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Episode 264 Scott Adams: Dr. Shiva – U.S. Senate Candidate Running Against Warren

2018-10-17 | 🔗


  • Dr. Shiva offers his thoughts on multiple topics
    • Elizabeth Warren’s DNA results
    • Dr. Shiva prevented from participating in debate
    • Khashoggi and the Middle East
    • How to address the Fentanyl (opioid) addiction epidemic
    • Diversity of ideas

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well welcome welcome no problem everybody come on in here we've got a very special coffee with scott adams soon as you get here will keep it up you're looking over my shoulder and you are probably seeing my special guest i'm going to introduce the moment we have our sip just before all right we got enough people so they were talking to doctor shiva are you doing who's independent candidate for us senate in massachusetts running against here's the fun part running against elizabeth or what better gas and what better day couldn't get any better than this and we'll talk about that a few of the topics like saudi arabia and the united and bowls and stuff like that all right but before we do that i would like to you
i'll let me see yes i do she will join me in the simultaneous up with the rest of you grab your jealous you marks your glasses your containers but something in there like coffee and join me for the simultaneous that's a good way to start doctor shiva tell us what you think about elizabeth warren's dna test tell it and i should mention it to the people who are not familiar with you that you have several advanced degrees that are relevant to this question you've got a medical three let's say that little list here of your needs agrees you're you've got
you've got a i might see it b s m as a i'm engineer phd you've you've if you've got the credentials of systems biology computer science scientific visualization traditional medicine and that should give us cover for this dna other discussions so tell me what you thought of the whole dna thing with elizabeth warren what was your take on well you know the boston globe called me you know who's completely in bed with elizabeth warren trying to resuscitate her image and they asked me for a quote i said well that the results showed that she's a bigger fake indian than we ever thought she's ninety nine point ninety nine percent white that's what the results show and if you look at any percentage scott that she has any native american jeans let's say here in the america is not in south america columbia crew in
it turns out if you add the error that into that which is hang out a lot of this is based on statistics which we'll talk when we get to polls you basically have probably she's close to one hundred percent you know ninety nine point nine nine if you do the significant figures to two significant figures so i thought it was fascinating was what would it be fair to say that she might she might have a trace amount that is that fair discount yeah yeah definitely yeah from a statistical standpoint she may have a few base pairs uhm you know it's like if you think about the genome as a huge document with billions of characters there may be a few characters in there which have native american origin now i have to ask you a weird question i saw a news and i forget what the context was but isn't something to the fact that women carry around some of the some
the dna from their sex partners from the past is that a thing or is it not the dna that you're carrying around some component of that part of that you're talking about from their actual partners right permanently from their partner released permanently it becomes detectable in that is that a thing yeah so here's the interesting thing up there so in two thousand and three scott when the genome project ended we found out some very fascinating things about dna it was initially thought it was a uni directional process right you have your dna and it's especially cemented it cemented which means nothing changes what two thousand and three showed was when we found out we have about the same number of jeans worm that dna itself is malleable
you can add things into dna for example from what you're saying from it coming from sex partners you can actually get it from viruses in fact the environment can turn on and turn off jeans so insertions into the genome can take place but you can also have certain jeans be acceptable and uh accessible so the genome is far more malleable than we ever thought so but but will there ever be a case where somebody did a dna test and what was detected with something from a partner so i'm saying another case you're talking about where it there's a piece is a double stranded dna which hop from a partner in that one that could happen it could also have couldn't from a virus coming it right we can viruses also delivering mechanism but yes it's possible
alright i just wondered about that and so does this seem like to you like the worst political mistake that you could remember for her to do this to do this video better dna and i thought what went wrong is that although we could argue that both well she's called academic usually right that's one of the things people talk the people could say that in the use you seem to be a completely different personality more practical but i think she branded herself as sort of an ineffective academic through
this exercise is that what you got out of it yeah i didn't bring up an important point looks guy if you look at my degrees in my background spending it engineering right electrical engineering mechanical engineering design and biological engineering at the difference between an engineer or a political scientist is a fundamental difference or a lawyer or lobbyists the problem with pure science and pure lawyers they are paid to manipulate data
