Seriously were lie right now. People come in and hello, everybody Good morning we have a very special. Have you got items this morning, I'll tell you in a moment after our simultaneous up, come on in here, everybody Beth, hey Hugh, they mark. your own time, and now you know what time it is. This time, because he's got at an end. I'm going to introduce our special gas from morning. Britain Darby an expert on all things, the border with Mexico

and what do the fuller introduction in a moment, but I won't let them join us for the simultaneous up. So please, if you're prepared, grab your mug, your glass, you got your style here. Tankard you're jealous fill it when you ve ever liquid. I like coffee and join me for the simultaneous I Brandon dirty. Can you Can you tell us your current job and background so people who are not familiar with you know the context. Your remarks.

we're very separated from my box political covers other also run right marks cartel chronicles project, so several regions along the border in Mexico, journalistic heels, writing about cartels. So what we do is we allow them to write, understood in Avonlea, publish their writings about cartels and corruption in english and Spanish. So that's what I do serve. It puts me travelling the border about a third of every month, both sides of the border for the last seven years, so I did a provocative tweet this morning I wanna get your affection. He had an ice because the cartels so much of the territory on the mexican side of the border. Another where's, either armed people who essentially control that territory when work the border wall. Would it

fair to say that we are building a wall between the- U S and Mexico or rebuilding war between the- U S and the drug cartels, because they actually on the land that we would dividing between them and us. How close the true is that it was pretty class. I think I think that their first ass, no one is really proposing a wall with sources between all of Mexico and although the United States is roughly two thousand miles of border, proposing about a thousand Of areas the regions where those are being focused upon are areas that are heavily control by cartels. It doesn't mean the cartels control before they do control portions of the border region there right.

so the border region, being the U S side and then the next it inside proposing the entire border region. I think what you said is largely through its largely trees in others. Yes, someone, Cassandra Border Safe, that's an after! Some of you said the borders are saved us accurate somebody say: cartels control the border, that's mostly true universe, nuance in among there's a lot of room for new us in a lot of you, a lot of differences between groups censure. So so let me just boil up, I take it out on the level so as if I were, the border from them exit. Outside and I on a river. So now the portion of the border? This a river. What are the odds that

I mean cartel control doing well, ok, so so their taxes border is about twelve hundred miles of the almost two thousand, my boy, the Texas border, has the Rio Grande. Sovereignty is a river such places, us it's pretty powerful, so places its gets a stream. This does maybe ten feet across in storage is deep. It just means what we're talking about. Most of them really dad cartels and I seek out in the sense that date, downloader children was they allow the violence to still over into the average person. Most of those groups are south of the rivers of herself with taxes. If we were to get a result, California most have been executed. Does those transnational criminal groups tend to allow their violence to spill over, for instance, in Tirana right now they have the highest murderous of all makes ago, but the vast majority of the people affected are drug dealers are drug smugglers

Ursus. Now, if you were to go to windows of Mexico South in the catalan taxes, the murder writes about half of g orders. However, most of the people murdered are innocent people. Tourists, business leaders over, have you never journalists. Politicians are where have you so so, even though the violence is higher in Tijuana, it's actually much more dangerous for the average person in rainbow some red soaps and most of the problems of a really happy with with cartels trying to control migration. That's happening south of Texas, where there's a way Now some people say that walls and border security doesn't work because of tunnels and you're, probably not to see the tunnels wherever there's river

there are other places with where you are likely to see tunnels and leader likely not do so. This is interesting. Their arsenals generally happy tunnels, you're looking in California and the recent you're looking about one tunnel under the river ass so many years ago, it was discovered that wasn't a very good time over the actual time concern those things happen where there's when there's a law already right. So you look in a city centre right when you have an urban area, the next next to an urban area, the United States, where there is already a laudable and that's when we seek Usually get discovered tree weekly due to human intelligence on reform programmes of the art, technology has actually discovered.

