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Bug Juice and Bugouts

2021-07-09 | 🔗
Today's hodgepodge of a podcast takes up our personal histories of summer camp, Joe Biden's speech on Afghanistan, the conversion of COVID into a seasonal flu, and bad documentaries. Give a listen.
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Welcome to the Commentary Magazine Daily podcast today is broadly joy. Nineteen, twenty twenty one, I'm John ports. The editor of commentary today is no. Ross wins last day off will be back on Monday with me, as always: executive editor, a green while higher hygiene and senior writer Christine Rosen high Christine Catch on. Ok, we're gonna we're gonna a mixed things up and start with an anecdote. I just learned literally forty five seconds ago that Christine Rosen New Zander soldierly! Well that an island they knew. I would add that we were. We were talking about camp summer, camp experiences and I had the great good fortune to go to a wonderful place called can have. Music school in Vermont, starting I was eleven and
the only other kid who is that age camp that summer was a piano player named egg ass. He was known. So again, we're sort of became friends. Again, of course, was a prodigy, which you, you immediately learned about him, because when you play the piano was like a dream. I was not a prodigy on pursuing, so I was not up to me. Caliber, but we would have concerts and people's parents if they lived in the New England area would sometimes come to concerts and so at mid way through some are, if you like, all my dad's coming. You should give me my dad, so we walk over the corner, the concert home. There's a fairy austere, looking older, looking man with a long beard ass, I thought that was his granddad introduce man, you know we we set our pleasantries, And later I mentioned to my dad when I called my parents on paper, but later that deficit, I'm at my friend the east. Dad was eighty. What kind of name is that I think it's brush? his name's, ignored and you're hitting desert the long wretched last name, my dad, of course. Under
sort of being a little more up to up to speed with current events that I was an angel Evans and find out what it Last name is so next time: economists annihilated tells listen. If you want an, he informed me that I had just met Russia's most famous distant and literaria personage, and I will say he was perfectly pleasant, though not Only ignore was is amazing. He was called on to become a very well respected conductor and continues to perform a piano and really wasn't musical prodigy, but all from a kind of camp experience they did prompt me later take to read citizens work into a sort, learn more about how he came to the country. And ended up in Vermont. So it was just one of those weird historical moments where I was clearly the kind of dim waited forest got character in this directive, but that at the camp was amazing. So, yes, Buddy Hackett Winter herbs apartments were there
True, that is not all wait. Sorry will hoo hoo hoo did come to your proposal buddy rich somebody wretch. Ok, that's even better, actually buddy riches better, but he button there, but he didn't but think about buddy riches that he wouldn't have to perform, because he could only perform free brought drums right. He couldn't believe people form, but we did He performed at all my gotten dear lower grades, discussing all this. Oh come on come on I'll get behaves confessional moment on the part of the agenda. You of the view of the bureau. The best the score is what my I bet. I have terrible. I have absolutely awful cyber get here, my camp because I hated camp, but I'm now I'm I'm very much part of Camp family, my my wife parents, mad at Camp Roma?
and was consummate nineteen, forty, eight or nineteen, forty nine. He was a councillor. She was a camera was the first year of the camp. They ended up giving me My father in law ended up. Running compromise was consular than the compromise network as his location. I am I Father was a dramatic counselor compromise was constant in nineteen. Forty man ensured a sleeping porch with my father in law, and they did not. each other again until the We say the market told them the Inlaws met after by all, and I got engaged so that would have been fifty two years later or something like that. Michael, Grandparents, my maternal grandparents started a camp. Also Wisconsin out of out of Saint Paul Minnesota called hurtful camp which is still going on and hurtful camp
like compromise started as part of the serbs zionist fervor, of American Jews in the nineteen. Forty is how these camp originally were required that the children who came speak only in Hebrew as an effort to serve create the conditions under which Hebrew would become the national jewish language. Follow that is longer the case and never really worked to begin with anyway, but my father had to write plays in Hebrew. He wrote, I guess a sketch really, but he play a week end up desperately. I tried to get that at some point. I tried to get the remark management in Chicago too, through files and see if there was any of these plays, survived the filing cabinet or something like that they had lost her to them. this time they were my grandpa. Scam, personal camp,
was is notable in the annals of pop culture history, because it was where a a kid from Northern Minnesota, from up from a small town in or removed Minnesota called he had been named. Barbie's Zimmermann was sent by his parents to get some jewish location in the summers and that, of course, Sir Bobby's Urban became Bob Dylan. So he was a. He was a hurtle camper Joel and Ethan Cohen came up from the twin cities to go to a summer camp on. I believe Joe Cohen once made a joke that they're going to comparable hersel cap made him an anti Semite Thomas Friedman. Went there. So I apologise to anybody who has had the misfortune, of having to read the Tom Friedman, column and aid
Fox man, the head of the the adsl and end me and my sister Ruth so that those are those are among the many hurtled camper campers them, celebrated remark. Hamper now is Ben Plath, the star dear Evan handsome witches on Broadway, one of the great Broadway performances of all time. Now made into a movie that I think it's gonna be on that flax in September so the so that that's he went to remain. Oh hi, California, there there's something like her ten remedies in the United States. My two kids are there right now To my two younger kids are there right now? In my mind, the my elder daughter, my eldest daughter, is on a six weeks. program and Israel run by Roma. That was very touch him go about whether or not it was gonna happen. I like the week before she was set to take off Israel where rigid,
