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Sex, Lies, and Basil

2021-06-07 | 🔗
Today's podcast points out our continuing cultural confusion when it comes to political correctness, law, and the mistreatment of women before moving on to the Democratic party's insistence that Republicans are trying to destroy the voting franchise. And what spicy thing did Biden say about war? Give a listen.
This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
Welcome to the Commentary Magazine Daily podcast today is Monday June, seventh, two thousand and twenty one. I am John Podhoretz, the editor of Commentary magazine. We invite you to join us at commentary magazine dot com, where we give you a few free reads and then asked you to subscribe. That June issue is still up and glowing on the website. You can read its contents if you subscribe so much.
Stuff on there, and two of its authors are with us today from that issue, Senor Writer, Christine rose high. Christine hygiene and associate editor nor Rossman, high Noah, Hydra and, of course, with us, as always, executive editor, a breed while high ape hodgen jet, just at what want to throw a couple of things out that have literally nothing to do with God. Contemporary pollen takes what suggest something about how the world works that can work in different ways from the way we think it works. Weird little piece of news. Ok, that you would thing does not matter to them,
Listen to us that involves the con film festival, convert vessel, the most notable film festival in the world, the place where movies go to you now get launch to get critically acclaim there's a whole market where people sell things by things, and there is a big competition for who's. Gonna win the big words, and I was announced today that the opening film of the conference festival is a french film, the name of which I dont remember about which starts girod their produce. And why do I mention this jar? Tempered, you probably France's biggest a mail from star of the last forty years, was charged with rape
summer at twenty twenty at his everything in the seventies. Now I mean it's not surprising that you're different you would be charged with rape as it many interviews over the last forty years. He has said things like I used to rape people all the time. That's what we did is we re pretty rape, women, rape, rape, rape and his publicists would say: no, he didn't mean it. He doesn't need rape whatever, but apparently has now been arrested were charged with an eye. I bring this apple because I read it like a couple minutes just before we came on and am bill, I'm I'm flabbergasted because you know I thought that this sort of thing wasn't really possum let more I we heard about France over the last year that there was this. You know incendiary book. There came out about one of the leading figures of the french literary scene
who was a pedophile or even a feeble file? Everyone call it at a memoir by a woman whom he had started statutorily raping when she was thirteen or fourteen had this guy's, whose democratic member also you know hotly defended himself on the granted. This is what I meant women are like and that this is how things were and how they are sorry should feel so good about it, but whatever- and you know that the first impulse in in France as well life was to come circle. The wagons around him and the ito hampering argues that this is the reckonings reckoning for France and apparently it's not because the ends of the conflict vessel decided to program film, storing of France's wings, but who is
it's like Bill, Cosby sort of be like. If you you know, if you like we're gonna, have out about the sun that some festival I went, Cosby have been arrested, charge. You know with those crimes and not connected, and here
the movie star the vessel. So but I think that is the first time female director I think of his movie, which has the ironic title robust. So, yes, everywhere, I am only bring this up because its horrified, I dont, think it has a larger meaning. I mean I, I think, maybe one way in which one can talk about how it has a larger meaning. Is this we are very focused on the dangers and threats of council culture and the ways in which a lot of us, the ways in which the me to movement instantly went too far turned into a star chamber. Accusations became convictions, people lost their jobs on the basis of rumour unconfirmed rumour. We all do people who were whose
lives occurs, were destroyed on the basis of very questionable accusations. There is a lawsuit going on right now between one of the people who was says he was slandered on this web document called the blank media, Manless Stephen Elliot, who claims that more than again, the person who organise that destroyed his life and destroyed his career and needs to be held accountable for that, because he did not do whatever it was alleged. He had done this list, and all of that is. It is terrible and, on the other hand, some there something that needs to be acknowledged ah the right about the nature of cultural figures in the west. Over the last sixty years,
the years and not only their massage any, but some weird alliance of convenience according to which, thus sexuality of women, and particularly young women, particularly women under the eight girls under the age of eighteen, were a subject of not protection. But a serve like leering. grossness and am a kind of a low Jia or support for treating them as fully sexual beings, rather than as maidens, who deserved social protection on the right is not acknowledging that even I even on the basis of partisan terms, the meeting movement extirpated, mostly powerful men and protected it protected by institutions, We're on the left. That's absolutely letter, leaning sympathies, the need to by bill