write a lawyer can completely capacity his job is to convince the jury that no matter if the data is against his client somehow that everything is ok so there about taking the zero point zero zero one percent and trying to convince people that your native american in science you can get gather a bunch of data plotted and then you're fitting align to occur and that can be manipulated in engineering the fundamental differences we can't manipulate 'cause if you build a piece of software or you build an airplane and it falls out of the sky it's pretty clear whether your stuff works or not right now in the case of a little bit more and i can tell you why all of this occured which is really not come out of the media and it with all the respect we're not getting our fair credit for what our campaign did because off the ground scott was trying to bring up a couple of photographs here are people have literally
day and night putting up tons and tons of these signs which you may see everywhere are volunteers i don't know if you can see that passes picture of only the real indian can defeat the fake indian four by eight signs all over massachusetts this is on a highway here you can see there scott wow this is on peoples homes and this is this incredible work by our volunteers which has been happening for about a year is what forced the boston globe to write this you know treat as saying elizabeth warren did not get into harvard because of her native american heritage is complete nonsense again the globe is the one who did this because there in a very close relationship with warm
and when that failed worn was forced to take this dna test and i believe she probably took this dna test got the one we sent her it lightly failed and so then she went hunting for this guy carlos boost amante who then threw in colombian peruvian other jeans essentially gene snips it's like you're doing a google search instead of using cat you try to use dog and you try to find something that's a for like a creature in there and that's it that's essentially what just took place so elizabeth warren even doing this a mistake she made scott which was a significant mistake was out of the desperation of the fact that the real indian fake indian mean has gone out into the broad mass of people in massachusetts that's what compelled her to make and the globe to make these mistakes well this got hilarious but i understand you're also being prevented from debating
this is the way they calculate who's who's who candidate who can you can you make that in its simplest form when what math did they do that kept you off the debate stage and how do they do it right or wrong yeah the first mascot before the polls even even the simpler math is this s they're three candidates who got on the ballot and only two are allowed on the debate stage in two thousand and fourteen five candidates in the governor's race were allowed on the debate stage three independence and a democrat and republican all of them only have to get ten thousand signatures we fulfill that we got twenty thousand signatures so just on that alone on fairness you know i think the debate stage can handle too you know two people or three people now what
debate people can do by the way these are federal and state laws which have been put into place to people like you and i can run and follow the rules will be followed all the rules but then they start introducing the same called polls and in the poll scott they can introduce criteria that you must achieve in a poll this level of head to head comparison to be on the debate stage so after we filed the lawsuit four a dot of the day the judge decided to hear us they said she must get ten percent or more in the head to head head to head a comparison and the umass pole which is university of massachusetts who are suing they said i'm at nine percent so that's what it is that now let's talk about how the county okay so when they got the nine percent they pulled the not just likely voters right
no so the umass poll included two groups they did one whole among likely voters and one poll among all registered voters so we at nine percent among the registered voters all registered voters an eight percent among likely voters ok so put it simply let me tell you what we discovered you know took an mit phd in an mit professor to figure this out is that i think wherever they've been making a fundamental error purposely in polls which favors really incumbents and the existing two party system and let me explain it this way remember the hotdog example gave you scott maybe that helps ok ok i got a pool of a hundred people that i'm going to pull
and let's say i put this right away on my twitter and people i asked you for the okay got a hundred people that you're going to call to find out who likes by some most centers in india we treat our hot dogs right and head to head but among those hundred people only fifty people have ever tasted a samosa but all one hundred people have tasted the hamburger okay hamburger and samosa now you do the head to head and you ask people do you like a similar do you like a hamburger fifty people say they love the samosa and fifty people say they love the hamburger what is the head to head favorability that's the question well the pollsters have always been dividing by one hundred that means they say fifty over a hundred is you know one hundred and fifty percent of the people like the samosa and fifty percent of the people like the hamburger right well here's the problem
