My name, is Robert Kara, really cautiously optimistic about being no Brian's friend your phone is working on the fence. Hello there and welcome to Conan O Brien needs friend. This is the show where I very desperately is the podcast format. To make people be friendly to me first an hour at a time the knee we get away

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who never seen headphones that are tweed if he has tweed headphones God pretty funny score one for Conan. As for you I'll give you that son of a louder, I thought you'd be on your best behaviour today. You know what you think. I would be on my best be here, because this is a very, very, very special episode of Konrad Brian needs. A friend I've been pursuing my next guest for years. Years and years and years sounds threatening, New York Times referred man is the White Whale too a hub, which means it will end up, killed, me. Is considered by many many people to be one of the greatest biographers of all time for his crown breaking work on Robber, Moses and his many books on Lyndon Johnson. Well the impasse. What happened? He is here sitting

across from me. He can escape. Ladies and gentlemen, Mister Raddle carry you know the story that I've been trying to hunt you down to get an interview with you for years, and I don't think you even knew that no more publisher arranges things and I never even heard the idea of your publisher, apparently really hates my guys, if I and probably for good reason, but I'm just gonna appear I'm sure I have many listeners who are very familiar with your work, and I am sure I also have many listeners were very young, who haven't read your work are familiar with your work and I want stop for just second and say. For God's sake,

Do yourself a favor. Sometimes I think people freeze up when they hear historical biography of historic work. They think Liz is going to be dry. This is going to be homework and Carol has done. Is he has figured out a way to write history in a way were you read it and you feel like you're, reading a gripping novel Oliver true he's a stickler for the facts, but it's so well written that your heart is in your mouth at times when you're reading these accounts, you ve, in about Robert Moses, who enter did you, because you found yeah, but he was probably the most powerful man in the history of New York, but he had never been elected to anything you're. Nobody really knew how he had this power, but this is the man that, if you are in New York City, you cannot probe

fifteen feet without running something that Robert Carol build. What a robber Carol build a rabbit another as our really into my research. I know it was you that, but I'm sorry, Robert Moses, He built everything you can imagine in your city. He built six hundred and twenty seven miles of express worsen paupers if driving on gonna highway in or around New York City or suburb you're driving on a road built by one man, Robert Moses, if you're on a modern bridge, the truck there is also the tribe euro, etc. You're driving on the bridge. He built you're an appeal, if you're in a porter and pork, that he is creating or we shape. You know he built so much in New York that when he was with the New York City, public housing authority, he didn't even include what down there in his resume. But in fact he built a part

four hundred and forty eight thousand people, so that city is shaped by this one man who, as you say, was never elected to anything. That is a book called the power broker this book is absolutely riveting, its beautifully told and what I'm doing right now, I'm going back and listening to the audio books ever listened to the audio book of any of your act actually or have you know what they got some very good till I understand, is very good, and so I have it here. In LOS Angeles, you have to drive everywhere it takes forever and I put on the power broker a few weeks ago, and I listened to it when I'm driving around and it reminds me how well the book is written, how great

The story is- and I also know that it will never run out. I can, I think so. I can listen to this. For twenty years there really long, one Bates and asking their parent we'd have a very good reader yeah we're the little british accent. You hear my action programmes. Are you your eyes? And yes, I said to my asian ones. Can I read this one? She said, then the price will go down. You gotta pretty, think me arc accented area, so they they didn't want you ring so yeah you also. You have just one world class. For your writings about Linda, Johnson, starting with the first book path to power again I know I sound like a school teacher, but I would implore peoples were listening, go out and get this book get on your kindle or get the book on tape, get the power broker and get started and listen to the story of

young guy, Lyndon Johnson and its aims. Lastly, and evil floor. You because we If we manage to do is right, as I said, you'd you right, history in a way that puts you there. You really feel like I under stand this kid Lyndon Johnson. I understand what it's like. Live in the whole country and taxes. At that time, you have a lot of empathy for these people that you write about. We talk a little bit. That last night. But your sense of place, you're right about Lyndon Johnson, you moved you decide, it. I can't write about this guy unless I move to the hill country in taxes and live there. Your wife is with us today I know as was also does the research and is such a powerful force in your creative life. She said: ok, let's do it

she didn't quite say that she said why can't you do a biography of Napoleon there. Of course, he said sure everything eyes of my answer: TAT historic figure who lived mostly in the south of France and eight alive, delicious vestries. To really understand him. Robert Heroin, China had to eat all those paced his yes, he lived in a castle and I need to live in a gas, no you're right about someone who lived in the whole country and you didn't set out to go into this kind of detail, but one of the things it just was so remarkable in that first book is you went back to their home country and you wanted to really understand how hard it was for people to live. This was big. There was. There was no electricity and the whole country when Lyndon Johnson born and grew up. He was the one that brought electricity there. You spend a lot time relief,