bill. Riley's extirpation from Fox NEWS predated the meeting about two years right. Ok, that's perfectly fine point, I'm we're talking anecdotally at my own, my own universal, my own world. I bit, I think, Noah makes an important point like who who is and who was, who who was finally taken down Rather, the meta hearty wine steam noted democratic donor, repaid every. We now have lower half a dozen people in culinary artists and railways, institutions that arms centre left in ethos, if not run out in the directive. But we can, I think, there's a descent. There's a larger pointed talk about your. It's also that europe- and perhaps France in particular, is not, open to the kind of self correction and self criticism that Americans for art can perpetually you know all about. This serve. You are making themselves better and
more humble, of course, and UNICEF willing to do this the reputation for American Lester in there and their willingness to dictate to US first there is that there is in fact, I think, a much more self critical tradition in this country. Then Europe longshot, well. There's a grand tradition. Isn't there in France a mocking american puritanism enduring? I meet you movement that that came to the fore again, so it's not a surprise. The dipper do, who, besides being a famous french celebrities, isn't really exley commodity for the french film making industry, and I do think John there's one part of your point that I think is true in it. It doesn't really have a left right distinction. It has an industry verses, commodity verses. Non commodity distinction is that that that the things that the meat to movement were trying that that it was trying to root out the things
I think, no matter what cited put a while your aren't, you can agree with the massaging the abuse of power that has not had a thorough accounting in the entertainment industry, for example, I think the weird uproar over that Netflix show cute it showed that the hyper sexual liberation of young women continues apace. Many them doing it to themselves on Instagram an only fans there hasn't a real cultural reckoning with with that, even as the meeting movement took a few had to put him on the wall, I mean I just think, there's an interesting thing about the the turn in the national culture that began sort of in the fifties only attributed to the sixtys, which is A combination of the idea that it was time to put aside all of this puritanical focus on purity in virginity. In the end, at the
all of that and serve let loose let loose. the suppressed soul of peoples or Freudians kind of post royalty and idea. You know we were all living in repression, the repression produced neurosis and an end up and apathy and depression, and that you know we needed to figure out ways in which to accept our true.
animal natures, and all of that you move on then to cover the libertinism of the nineteen sixties and nineteen seven, these that that kind of emerged from a lot of that, and but the weird thing is the culturally its return of the council. First of all, culturally, this expressed itself in it in it in it, in an astonishingly sniggering fashion, like the sex comedies of the nineteen sixties, all of which were and a hideous. This terminology is it's like in giving in to the enemy sort of, but all which were focused on the Objec
vacation of women and the notion that you know who boy you know: Raquel Welsh, Kim know how rainwater put it down to the sort of sex comedies of the nineteen, seventeen, portuguese and animal house and stuff like that, all which had the most astonishingly disrespectful treatment of women and women sexuality, all of which were done by people who get oh, I'm sure you know were respectable unreliable, progressive voters and did not see any disjunction between their marketing of these kinds of images, the ideas with their progressive politics. In fact, they thought that they were kind of similar. You can also say that there was a whole world of feminism in the ninety nine, these that got of wildly confused in relation to this also
ere. It was deemed to be empowering to be- Stephen Aguilera singing about how I'm a genie in a bottle. You gotta rub, be me the right way or Katy Perry being a teenage dream, or I mean either alliance that still, but all that still exists and is, I think, a ramp up? If I don't think it's, I honestly don't its wrapped up. Here's. What culturally interesting is that you have this weird world in which the two in the biggest are the biggest singing star of the last three or four years. Billy eyelash was a teenage girl, though she is now I would just in her look. She came out wearing Aggies shirts punk, gee hair? Not do sexual lies herself to an, whereas
again became level these stallion and where I mean, I think you have it all you how she's she's still the exception and not the rule who makes money in the industry and hook culturally kind of mainstream middle brow, culture embraces as as soon as the song of summer when the right, but also JANET, you remind people that when you're talking about what can I do, film, culture, media that the Seventys and ended, but that you have come up. Pornography and who was in line with that. stuff. I mean Larry Flint was a hero of left right, right, Well, he was a hero of certain rights, so this is where it all everything gets a wildly complicated. You know: He was a year of the left, accept that there was a corner of the left, feminist left. That said, not only is pornography and evil, but it is the poorest expressed.