travel restrictions, and so there is a whole. You know to do it. The called rightly, what are the funniest things we have to do? As you know, tat. She had to show her vaccinated and she had to show their. She had show that when we actually have to take a document to a notary, they get no derisory that affirmed that she was not a terrorist but required by the by the israeli government. tell the truth about. You know snake put a lot of faith in notaries. Don't I tell you right now: yeah yeah hold them up Yahoo boy, so yeah, that's the but a. But this is not a camp Abe stories like Camp story. We heard some of this last year, but we did our. You know our life life histories, but ah, but ok, you don't have to talk about it. even though yours is better than large neighbours, Amanda Mystery- I mean you know I have I have. I did in my life, a meat body added several
many times, but I hope you remember, I'm not. I don't have much to related about the European about Buddy Hack ends up buddy hacking list of what buddy hack it represents is lit. The urban also, did you have a camp experience EVA Summer Camp experience, no good ones, but most people say I was a little weird thing summer. Camp can be either love it or you both it and have terrible story to tell my final summer. Camp story is that when I was when I was eight for reasons that them you know, I've never been spelled out. Bye, bye, bye, I my parents who web who are well known, two letters, this package to do not know that they have a whack Lee and bizarre and them the rash side decided that I We needed to have got a summer camp submit that not my sisters had gone to summer camp really, but I had to go to some
a camp. I was eight years old and they sent me the Northern Ontario from New York. Just to give you a sense of thumb, I gotta go plain. A plane alone from the Guardia to Toronto was picked up a than when a busted Northern Ontario, where I cried for eight weeks, basically casino better Hyaena, how far it was, but a place called Halliburton Ontario, the funniest thing about this camp was that day it was said to be I'm lake placid but lay placid was actually, not the name of the lake. The lakes actual name was like her came, but the camp had re brand, that for its own literature as lake placid. In order to you now make sure that worried pair parents did not did not think that you have their kids work, gotta be drowned and hurricane anyway. This chemist, but why pilot still there M dam and
Twelve years later, sunlike dad. I was at a movie theater, watching the first bill, Murray Movie meatballs. And at the end movie, it says, fill out which were I'd. I'd been there, you know so so it turned out me: pause was filmed at camp, wiping so peoples. Of course, I think them three months summer: Camp Movie aside from Friday the thirteenth I think, as emotionally more resident to me that meatballs as a story of how, if you go to camp you, actually you know can't private there are at least emotionally murder, if not the, if not physically murdered, but yes, so I went to the camp and meatballs. That's my other. That's my other camps story. not that it's much camp story, ok, so so now that we have dispensed with, although again like meeting Alexander Solzhenitsyn, that is a Dennis Lake, you know that in rapturous nectar, world historical. I had no idea. I was meeting
he's dead. That's online like meaning one of the email, ten greatest men of the twentieth century is not nothing. I think you could probably be easily make the case. she was there, if not higher enough in the list of of great men and great men who you know, we're fundamentally misunderstood, complicated, highly complicated, complex figure, not not not without his own moral ambiguities, but them, but also some his impact and importance, but has not faded. One tiny bit no, I mean you know, and I mean in some ways. Of course, what you haven't in and what they were Putin is an effort to The soldier needs denies the Soviet Union in some fashion to take what was you know, there's some are universal
the experiment in in you know, in tyrannical domination and make it an ad were blade. Braun work, work, work, work, consciously fill it with Russia, nationalism as a as a substitute for entry. Actual list. Evangelism on the communist front, and I mean it maybe unfair, to social needs and to take us out of the he believes that you now empire was was in there am I to the russian character that was richer pipes, idea, that was that was even Tolstoy idea. Torso horsemen maybe the first great anti imperialist. You know who ever lived, do no good, opponent of of russian imperialism in the eighteenth seventies, yet, which is a major theme in a crowded out but but but
so yeah associated. You know it's very hard to understand what it is. The Putin is up to if you really want to follow, put without understanding the that this idea of Russia, and ask that was very much a part of social Etons Ideological make up anyway? Can I just point out by the way that your mention of tolls, forbidden anti imperialist. It's one of the things that drives me absolutely bonkers when the the kind of woke district one of the western cannon and the claims about you. Don't get white men not having anything to speak to the present moment, ironically alot of people they would. They would cast out of the of the cannon because they happen to be dead, why Men had a lot to say about the arguments that they now claim to embrace, such as a time your hill, his anyway and yeah. Well, I mean only Tolstoy was a very modern. You know one of things as if you were a very peculiar. Person with very picking up the maybe the greatest
literary mind the world has ever seen, but a person a very confused, complex and often contradictory, my ideas and ideas that, but you know but but somebody who was so so's struggle, with his own christian faith in them question of your own personal behaviour and your own he is and how they have to compete with the teachings of Jesus that he he went down. Some very Christine paths, including the idea of having had thirteen children and an unknowable number of children with workers on his birthday patient whenever you want to call yes, pollyanna his his ancestral home than this I did that sex was was evil and at such a moment of silence for Tolstoy wife place like this is one of the thirty or so you're Tolstoy there. There is actually a very
What movie about Tolstoy last days called the last station with Christopher Palmer and Helen Mirren Callin me are in place only on the issues of easing and then at the end. That movie is about how Tolstoy you now to it also redolent of observe modern times. It's all about how Tolstoy and that being so, taken over and run by these. You know fanatical disciples who, whose whole effort was the separate him from his family, so they could control the the great man anyway the last station, if you're looking for a good, a good will be to see anyway. Ok, so, let's take a break, and then we'll get a serious stuff, not at all certain that serious but I take summer camp very seriously together you well, you know what