It's? It's almost any other sources that have given them away. You really only looking at you know if we were to go West us where the tunnels happiness, you really dealing with Douglas Arizona, Nogales Arizona, and then you don't give us from again until you get to Mexico in California. And can now sit round, and then, of course, Andy. I gotta say see drug, that's what you're dealing with the tunnels, not their taxes, border for most of the borders, how many tunnels

would you imagine there are human time there's. No one knows we discovered hundreds in the last decade back again the tunnels things of the treaty, because the transnational criminal groups, but a lot of money into building a tunnel enter a leading, and what have you only for it to get discovered shortly thereafter, so it is estimated that the major push the major players in the major the major ways that day they go around border security with already seen this before, because they ve already walls of barriers and places like I asked him where the crime when Democrats ass, I looked at the local border, safe, looked ass, an example of how all sport, no one knew a win win level will have to challenge that goes on. I have marked the old house, claim that the wall were. I think you're probably does work.

We're reducing crime and immigration in El Paso? But doesn't it just people say: ok, we will cross here what is good and road sort of does what it, what it tends to have to do as it into a regional criminal group. I'm trying to avoid speaking about translate the cartel, because there are different from those of people, but our town cartels, but what they do is they tend to do.

turned to be a little more professional. They tend to. They tend to start shying away from illegal immigration and my bet smuggling and they start to turn towards partner drugs that they start to turn towards doing. Those hearted runs out force of injury so lacking opacity. What happened was instead of people coming over the border barrier in committing small crimes coming over the border, big daring and committing robberies having over the border barrier, green loaves of drugs on the bad, they turned towards public reaction and they started to target, see the officers and they started to engage in different efforts to get drunk gloves through for legitimate course of injured instead

across the border, changes things which makes it a little more easy to deal with, but it changes things that doesn't stop saying that just changes things right so would it be safe to say that if we, are we putting the strong borders and in some places, even if those in the places we think we needed most as As long as you have lots of where's areas, You're really doesn't matter in terms of the overall effect: does cartels will just and the new immigrants will just adjust Another another word: Didn t need to be pretty good, all the way on the border for all the places that are easy to pass, or

those making Yemen's Reiser. So this is a discussion debate I have often times was with people who are actually open borders advocates and they do exist like people Mikhail Institute or Universal Professor allied, we have discussions on social media about the issue, so so in open border doesn't really kill people per se. A secure border doesn't kill, people for kills, people makes it really really dangerous is is a half secure border? Partial measures has measures we already have. This happened like during the past years and some India vomit yours actually Mama build their border barriers to during those years. What we we did was we put barriers between two or in areas like most of the cities in California, in Arizona like my dollar sin, and there is no doubt with Mexico.

In this era of reactor barriers between that in certain areas- and the point was the son of the traffic in the other areas with the police that would make it easier to capstone. You know some resources ended with the belief that there were some areas. just a desolate that people will not try to cross at turned out not to be treated with. The final thing did work, but it turns out tat. People are so desperate to have a better life here, a lot of people that they do in fact tried to come regardless of how difficult it is. That's why we seem to the two minors I believe in your task. The sector in the Mexico is dangerous. people want to be here. I know that you're doing a good job, because I'm seeing some anxiety in the comments for people who can tell us here. Were against the wall, because that the word

it is divided into these. These are. Visual binaries So let me ask the question, because there is the question. I probably would not it s actually, but for their benefit, Would you say here for the wall elicited the wall, equals fences someplace, while in other places and let the engineers design but you for it orients border barriers where they are needed, and I think you know that's. Not. People went here before the law against it answered border areas where they are needed in order for border barriers in urban areas for border barriers in the most remote areas. But I am also for building more rose, so agents can get your more quickly making sure there.

More medical care for an agency which translates into for migrants and for taking a more aggressive stance against transnational criminal groups in Mexico by going after by going after their money in their money people rather than what we are currently doing, which I think amounts to token gesture and am also for for making a humanitarian and argument for border security, and I recognise that, even if we do the wall to the moon at the end of the day, just all boils down to economic opportunities. There really does, if, until Mexico's, ok until Central America's ok, we're gonna keep having problems in and around our border. These transnational criminal groups have grown task. The plan of Al Capone and prohibition disguised amounted to a point where they there so integrated into next again political culture and exit

issues agencies that you know that, even if we legalise drugs tomorrow, it's gonna intact. It does not stop there and what they're doing well. Freedom for border security and physical barriers are part of that is to say more about the question of legalization. I don't have an opinion on this, yet a more along the lines of you, There are things that you can try small and see if it works Portugal Have a good experience with drug legalization, so there some track record, but why so people ask me? wouldn't lose all pretty much all of our problems if at least the drug problems part of it. If we just made them legal