figuring out what a day was like for someone who lived and yet will surely is really the story of poverty? Yes and loneliness the loneliness out? There was something that I couldn't understand, because I grew up in New York City Johnson lived out in the Johnson Ranch, which is really in the middle of nowhere, one corner that ranch came down to what they call the Austin Fredericks were highway below. Is IRAN paved run it road between Orson Register, an looming branches. Little brother used to tell me how he in London would down in search at the court on the corner of that fence, closer to their role in the hope, one new rider or a carriage would combine. Have one new person to talk to Couldn't you will understand that loneliness or, as you say, the poverty there no cash. There you go dying for those issues.

All the dozen experts or how to sell them in a place called marble force, which is twenty three miles from Johnson City. So friend of Lyndon Johnson? You, gardening unquiet, told me how every Saturday market day he'd Roy those twenty three miles, carrying a dozen eggs in a box in front of him holding the box in both cancel that they wouldn't break. I should I'm not understanding these people and I'm not understanding Lyndon Johnson with you just going to have to move there and trying to learn what it was like to live there there was a China and you elaborate yourself from New York you're living in the whole country, one of the affair. His head, because you live there and you stayed there is that the people started to get to know you and then you went from being that guy from New York with the glasses asking a question, questions about Lyndon Johnson. You transform over time into oh there's Bob

Bob Carol. I know him no aware there is China, because the women there were a lot of widows and the whole country. They wouldn't really be frank. You don't talk to me about their personal lives, always like without electricity Ike, we had three preserve a three think trees on our property So are you learn how to make fig preserves and she'd go first with the gift, a fig preserves Mitch and suddenly people got friendly. I note, as Anna continued to make fig preserves action in the market. Those ok, clearly not a fan. There are okay, but not a clear standards. A fake preserves, theirs seen in the book in the first book. The iranian Lyndon Johnson, where the Little point in his life was his father. He looked up to it. Other idolizes Father Lyndon, Johnson, analyzes, father and then like so many sort of almost

big tragedies Father makes a mistake, his father invest in its ranch. The soil wasn't good, ranch and suddenly there broke and one of the things you are able to do and you got out. There is actually see Why that ranch failed? Yes and it's a great story. And I'll tell us, worry so sick Lyndon Johnson idolized, his father. He was legislator in the Texas legislature. He passed a lot of progressive legislation and Linden such another. Happiest days of my life would go out campaigning from farm to form. With my father see, however, even respected him at all. Then Furthermore, as you just said, it one mistake: the Johnson Ranch was covered. What we came, the Johnson Range was covered with beautiful grass. It so be it, for when you drive out there tonight,

so one of Lindens cousin, his favorite cousin ever said what I want. I want to show you something about SAM Johnson and what it means to make to make a mistake. So she drove me to a hill at the edge of the ranch now get out of the corner in the car. She said no kneel down. I knelt down. She said now, Sir, and you start your fingers and you couldn't even get- is the whole thing Europe because it was soul. And you start your fingers and you couldn't even get, is the whole thing fingerprint because it was so little grey ass. There had looked beautiful, but if you try to make a living from either plant, cotton the grass washed away or grace cattle or the cattle laid it down. You couldn't, anything with it. In an instant as you just put it, they were broke from the about the age of fourteen. Before the became the laughing stock of town and they live

in a little house in Johnson City that every month, Linden was afraid of the bank was going to take me away and they often didn't even have food in the house, because the mother was also orphan set Sony is how to bring covered dishes? There his feelings toward his father changed to one of absolute conflict, the rest of his boyhood yeah, there's a great Seen you talk about the book with it. You got out of Linen Johnson's brother, where the Father in London are fighting bitterly at the table and the other is demeaning Linden saying I'd college material? You're, not you not come Maturing you're gonna be a failure. And lending snaps bag woody. You you and you just a bus inspector. Can you read that exchange and needs it like you're reading, a classic play adds Willie Lohmann its death of a salesman. It's just. It hits you my guide, this terrible disappointment that the FAO

let the sun has for the father and the region. The father has for the sound and he may be yet another chance. Yes, that's the truth require something other than this really went on you know there's another thing that just talk to anyone out. There is listening who might think why haven't read these books, but why Lyndon Johnson? What's the significance of Lyndon Johnson? I know he was a president. I know your present during the non, but what what's the matter, significance there. One other thing stands out in one of your book, but one of your books, Stripped the Senate is that until the end and Johnson the Senate didn't function and then he becomes the. But you guys majority leader and then, when he's done being majority leader and becomes the vice presidential of present, but the minister jobs are job, it has never really worked. Since what its Lyndon Johnson had that enabled him to make the Senate work that no one else has been able to crack in the history of our country,