among those hundred people fifty people have never tasted the samosa ever so is the intention of the law to measure desirability voters or to measure awareness among voters they they even heard of your name so what are they trying to measure they call it the ballot test it's to measure if you went into the boot who would you vote for ok so they have been reporting the fifty percent on the so most the fifty percent on the hamburger when it should be really if fifty people among those hundred are the only ones i've ever tasted that means one hundred percent of the people with fifty percent visibility like the samosa and fifty percent of the people like the hamburger so the bottom line is if you take an incumbent candidate and one of the two party candidates the denominator in that is going to match the actual visibility right but when you have a new candidate coming
who doesn't have as much visibility essentially have to spend a lot more than denominators going to be far bigger because there's an indeterminate set of people who've never in fact experience that candidate so what do you do in a taste test but what do you do with food what you have a taste test and that's what it debate is scott a debate is akin to a taste test so what they want to deny the american people is the taste test where you get to see the candidate and then you get to the pole so they do these polls and they rig it so you can never allow people on the debate stage so it's almost saying you have to score this much and then i'm going to let you do the taste test i would imagine that you visibility would increase tremendous if you're on oh yeah that's why they don't bother debate state scott not only would it increase visibility but people would see this distinct difference
between a different standard a person who works for a living solve problems has a history of solving problems actually have to solve real problems you know building airplanes and building software versus someone who manipulates things that's what elizabeth warren were seeing this dynamic of lawyer lobbyists who can take zero point zero one percent and try to still convinced with the media that she still in native american it's absurd no different than saying that the sun revolves around the earth or the earth is flat that's what lawyers and lobbyists do they don't have to pay attention the fact or career politicians well when you're running well at least at least if elizabeth warren's on this stage they have one person of color what verse of what one person of color just kidding yeah one person of color in this case you know we put out this meme and it we should discuss racism here because
whites only shiva not allowed and when i say that scott it's a deeper discussion about race for far too long in this country the last for the democrats unbounded race into don't use the n word don't put up the confederate flag change the name of the building ceremonial things on the right and the republican take don't talk about racism but there is racism in this country and its racism today in twenty eighteen about excluding diversity of ideas i call it dark matter in massachusetts sixty percent of the voters you're nearing sixty are dark matter independence they're not affiliated with democrats or republicans that's only forty percent so they don't want the dark matter of ideas someone like me will talk about how the postal service can be a framework for free speech why monsanto has no safety assessment standards they don't want that diversity of ideas so that's what that's the new form of racism it goes beyond skin color well
diversity in general diversity of thought diversity of ideas so let's let's change topic here but i have to ask you about saudi arabia yeah so the latest news is and i'm not really good at pronouncing the the name here just so pitch i'm talking about so the latest news is that the team of people who went in there are closely connected with the crown prince of saudi arabia no we didn't know how well how connected they were but now it's currently members of his actual security team allegedly were in the the murder group what do you think we should do with this what do you think the united states what do you think our response should be well you know i'm uh you may have been staying have been re tweeting with rand paul and posting on this
being in the senate i would essentially build a coalition with rand paul on this issue i think is right on target there is no reason which i think we should he's put a bill in congress to cut the arms deals to saudi arabia saudi arabia when you look at the entire world cultural basis of saudi arabia they support radical islamic fundamentalism they were essentially the you know by many reports the core area of where a lot of the terrorist from nine hundred and eleven came in many ways they have nothing in common with the values of this country stands for this for years we know the saudi arabia be heads people for violating their local laws we've never changed our relationship with them because of a i'm going to be heading in public which we would consider you know pretty awful the
doesn't matter who gets killed and what the consequences are because this particular person was important to us because he was a you know a washington post a writer but otherwise isn't it sort of a a family squabble in some way i mean do we have a national interest so we should i think i think what's going got it i think the the disappearance of a journalist right i think i think you bring up i don't know if you want to bring up this contradiction here right for years we've allowed saudi arabia to get away with this mistreatment of its own people or it's quote treatment of its people per their norms in this case we have a person who i believe could speak english right here was a journalist who is exposing some of the issues within saudi arabia