So I think it right now. I can today and I can't delete more towards that towards liberalization, but I think that we need to be honest with ourselves and something you must people again. Another city was now. It is part of me. Let's talk about marijuana, I think it's absurd that everyone is illegal in a lot of places. I think it's absurd. It is illegal thoroughly. But let's talk about what happened when we began to be criminalize marijuana, it did a lot of good, I think, for people in California you're dying cancer, I'm not taking away from workers alot of young girls and young women who are not giving horrible things under criminal records, forgetting that forgetting the schools are doing good jobs, because I get all of that. But there are also consequences that without this gaslight, whenever we began to decriminalize, marijuana and marijuana could be grown in the United States had grown very professor. We get it right, we gotta get the stuff, that's gonna dollars. What happened was we took a large chunk of the profits that mexican cartels were depending upon? They asked vast amounts of aid reached about actors diverted towards cultivation. What did they do when that, when their sweat Mexicans land, we should no longer to deal with the kind, but in the United States did they go away? No, they didn't know language

it did was. Is they shifted to human smuggling to replace their profits? And that's? Why we're that's part of why we saw the my replies in two thousand for king and his part of what's happening right now and why we have so many people enjoy your country. They also begin to stop cultivating marijuana seals. Are they started today? What poppy suddenly began to sell to read the United States with black tar cheap heroin that no one really want it, so they set any? Our heroine can't compete with some of the asian error. So what can we do to make our heroine again to utilise since an ill with their black, our heroine, so that their heroin was comparable to compete with asian error? Now we have a lot of overdoses of people, because the things you know because they're taking heroin is really not that Europe is based whistles enough, so we have some consequences from their consequences, the legalization, but there are also unintended in bad consequences so by legalizing, without first going after the harder these transnational criminal groups.

What we actually heard ourselves you actually created, and how can we create a situation where people are over this message whistling zoo as long as the cartels and want to make money and their there have the least resistance is more illegal stuff. All we can do

Who is push them from one illegal thing to another illegally situation in Mexico? State department determines how hard we go after cartels. Are they largely determined or against Israel even work after? So? U S, agencies will say is that they are told that they need to balance their long, forced the priorities with the State Department, diplomatic, its diplomatic and certain matter. Trade matters I get all that, but what need largely com is a situation where, in Mexico there's a talker, this form of organised, sir, I like this and part of that circle, his top or whatever drug boss cartel faster is right, he's part of that circle, but the other people in a circle. Our politicians, funding, seers bankers. You know the money, people, the lawyers, have you and the wanderers and simpler, more generally, do this legal after Chernobyl, but we leave the rest about circle in place.

Diplomats and those are the people who are politically connected. We don't do after the rest of our circle in some way go after the rest of us are actually go after subjects. For some months ago there was gonna, keep replacing Sappermint. Definitely I answer. I saw a new story, the wee Wee Guzman, bento convictions. I love all government official. I forget the details.

But I am seeing a reasonably do no story, there's some! I love you there's a bunch of the last two governors of totally does that sound for taxes are guided, wants it. Yes, casting extra custody custody, finding extradition to the? U S, there are instances. What's once got, political leader falls out of favour with that circle there more than happy to give it to us. This is a challenge for us. This is us as play ball with the organised criminal circular. Also, the very day that we have to negotiate. Trade was red meat trade, so that this does not really examples, as are more tugging examples,

what I was hoping more for and when one what's eating was was promised. It didn't happen. It is not his choice. Right I get up when I was hoping for was for specific facts of mexican cartels like one faction of less than one faction of the girls cartel to be declared is boring terrorists because they are in fact for carers and they cross those lights, and I was hoping that going afternoon that way, which would allow doing after eating busy handle their money just going after them. That way what caused the other criminal groups and accept undisturbed in line and to lay down such absurdity security so there to be more economic growth, but have you I thought that was really the best way to go about it, but that's not what's happened, How much do they cartels?