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reason in the White House and decided that the idea of pulling out on slipped on the twentieth anniversary of September eleventh might not be the best pr move or residents and so Biden announced that he was that American all american forces, except the six hundred and fifty who are staying to protect the embassy in the airport will be will be leaving by August thirtieth what'd, you gotta make of the speech. While he was defensive as you would expect, because Is the initial announcing the policy they withdraw from a ballroom. Airbus has not been celebrated in in the way that perhaps the administration had anticipated, it hasn't been exactly slammed across the board, but but
Questions have come up from the from the start of the Venus with this policy about about the wisdom and what it portends I'm so he was. He was quite defensive and I was not actually the least bit impressed by what he said. I thought he heap. He served made some very dishonest kind of points about when he got dramatic about saying for those who would say that we should, stay on. I ask you how many more Americans Sir, how many more lives and for how long Something had no eyes has pointed out recently on this podcast There have not been a lot of lives. American lives lost Afghanistan in recent years that it doesn't that's no longer a sort of operable complaint that that was insane Olano now two thousand
three or four or what whatever it was. You know, so I think I Don't think you did a great job, he said things like we haven't lost yet or the mission is not lost yet judges, which is really a great, but that that was what I picked up. That, though, the wish the wishful thinking was baked into that. A lot of what he was saying was almost insulting. If you ve been following even in a general sense, what's been happening in Afghanistan and the re emergence of the Taliban, which, on his side, note wended. When did the media start calling Taliban representatives officials as if they're like us, state that functions like it anyway. That doesn't bother me too, but I thought that binds we're dead. Duration of instead of saying declaring victory, is clearly want to avoid the these sort of spare. You know declaring victory moment because things are not great as we're leaving, but they I also want to say we
didn't lose and that again, there's a cognitive dissonance in the in the messaging there, because, if he's saying well, we didn't lose we're leaving and now we hope they will find a way to find peace like there's. Just nothing reassuring about any part of that. That reasoning our friend. The yellow leg has a really bad does superb column at Blair. Bloomberg this morning Lee S way ass, he published called Afghans will no longer choose their own government and here's cures, but what he says, which I think is very important biden- has think we know from the accounts of the Obama administration was an opponent of the Obama Surge, which I think was two thousand nine. If you remember the Obama surge, another being. I think it was thirty thousand troops and there was an empty. He promised at the minute that he commanded them at that he was gonna, pull them I'm eighteen months, so was like a surge where you too
the enemy, how long they had to go, it's like hide until the search was over, but time was opposed. To that end? Had his own by love, loves thee, interestingly imperialist notion very much akin to what happened after World WAR, one of America going around and splitting countries up into three like he wanted to split Iraq into three countries Annie, I believe our memory. he wanted to sweat Afghanistan into three key countries and That was really a growing concern, but so he he has had his own. idea tat about what to do in Afghanistan for more than a decade and and why the things he said, which is, I think, the Anna Mating thought kind this pull out was known she has ever unified Afghanistan, no nation, he said
and as Eli right. So what would be the points thing another year decade to fight for government that will never be able to wool a deeply divided nation. The end sir, is that's not true, and that's the point of Eliza Column. That report, twenty years now or maybe a little. Let me the eighteen years now, Afghanistan had a unified government has central elected government, its corrupt. You know it's a sure. Maybe it's not great, but it has a central, unified government what it has isn't irredentism force that had ruled it was kicked out that once back in two, rather Afghanistan, as a unified nation under its control. This is not all look. Let it let them go back they all have their own regions and they'll be a Loya jirga here, at a Loya jirga. There and they'll have at this meeting at that meeting and it'll just be old after
I understand the way it always was before westerners unwisely tried to dominate it right. First, what we didn't want to dominate it was Russia that it Soviet Union that wanted to dominate it or others were wanted to dominate. We needed to go there to extirpate ok, and remove the government that housed Al Qaeda as a mesh as ape as a message that we were not going to tolerate anyone. Housing force, that sought to destroy, or you know, or or wood or injure the United States, what we wanted was to leave the place better than we found it. I mean that sort of all right. It was that Colin Powell, you break it, you own it doctrine. If we're gonna go in, do we could to extirpate get rid of the Taliban regime get get rid of the Al Qaeda that we would vote that. We would then also be there to try to leave and place a more functional government that would also have the
ancillary benefit of not allowing the Taliban back in and so are our mission there for the last twenty years has been twofold and it's only a failure, because the Taliban haven't given up and why haven't the Taliban given up because they they They understood that we were are in constant. I mean that in fact we weren't in constant, I mean you had Republicans and Democrat. You had you had Bush a Republican you at a bomb, a democratic you had to whatever trump. As I mean aid out with without a republican foreign policy who would not pull out When all is said and done, you know, Obama wanted to and then didn't or he didn't want the right he said he wanted to win Afghanistan and extra PAM could get rid of been locked and all that, although a lot of course was got rid of Pakistan Not a bit of Obama said that winning when he ran but their money.