and it became so egregious that i think now it's con it the contradictions are too much for us so then it becomes an issue against cortical but western values so if it was a saudi is just a saudi arabian who gets beheaded for i don't know stealing and they cut off their arms or whatever we're fine with that but when it becomes someone who has in this case i think the the egregious nature of this is a zionist of the journalist was actually reporting underground pissy he was working for the post and he was actually a westerner in some ways that's when i think it doesn't matter to us that as a top representative of the muslim brotherhood that if if the show he got his way there would be sure real law in the united states and everywhere else is this is something we need to care about because it's not exact
like he was on our side his is preferred world is that we i assume women and lgbt q would be suppressed if not discriminated against if not you know a form of slavery by western then there's not if you like sheria law that everything is fine i suppose but should we see him as our ally that's the question the reason that we don't care if i shouldn't say don't care we don't respond saudi arabia does something to their own citizens of say broke one of their local laws is it sort of our business it's not like for killing somebody who is our ally is not our citizen etc and so he is not exactly on our team so do we did we respond the same and damage our own national interests scott if you look at the show guy from that perspective i think what you're asking is the
there's this issue of him being a journalist right there's this one body of nickel position you take while he's a journalist he's reporting forgot what he stands for reporting on as a journalist right that's one position i think you're asking do we kick i believe he's opinion writer so it's more of a propaganda kind of a thing that is exactly reporting if that matters i see i didn't know that i didn't know that he was an opinion right there with the way the media everything i've been reading as presented in as a journalist yeah they use that word and yeah that feels misleading now i'm not the expert on him but i've read well i think from so the reports i've heard that he was a journalist you know he was exposing the saudi arabian government of his particular ills and
i do know some of the issues you brought up so one one model is to look at him as a free speech activist was doing journalism that's the way the press is presented at least what i've seen and i think your argument is that it's not that it's basically he's someone who wants to essentially sustained some of the fundamentalist issues and why are we participating in that let saudi arabia figured that out is that what you're saying scott yeah it's just situations we love to be morally correct and set the standard yeah we like to we like to it's not even about telling the world how they need to be it's a it's as much about protecting phone brand the way we treat the rest of the world is about our own brandon we want to be the kind of country there we ignore this alleged barbarism and of course we do but we also don't want to damage our just in the middle east we don't want to you know economically damage people
and i just wonder where do you draw the line because the middle east is abusing people every of every day you know including our allies i mean there's lots of people getting abused over there lot of people getting killed where it just seems like we should be martin about where we draw the line yeah it's interesting you know i had an uncle my uncle is a surgeon live in saudi arabia for many years and you know it took him after you know you went there for about twenty years to basically make money you know from india it a great place you got paid a lot of money and he became of the leading surgeons there but you know the bottom line was he said you were living in a is a form of police state but he was willing to put up with that to make money for his own needs whatever but i think what you're pointing out is that entire system that's sort of the norm and now the race something and sort of rattled the bees nest how does that help you s interest i think that's fair
raining in question yeah i don't i don't really see people ask the question as starkly as i'm presenting it so i feel like the public is not being served because it just needs to be laid on the plate yes we'd like to yeah i think i think you're bringing up this broader foreign policy question which is i think it is did are these countries doing extreme attacks of abusive behavior or something that's counter to our quotable value system and why is it at on certain conditions we go in and jump in or so i can make an issue another times we don't that's really the more broader question and what yeah and so here's a suggestion would be just so the sound tell me if it's crazy suppose response was together love our allies through simply close all of the saudi arabia embassies in their own countries for a month it just it just say we're just going quiet for a month because it would send a really strong signal
it would be a little more appropriate to the crime because it was something that happened in embassy you know maybe there's some appropriateness there but but not selling them the product's that we want to sell feels like just shooting ourselves in the foot why are we punishing ourselves because we don't like with somebody else did it would just seem more more appropriate to make a really big statement and just close all this is for a month and say we're not even taking what i i think what you're saying it's got is that your court models interesting right so if for decades and decades and decades we've been supporting this regime and then when an incident like this occurs why are we going to another extreme so basically the punishment should fit the crime that's what i hear you saying yeah and if if we truly care about saudi arabia's abuse then there should be a much larger discussion that should be a formal you policy discussion that should be taking place do we want