in a year collectively, and could we pay, to do our border security. In other words, if we so, instead of making a billion dollars a year by sneaking people across the border, give you a billion dollars a year to prevent them from coming across the border it again because we already did for border security like we have it This government agencies have informed us, after all, different transnational criminal groups will be called Mexico Cartel, and there is a lot of incentives if there's some sort of at least for speaking out what they call a special interest in theirs allotted insisted and financial incentives for those people to turn this vessel legislate and for people to achieve on the US authorities that we already did utilise,

criminal groups for security, just as we do in that you I've. Never I've never done before. This is the reason I loved talking I hear things I literally never heard so let me just say this again make sure I understood that. Are our worry about actual terrorist list safe in the Middle EAST coming across the southern border is mitigated by the fact that the car

those themselves to make a profit by turning the moon, that people in those cartels, young people for sure, make a profit and turning them think with their enough that this is a complicated deal, because we had a couple of us if we are not taking ownership about inside. I spoke out by loudly guessed. It observed unpopular decisions on the right and make some people mad, but like there was a false reports about an icy terror training camp. In words, there was a false report: if there were a hundred ices fighters and caravans and people ran with those kind of things, just really don't help. What were at a point like now, whether the more likely scenario in attempts to terrorism is that people are are still going to fly to the? U S flight in Canada and endeavouring to come into the US a visa will have you were getting to avoid with technology that were able to recognise his connected. Even if people are gonna start coming in that way and they're gonna start trying to sneak in illicit Lee and TAT might be a problem on the southern border, but for the most part from what I understand that the people that we do get you are connected to your terror word or on the terawatts last are usually Somalis or other people from Kurdistan Kurds and if you're somebody's occur, it's almost impossible to be connected to retire or because every with someone in your family, five in your more for him to changes with the Peter J and because of our relationship with Turkey be called the Pinochet case. Terror, however, would were over their fighting. Our military forces are more than happy to work with us further or more than happy to work,

With this we understand the new US, so I guess complicated. I do think that there is a danger that a threat of of doubt people during that way, but I don't know that those bad people are are as much of a threat as what were already dealing with with with certain transnational criminal groups. Who does what should you talked about? Another on the bottom line is doorkeeper, more people are dying, it had died in the border region. That's about the deceptive two thousand. I don't look at the numbers of people who have died in Afghanistan, look at the mercy of God in Iraq during the war, and I was talking about Mexico's drug war numbers anybody's freely to go back and look at the different instruments. The best estimates from.

Mollie Malloy from the university in New Mexico. This by means of that she has to make that were, were two hundred two hundred. Fifty thousand people dare, since two thousand the drug war wars women can ask just sixty thousand people missing were just got. Nobody knows what they are just what we know about so, sir, we're looking at the real threats along the border not only to us but also to migrants and also to the people. There are many other people to return to come here to work. There are real strength to address and I think that sometimes people on the right by focusing on the possible terrorism is This is how you its effective, allowing people. That is not very honest. You know some of you. There? You know issue in the news right now. Are the president claims I guess almost security claim that x, thousands People are

sure every year trying to come into the country were on the terrorist watch list and then the numbers. One broke it out. It turns out that, basically, it was all at the border. Basically, almost all of it was just almost all that was at the airports so that even you control the border, wins the obligation It wouldn't stop the terrorists because were most of them are coming in through Wars, to which I say and here's my question to you, how would we know how many he came across the border and didn't get caught? Is this. seems to me that is easy to catch people coming in through an airport, because the process requires some to show their face an identification. So one would expect we would catch all of the terrorist going through airports or London, whereas if they were actually coming across the border. They get away with. Because nobody is asking for I D. There are literally the undetected

could we have any idea. How many? Watch list errors are crossing the southern border. Were they do something they don't do. It was not a problem, other think its citizens. Restricting we would. You have people waiting had assistance where five men from Pakistan, one from Afghanistan worker seventeen miles into the Eu S after illegally crossing the border, but these things the problem is this is in any doubt knows like who are those people connected you? I have no idea what it does so is that unless somebody said some Georgia, people from that region are trying to kill us. Does this not better and firms? You find him. Chinese does people thought alongside them, for their own country rang like any we're talking about the deletion of the greater Middle EAST slowly gets through the Annapolis, just one drill down what can't be known