Got into office, he kind of one or two blaming the vizir ended up, be I think, if I remember correctly, on David Betrayal, I'll give him like three plans and heating, it was the short of medium wonder whether the way on middle for the sort of you know not them The force is not not the fewest, but very much with an eye towards getting out. I mean Right but I'm Knight errant right, but in the end it was more caught. It looked more politically, whatever you stood, usually costly to pull out them to stay, you get, the idea being that a president who is someone who's running for president, who hasn't seen the full details of the intelligence briefings of how what's going on Afghanistan might know glibly sale. we're gonna get out of there and then, when they actually hold power and see their responsibility in that region and the dangers in that region. If they do pull out they, they re think it. But I mean I wish no always here today because he could do it. Is the general rant about brightens grasp of foreign policy, but we
exactly what can happen? It's happening literally right now. The Taliban now controls, I think, two or three border crossings. Already, I mean their immediately moving to do what everyone predicted they would do if America announced to withdraw and to act the again, I think this is why it was so frustrating to listen to Biden kind of happy talk a lot of this and assume that peace will reign me. There is no way that that should be the operating assumption and he did give any reassurance to the american people that any sort of terrorist groups that might use Afghanistan as a base to target domestic targets here it was that that was under control either. I just there was nothing in that talk to give reassurance to people who have been following this crisis will again among those things you said the did give reassurance. She said Durham But this isn't like the fall of Saigon. It's just that. I was advised at once the announced we were going to get out. It would be better to get out quickly here no kidding
I do not like. The farmers are not totally never about what what what what he said was there aren't gonna, be any helicopters. Are the roof of the embassy lifting people up out of the Ark, the airway away from the embassy? And you know what will will see, but what we'll see. I mean we're not leaving a huge force to protect the embassy there. Granted, like you know, I mean there. Is there a law soldiers protecting the Euro embassy, but every one was to leave on that data was like crazy and- and you know I hope not- I mean- I hope that we don't have that we don't have to do a rescue. Issue for the Americans still in the embassy if the places overrun by the Taliban? But we don't know that for certain and what for setting the Americans who were there right now aside. What about all of the Afghanistan? Does people who helped support the Americas mission in Afghanistan? There is that many of them want to get out many them,
be slaughtered by the Taliban. There's gonna be a real effort to maybe again happy Tucker ignore that here at home domestically, but so many people help support that mission, not just translator, such as people who work directly with the military, but all the support staff who out of their own offices and embassies win. Afghanistan government that give real support to what was going on there? They are. They now have targets on their backs as well. I mean he did talk about accelerating or changing the regulations or whatever on this kind of refugee status? so that so that the people who were who are directly employed by the he now by the american mission there are think are about eighteen thousand of them can get out of here. you wanna get out, so I mean that he did a dress it, but you're right. I mean it and again or to use Vietnam is as the just that the easiest analogy, but the the pattern.
once the. U S pulled out of staff, Vietnam and the north took over. Was that everybody in anybody in the south who had been seen to have been related. It any ancillary way to the Eric Admission was sent to a re education cap. You know million people or something like that replaced and re education camps where they were taken away from families forced to work in rice paddies, you know, instructed in this case would be Taliban fundamentalism, the fundamentalist islamic precepts and and so you know whom an end they ended up. You know people, ended up fleeing on leaky boats into the south, China Sea. That was the they derivation of the vietnamese refugee crisis, that, by the way, the odd thing and this might be- the Afghan as well like the Vietnamese,
presence in the United States that came as a result of what happened. There has been an hour Why benefit for the United States? The vietnamese refugees who came here made lives our children and our grandchildren and end the end. You know, have been an incredible net plus, of course, the United States, but get out by the other way. the thing I find made. This particular point of saying we're not gonna, abandon the women and the girls and women, Ok, so apparently ok to abandon the men, because their man, but the girls and women because of course, the Taliban, you know famously would not educate, greener, refused to write Any education for women are in fact a shot. people who taught girls had a red stuff like that in other than that, we're gonna work.