Of heterosexual male desire and therefore heterosexual, beheld desire is itself an evil. You know that also in old Susan Browed Miller, essentially all sexes, rape or all male driven sexes, rape and therefore so all, but a lot of that confusion. A lot of this, these cultural messages you have to go with there was up until about five seconds ago. The general perspective of the left was that the right, whatever? Was it like to favour the ridge of it? Did this and it did that and it was all Oh a drag, it was. There was a drag. Nobody wanted to have any fine. Nobody thought that sex was fine. Nobody thought that flirting was fine and you know like good rebel. Dree was fine and other just so awful it or any hypocritical, because of course, then,
pastors are out. Having you know, Jimmy Swaggart is out having sex with a secretary, and all of that so they're, just hypocrites and they're prudes and they're drags right, and then you come to this moment which the lions of culture you know are are the only not that the council has the line of culture to just suggestive of some two, how hard it is to peel this. A way not long ago, a cases of chapter sex, but I've been thinking about this very Ok. This is chapter nine months chapter six of no is forthcoming book. So, if you're gonna, You're gonna be self referential eve at least gotta do not let a workshop. Ok, there were actually. This is around its courtesy, letting you gonna look to Europe. but generally gas, the to end the war on fun. At the two of these theories,
complimentary, only in so far as you could think that you know there's still that sort of effort to these stigmatize libertinism on the political left in so far as Yes, sir, it's the Heron normative sexual relations are still hegemonic and anything that attacks that hedge, a monarch idea, is valuable. Quit the constellations and Polly hammering in half a dozen other sexual orientations which are proliferating at a rapid rate. and also this kind of protectionist priggish means that a celebrated in popular culture now as a very puritanical impulse in the two of them are complex, we only in so far as they see human relations
extension of political activity and that all forms of human activity in every aspect of society needs to be useful to the moment to the movement, to the plot, to the politics that they want to project. So in that sense, the other kind of apps commodious approach for sex is very much the an answer as Natasha winner talking about how we can accept a revolutionary act. Pollyanna is a revolutionary act as all revolutionary actions, none of its about fun. all of its about whether you believe and what you want other people to think about it. You know to this point, although you know one of the things about the way people talk about. You know Polly, Emory and stuff like that, is that it gets what do but of a bit you Michael Bridge was a fine. It's like this is all about people just trying to find connections and and
being in love it. Why can't three people get married? I mean marriages, love love is love. You know you can choose we love and hay and whose to judge and all that it's not like oh man, You know we are liberating the human animal from all of the restraint that was the sixties right. That was we're liberating the human animal from the strait jacket of conformity and bourgeois society. This is like you can be just as bourgeois and live in a three couple, but Betsy disruption There is a further step. The thrust of the world went to taken. That's the demand in this is to know as point and he's actually read about. This is the demand for rights for all of these things, it's not just live and let live as it was. Perhaps in the sixties, it's I'm. transgender girl, I'm a transgender woman, and I want to compete against other girls who were born female in sports, and
my right to do that, and they don't have any rights, my rights trump theirs they did. The clash of rights in the private sphere has become incredibly intense and just as our polarization increases. Something no is right to say that these things become. he'll, try you see old school feminist tried fences, their traditional family is fighting. You know transgender rights activists. You see a lot of issues on which, just as we saw with pornography, what they can do, a feminist fighting me andred, workin types, the battles of always got on board now, they're they're done in the language of rights, but that where there is a real divorce from the Playboy philosophy. From Africans. His work, which emphasised emphasised not just rights enumerated rights and we're not talking about Congress. I told you about justice social conventions that
led to the maximum maximum limitation of freedom on all fronts, and this particular conversations about limiting freedoms. First, certain people, right workers, rights always, but the rights always involve. Someone else has to recognise or accept what I am am, Intending and when what I'm doing this, this requires work on other people's parts red. That's my right right anyway, this is a very we're in kind of conversation. Does it out? We are happy Monday hopeful, we are hopelessly confused about. This unit is reflected in this peace that you know sort of went viral yesterday by the gate of this the recruits to the war rolled up what you might call the audio concern it is another matter of weakness. Michael power of the New York Times, who was an urban calmness sportswriter stuff, was now a sense
Lee covering woken up for the times and had a huge piece about the american civil resumed yesterday, in which he finally explored the first major media exploration of the fact that the American Civil Liberties Union is no longer interested in this, the key than the civil liberty, that is, the surpassing of liberty of the United States, which is freedom of speech. It's more interested in other broader, writes that I suppose you could say work under the umbrella of civil liberties. If, if you insist- but you know the most notorious example being the trends gender, lawyer chase strange YO, saying that his golden life was to suppress El Schreyer, irreversible damage, like an official of the efficacy of accuse me of the issue
you saying that what he wanted was to make sure that a book with suppressed and was not allowed to be published, which was one of the most orwellian moments of all time, is of course, the main issue at the ACL you when I was growing up was what did it mean for a liberal organization to defend the right of Nazis marching and the whole point was if you're gonna be consistent if you're gonna per if you're gonna say your purpose is the advancement of civil liberties and particularly speech, you cannot must embrace the you are. You are in no position not to embrace the logical extremes of your you were in order to defend my right to publish you actually have to defend the right of Nazis to March, and you know