these countries what is our value system etc in that discussion is never taken place as i know in american politics it's one of those big issues right you're dealing with a country which frankly lives in the tenth century and we at a lot of issues that other countries not being democratic but we never applied that same rule to saudi arabia and here when an incident encourage them to go all out trying to make an issue out of it so yeah that's a good point another question of fentanyl stay that if you haven't heard this yet the reboot of roseanne show called the connors the way they explained roseanne's not being on the show is that she died of an opioid overdose which i appreciate that the show did that because as you know i lost myself at the steps on three weeks ago i guess to an opioid over
and i'm looking at all the things that can be done about that is there a choke point for you the one thing we should work on the hardest she'll be working on china to execute their they're illegal fentanyl labs because most of it comes from china or should we just give it away for free in a controlled environment so every every addict and give free drugs you do go up let me jump and say what i would do is i would do a small test of in different cities of different ways to handle this and see which one works in six months will have a good idea what would you do it yeah so i think again i think first of all your solution of trying different tasks because the whole fat nothing you know the whole area of opioids is fundamentally it's a very complex systems problem right you have the fact of why did you even develop them
because it was it was missing a step and there is a new year bill and those things for certain levels of pain you it morphine and a certain group of doctors built this for a new category pain which was open territory so there's the science that went into developing these kinds of drugs right now the castle the bags so now now they exist what do we do so we have a volunteer i can speak to this from a little bit of knowledge that i started to gather separate from my background biology and addiction etc understanding mechanics of it we had a doctor on our who is a volunteer here's a guy his name is doctor cash or he actually had a solution for this entire problem and his issue was that it is a complex problem one is you can just take it away but the reality is you have people who are addicted on these drugs
so what he did was he found out that simply putting them on another drug simply sending them to rehab had a very high recidivism rate so the solution he had was a program where he actually went into the homes any it was a sort of a four part process well first of all he got people off of it using a series of other drugs so it essentially diminish the withdrawal symptoms and then he put lifestyle modification but he got the family involved you he realized that most of these problems is behavioral things that you have to involve the community in the family and he brought down the wrist or he brought down the recidivism rate to fifty percent what ended up happening to him was a district attorney of massachusetts thruman jail took away his medical license and destroyed and there's a movie coming out and called hero in america so what i'm saying is one solution is it's not just doing these sort of singular reductionist
approaches to help people who are addicted there is a solution which involves bringing in the community that family so that's one piece there are known solutions which have a better rate than just putting people on other types of opioids the other solution i think is what you're talking about why not do this text where you restrict you know the illegal production in china or their ability to bring it in there is also you know the whole aspect of uh i don't you know people give this narcan stuff for opioids you're familiar with that yeah yeah you know the narcan i think it's about two thousand five hundred bucks a shot so you have this whole process at that itself has become a money making environment and that's another aspect we should start looking at also is that contributing to this or is it actually alleviating the prom but i like your idea of using a multiple approach but i do know
in massachusetts among two hundred and fifty thousand people where this was test not only masters across the country there's is a lot of very powerful results are good results showing that you had significant reduction in recidivism but then what was the that working with the family of the the addict this is the main dynamic that they changed yeah so the main dynamic was this when it added gets up in the morning you know what a normal person gets up in the morning they see the behavioral cues when they wake up their own as they think about their coffee pot the smell of coffee etcetera when an attic gets up there all the behavioral cues in the home that they think about how they're going to get their fix so i think it's called the minnesota model said take the attic out of the home and send them to rehab well right when they got back on the plane they were back literally on the airplane taking their drugs
the secondary model was it called the philadelphia model which was given methadone ok well now you put him from one drug to another drug i mean the biology the biological problems with that you know it's a whole discussion but it doesn't really help the person biologically so in the here the approaches in the home there enough behavioral cues that if you use the rehab model and you put the person in the home they still have the same behavioral cues got so you need to break those patterns in the hall so so that was a fundamental thing because if you can think about our body is a system it's got a lot of different muscle memory neural memory that the cues are already there so you have to break you have to cut those cute how long i had the proposed lease to think about the idea of creating small re have cities so instead of a a re have this just a building you have a community where you might have to live for two years to