Gotta, do whatever we can to help them or whether what on earth are, you know how you know we could do to help them not leave the thing that hand the pandering to his domestic political base in that speech was was not at all subtle. Onions like oh, don't worry, feminist. We still we still care about afghan girls. We sell you know, you know, I'm surprised invoke Mullah, like it's like book. This is the only way to protect those women is to have some presence disable. It enforcing the regent, leaving that he's here abandoning as women and girls I mean- or we are part of the thing about about our having been in Afghanistan as long as we have been is that there are her young women and girls they're, whose Their entire lives have actually never know life under the Taliban and sadly they're going to find out about it. I mean you know: people
probably I am guess if the people who listen to this pod remember that this was a nightmare regime I mean, like a horror movie nightmare regime Marion, like Mary, eight year old girls. After all, you know, goat hers or whatever yeah have have pub. Executions in IRAN in stadiums. You know like serve like the like the Roman Colosseum, I mean you know any anybody who forgets this can just go red, Jose, these, the kite runner Org or go see the movie about what it was like tube to till to live under the Taliban. I mean this was was a. You know that the whole thing the destruction of all cultural provenance in the country, including those the boot these them for
hundred year old Buddha statues in Afghanistan that work that were that were levelled by the Taliban because they were not. You know they were not muslim, There were representational, and just you know these were young. cardiac fanatic totalitarians, the worst people you could possibly imagine and granted its twenty years later. My guess is that the Taliban, I think, are we read about this you know it's it's it's a different movement now. Did you know that doesnt quite have the doesn't quite have the same. Milon Merriam quality to it, but none the less like these are among the this is that this was an absolutely. terrifying regime, we're leaving you know, and slightly
right then so that Nicaragua leaders they worse comments and then they stopped and that they started them like. This was terrifying. The thought of living under that this regime, was terrifying. It was. It was like a combination of the french Revolution under under the Jacobin and- and you know, the Ayatollah Khomeini and I don't know what I mean it was just you know our. So that's what we have now gather questions. What what is there the opportunity cost. This is a very bloodless way to talk about american forces and had to work for an offer to to get out to foreign lands. we're gonna learn in the next year. What the opportunity cost was between leaving and stay
How does the media stand? The story like someone's gonna, beat that it's gonna have to get covered, so we know what goes on there well enough, and if the Democrats are worried about how rising d, crime rates are gonna of impact them in the next election and uptake in in the ability of of terrorist organizations overseas to strike Here is also going to be very back and forth her I mean this is, but I too about the media. I am extremely pessimistic that this is gonna be covered, although you. Neither the foreign were the foreign correspondence it at. The major outlets generally are sceptical of any, administrations the efforts over there, so hopefully they'll be at least a few who will continue to cover this closely, but it there is not a lot of evidence that they'll do that. Throwing how they ve protected, widens domestic agenda so far,
there is no shortage of horror stories to cover. You know that that the quick as long as long as they are covered idle right now, of course, but one of them. One of the things is that you know the the Taliban were ousted in two thousand. One is now twenty twenty one, and the. Obviously it's a lot ease you'll get news out through. You know on official channels than it was then They didn't seem to mind getting covered, as I recall when when it back then, but they probably well now or try shut down the internet or what, whatever that whatever it is, that they'll do. But it's not it's not. So it's not so simple guys. You know, ah. The very astute planet. So columnist for Macro economics, column is for the New York Times. Neil Erwin has a peace today call
All the bond market is telling us to worry that growth, not inflation. I read in this peace a shift, ten should be giving shift in the in the convention. Wisdom that you now inflation is the greatest threat to our future. Prosperity and The opening of a conversation about whether or not what the bond market is up to indicate it's a fear about long term deflation, not inflation, If you were listening on this podcast a couple of months ago, I think was a couple months, whether maybe a couple weeks, I can't remember now- you would have heard this very same arguments from David bonds and head of the bonds and group publisher DC today that common dividend cafe dot com. Who has been a beating the drum for the idea that the bond market is telling us that we are heading for a period of one.