in the long run, even though a lot of people Worley upset about the right of Nazis to March had Skokie. There was a great deal of truth in that understanding, because once you say that there are higher values, then speech. There are higher values than speech and therefore that value can be whatever people say. It is at a given moment. It could be the right of Jews not to be offended by nazi marching or the right of Abigail Schreyer them right of a Trans General, a transgender people to suppress the publication of books that I do think that data like this, that this is where I mean it's, a strange, turned the pieces actually heartbreaking to read. If you care about civil liberties in Portugal, we care about the first amendment. It's it's just did it's really. reported, as you did a great job, but The internet has taught us that everybody's a Nazi too someone. So it's a strange. It is strange turn for just a moment where speeches even more important to protect and everybody's right to have open debate
should be protected, but you do have the progressive left turning far more authoritarian and its in its trajectory for what to do, because they. They call it a and the so your officials that were interviewed the peace use this alot, they call it national and sometimes physical harm to people that caused by speech by words. That's the real turn that that this idea of emotional and physical threat that word speech, can cause what you know ably the interesting reflecting on, and what now is saying is that there was this idea that particularly in relation to Charlottesville and the advocacy of the if a ceo, I gather sorry, SL you in it. Virginia of the right of the martyrs to March a child swill that they had chosen the wrong side and the whole point about a commitment to what's a constitutional ideal or where we want to call. It is that there are no sides, you're not taking sides,
you are arguing for a first principle, and there are, both sides and first principles- I mean There- are possible emendation, first principles with Is the great argument over whether you can shout fire in a crowded movie, theater, crowded, Opera house right, that's their complications and that's what like all Tom Buddhistic? You know the Tom would exist as centuries of argument about absolute device, laws and where they need to be what made more elastic to account for weird exigencies of human nature and existence, but in this case We're talking about the literal idea that there is an organisation that stands for. One thing that is with any shame or any sense of that, there's a anything different going on. It is now supposed to
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the Democratic Party autopsy on the results of the twenty twenty election, which you would think give would mean not topsy for there's no corpse Democrats, one they one. You know they remain in control the house they by the narrowest margins, control the Senate, and they want the presidency by four and a half points sub. Why would they need not topsy? They want well, This very considered study done over six months says that they trouble and that they recognise that their trouble that they were almost done in by a surge in white voters to trump. In that happen, pretty late in the game and that the thing that is poisonous and threatening to them over the long term, as we talked about
is goes against. The principles rubric is the words defined the police, so the the adoption by the poor, already of radical ideas about crime, criminal justice and social order. In the absence of eight organizing principle like we need to get trump out of office, are gonna, be very threatening to them. And what I was struck by in this peace. As Democrats in in the course of beginner read the peace went through was a kind of.
Lead of complaint that you know Republicans said made Hey out of all this: defend the police stuff which isn't real and yet they use it against us, and then we got nail. So it's like it's. The closets lay Republicans pounce thing who made to fund the police a thing: did I make to fund the police a thing they made to fund the police? A thing the phrase to fund the police emerges from it laughed serious candidates for office who were not blocked on their goal or their aim to rise into Congress, and all of that ran on this is a platform in cities across the country from Corey Bush winning in, I think the most notable case. Corey Bush, they had a black lives matter in Saint Louis
who believes that the effort that the police are evil- ah, you know, runs and winds and the squire adopted. There are dozens, if not hundreds, of progressive politicians at the local and eight levels who are pushing for, at the very least, the reallocation of monies that go to police departments into social work and social efforts at all that the peace that literally called defined the police. A republican talking point yeah, I'm I mean you know talk about Gaslight it like I'll, give it that, but here here's what you need to do, what it doesn't do is start with a bright framing is that the line that struck me was the one where you have a democratic operative saying the Democratic Party has some ways lost touch with our own electorate? There's the assumption that there is an assumption that, of course, people of color or the working class are going to vote for Democrats
You can never assume anything as if the Abbe. This is always that the fact that they have for decades assumed just that, while pursuing policies that actively harm those same people has now front in centre. There dealing with in particular with deepened the place, but you see it with voting rights. Are you Did you see a lot of other things as well? So I it's a fact that the Democratic Party has itself shifted so far to the left. It there shot that did the reliable voters they thought would just Europe always vote full details that are now going wait a minute neighborhoods falling into crime in disorder, things if no one's responding, To this end, yet you're telling me that it's because of white diplomacy- ok, this doesn't scare what's fascinating to me- is- is the fact that maybe you should consider this. We ve talked about this over the years. The cost of liberal called.