the program your habits you would just be a whole new place where they can't get any drugs in its you know that you got dogs everywhere would that work to just take something out of it i think you gotta be careful with that right that would work to the extent that the person was able to go back into the real world that's why i think his shores model was an interesting model because he was doing sort of what you're talking about in a much more micro way in the whole because and the family the neighbors right so in that model if you did it for two years would behavior you suggesting i'm just going to throw this out that if they were to addicts they were each in their own home they you could almost hear them by making them switch homes like if i'm saying those practical but if you could just switch teenagers and say ok not whole new home and we're going to create all new habits of this new home i would work
what that may be getting more closer but remember it's a familiar relationship scott that people have so i don't have if the new home well the new home hey work if they can build those bonds in those new association we'll go back to their existing home being the neural network is set in their brain right in a lot of ways a mind and body of these relationships as in systems theory we take the interconnections that matter so if those interconnections are relationship you have with your mom the relationship you have with your physical home the food choices you make this is an emergent property that comes from all those different connections you have simply putting people in rehab but not addressing those connections and getting the your parents in the family the girlfriend the whatever right to be supportive doesn't really address the issue 'cause you're still putting them back in the same petri dishes like taking you know
in particular organism out of its existing petri dish putting it in a beautiful clean petri dish and then sticking sticking it back it's the same genetics the epigenetics are going to turn on so the issue is you have to do the hard work of addressing it in the home he called at home detox but if but if the person never went back to their original home and they're all that's an interesting idea is an interesting i think is what you're saying is you're basically reprogramming them in a new home environment yeah it's a i'm talking about a permanent change that that that would probably you know if you follow this logic through would probably change and there's a lot of epigenetic data to show that by the way is stored by the two mice and again there's something you could so easily test you just have to find two volunteers and find out if they are both better at them right right
it turns out we started talking about dna and gene scott scott it turns off memory told you that dna is more malleable they call it epigenetics it's not just genetics so what you're talking about is we have within us a genetic framework that can be turned on and off and that role in addiction is only starting to be researched but there's a lot of data that's come out where you literally have people living in a certain environment of a certain even genetics and you remove them into a different environment different jeans get turned on several years ago they took a linneage of mice which were angry my sonal engage in mice which were very peaceful mice they took from one of the angry mice and they had it start getting fed by would a peaceful mice in the question was how would that might be a what do you think imagine you go reprogrammed
you gotta reprogram he got peaceful but here's more interesting how were the children of those pumps oh well so i guess the anger will will go to the children right or if that's what you would think you would think it has the jeans for angry gene i put it with the peaceful mason got reprogram it turns out that the the children of that might also became peaceful why it turns out angry mice never lick the years of their baby mouse pups 'cause they're always freaked out in a stressful environment that peaceful mice always lick the years of their pups which turns on a set of molecular mechanisms that
basically allow turn on essentially gene which allows that mice to control this cortisol levels cortisol is controlling cortisol is extremely important for whether you're angry at me split cetera so turns out once said gene is turned on that gene that turned on gene go through the germ cells and passed on to the mice this is why this is so fascinating that what you're talking about is you can you know in some ways i think to say marx was right right the notion of some of his ideas with the material conditions affect the person so here the ecosystem the complex ecosystem it's not like the genes are just fixed in time you can turn them on and off and they can be passed on so that was so fascinating by what you just said that if you remove that attic and you put him in a new home and you
they probably will probably turn off a lot of those addictive jeans i mean i don't have the research but there's enough data and epigenetics emerging that shows that the genome is very very malleable i've heard and maybe you can confirm that people who got addicted say in the vietnam war so they are heroin addicts you know when they were they were in service and they were actually in vietnam but the one came home because their environment so completely changed you know the difference between being in the jungle in vietnam versus going home that they almost easily got off of drugs because every single queue was that j have you heard that is everything i've heard i would rather heroin right i've heard i've heard in fact there's a whole area uh we just published recently a paper in nature neuroscience talking about the blood brain