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reporting, fifteen. Sixteen seventeen thousand new cases a day, but the toll is around two hundred and thirty. Eight hundred and forty a day do the math. A hundred and thirty four hundred and forty a day overthrew him, and sixty five days is about fifty thousand deaths a year from Cove it, and that is clear. Remember this is where we got to the whole thing about how it was just flew number like when people said we were of reacting last spring. It was the clue killed. Sixty thousand people listen, kill sixty thousand people wireless shutting in other world down. Because of this, and then of course there four million people that around the world there are six hundred dollar six hundred Twenty thousand people dead in the United States were covered in again, even if you say, that numbers inflated. So let's just say that its five hundred thousand dead from covered, what what we were
Hoping was that it would be a flu and it wasn't a flu benefits, benefits benefit if we get a point never soon. Thing. What we're seeing here is that the severity of the the severity of the Cases is not leading to people die in others, Already level is lower because people are just dying from it less and less and less at some point. It's a flu and wood. and we are the entire conversation that we're. Having is is wrong, is, is, is, is wildly misguided because then we're talking about using prevention methods against something that we don't need to prevent under extraordinary circumstances
but this is gonna, be the challenge right. Moving from an from the pandemic mindset, seasonal flu mindset- that's gonna, take oh, it's gonna take a year. I think, and it's gonna take that I think that's why the insistence on continued vaccination is I think it's important that were already discussing the FDA had a statement em out recently yesterday. I think the CDC about boosters there already talking about. if and when we need booster shots for people who are already vaccinated, what that might look like how they have to get the supply to the levels of needs to be at that's all good. That is what we should be talking about. Putting I e note for people who Although the flu every year, you know that there are here's that are much worse than others their years where they get the vaccination cocktail. Good good cocktail, where it protects most of the various and the years were they don't. We will, I think, get to that point with covered it'll just become part of that makes every season, but the man
Instead of this is extremely Deleon unusual and not a flu. We were told that for over a year can be hard to. Let them go, and I think I understand that will be difficult, but we have to do we have. We need again. We talked about this yesterday, but the public health messaging from our officials needs to start discussing it in that way, not in the way we have in the past year, mobility, it is hard to think of the deadly things as not deadly or less. Sadly, after me, there, there, very few similarities between the two things about discuss. But if you take, for example, you know like HIV, people can, it's varies survivable now with with drugs, and you know, with the occasion, but still very much thought of in in terms of a very very deadly
because it is understood, spoke then it is a broad discussion. It is if you, if you don't, if you don't take the take, take the medicine but soap neither does the feeling of the idea of all the way. things can terrorized population doesn't just vanish. Well, there's no, and we ve gotten out of the habit in the last year, understood again, understandably of having anything to compare covered two. So actually you know every time some It's a mass of greasy hamburger with french fries they're, putting themselves at risk of a heart attack which kills me is what kills mostly cancer heart attacks and disease. Lifestyle does is actually still kill more people in this country, but we don't think of it. That way. Car accidents kill a lot of people in this country. We dont tally the daily tall unless you happen to be in it history. That needs to do that. So we we lack context, for understanding, risk and death in this country and always have to that's part of it as well.
So, as you guys know, we published a big piece by Jim eggs in our June issue, called thank God for big farmer right, which is about how the remarkable development of them are in a back scenes, in particular, is a year with a world historical life, changing lifesaving events that we under other circumstances. We would have immense gratitude for, but of course big farmer is, them is a classic. Broad bugaboo, enemy of Bernie Sanders mothers who think that they're just trying to suck off the public will end. And then I noted a yesterday. I made the the I observe strangely switching channels. I hit my old friend marks time on the seven o clock hour on the Fox NEWS Channel taking the place of whoever was that had that show that they have these rotating host on and that he
was interviewing Michel Bachman. So this was like some kind of weird. You now return to the that in two thousand and eight eight or two thousand and twelve or something and hi run. I didn't really catch the most the conversation till the end, but the Cairo run said Pfizer Pfizer earning billions from Cove it, something like that. Apparently they were talking about Pfizer's approach to the FDA, for the approval of a boost, your shot, give the delta variant. Ok I'll bring this up only to say that I assume that Pfizer needs FDA approval for a boost. Your shot, Pfizer's pairing booster shot in case the delta very requires the booster shot according to the CDC yesterday, all there were relevant evidence suggests, will boost your shot as yet
is not necessary or will not will not protect you much more whatever, but I've seen you can't from a standing start so Pfizer which should have. All of our gratitude says: ok, we really get out, should let let's seek approval for a boost, your shot and case that's necessary appear. Thirdly, the cdc which we can trust, remarked trust her whatever says, based on what we can see, it's not necessary yet, but there's gonna be a get another. There is this: the shift from the left hating big pharma to the right, getting big farmer is yet another, incredibly depressing political event. Here I mean so now Mark Stein. What about sophisticated people on earth is kissing all over Pfizer because to making money off the path. The Koran. virus vaccine. What little, because the
aid has decided that the vaccination regime, with some liberal imposition on the rest of us, might the end think like him might have to change their turn, because the that one of the big items on Itunes scheduled today is a big house about regulation and how economy wide by demonstrations is going to, as they say in or terms increase competition by regular, in every aspect of the business world, in the? U S so it'll, be really fascinating to watch. Big farmer is part of that right. That's an it's! A big tactic, farmer that there are a lot of industries banking, that d by the ministrations progressive the pressure that has been put on penetration by the Progressive Party, the party has been demanding much more regulation of and his well it'll, be, I'm curiosity how much he gives them in this in this executive order. But that might, I hope, tat some of these Republicans gun low bonkers about big farmer back to some sense of reality.