We'll dominance. So there are no voices in the in democratic years. There's no one walking behind them, as they march relentlessly swore institutions and dominate our cultural. You know, high watermarks of someone saying Caesar, thou mortal there's. Nobody saying are you really sure Do you want to say that? Is that really a thing, because you know power is not eternal and an end. Cultural dominance is you know, know assured forever and all of that and you need to husbanded and protect it, and that's one of the reasons that people don't embrace the extremes of their arguments but try to find some kind of middle ground at the very least not to give their opposition ammunition to foment the very conflict against them. That will take them out of office and Democrats.
No anti bodies against their own enthusiasms, like we do every time anybody says anything on the right they come at us and in know. Granted. You know this this. This idea of took a bit of a beating during their Trump years law that, but your forced to strengthen Europe's position like you can't just you know it's like you can't just say ah and come and get away with it. If you're gonna make an argument that is then gonna to be caricatured, part of the trick is to make it clear that your argument as more sophisticated than that not only then, then it's sounds like, but then you're that your caricaturist themselves understand when they blonde, they get a Macarthur genius Grant Rowing rather yeah, ok, fair enough right, but as a result, but the Macarthur Genius Grant
that's the how many divisions does the Macarthur Foundation have. You know I mean seriously that is in the end politically you can get everything you GAD and you're still a position: the United States, where Republicans and twenty twenty one twenty six hundred counties and Democrats, one seven hundred counties now the seminary cavvies they want, or vastly more populous, that the overwhelming majority of the twenty six hundred counties that Republicans one and that's why they won the presidency and that's why Biden could get eighty one million votes, That said, that is still a division, and just because you don't feel it in bushwhack you don't feel it. If your Alexandria, Cassio Cortez, doesn't mean it's not there and doesn't mean that if you are actually interested the maintenance and further ants,
of your parties power and its ability to get some of the things done that you wanted to do that. You don't just relentlessly push it for there are further and further away from the centre and end. So I mean that the this this piece is a guide map to why Democrat that's under trajectory that thereon are going to lose everything and twenty twenty two I been there
they're gonna be slaughtered. Twenty twenty on this trajectory its June twenty twenty one. So you can't say that all this stuff doesn't doesn't change, but if you look at the panoply of vicious, if you look at rising crime rates, if you look at rising crimes tat, if you look at that rhetoric that they're using, if you look at the constant hammering on the notion that America is a bad country and that the people that the that seventy two percent of the american people who were you know who are identified as white R r operate by unconscious systemic evil in the form of racism that permeates there very beings. You are alienating people without winning. Anybody knew what that's, where you get into Trump lot right, what we say about trumpet twenty seventeen he needed to expand his banks, not regret, not reduce it, because it was a large enough to win him. A second election.
And the Democrats in the House of the Senate need to expand their reach, not reduce it, because all the The relevant evidence is that they don't have enough people, on their side who were going to drag themselves over glass to to vote in November twenty twenty two and at worst there talking themselves into the notion that if and when they lose, that it's gonna be a by product of voter suppression, efforts, animal be illegitimate victory but, That sounds like right. Well, this is an important point also because so you have you, have this interesting, dynamic, Joe Mansion. Center from West Virginia Rights, an Ipad publishes it in a West Virginia paper saying I am not going to eliminate the filibuster and I'm not going to support this radical effort to nationalize elections and in in in HR.