the nature of political genius to me if your interested you're interested himself and how government works, use you're, looking at a genius- and he comes to be majority leader Johns it comes in. He wants the pair civil rights legislation and voting rights legislation, and you, action by vote. Turn send it around are, you really say, could anyone else have done this at that? Sometimes I do that We wouldn't have that voting rights legislation today, if Lyndon Johnson hadn't had this genius for than when George Kennedy is assassinated. On that day, he's proposes wonderful civil rights spill in one speech, but that bill going nowhere was absolutely debt write. The south was not gonna, they were not going to. Let that happen. No, it wasn't going to happen. So

four days after Johnson becomes present in the house to give us first addressed to Congress a joint session of Congress he's not even in the oval office than he still in his private home. Now stairs and kitchen table. Three or four of his speech writers, gathered around trying to write to speeches, comes down here for a while and ask how they are doing in this area. The only thing we can agree on is don't make. Civil rights are priority. You do that you're gonna, win tagging eyes these southern committee chairman they gonna, do to you what they did to Kennedy and eager to stop your whole legislative programme. You know a giant since then, and they say you know it's a noble cause, but it's a lost cause. I don't fight for it Charles and says he says what the hell. The presidency for that I realize speech, she says to them. They're all sitting in front of the whole, all the southern said each year and he says, are for priority is going appear, pay us Jack Kennedy, civil rights spill and you,

I couldn't do that, and you say I say: lose. You could do this. I never knew you could do that you like it. It's a poem of Chad, of real genius yeah, Obviously, we have leaders, can inspire. You mentioned Kennedy and we have you know: leaders like Obama that can inspire, and it's just that there's the workings of the gears and the levers of government that no one seems to be able to figure out anymore and Lyndon. Johnson may have been the last person who saw how it all worked. You called him that he will you find out that he was the best vote counter. He could figure out who was with him? Who is not with him, and he could keep a tally in his head at all times and he that system hum, unlike any more, else. Yes, and no part of it was people were afraid of him and he made them afraid of him, and he was also Lyndon. Johnson was six four and he always

famous pictures, a bunch of them in your books, but they're everywhere of him getting when he went to talk you into something a key today we have his progress. Concept of Personal space is a hundred men about personal space and you dont be invade someone's personal space and he would get chastity asked with people and lean over them and put it finger into there and you look at it now. You think will that there's lots. Its left and right here at Nana suing living and it looks like he's physically assaulted, em, but has just leaning in and covering them like a blanket, never never thought about tat word, but that certainly certainly the case you're. A victim of your own success which is you so enthralled people with these books about Lyndon Johnson ends Our people are waiting for this storm it did. I think takes us from sixty four,

two I'm guessing his death, one nineteen seventy three does he die people want that book. His eyes were coming and you have made it clear that there is a lot of research. You need to do to really right this, including you believe you need to go to Vietnam and in Spain, time there to understand that war and see it from the vietnamese perspective. Is our right and safe food perspective american boys will, for the first time, had a fight in jungles. What that was like NL. We drop more bombs on Vietnam than we do. Fun Germany, nor in world war, two yeah. What talking about doing- is going there and really living at sea? from that perspective in when you do so

In item I'm assuming ion is gonna go with you on this one too. Well, unless she wants to go to Paris, there were peace talks in Paris sign a year ago. I can work on your etc. Thou cover Paris at further that, for me, yet parisian perspective on Paris, and you can do that and I would say at the hotel, George Sack there'll, be, I think, maybe that's rare Kissinger staid and you can be in the jungle what they go for many people, high schools and embarrassing time of life. It can be embarrassing if you had that sooner. I did not. I was an incredible jock. What no captain of Every team, every single sports team. You can't change the narrative captain of every single team by ice

I feel like no one would believe that lost my virginity fifth grade. Ok, I was just incredible, so I don't know, but I told that people have a hard time of yeah. I'm sure with your awkward body see, upsets supper. You seem sorry, usually when people feel really sorry, they laugh so hard. They can't catch their breath. Okay, so now you win, I had some difficulties in high school. Yes, you know I'd it and all smooth sailing what yeah? Ok, that's really funny yeah. I guess the jokes on me yeah anyway laughing at you again. We hear nothing when upon Castillo here. No, anyway, this new show a new show called every, things gonna be ok, and heard the sun. They show up it's it's quite compelling, sir. Sounding there's a cat, character. Her dad is dying