one. What one hopes! I just think that it is you know it is. It is first of all just to me this clear the amount of money that Pfizer is making. I didn't really understand this, but the amount of money that Pfizer is going to make on the vaccine Pfizer. The country is a company that makes close two hundred billion dollars a year and apparently we're talking here about less than a tenth of that. So, of course, that's good You know I mean that we want a product that you know, improves your bottom line by ten percent in a year and and particularly because it's good because they didn't have to spend seven years in development, on it and spend the billions of dollars of costs usually to bring a drug to market, but it's not
the be all and end all of Pfizer like Pfizer is not in me. There's no reason to look at Pfizer, saying: ok, let's think about a third child. and say oh what they're just trying to get out there, trying to gouges, get us to take a network bearing medication like that's, that's saying that if you say that an then you are being fought. foolish and if you say, because you're trying to make a new year, you're you're making some weird your expanding on this populist message about how the entire a year and a half that we ve lived through. There was some kind of life RO plot to control our lives is terrible. I mean it
it's either. It is like some kind of intellectual dark age to look at this. You know incredible advance that may have amazing, positive consequences in the next generation in terms of other applications of the MRI, a technology that which is only likely years old driving Bob, I went back only started, then twenty after twenty eleven or some like that, I mean this is a new approach. sittings to something that continues to confuse me here. Is that to see this as a part of the populace wave, on the right which it is it doesn't make a ton of sends me because tromp was not anti big farmer. I thought about drug prices, but he talked about the fantastic job. These genius geniuses of these companies were doing in in getting this stuff done,
What are you saying it now right? He said it as long as he was president and now now he is very conscious. His supporters, who dare not feeling this way and that they they may seem to be earning their stance about how they were sold a bill of goods. It relates. To you now can, of course, all that other weird stuff about how the Gates Foundation put my grow. The ships in the c mere I don't know. I mean to speak specifically to Pfizer like their big drugs. I think the pants expire, but later you know they, there A lot of drugs like what the tour they have they actually have been in the vaccination. I think the most productive, most profit from their most profitable drugs are forms of vaccine. The new Morocco Vaccinations that your kids have to get up a year before school. They dig bedding
is this for a long time in almost every American is probably used Pfizer product at some point in their life, and there has been the same sort of weird backlash though it is, it is range to me that an end and again the cook covered will be profitable for that company, It isn't by any means. As you said earlier, John, they don't need it to survive their doing quite well without it yeah guys. Let's talk about the Tommy John, as we enter. We have to the hardest of the summer months, Tommy, John has New APOLLO underwear, its most advanced, it was underwear yet with a performance, gray, dry, release fabric when exclusive to Tommy John, it's it's the firms, latest comforted innovation you can't get anywhere else? It's proven to keep you dry run up the seven degrees cooler than regular cotton. Underwear than this does why Tommy John doesn't have customers? They have fanatics up
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Mara WAR on the on Amazon Lotta people are by running it down on Twitter, as far as I can tell, but I really enjoyed it. It is dumb and it is like all time- travel, All these are time travel we re like well, why don't? They just go back to him further years and that there is a line that explains that explains that yeah really might my wife, my sons of my son, whose agenda physics is like that is not possible, or do you think I'm it's silly. It's like failure, like it's silly, fine, inaccurately, unexpectedly touching, but so that that's a thing if you, if you don't mind that that's that's it, that's a good thing to watch. I do want to talk about one There is a documentary called summer of soul, it's on Hulu its proper I'll bet you right now that wins the asker for best documentary next year. it was made by the drama of the room
the leader of the job title Jimmy Fallon, band, Quest, love on mere Thomson, and somebody found video. tapes filled the knights and sixty nine of a cultural festival in April. In Harlem called Bout Morris Park now called Marcus Garbage Park where serve every Sunday ACT came and performed on the stage for a couple of hours and the whole, will, he makes us very portentous point that this was the black Woodstock, but no one was interested in. It was forgotten in the midst of time was where the great cultural them and some history, and You know that with such, such as such noted historians and trustworthy sources of public history like Al Sharp them
and Jesse Jackson, who was seen on stage, discuss the deep cultural importance of this event. So I went to a thinking I would like it and as I say, rapturous reviews it's gonna win an Oscar and by God is it. pouring it is so boring. I may go go what, like its Stevie, wonder singing a couple. Bad songs between when he was little Stevie, wonder and when he started writing his great music. As an adult, though, he's incredibly impressive cousin one one place eighteen years old place the drums and then another pointy plays the keyboards agenda and is at its core. Stephen wonder another sign the family stone and the fifth dimension and very solid, but it is, a boring and then at one point Nina Simone. Who is that who is a very complicated, the figure needest alone, the loud mental health.
problems of other things, read a poem by a friend of hers. That says we should go, kill, white people and blow up old and blow buildings which that love keeps him which, as it is, an act of honesty to keep it and, of course, was to celebrate because it sell my god sound so contemporary. She sounds like something black lives better now, but I've been basically like while concert movies of my experience a little. This goes a long way and that my review of this would be. There was a concert, Nepal, Are there were some concerts and a park in ninety six. Nine and some of the numbers were good and other other numbers were bad, but why? Why does it have to be black, went sack? This is the thing they that that gets me annoyed. Why not just haven't be what it was white, why? The comparison, why did that? I think it was the same summer? Was our number so so Woodstock was July. Nineteen sixty nine and this was join august- maintenance sixty nine and so, but that their interesting games played so like Woodstock was happy.