Looking at the figures we don't know like that's Destr, that's the taxes that we have mechanisms in place to try to figure that out and try to known people are coming back. Clearly, some people get through every dogma and that's why again- and it is an important discussion to have whenever we talk about terrorism, but it there are so many more applicable is one of them is to be discussed, but there are so many more applicable reasons like like for us. It is this: is it my private numbers? Let anyone can do those sexual assaults of Central America, migrants, giggling and look at the Wikipedia page look at the sourcing, so we have a situation where up to seventy percent

Of the women and girls who come from Central America to get to the last Elizabeth are sexually assaulted along the way. That's a significant situation that that is a much more out of the real situation would talk about persuasion. Yes, with we need security. We need a mixture terrorist come across the border, but that the people do that appeals to that argument is appealing to are already on fire about border security. Let's, let's broaden out with our persuasion. Let's talk about. Let's talk about the humanitarian consequences of secure border. Let's talk about the seventy percent of migrant women were sexually assaulted. The expectation of multiple ranks along the journey from Central America through our territory, two out of order that those who give our significant organization

some people claim that set out their narrow it into something more equitable. So let limousine like an framed this using what you said earlier may be true that the two safest situations, just in terms of crime would be complete border security or a completely open border? Those two situations would have you, he's, the man of crime were released involved with border related crimes that you then The argument is, there were in the worst situation and the decision we should make is open borders, verses, hold control,

Interesting. I've never really amazing, and it is a half measures and that's why I get very seldom get ascended Republic as Democrats honestly, because I do not wish to do as you have just a few days, I'm going in and signal and I'm gonna meet with families whose whose dollars you know and as you know, and they have no hope of justice. Whatsoever aside from the: U S, targeting the bad guys, you did it to the children of the just thinking. These works enough reasons. Work for the cartels, so so for me, just listen? Maybe it's our media system in the way you set up like this is great discussion, but most of the people talking about this issue again in thirty seconds, soundbites television, and they have no idea with another talking.

to me as well? Where is worth my questions Do we have any kind of a special forces who operating either legally or illegally in Mexico, were directly targeting the cartels. You know now begun. Why not just below the way it works out at best goes everything still consulates everything structure of the state Department. We have contractors work, there are gathering information most it over there for a year or some other Spanish lasted over retired law enforcement from life or may see you ass. If it works contracts, aces are? U s

Do the mexican authorities often times but their journey support rules are not able to engage well with full bloom useless. Don't we with our various intel things and drones, etc, don't we

Do you know where the cartel headquarters are were where most of the bad guys you have to give our government? So obviously my situation less. This look, like my plan, is largely seen as a voice for fur border patrol agents to tell their stories you assigning were largely seen as a voice verger less allowed for law enforcement officials on the mexican side. We come across some much information information. I share with the public so that information on various law enforcement agencies was the amount of frustration in mexican officials who contact me deal with regularly. Who say we soundless.

We want? Our rested on if we invest in the sky is gonna get out of easily less than he was extradited and was soon in the? U S people than the USA me hey. We don't have the paperwork ready for that guy. Sorry, knowledge is not a priority. What what? What is it? What's stopping us from just taking amount, just just killing

While on the other side of the board, when what is not in the moon, well, let's stop us from being more aggressive in general is our stated. I think it has a lot of sway. Another again, like other under an aggressive towards our towns, are very residents dusty towards was that, as in the Gulf Cartel I'm regionally identified, I use all kinds of creating mechanisms to find their parts of offices and sources of technology. We write about it. A lot of us share public where they are about russian Martine does still, unless we create a public outcry. Dealers government does not tolerate houses, individuals, it is a problem, but it really goes back to our stated. The biggest obstacles are border security is an accident. The biggest obstacle to border security is, is the USA Department. They have nothing to do with whether or not we building a wall or a barrier. They have nothing to do with whether or not we are more of the treaties, but they have everything to do with our intelligence. About forced page ceased operating, interact inside of Mexico and then again doubts whether real border security is the real serious thought in the real border, security and a real.