Her gay, australian, half brother moves in two razor, end of the show is called everything's going to be okay and it's these two characters. Matilda and genevieve- and this does not sound like your typical sitcom Matilda has autism and Genevieve is just as someone who's dressed up like a quote child whore widow, and these characters. I guess have all these adventures. I have a half brother Nicholas, there's a funeral. Everyone shows up, apparently they he's got a little off. The hook this may sound depressing, but I'm told this show is really find a watch. I'm sorry, did you see a little off the hook? Yeah! That's that's all. That's always kid say it sounds like it could be depressing, but then it's off the hook. Now, although I used to correct ok yeah, so maybe you're in Kronk village. Why I'm quite content- and I use that equally way where a

I don't throw a hazy over. There are oh, my guide, everything's gonna, be ok! That's the name of the show out of here. I just turned eighty mecca. Premiers January, sixteen thirty, eight thirty, seven, thirty central on free form. That's right! watch all my entertainment free form check it out. Is interesting to me? It's fast ain't me and how much we work. You ve had a kind of b a detective and I didn't could be detective. You ve had to be a detective. You have had to track people down. There is a great part in it. New book working who's. This tested Lyndon Johnson when he was in high school and college is very popular and people just have their. They sound like broken records and they're, just saying oh yeah, a good old linden and go to Linden, but you suspect

There might be more the story than that and you keep asking people keep saying. There's this one guy who really Newland in his advice in white side, Vernon White Side, you says Vernon White side it they say if you could get in know, Whiteside boy did tell you some stories and why people just told you, but that's too bad is he's dead. Yes everywhere, what he was dead because he had Israel and he was gone, but I'm trying to view all the class mates anyway There was saying I heard over and over again all white side. He day day, yeah, that's rollers, that's how I restoring you're always from now, let me take on, but people convinced you he's dead now now to me. If I was a God, thank God

on a reporter or biographer, I would say well he's dead, so nothing we can do about that. Let's move on so one day I was calling it another retried interview every one of his classmates who was still alive, and I call this guide and then was Horace Riches, and I said I wanted to drive down and see him. He live near Galveston and he said well, I don't know the inside of some of these stores with this one guy who did old, Vernon White side- and I said yeah, but all why side he day, urinating funding and Miss said hell. No, he ate date. He was your visiting me yesterday. It turned out, they thought he was dead because he had sold, is ranch, border mobile home and taken his wife for fifteen month tour. Although

up to Alaska of the entire United States, and can I save aware where is she going? You said we know that there were good. You have a permanent mobile home, some place and floor there. He said the only thing I remember was north of my army had beach in its now. So I remember today you have a national telephone directory on your computer. You can find anybody, then you didn't every little town had its own phone book sign or didn't you, your public library. You still have hundreds and hundreds of these little phone books. I remember I nor nice sitting on the floor in this little room where they were looking in every town that had beach in its name north. Florida which has to be hundreds of them, is an awful lot of unknown. We just divided in a month and started calling and interestingly, if I started at the other end on my list. I would found because

suddenly we talking someone in in Harlem Beach, I was holding all mobile home places and she said: oh yes, the white sides pulled in here a couple of hours ago. So if I called a couple of hours sooner, I wouldn't found. I didn't want to give him a chance to say no to me that any wouldn't talk to me. So I jumped on a plane and went there are knocking on the door and this gentleman as I recall it and undershirts? You know. My pain came to you when I said I'm here. I'm writing a biography, Lyndon Johnson that you said all that you want to know about the stolen elections in a college she said come on in and dream come true. I want to know about the time he stolen election in college come on cold, just sat there and he filled in all the confirmed in a all stories. But there is one other thing that I thought you were going to. I know you know about this site,

I'm calling this one woman and she says I don't know why you keep asking these questions to me. Mister Kara miss the key role as you re, ECHO is all there in black and white ass. If all your in black and white, where she said in a yearbook at all, they are what we call it. What we called him above the stolen elections that we call them bowl, Johnson and I'll use. The word ease name was Bull Johnson from Bullshit Piazza study was full of it was his and examine college Pollyanna Johnson, the mayor who later became coined the credibility gap created, could believe among now. So I should. What pages are you talking about and she got her year more? Could she named five pages, so I've been through that yearbook several times that of seeing this and I look and those pages were gone and then you could see someone had cut him out. You know at the very spine of the book, something very sharp like a razor blade,

boy, someone cut the I looked, I found several other copies of the yearbook. The pages were missing finally found one that the pages wherein and all this documentation was there, and I remember thinking what dealing with here. You know I'm dealing with a human being who, at the age of twenty one, was so concerned about his reputation could say his place, the common history. That he has carried out of hundreds of copies of his college yearbook pay. Is that what the rather too were making fun of them more phone call. I things that he did, that made them, not trust them and also who steals a college election I mean that is that tells you so much about Lyndon Johnson in just that sentence, I stolen election in college and end the reason that he didn't tell us a lot about Lyndon Johnson because he