but as we were doing that researchers a whole body of research which talks about the fact that there's a phenomenon called plasticity and there neuroscience that the brain is they thought that the brain sort of ends its behavior around you know twenty one years old but it turns out that the brain is quite plastic even as you get age so you have the ability to learn a lot of new things and that plasticity concept goes to what you just talked about under certain conditions you know certain behaviors come up and you remove those from other conditions the plasticity of the brain knows how to morph it's even this addictive model that you're talking about so it does sound like that the secret for alex is to get them out of their cues and me and my experience with my step son is you know we tried the rehab etc but every time we came back he would need a social life
yeah so that's that's the thing he needs a new life and i'm sorry by the way my deep condolence condolences to you and your family scott it's almost like you need to change the os it's like you can have whatever app is running in the application layer but if the os you're plugging back that app into the same operating system is going to have the same bugs right now you have to almost put it into a different operating system you are talking about cortisol and that made me think of the chemical we produce when we bond when we were in love the oxytocin right yeah it feels to maine like alex it may not be getting enough oxytocin and they're trying to compensate with another what with whatever they can because if you don't have oxytocin you just don't feel good and and you don't know why yeah i mean look i had a what would like to teach this class and i could get a student from the edge school who did this whole research on inner cities
and uh the dropout rates and you know one thing she found it was fascinating was that there was a very low dropout rate no matter how horrible the environment was among those people had a mentor or at least one family member who gave them security in love that it didn't require you to the state to come in and put dss and all these operation you just need to this one person who loved and cared enough for that person and that love and care gave that person that comfort you know to make them out of it sort of scott we you and i were talking about remember when we were doing that diagram with security etc in many ways if you look at the human womb two things the womb provides it provides obviously the mother is loving and caring and make sure she's protecting it but it provides nourishment and the safety and security in many ways that's sort of what love is providing that
when that gets provided anything is insurmountable i mean you talk to my parents who came from nothing in india or people who came from horrible slum like conditions but they have this family connection then no matter you know whatever there's rats running around or whatever horrible conditions that a deep sense of connection gives him this inner strength to make it through all sorts of things yeah that i i put it in chemical terms which is the the whole sense of connection creates a very specific chemical state and if you don't have that you're going to you're going to look for something to make you happy well good then i mean the mouse example started brings out you know i have a book that i call system self and in that i talk about you know the comp complex ecosystems in the mouse case you have the mother mice you have the pop but you also have the ecosystem in with that mouse let one
argue in in a environment where their scarcity where there's violence where there's problems the mouse probably the mother moscow i get stressed out and forgets to give love and in know this case with the mikes in the other case where there's peace and there's some sense of stability the mice has time to care for the young and that's why literally genes get turned on and off so yeah i think i think this is an interconnected problem in the human model again i have limited limited experience but when teams are getting addicted it's like teens are losing their connection with their mom and dad 'cause they're too old and too cool and they can't hang and with mom and dad so whatever oxytocin they were going to get from being your and hugged by parents it goes away around fourteen because the team rejects
and then they have to find another way to get it and if the way that they can get it is with people who are using which is around here is everybody there's your search for oxy towson will drive you to drugs all other things being equal because you're not going to live without i have what i call the pleasure unit theory that people people need a certain level of physical pleasure in their life or they'll just check out they'll just kill themselves will do something dangerous until they die and that the people are not getting this basic level of oxytocin and connection pleasure in their life i'm going to do any freaky thing they can to fill that gap even if it might kill him was got this got it i mean i think i think i make sure it with you we have this technology that came out of my mit work called psi to solve where we can literally model at the molecular level these
what city these chemical reactions known as molecular pathways for any type of biological phenomena as long as we can extract from the literature it would be fascinating to literally look at this chemical process and you can set to conditions where you have different levels of oxytocin right and how that turns on and turns out particular jeans which results in let's say control of certain characteristics that we're talking about it would be wrong i'm not saying it's easy but it's something we can actually at least get a handle on a model and i think that would really give some perspective on what you're talking about in theory once you've got a got a handle on which chemical states are the most protective were the least you could measure everything you do and see if it contributes to or takes away from that chemical state definitely you are fascinating is always were coming toward the end of our our time is there a top or anything you want to wrap up and