Million people hit this field right in in in in upstate, New York or in the cat skills? Not not not to push ape, took talk about anything in the cats girls, but so in the cat skills. There are five thousand people doing drugs policy. Is this like insane of that right and then there's this event, which they say three hundred thousand people attended, but that's very fishy because, like there were seven concerts, who came to this park and who knows like who knows how many but were there there adding up all the people who might conceivably have been in this park, like that looks like they're like three or four thousand people in the park? Listening to the concert, everyone's, like all, was so moving. I saw I don't mean to be like, like flip input, but it's sort of like you. Have these acts like him. We looked out. We saw these faces beautiful blonde,
faces and they're all their lives, so beautiful, so beautiful, and all that that's like. Ok, I accept that it's not ear was like a middle class families, really hot, but there they are listening to great music or you know whatever, but I mean it's Harlem. So, like What's so amazing about single out a black faces, a park in Harlem like doubly likes him? Oh, my god, I was there. There was a coup Jerusalem and they're all these jewish waste is, I don't know that You think it's the valor resignation of work for the people at the time who attended they wouldn't have spoken of it. those terms, it is my is my answer that the way and we ve talked about how documentaries manipulate history in a way that makes it a palatable. Whenever narrative. But my question is why this particular narrative it this time. Why not? You know you could look at that conference from a lot of different angles, but this is a kind of clause I grievance angle of like will they exclude from their own? how'd, you know Jimi Hendrix they perform in one document like what
I am glad the family had a fine and nowhere is it s right, and so your sub text is somehow there was an exclusion, but we need our own amazing. You know thing at this. Apart from that, because we're excluded that there was not official exclusion. Let me that its agreed This is the kind of grievance overlay. I think it's straight on. Would like It was obviously like a really nice summer event in New York or free concert organised by the city in a now get a pardon hundred and twenty second and fifth an end, and it was great and you could walk. from your house and go there and then you know see, while these acts do a lot of stuff and and and this is what was cut yeah, but what sort of to the police That was a political. It was a political event. It was actually part of some kind of black is beautiful, black power moment at that
I am also you know, and but it was, it was a different had difference here again. Everything wasn't simply related to you, no sort of like what white tat verses. What blacks had like this is the whole point about the black pearl movement. Was we don't need white people that was that part of that was it's kind of empowerment, message that we have our you. Don't we our own ways. We have our own culture, we have our own music. This is ours, we're beautiful right, black as beautiful, and that that is a different message from you black life in America, is intolerable and awful, and you are denying us every possible advantage. Of being an American through Europe, wide support, see it's weird like, but but but generally speaking, I am also serve interest in the critical reaction because its
I know I've been there. I found a boring, align emotion. I didn't want it specifically because it's not that I find all concert movies born the outdoor concerts of that year. At those movies are Honduras. Because they are there to beg the sounds, always terrible what's going on and there's so full of, like you know, whatever the acts are dealt this black or white there, so full of, like others like him gobbled, the girl about the times and and whatever else, yonder they're they're. Just these like ponderous, shapeless events, but I think something like, but the last walls, for example. This is good constable, so Glass, Walker, the last final concert in San Francisco of the band I've. I have to confess I found that
be boring at the time and then emergence every section. I sought again my son, a pretty boring, also just thought at the lot out, but Woodstock the document, what was interesting about Woodstock is that half the documentary isn't about. What's going on in the stage about what's going on, among these were the text to who went there and then are behaving in our arms on you know esteem, jumping it too much. puddles and there are no bathrooms and disgusting when and all of that, we're? On the one hand, it was to be a celebration of the pseudo incredible youth culture of, on the other hand, it serve tells the truth about just how to ranged sixty is you. Culture was zero at at the same moment, as was true of like Gub Gimme Shelter, which is the males where this documentary about out again. What's what's what's interesting about, it is not what's going on in stage of a lot of is really not what's goin
not in stage being ripped. But this is mostly you know, just sort of like lots of numbers and the point about them in this case. Is that the kind of second rate, they get a second rate members like Only the two best songs are are the fifth dimension, singing Aquarius, let the sunshine in which is kind of a weird song to be performing. You know in in Mount Morris Park at a black power concert, since it was by get out the guys who wrote hair and and find the family stone. Singing everyday people and then there's a lot of other stuff. That's like the second rate versions of things that no one second rate, performances by first rate, performers, glad to the pimps were pretty amazing, also choose so yeah Then she looked so fantastic. Now Gladys might like to make
fifty two years later anyway, but a more struck by the fact that if you now produce a cultural product about but we're dealing with or related to blackness just as is true of you know, white white critics everywhere are disempowered. Firms from sir anything with not you know wildly positive, not that they don't think it cause, I'm sure they think it don't. Wanna kill them disingenuous but if they didn't think it, they wouldn't say it anyway, because the potential past of being being now, give about something so important would be too high a way. Taiwan guys thought hullo. If you get hullo, it's free watch for half an hour, maybe I'm wrong people like it- I don't know I mean I don't like concert movie. So that's maybe it's my weakness.
This was gonna, be short. Now it's run long as unjust blabber mouth. So I what size for that? No we'll be back on on Monday. We're gonna Miss Christine a couple days next week, unfortunately, but to no one we back, and we will be back with you. I have hope you have a wonderful weekend and that it stopped raining here where you, where you are right now, it's pouring where I am and four slash, eight Christine and the absent know, I'm done before his keep the candle burning.
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