If we talk about all the state border security right, recognising the border regions to parts recognising that that most about a border security is actually having to do with how we deal with our task so that we can truly more economic opportunities that the security situation over the top it? Well, then there is no more of us. Increasing the economic situation in Mexico as long as lies. now. Let me turn my revision, because the cartels wool essentially, on those businesses want so the idea she really becomes one. He appears in the reality, and most of us are very resource, rich, there's, plenty of resources and Mexico. The problem is the Sun

any other reasons along the border. Those resources can be exploited because of the security situation because of the corruption situation, which is largely due to security situation. So, though I don't suggest a we engage in direct economic development and Mexico will be needed in our own country so badly. So many areas of inner cities in rural areas, where you gonna lie, that's all about what we can do is we can address the security situations. We can more aggressively go after the rest of those people in that order, as criminal circle someday fallen line and other places, so that businesses are more able to. investing in Mexico and invest in resource exploitation. Have you it's all about the security situation, and so is usually goes along the? U S next, the border along the Texas border tonnes of oil, but we can exploit them because in order to exploit the cartels

still the gas went away. So so the pinch point here is the State Department and- and why

and are you saying that the State Department is grey or does in trade over everything else? Is not the problem day? Prioritized diplomacy at all, I just wanna see I had a life for talented, yes, yeah, yeah writers, Liberty, members is the former projects for data for them, for them for the iron out for for the State Department in North EAST Mexico. Mr imposes most of these most of those that this goes. Cartel territory fell under his urgent, and now there is no longer doing now. He got very frustrated with that and you know something we give two point: five billion dollars to the marine and which has to deal with our towns, how the State Department, desert cartels, attacks against the drug war, and so he was. He was a senior person in another and he writes with us and he has written by an extensively about issues with the state department or next deal with them.

like I said it is understandable that it concerns our import. It may be that balances diplomacy overland force the priorities, maybe when he did, we need to sift out those words wondering if we hypothetically I am not suggesting this is a good idea and just thinking you through if we were to locate a cartel headquarters and we dropped a drone on it, ago, and complain like crazy to us farmers. And then what were they, stop trading with us. I mean I can't I can't. see the consequences of the Chernobyl accident. A lot of a lot of trucks numbers first, nervous about taxes are all that nobody will make sure I'm making. So the question What would Mexico themselves in the foot to punish,

For solving their biggest problem, now, together with Russia and every I think that it is unnecessary to get one

another, not another minor cosmetic, Mexico's Due Mexico's enjoy rights of some really unnecessary. Jester. Here's the deal the men and women in Mexico trying to do something about our task of about a brush again what we could do it. What would be the smartest thing is if we want to take like one mexican border state, this divided into six regions and their interstate state has an original Swatch Member State Police commander he's going asked cartels. Their salaries are about fifteen hundred dollars a month. At knows, if we want to take a situation where an intelligence agencies were to give resources to those individuals and can actually go after cartel bosses protected cartel losses were if people in Mexico dump those people like the border wanted. Any notice diatribe was going after an accident was going after just kind of a bigger, effective another things that we can accomplish. For you know you can't you, don't have that relationship with every regional swap Commander Mexico for three point six report for dollars year: nothing, nothing in the drops of governmental resources,

There are other ways to go about doing this in drawing up the most effective thing we can do is just to declare to actions of the tube silent cartels. The two german his actions suggested a clearer than the foreign carers and not with TAT would in itself accomplish this goal without without whereas we wonder what is it, what one is? Thereby us if we just simply change who does invasion The activity. What do we do differently, because what I just different is it causes everyone involved. Was there in any manner to also be subject to have resources seas

be gone after the United States, a re prioritizes there. It takes the state Department, the driver's seat on how their doubts that other agencies at the forefront so suffers his papers. You deal with their release the obviously like when we talk about the status of a girl for total operate along their headquarters, investments for water there's, multiple factions are sitting here, which is the main function of disasters. The Renault factory was natural above cartel. These people is on the table today is about money and power in their money is being their money is being landed. In yes, said he was connected some days, launder money of other terror organisations is a very different situation for longer So let me see it.