i think the topic that we want to wrap up is you know if you look at nature and you look at human development or any development i think the reason i think your show is so fascinating scott if you allow a diversity of ideas you don't take a left or right and i think nature has always if you can we view nature is an engineer nature has really supports diversity right meaning not diversity in name only but the best things in nature or composite things you look at a very strong things in nature is a composite and the integration of multiplicity of things and what are we doing to our country and this comes to the debate stage issue where you only let one choice which is a two party system what are we doing to the complexity of choices that would actually have an emergent property of more ideas
really great solutions that's why you know we put out the slogan call let's see the debate and if anyone wants to help we have a debate on october nineteenth which were being excluded october twenty first we're being exposed october thirtieth we have a hearing coming up with the judge we may be allowed in there but if anyone wants to support us on october nineteenth we're holding a huge rally in boston it's up on our twitter please come to it and this is not about me but it's really about you too demanding that in america that we get the best we have meritocracy and this true diversity of ideas and that the racism we need to fight scott so it's it's it's almost in many ways for our survival or your survival you know our strength as a people that we get true diversity of ideas and i would put that in systems form which is the goal would be to have you know the best laws in the best government but the system to get there is very much like the system for invest
you can't really you can't really always pick the right stock by you can buy an index fund you can diversify and hope that your diversification is the smart right now our congress is not diversified in talent they're very lawyer lawyer oriented and you get a lot of lawyerly results when i look at rand paul well whenever he talks about anything i'm always struck by the same thing that he comes at every topic from a more let's say scientific rational yeah less dogmatic perspective why can't we have more people like that why i think what's happened to scott we have the mainstream media but by the way they're not run by journalists anymore you don't have the quality of people that the american people deserve so they are of century created a little oligarchy of i of ideas very you know homogeneous ideas and yet this group creatures diversity
and i think we deserve this whole spectrum of ideas and that's what the opportunity is in our race in massachusetts you have one guy who we call mistake trumper dirty deal the other woman who is a lawyer lobbyist who's trying to convince everyone she still a native of american and hears us out there with spending very little money we've made her life hell we brought up issues that people do not bring about in a very thoughtful way and that's what scares them and but it's a huge opportunity for us as americans to see someone like myself in the senate and i think people deserve that yeah i would i would say my take on that is that elizabeth warren in the senate gives you another one of what you already have thirty off which is another act then mccloy are kind of a voice but bring somebody like you in the senate takes a talent stack that would probably
greater than anybody in the sun right now a number of different skills of the real life experience the starting of companies the i mean your your experiences of bell five times as a broad invalid and and on point for what the congress needs to do so you're sort of like getting five good skills compared to warren who sort of just like the stuff they already have so if you looking look at it as an investment per se it would be a no brainer because you break you bring this occasion even within yourself with five different ten different talents whatever you got there and the congress just more people like you so i'm going to i'm going to leave it on that and if you'd like to say bye to people yeah it's about everyone if you want to learn more go to shiba for senate
and i look forward to being in the u s senate and and they're really making america great thank you all thanks thank you bye for now all right back to me most interesting person whoever ran for office love him or hate him he's got more education more real life experience more ideas you saw how much energy has tons of energy so he is he is a quite an interesting candidates and some if you're in must use is given him a thought all right did anybody have any comments about the places and people like that and yeah i think i would
and that was i especially liked the idea of removing addicts from all of their their life cues and putting and the whole new world and then as soon as you hear an idea like that you know your mind starts trying to solve for it and i was thinking and what what would virtual reality suppose you put somebody in a virtual reality world a few times a day just took them out of their hand with their health what if you traded houses to to to to addicts with that help so it it certainly makes me think all right i'm gonna wrap it up here and i will talk to you all later
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