Was called HR one. Eighty one now ass one right now and when this was introduced. The court for the people act in twenty nineteen. It was a statement of principle that was never really designed to become law because it so blatantly nakedly unconstitutional. Among the many things that it does is enforces states to adopt a nun. Artisan, so called your by partisan, redistricting, commission switch. The supreme Court is very unlikely to favour it introduced a provision that will establish taxpayer back matching funds for federal campaigns, which the Supreme Court already struck down on us on a state level in a variety of other things. That basically said, relies state level elections which anybody with us, of constitutional propriety. Would now either way you don't even the muster. Yet you don't
they need. A sense of councils will propriety. I will read you the sentence in the constitution that didn't indicates that the vast majority of what is in age are one is unconstitutional quote the times, faces and manner of holding elections were senators and representatives shall be prescribed in each state by them. legislature thereof, but the Congress may at any time I'm by law, make or alter such regulations, except as to the places of choosing senators. So the point here is that Congress may make at any time by law, alter such regulations or make such regulations, except as to the places of Jews and centres But that is a subsidiary clause and we have two hundred and forty years of american jurisprudence that says. Congress doesn't make the rules about how local elections are conducted. There is
no precedent for the ideas that are expressed, except in some of the language of regulations, of the Voting Rights ACT, which were you know, intended to to make sure you don't put that put some elections in some races under federal stewardship in some cases by. decree and not by you, know, simple simple. A federal or free Clarence revisions were abrogation of the constitution and, first that the Supreme Court, just as and when they had to evaluate these. This issue, which came before the multiple times, said that this was not a bad thing that could be done in perpetuity It had to be revised, precludes had to be revised in order to to meet constitutional muster and Mr Klein to do that, and so the Supreme Court acted with resident after precedents, this is congresses. Job Congress can't wait around forever. That's mostly in the mainstream press, which are
far more left, then the party they seem to represent our spry try to speak for us. Convince themselves that all these state level efforts to ratify to codify the efforts made in two Twenty two make falling easier on or somehow but then appear back those restrictions which were emergency restrictions. Emergency efforts. Is it worth intimate ruined any twenty to address the conditions of the pandemic that trying to codify some of those things, but also pair some back like, for example, and Harris County whereas accounting taxes, acts of workers which is had drive through voting, for example, and twenty four hour voting, the sort of thing that you could justifying in it in an emergency. But you can't justify forever, and so this is being fought and, as our Republicans are trying to abrogate the rise of municipalities, to determine what they can again do and it's an assault on democracy. There,
talking themselves into this condition that has now led them to talk about your mansion. As, though he's a subversive as though you are going after democracies throat. This is the The majority maker will that's a faint jobs, so it still emergency to that right I mean it's, it's that's it. It's a different merchants while any assault franchise. Israel ok, but less, let's not even look, but it is. the version of democracy and try to make a brief point here: the Disney subversion of democracy in twenty nineteen Texas, also when, after where and when, after a particular provision that was really of noxious, these pop up voting stations, which were designed to subvert democracy directly, district officials went on there? They have one day boy. They pop up these voting poles and the goals which would be right in front of a bigger in your place that that was known to be about the democratically elected democratically. And then the appalling place would disappear and they wanted to get rid of that, and I did successfully get rid of that. But the desirable
sort of thing was not to enhance democracy. It was to subvert democracy right. Why voting right well active application of Poland places? I may look, there's too the main thing here is that there is an argument that tromp publicans want to subvert democracy. That is a That is something that needs to be dealt with right. I mean that as what trumps behave, After the election calling into question the legitimacy election. Whatever happened on January. Sixth, all of that that is it. That is a thing about the deal generalization of our system that is very threatening and frightening. What we are talking about here when people talk about the legislation in Georgia and Texas and other places to codify voting rules is stuff. That is the result of our democratic system. I e legislation is written in the house
you know in a legislature at state level. It is goes through a process of being voted on by legislators who were elected by the people. It then goes to an elected governor who can sign it or veto it, and it is signed. That is democracy. If you don't like it, you don't like what the provisions are tough. This happens all the time I dont like them. I don't like the Cares act. It passed, it was signed by the president is legitimate. What's not legitimate is things that are done by fee out that do. I have the democratic process involved in them, and the state legislatures have the right to design the place manner in time of the elections four senders and representatives, and that is what the constitution says in this art this effort, to a wide efforts to deal
gentlemen, elections through populist claims that they were destroyed or poisoned with actual legitimate process than democratic, legitimate process at the state level of the way we pass laws- and they become law is infamously bad and once again can be used by both sides and will be used by both sides. You start opening this pandora's box and anything you want to pass through the legislature, any then you want we'll all he'll be illegitimate. The eyes of the people don't like it that is this is it legitimate zation process. That is what that is what elections led to legislation that is then saw it out than then. Goes through a legislative is signed by an executive and then somehow passes constitutional muster in the courts.