This all I, as he laid out in the Senate, for what gives your power. You know it's interesting because he learned early. If you really need to win an election in its crucial you in an election, you do what you have to do and you you talk about this in one of your books, as a chance to run for Senate, and he realised, as I have just got to win and it's gonna be a very, very close election, but he doesn't any chances and it was always always rumoured that he has stolen it, but there was no proof and people said. You're never gonna find proof, because this is They never put anything in writing and never gonna find it. You never gonna find the proof This is the part worth if you listening and you are a fan of the show, breaking bad. This is the level of drama we're talking about you track down. There's a legendary guys. Is it Louis sell Us Louise Solaces, this legendary, almost some people just Column India, which made me think of this- show breaking bad but is?

character that, whereas a gun on his hip- and though the barrow, so long goes down to his knee and he's a big, tough guy and Peace said, will now he's gone. You'll, never find him. He was rumored to be the one who probably helped steal the election. You found him. You found him, he was alive and when you found him, he was no longer the giant, no imposing guy named India, whose mysterious you found a very different gags much later in life, work to lower tar You killed a man and a ballroom rule and around what we ve all Mister Kara evolved on. How I had again to television, but you is doubted Mexico someplace people kept telling me he was alive, but they don't know where he was and is used to say Louis

moves around the light. Let me people ask why my books take long if China fine a Mexican who moves around a lot? Yes, that's not a matter of hours right that right when you kill a man and a rang go you move around like I finally found he was actually back in Texas is living in a mobile home in the backyard of his daughter grace in use them. So I again I couldn't get a chance to say no, I'm you won't talk to me, so I knock on the door. It was very funny I expect just like you said that to be looking up at the six for each browser and this before your old, frail little old man opens the door I'm looking down at him, but he Don't just willing to talk to me. He was anxious to talk to me and I have been talking to him

very long. You see he was on the stand. There was a federal investigation into the selection. He's all understand- and the judge has just said something like my memories, but that they are on the spot. Suddenly now with an open, the ballot box that we should avoid the vote. You he was the election night. You the whole thing here. He was the key to the house. At that moment. It's the dramatic signore something you're writing it. You're, exaggerating a man runs into the court. Room with a piece of paper only shows Supreme Court. Just as you go. Black has ordered this investigation stopped and in fact there was never reopens again what was Louis Silas gonna, say when they open this box and they asked about the two hundred mile votes that were able to Johnson's total he says you know Robert. I have written it all down and he goes over to this large brass power from in the corner. And he pulls out or ninety four page manuscript

she has written he's that kid. Very bad on grammar north, but he says he wrote this for history. It's called box thirteen. The name of this precinct is box that they closing boxes and text was March 13th and it says exactly how he did it so so I found that I said you know I'm never going to have to write the same sentence that all is in all these other books that nobody will ever really know. If Johnson Stove Listen, I can write the sentence he stole my and there's the person to mean telling you in writing. Ro, I mean right so I said just now. I said well, if he dies what if he denies this. So I ask this question: your heart is in your throwing acid. Would you mind if we made a copy of this for me and unease sure we went to a neighborhood convenience store, we stood there while we competent. I have in mind in a drawer my desk, to this day to the dream,

dream find. Not only is you gonna tell you yes I was there. I knew Lyndon Johnson and I'm the one that stole the election form and the king Gos down the street. We can make obvious someone got forty of the great moments. There's a moment where you're trying to understand what it was like Fur Lyndon Johnson when he first came to Washington DC, and you really wanted to understand it. So you retraced how he would have walked to the capital building or to his first it was near the capital building and you figured out what time day she'd be walking there and You wanted to see where the sun was so that you could really understand. That feeling that he would have an exactly what it looked like to him. You're very, article about the facts, this also key free you,

in a novelist extends almost to put yourself there as a human being and see and feel what it's like, where you're very complimentary and I'm not sure deserve all that. But where were now you do, but whatever it is nice that you don't think you do what you do, but the internet you're talking about was really fascinating. Example of what you can come out of doing so Lyndon. Johnson. Then lived, little hope. Shabby hotel down near union station and he'd walk up the hill to capital held these orphan and then he'd walk along the whole east front of the which you is. This is the two and a half football of racism, seven hundred and fifty feet long. I found the woman who worked in the office. That means that whatever twenty two years old, She's also arrange girl like his ease, arrange boy. So the young getting up early in the morning and she says she's coming from the other direction.

