Why? I think, what's happened to Scott? We have the mainstream media, but by the way they're not run by journalists anymore You don't have the quality of people that the american people deserve. So they are of century created a little oligarchy of I of ideas. Very, you know, homogeneous ideas, and yet this group creatures diversity

and I think we deserve this whole spectrum of ideas and that's what the opportunity is in our race in Massachusetts, you have one guy who We call mistake: Trumper Dirty deal the other woman who is a lawyer lobbyist who's, trying to convince everyone. She still a native of American and hears us out there with spending very little money, we've made her life hell. We brought up issues that people do not bring about in a very thoughtful way and that's what scares them and but it's a huge opportunity for us as Americans, to see someone like myself in the Senate, and I think people deserve that yeah. I would I would say my take on that is that Elizabeth Warren in the Senate gives you another one of what you already have thirty off, which is another act Then Mccloy are kind of a voice, but Bring somebody like you in the Senate takes a talent stack that would probably

greater than anybody in the sun right now? A number of different skills of the real life experience, the starting of companies, the I mean your your experiences of Bell five times as a broad, invalid and and on point for what the Congress needs to do so you're sort of like getting five good skills. Compared to Warren, who sort of just like the stuff they already have, So? If you looking look at it as an investment per se, it would be a no brainer, because you break you bring this occasion, even within yourself, with five different ten different talents, whatever you got there and the Congress just, more people like you, so I'm going to I'm going to leave it on that and, if you'd like to say bye to people yeah it's about everyone. If you want to learn more go to Shiba for Senate

and I look forward to being in the U S, Senate and and they're really making America great. Thank you all thanks. Thank you. Bye for now, all right back to me most interesting person. Whoever ran for office, love him or hate him he's got more education, more real life experience more ideas. You saw how much energy has tons of energy, so he is. He is a quite an interesting candidates and some if you're in must use, is given him a thought. All right did anybody have any comments about the places and people like that and yeah. I think I would

and that was I especially liked the idea of removing addicts from all of their their life cues and putting and the whole new world and then, as soon as you hear an idea like that, you know your mind starts trying to solve for it, and I was thinking and what what would virtual reality. Suppose you put somebody in a virtual reality world a few times a day, just took them out of their hand with their health. What, if you traded houses to to to to addicts with that help, so it it certainly makes me think all right. I'm gonna wrap it up here and I will talk to you all later.