That is how our system works. That's the real workings of democracy, not the vote, not the franchise, the franchise as a whole different matter and it's a complicated matter, and I happen to think that republicans are nuts about their terror of other of a more open franchise in a more open election system, though I am much more myself, I'm very sympathetic to the notion that We have destroyed some of the civic importance of elections by distending them over time that we don't have election days any more in the same way and that that's bad, because this was one of this was a Democrat. This was the only democratic ritual that we had Was the idea that everybody goes to vote on the same day or you can even make it two days? I don't even care that is a democratic and annual democratic ritual, or you know more than as a primary and stuff like that,
and we have to wear ruining at an and that that will have terrible consequences. I think in the name of expanding the franchise, simply because people find it more convenient to vote whenever they want to well. Tough, like you know, you want to fully birds debate in our country than you go and vote on election day, but I lost we lost that argument. So that's how I feel, but nonetheless That's where we are, and you know what else we are, and this is not our franchise. This is not our system, but Israel system, I wanna talk to you about dancing North Podcast Posts Corona, because Dan has a really fantastic podcast. This week, an interview conducted a couple years ago, actually with Natali Bennet, who was poised
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in the new. Much were caught. All is undermining democracy. There were all over the weekend. We, we ve, seen a lot of overheated rhetoric on the progressive wings a party targeting Joe Mansion and no ignition that that actually getting rid of the filibuster isn't even popular among Democrats when, when Denmark and people who identifies Democrats are pulled on the issue, the filibuster more than half say that it should say you like it so I'm curious as to why This is at all a strategy that they think is going to be effective, demonizing the swing vote in their own party and and calling him Mitch, Mcconnell and and pushing for appalled see that even their own voters don't support. I I say that I'm not trying to be naive, but it seems absolutely insane a strategy. We're ok,
if you follow the evolving prescription. That Congress is now platform, rather than your Congress exists as an institution to serve as a platform for individual people to make themselves famous sort of pushed their own positions, rather than a moulding it up thing that moulds people into participants in a larger system, as this is the perfect example of it. So Jamal Bowman is a freshman congressmen, a person of no standing, very little standing whatsoever and somehow he has now been elevated into a kind of like combatant with Joe Mansion, who was governor of West Virginia, who has been a senator frothing eighteen years, something like and who was among the most interesting and complex politicians in the United States, because he is a Democrat and a state the Trump one. By forty points. and given the exigencies of the twenty twenty election Democrats should be other hands,
these thanking God for Joe Mansion, because he has no business being in the Senate. He's honest he's in the most republican state in the country, and he is a Democrat who was serving their his existence. There has given them control of the Senate, that's why they have control the Senate and guess what that speak. So the entire cultural asset is in the hands of somebody, who represents a republican state, anomaly republican state, but the trumpets state in the country they wouldn't have it otherwise Joe Manson's Joe Mountains view the filibuster, all that would it would be of no consequence otherwise, because they, wouldn't be in the majority and Republicans would be in the majority and a lot of what Jamal Bowman might wanna have happened and what might happen if Joe men, says: ok the certain things that can be voted on by fifty one votes, including by
the entire Biden Cabinet, Sub Cabinet and all the people that you have to know that you would have to one. You know: what's the term love music, my advice and consent, are rightly thank. You write, so an adjournment, of course is also fronting for a whole bunch of people right, Maggie Hassen car Senator from New Hampshire, up and twenty twenty two one by a thousand votes. Last time over Kelly, I like not didn't win by eight billion vote. She won by a thousand votes, she's gotta run again in a year that is gonna, be unfavourable. For Democrats, Mansion is doing her, that's the whole service of being the guy who says I'm going to take the heat I know, but you know if it if he didn't she would have to, and she could not eliminate the filibuster for if she was going to have a political future. She couldn't that simple. That's the issue run
it's like XIV eliminates the fell buster and you spend two five trillion dollars because she does it and guess what you know, whoever is run against stir in New Hampshire, like walks in to the Senate in twenty twenty two but Jamal over the sitting. There. Now then, there's this of twitter liberals, you know, which were we all overestimate novice, but it's like. What's the point of being a Democrat if you're gonna be Joe Mansion like yet that's exactly the points he doesn't have to be a Democrat, he could tomorrow walk across Phil Grand did Richard shall be? Did it? People southerners in states that went republican turn went from Democrats and Republicans the ninety nine, these all that I'm just you have an urgent West Virginia right. Just as a democrat right. So what's the story here they should be on their hands in these thanking Joe Mansion, for
keeping their hopes alive unless the strategy isn't is more demand, style purity which, reason which is actually harmed by legislative success, because when you demonstrate your own efficacy like that and the compromises required of effectiveness as a legislator crafting narrow pieces of legislation in committee. Balancing all these interests, competing interests, determining who wins and who loses and anything emerges from committee- has got to be worked out further. If you want to pass, it's very unsatisfying process was really good is to lose to lose. we too have an issue martyred and then to perceive yourself to be a victim of a process that you can't possibly competing because its hopelessly corrupt, ok, that's railways in organizing prince of ok, here's the problem would that ok, first of all, you mentioned Jim demands agenda with centres. Have