And she says you know the thing they got me: he'd walk up the hill and as soon as he got in front of the cap will restore running as if he was very excited with his arms flapping was sort of what he would run the length of the capital. Every morning she said I when it was at first was winter and he was very poor. So I know he didn't have a coat I thought he was running cause he was called, but then she said to me. You know then returned warm spring and he was still running so I said I want to see it. Is there something that excited him? Tat made him run every morning, so Can't tell you how many times I walked that same road. I didn't see anything that in particular, there were excited than I thought of something you know, but you never did it. He did it very early in the morning cause they arranged kid, so they get up, but the sun, he did a five thirty six o clock in the morning. You never done it. Then I did I saw my or like that and all of a sudden I felt I understood it could what happens is this is the east?

further to the cap, with a capital from that faces. The east The sun comes up, let's say five, thirty, so it's its full force, its level rays, his this entire. You, long mass of white marble with its columns and its heroic figure is above and its lit up like some gigantic blazing white movie settings. Of course, he got excited he's coming from this land of looking little log dog run cabins and all of a sudden, he seeing this

I can attain. This is the power of a sovereign state or whatever you want. I can have this. If I succeed appear horse, he got excited yeah, it's cinematic, all that marble glowing exciting this poor kid from the hill country excites and it's sort of thrilling to me to say well well, yeah, anything! You ve capture that you ve capture that in the books, you have all these people dead in our always anxious for the next book. Whenever you finish a book and they love it and It's taken you nine ten years of course it is the nature of human beings immediately. They want the next one. What have you done for me? Lately, hey Kara was re it I just finished. It was twelve hundred pages and it was beautiful where's that

one and you must encounter fans and people in New York you're you you and I are known people when you're walking around you're, taking your walk in central park, eternal, enjoy your lives and people who wondered. Why are you working right now get to that idea of that area of people trying to guilty you into why you are right now having an ice cream fact. Anyone tries to give me, but your last. Fortunate number of times every day a week. You know when is the next one coming here tat. You never asked me my publisher, Michael Bush's. Never asked me when does MIKE, but when is your book going be done now even deliver I've been very lucky that way. Now your publisher happy that you took a break to do this book working. No, he was furious, not my promote morality. Year after year. Editor just wants all things. Look we got this,

book on Johnson, you got a finnish that- and you say why I'm workin on something else right now, and that must do that. You're, probably irritates the the editor yes, but areas are funding irritate sometimes it's hard to have a conversation with someone like you and not think about what's happening today, and I'm sure you get asked this a lot and none of us can really know because we're living in this moment. None of us really understand this moment, but it has occurred to me that there are incredible similarities between a Donald Trump in a Lyndon Johnson need to win win any cost, both fulness. Sometimes you know crude behaviour. The list goes on and on. Were you I'm so buried in my own work right now that I'm not paying me, attention. The right order,

I mean I read the paper every day I followed like everyone else, where I haven't really thought of the answers made about. What's going on right now. I think I do Would you last night, I think the really unfortunate thing from our point of view. My point of view anyway he's a people doubt that their facts. You know that the NRA, facts about, for, as I said, There is no one truth, but there are facts and yet the mark she doesn't have. If people don't have facts that they can make a judgement on which way their just gonna be then, What does it amounts to their power? comes from their casting votes at the ballot box. What basis are they casting Fighting nothing is more serious than that. But the fact is when we talk about facts-

factor, something that you may have heard, but you can prove it by something you find in that's hanging in Johnson papers there. It is and that's what an informed electorate is that they've informed them selves about facts, and I just the way it's been in our history. So now it's not starting to become it has become something we're facts. Or, as you put a relative, so, then you say. So what is the power of democracy? The power of form aye. Sir James Madison said something like people. Michael. She want to have power. They have to know that. I know he didn't say this was. This is what you meant they have to have facts. Base there, the power their vote that seems to me not to be failing, but to have failed and I don't actually seek anything's more more fully

dangerous to the concept of Peter having fallen, the lecturer electorate and what exactly is conferring power in this country? that is showing- and this is something we can't know right now, because we're right in the middle of it, but is trump theirs. The you can look at it. One is that he is this complete one off he's an anomaly or the other possibility that this is the beginning of a new type of politician. You wonder in terms you you could say of Rome is he an aberration in long line of roman empire emperors or is he? Is he the first

In a different line of roman emperor is like a regular Nero. We don't know that right now. I think we are right to be scared about that here, the truth, but the fact is, we don't knock and sorry sorry to use the word factor Javier Earth about ass, your fat man, my fact, but we already, but we were like we really dont know. The answer is yes and I like to point out to everybody that collegial as the one who made his horse a senator. That is something that, in it means trained, sounds usual for assuming that somebody appointees and you think, I'd take a horse. You almost it has been to Europe's inequality and was got Robert Kennedy was bids ache. There are cut women's, appoint he's right say: can we get a horse, maybe cooling view the right idea? I do worry, you're such a hard worker,

an I left this event last night, I left it late and then we're taping this very early in the morning you got here before I did. I'm a whipper snapper at you got here before I did, and I to myself their work, this guy too hard feel tired, tired when you're on something way to get always hear. He said your turn, his English. Feeling sorry for yourself and if this feeling sorry for yourself, your finnish wow, that's fantastic! I feel sorry for myself all the time. But I think I just thought of a really good Frank for Europe, for your publisher, which is call your your publisher up and say that I'm done with the working tour