I've been summarizes viewers no wind down here. Even so the sum is there own state department is keeping those from the aggressive with the crime on the other side of the mexican border. Does I wanna keep good diplomatic relations with Mexico, but if we were to declare the two biggest Cartels are the two most problematic cartels as terrorist argue organizations, which, which would be human, parliament, then the state Department would have to take a step back because it will not be relieved. The leave group

without the woman's military, it was to be involved, would be different factions with gas as a whole, which MR investigations will be a lot more recently, our Treasury department given more aggressively. We could go down the line on on how that will change. Nothing said, on average, declaring a golf cart as a foreign terrorism advocated declaring a faction. The most dominant faction as a foreign territory is, if we are not of people, don't recognize a new US between criminal groups and it's very important that we do so. If we took to regional factions of these articles in and made an example of them, they would cause the other groups, and I support a fallen lie. That's my thinking. If we just declared cartels is obviously that would be very problematic in it with David Press Mexico, because again, together, twice danger across the country sound. So we have to do an example that I think one of them

Things like express here is that we continue to treat Mexico as equal tabled with us as a government, as a country like their Canada, Lecter Germany, but the truth about months ago is that it is thirty two districts, thirty one states went straight out of those territories are actually under the direct control or direct influence of Mexicans. Drug cartels, drug cartels that, when the Mexicans military, the United States Canada, when we want to deal with that officials of a region, we set the agents in Mexico City, the police they had descended. The Marines tend to go into all areas of our house of Mexican States a patrol by the mexican military because they are dealing with people who are fighting back against them with anti geese and armoured vehicles. Some cases was helicopters, withdrawal did this is this is appeared,

military situation is not a law enforcement situation over half a year ago, yet we still try to deal with them as late as though they are, as they are now following a family narco state which they are ok, so let me ask you a question that I keep getting on social media is my position that the borders secure? No, the border security made much of indifference to the amended rose coming in from the border cheerful stars, according to the data, so drunk transnational, get asked majority apologize to me for some order to counter or subsidiary in percentage of here is a significant in our country we regard salami living drill down in that and so with the ten percent that you're not coming across the border crossings.

Could no longer Lithuania renewing it when they just go to the border crossings, which apparently works well oranges,. Moreover, the wool know somebody amusement drivers, so this is like so important that when we talk about border security, we talk about the listing or security, not just a wall. That's one of my gestures to that. That's why you get someone. I support it because I have an objection

you just like I did with the care of a night like this ever stop tankers. There's more people coming across our borders, every we generally in the caravan aside, the caravan did you really take the steam out of the moving to debtors, secure the border and the change policy by talking about the quality gates's wall it is, it is one of the physical barriers are waiting component of other border of a comprehensive border security plan. One component is an important component is a symbolic component, but it is just one component in it. It's done. It has very little that if it has to be done with a lot of other things and that's what I'm trying to tell people that does other things just happening right. Most of those other aspects are just not happening, and that's why I don't listen.

With us that serious about securing the border, because if we were doing a number of other things, instead us saga singer one or two aspects, other wrap up. Is there any final thing that maybe you'd like to restate you're having Evans and yet about Morton.

I would just say that a couple of points out people take away from this is that the border region is the: U S and the mexican side. I would like to really impressed upon people that we need holistic border security, multiple steps down, some of which can be done very easily by the president about the state Department without any work from a democratic from across the party, and then the five finally like to say that there is a mandatory for border security. There is a good you, then attempted argument, and people would begin to make that argument.

They would have a lot more support for an argument or bring good good. Thank you for that. I'm gonna see now watches washing up the convention. People who live in these discussions and thank you for judges and without again. Right, those of you wondering his raping was not marijuana. know. Some of you were wondering that I asked in my life. So I hope that was useful. I learned a time about that. Can bring up any other topics on this. Ethical just gives us periscope on the single topic and we'll talk about climate and other things later.

so the the tanker ways are that if we, if we were to declare the the worst of the cartels, the factions within those cartels, as terrorist organisations, we might be able to beat the other terrorists into line to be just regular criminals, so a barely dig it out from DEFCON Ten do DEFCON five normal crime will be sorted out The other thing that was used useful is that safest to conditions from it. You perspective humanitarian, meaning. The people coming across themselves will be complete border security or no border security at all, but but half of the border security is the most dangerous least optimal situation, and that's the one we're in so maybe we should just

that how about getting rid of it all or having a complete border security, because those are the smart choices for the benefit of the immigrants because remember is a moral argument, so let me put this in energy policy terms. It is immoral to have a partial border. Am I wrong because the worst case scenario for the immigrants themselves is well we have made? where's a partial border. The two ways that you can be morally less acceptable we don't know, bordered on which has its own problems, but its least morally acceptable or they a really good border where people are not trying to get across that's a fascinating refrain of things, and I am glad we have this conversation. I'm good Andy here and I will talk to you later.