Who said notoriously in twenty eleven, he would rather have thirty good conservatives than sixty rhino, Republicans, okay, which is insane right, because if you have sixty run Republicans, you can pass legislation as well, because you, you can get closure on anything but they're not going to want to pass down the line hard right legislation. So you rather have thirty roubles, who can block nothing and stop nothing? and then guess what happened. The jubilee meant he quit the Senate to take a job at the Heritage Foundation from which he was justifiably fired, which they should never have hired him for cause he's an idiot as his own logic here suggests witches Here's what I want powerlessness and an inability do the job for which I was hired. Now I can understand the idea of the platform rather than the moulding institution that you are and why that's good for some, people, but for the vast majority of people in politics, wherever this
The house forded thirty five members sent as a hundred members theoretically their professionals. They want to do a job that this is a job that they do and all I ever hear from people in politics that I take seriously. Is that it's terrible? Because you can't get anything done, you can't get anything done any board used to be that you know you could get. things done. Anyone who was come to the centre to a legislature from say, having been an executive like mansion been a governor then became a senator is often incredibly frustrated by the experience because exec If we can do things and senators cant do anything without you know. Sixth, fifty another centres agreeing to do. It ended the harder you make that the more you turn this body into something useless and pointless and mean that the work that you do is meaningless, except that people common kiss your ring and you get to work
ground, and you get to do something. You know you don't make that much money, and you don't have that much. The thorny and all that and the only a personal by cares about your party is the big guy. You know tromp provide new whoever in and that the independent reputation standing of senators and converse with as much lower than it used to be that used to be in depth, its sources of Power- and I mean that's the one thing about this- is that Joe Joe Mansion is showing people a what it means to be a path a prima centre paragraphs raise one of a hundred people, but he has a great deal of power by circumstance and you're supposed to be reckoned with. at if you're, a serious political movement looking to get things done on your behalf, but their marking it that and that is a change from what we used to see before
used to be the long eyes would come out behind closed doors they neither trying to undermine that power or they would try to work around it. But this is just open mockery of that power. I mean, if in The first time we saw a lot of this work out work its way through in our lifetimes wasn't the nineteen with Newt Gingrich's assault on Bob Michael Robert Michael, who was, who is the long term serving minority leader of the house and and par? The point here is that Michael, who was a agenda the guy from Illinois. He had never served in a congress that was republican. He had never served where there was anything but a democratic majority, and he had figured out ways and in out too, to be key themes: this involves a Gingrich was like. Why are we working with the enemy? We need to defeat the enemy we need to destroy the enemy. We need to go at the enemy and my
goals. Entire Meehan was we gotta work within the constraints we have. We don't have enough power to do that. Engage disciple, let's comp with a long term strategy for power, you can say gingered that was get that's how they wanted. Nineteen. Eighty four, I think a lot of that was secular and had nothing to do with Gingrich's ideas and that he was a bombs are and all that. but when Gingrich targeted Michael and said he was a do, nothing loser whatever Michael was a loser. He was. He was here was the minority leader in the house, and that minority of the house has very little power and he had somehow carved some role for himself and Gingrich to the like that. Mansion is the opposite,
match. It is the king of american politics right now. So what you did it? You gotta you gonna like throw bonds and his face. Why do it for six months? And then, let's see how long he remains a Democrat now granted becomes a rope. And then he got out maybe his power dissipates, because that they're gonna win in TWAIN, twenty two then he'll just be one of many Republicans and Airbus is even more stupid. Is that it's not, as the commission is a Democrat, about standing he's just progressive, right. That's all that they care about. That's all that they want is somebody who's as radical as they are mostly talking about the press because pulls do not suggest that Democrats yards no formally behind this worthing in fact, pull suggest more or less the democratic It is far more moderate, then, every single voice with a microphone twitter and in the press, and until it gave him his every
or else the situation as it is a good steward of democratic, interesting votes with the president's he supports, as parties interests supports their third appointees when he does support our efforts to remake the social compact like fundamentally unconstitutional legislate. unlike each are one as one or the the pairing back of the filibuster in order to change the rules of the Senate, what they want, or structural reforms and Japan doesn't want structural reforms and most of it, Ernie doesn't either, but you know your man. She doesn't want. Circular forms well done, sort that they are right. You said by many white guy, but I think you know, therefore I think then I should love for him to switch parties, especially if it is primarily the press that behind this right I mean that's, that's that's the greatest. You know gift ever that's the story, that's the that's! The dead You then you ve got. There will see. We were right, we get now we get to target this turncoat
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