I am, I was gonna, get back to work on Lyndon Johnson. But I just had a quick inspiration and then a writer who can spend a year or two on a biography of Conan, O Brien, less alleged alone, have amazing on heart attacks and evolve. He really seems like a fantastic, interesting character and I wanna go live in Brooklyn Massachusetts and talk to people who knew him and find out what kind of What can this guy was that the fund prank and I would enjoy it think held you here long enough against your will. I reiterate to anyone listening. Do yourself a favor you can get working. It's out there right now in some, if you're interested in writing in the writing process and its a terrific read its working by Robert Cairo, whenever favor, if you have not checked out the Lyndon Johnson books start with sir, with path to power

and you will be enthralled or the power broker. Robert Moses- and it's just, I think, the best biographical, writing of our time or any time. I believe that thank you

but again I'm a comedian, so I have no mountainous means anything. I hate to see you. Thank you so much for doing this. It is one of the great honours and my life. Thank you. There was great through here it's time for another segment of voice. Males, and I wanted to do this one, especially in saunas defence, because during the voice miles we did where someone called in and said that you were miss prancing, Freddy Mercury, yeah yeah, I remember in, and they locked in and talked about my hard jeez. You have our gees, it's not your fault. We were raised by your geezer, very hard, very hard lace and remember. He said that he never miss pronounces anything. Yes, I really don't How can you play voicemail number? Seventy goarly? Are you not callers out Conan?

as Saturn. I live Fenner night lie not Saturday night like Thunder night, well, Jesus Christ. First of all, I work there I guess this guy also work there. I don't think he did what he did and unassuming. If he's correcting my pronunciation of Saturn alive, then Sir, it's just did it because I worked on rough kind, just explain for setting up, because I'm in the right here, everyone who works at Essen now when they say it for real concern. I live. That is a good thing that we do. That is like we're in the club. People who are outside the show who have never worked there call it Saturday night live anybody who's ever work. Their word. You work in those I sat at last. I don't buy that item by this for a second ass true, and I will tell you why

people know this but learn Michael's who created the show is famously from Toronto, but people dont know that he was born. In Louisiana, there is a little child and so he has a little bit of a southern Louisiana Tang. When Lauren call me up ass? If I were to be a writer there, he said, would you like to come? Join us on sound? I live like this is adapted ass. It leads your story now nearing no, I swear to God. Now you not hear this allied way. If you talk to Laurent only comes out when he says they're not laugh, and sometimes he says, we should like to join me because you know most of you talk like this in an insight apathetic whenever he says the name of the show it goes and it's just his old Louisiana roots coming out. But he's

as you know, we are really good timing. Chevy Chace was there and I was really good at CERN, laugh and no true, then say something else. Every now and then it comes out here he offers you something to drink. He'll say like me: no would you like some wine? Would you like maybe some bourbon? Nor would we know dragged a gene in China or would you would you like sweetie, as he says, sweetie gotta, as these are all real thanks? First of all that guy, can get on his go fuck yourself or why guy well? Can you play number twenty three as well likeness about very anyway you pronounce Saturday. Oh my god, in a way, I can explain. Listen and then it will be held

If he were laying life, I mean I I can't That is why we are fighting. Algebra went, and this is a way car. He might do it anyway. Listen how you say the Andrea. When can I talk when it's stupid thing? I Renee finish: let Renee Finnish, ok! Well! This is just infuriating because for us, what did you notice that she just said an does it? Do you know why didn't curvy does it to cause he's in the club? We are a small society of select individuals who don't start olive guide and look so darn. It has not done so. You can play our stand poorly. If I call you goarly it's my name. Is it, though a name a god? goarly gotta cases Gorlias sounds. I gave up

can't get into our analysis and of a rash guns orally. On your last, when challenged eyelash out like an animal and when not challenged lashed out even more like a really sick animal, you can play as many people as you was used or sand, but it doesn't change the fact that Lore Michael's was born in Louisiana and he invented San alive, and I am happy to take these questions and give you the answers. But if you guys are then going to sit around and say fake news, I'm gonna stay right here and say fake news, because I'm on the web and learn Michael's was born in Toronto. Ontario Canada yield Lauren has the ability and the power of the most powerful people in the business Lorn likes the myth that he came down from the north. Ok,

day in and he loves this whole concept that he descended from the north? It's it's very game of thrones. He came from the north. He came down to house in those in the house, Lana sternly came, he came down south and winters coming in the wall. That's over ignores or the Lord Mythology House. Let us there's not up north Oh, I see you didn't read the books you're going out. The tv show find the only way that point is this: is our goarly we'll? Do it your way? If, as even remember, my ways- and I want to make this point sincerely learn- doesn't want people knowing from Louise. I am do them, so I just don't understand why him calling it Saturday, Eleventh desirous of Asia, warranty invented the show. So you just like the way you pronounce Saturday what calls external line- and you know why. I sorry you're. Sorry, if you don't understand the concept of respecting,

your boss, but we also are now doing it differently. You nothing! Saturnine live you saying, sat net, not getting really like that. I don't know it's happened, ailing I'm saying it exactly the way. It should said: Santa LIVE, and sometimes I play around with a little bit because I'm a jazz artists, as you know that I'm a big jazzed fan and I play a lotta jazz my spare time. So. Ok we'll never played down as you see me pledge. I don't know this. I don't know what's happening, but pronounced Saturday night life properly. That's what this is no, and you are view just guess what you just proved. You can't pronounce Santa Love A clay is part of the club, an order so profound. Like everybody s worth you doing pronouncing you do know or Saturday night. I'm sorry, because you were correcting my pronunciation, I'm sorry! I thought you weren't there and I was wondering what years you were there to show a character. That's what you did french character. Do your french character? Do my french character valleys are over. Do you

No! I didn't I'm completely sober right now. Those come out when I'm was ass, it's just a fascinating grey was at those times will be firm. I care what was that? Are you having a massage do not disturb on the land? okay, so you're, the guy that lectures us like we're children about put your phone on airplane mode, that's terrific! It can sing out at everybody right now. You are so angry that so called you out for pronouncing a word incorrectly cause. You call me out all the time and now you're yelling, you will hear calling goarly a disease Here I see me when I worked on Saturday tissue, Cathy FUCK, I I I hate to be

criticised for being right. I don't like to make you guys feel bad that we're an especial cool club because it San outline. She then that concludes another episode of Command Brian music. For free. You know you work here. I place you work here. I wonder your ears dismay, I you know. If I wanted you gone goarly, it would take. Maybe thirty five phone calls and then done. Should it be a few months and then there's be paperwork but eventually had begun, because I have you may have already started that. Finally, really this part cast works. Can I just put something else out there and I'm not reaching for pity here I really night, but I was, if you don't believe in it is an absolutely true story about Lauren being from Louisiana and being a secret club and people in the no colonists and our largest by. If you don't believe that

the possibility that I have a neurological out. Listen! I know- and I wanna make something clear here- that open a large family and I after a little bit of a teasing, rough and tumble style with my siblings, but down I don't want it misunderstood. I you know You know that I love you think you're fantastic. We ve been friends bessys for a long time had a second older brother. I never wanted exactly. Goarly. You know that I respect you, You do a great job at the podcast and I'm one day committed during your first name. I don't know That's a process. It takes a while back. Look into it and find out hunted down. But I don't want anyone out there listening, think I really don't I dont like these people that I want to give them a hard time. That's my way of communicating

I just want people out there. How much above these people mean to me now that this is our yes, what I was awaiting the I'm waiting, I'm waiting for the they hammers gonna. The thing are you LEO hammers going for you? I think there's no following there's always a thing following. I was being sincere, but do think now that we called him out that he was going to drop the hammer, but then once we said that he's gonna take the highroad said no, I was being sincere. Yak has every time he compliments. You're like it sounds sincere and then its followed by something that is a trick. This is true, greatly inches pink ox. Now I sincerely respects both of you and I love the work that you do with me here on this pipe cast, and I think we make a great trio damn that's all there is to say on that subject and then you ll, say: lakes aside, need the thirty percent you give. This job is really valued thirty percent July and if it more for your beard map we so and so

well you're really good thing you're, not in the business of insulting yourself. You really free. If you ask us to show us that my character like to build people I people up by plane you're, going to hunt search. You know cause his search for voice. Males of someone who can criticise me. There are very very few, but oh you'll find the kindly goarly we'll get you blow Amber five Conan Money, Kyle Europe, Akron Alex and wouldn't family conversation about cavemen. People with abnormally large scale. Google Exact breed man with big skull my boy, a picture of you- comes up the image results and I feel I got somethin you may want to know

You have a good day I am not offended at all because having a large cranial vault, I'm flattered I'll, say it again. A large cranial, vault sign of intelligence, Maybe this is proof that the most highly evolved person of our species, anyone bias get that water, I'm so thirsty? Thank you! Listen, I declared some stuff up today. Media just quickly recap is Santa laugh and also I have a large scale and it gets were learning yeah. Large urge skull, but is proportional to my very large body. My limbs in various parts, her quick oversized get another one Can you recap the part where you complemented us yeah We got it.

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