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hi. My name is added Mackay and I feel old fashion. Twelve year old about tabs sleep over excited about being Cardinal Brian Stretch, yes, and then, if its anything like my sleep overs, we will commit arson and then murder and welcome the fence below and welcome to Conan O needs a friend. I do need for No man is an island as summoning garfunkel mostly told Us- and I am now Thanks to this part, guess I'm no longer an island, I'm kind of a very narrow peninsula analogous spit of sand.

The end very narrow peninsula- very little access. other humans, but at least connection, so very grateful for this. Podcast joint is always by my my trusty assistant, Saddam Ossetia, dishonor high, I you know, I friends are fun. That's very profound. Well. I think Plato said that friends are fun and then it Aristotle said to be a fasts forever, the yeah yeah. So he did so She said chums for life and then drank the hemlock yeah. It favorite ship is the friendship right. As animal out, I was pretty bad yeah. I don't care, if you can, from anymore ah said also share. Guided. Where am I gonna find someone is terrible, Conan

of course, my goarly. Also with us. You gotta see him at high guys you having some issue. It took us a while the connected you because you're having some issue at your house what's going on in your house. Well, maybe you can hear some ambient noise like birds, chirping and dogs barking as all my windows and my officer open, because something died in the walls of our house and it's a problem that when you have it, you can't- we do anything about it because waded out, unless you want to wrap your walls apart, what wait a minute hold on? What's back just a little bit, what do you think I'd in your wall? Oh my cousin, whose last seen saying your cousin, whose last last time you talk to him, which was six weeks ago, was I'm gonna, go look inside your wall, I'm not feeling great smart palpitations, but still I wanna go look inside your wallet and you haven't seen him since nice smell something dyed in the wool is awful here. I hope it's only mouser rat. I hope it's not something bigger, like God forbid, like a

a coolness event. Because, let me understand is that, because you think a raccoon has more of enlightened spirit, then a mouse or you're going down you just about the size and fewer beata size can how you're only I worry about the size, yeah yeah, ok, how I less decay times! You don't get a sad when, like a skinny I dies, but when a fat guy Burma wow, so you the smell out and then the carcass just stays in your walls. You have to let a dry out and basically Mama FI, or else it's rip, the walls apart. I don't know what else to do. Excuse me: do they have any way of detecting You think in this modern era, they'd be some kind of device in the way that does that thing. Convives, literally first six dollars at the hardware store that helps you find where this stuff is. Instead finder yeah, my wife had a good stead. Finer now was finding where

stud was in the wall about yeah, ok, no, no! I waited white. What made you think I was talking about anything as anyway. My life was pretty clear when she met me. She found her stood right because I was holding a stud finer than I got. The hardware store I don't know why this is confusing. Why isn't there's some kind of device man? They will tell you the source of these noxious gases that I'm aware of even by brought my cat into the office to see if she would kind of just smell in a certain spot, she couldn't care, less doesn't even seem to notice it. It's horrible capture dispense death. All the time we have cats, all they do is, you know, kill things and try and bring it into the House Julianne and riots. I mean large dogs and its terrible. Now they just like birds and what I just its or if they find something instead they bring it into the house. I would they care about the smell. I would think she would just because our care is the obsessed she's, just

Single minded. I'm telling you more than anything. I've ever seen in any creature on earth. Before she's obsessed, she will eat a full bowl of food. That's the size of a basketball and won't stop until she vomit have you ever found your cat ordering stuff on grab a car pulls out from their like? Is there or is there a man? your checks, which happens, you're cats name, it's Margo yeah. She has learned to open our cabinet trash, but you know the kind that are flush with the kitchen cabinets she can open issue. I swear she's, so we had to put a child proof lock on a goddamn cabinets causes CAT Meyer died. Are we have involved in retrievers and the younger one Loki has figured out, how to order pornography. What kind of

Pornography is Loki into its all sheets to various offshore and apparently Loki wants there to be some story so applied driven, and what did you have driven porn and and film? Not video, hates video, hates video and hates there's gotta be a decent story there and so I've sometimes even watched different times where we loki speed through the sex. You know I got his paw. Just goes in hits the fast forward only speed through it lets because because the plot is more, what what Loki into so Let me sometimes we watch the sex if it's just one, Why should I care what the dog watch tv alone So I because God knows you know what. If what, if paper view

when the next thing you know are. We owe a lot of money, so no, I have to be there with Loki when we watch the soft corporate geography is a dog porter or how God now wants to my colleagues. Do it now and dogs. They have no there's, no erotic thrill for indeed a dog. Pump a desk dogwood hump of fire hydrant doggerel hump anything so that would be the level of. Therefore no he likes by blocking.

spotted reports. You know like thing. If he likes costumes, he likes you to be a part and so yeah it's and then I am I watch with them by its their good stories. They told really good stories. We watch red shoe diaries, some of the old Showtime stuff, like that, it's true, but only the one dog, the other dogs, not into this. Oh, my god. Oh no, no, Moscow who's! The older one, hey always we're not rude hates pornography. Absolutely hate loves musicals, the M Gm musicals, the really good ones, loves singing in the rain. Just all those great him, GM musicals provided term. So we don't watch tv together. We wish to watch it separately. We have such a good show to get you to daddy and listen another quick thing. If your dog is hooked on porn, can contact this toll free number that will not be at the end of this podcast. He won't exist. Chasms, that's not doesn't exist. Anyway. If your dog is a real problem with pornography, you can get

help, if you listen for the number that doesn't excesses at the end of his pipe guest, my guest Today. I can't waste any more time is an Academy award winning writer director and produce behind such films as the big shore. vice anchor man step. brothers and be Emmy Award winning HBO Series succession he has had? In my opinion, too much too much Fourchan too. Too much goodness has come this man's way. Not true He deserves it all. Now he has a new podcast death at the wing, with new episodes available every Wednesday wherever you get you tied cats and you know what I am I have to say at this into about three episodes and it is fantastic death, the wing. So You check it out. I am thrilled he's here with us today. Adam O, welcome There are so many strange ways in which you and I intersect, and yet we ve

very little professional contact, so you cast me in a movie. We ve had very very little professional you and with Brad Pitt Diaries felt bad about that, because I did like a Levin callbacks with you. Yes and the truth was like after the third call back, I was like it's gonna be pit. There is a little bit about power trip go yes, this is, I believe this for the big short everyone was talking about. Oh my god, christian bail is in this is Steve Corral and this thing is huge, and then you call you you didn't call your person called to despair. Four Conan, maybe but by Adam Things, connected be really great, for

I remember you got this reversal space and I was to show up at which was way out of the way as it can Brooklyn. I went out to Brooklyn. I go to this rehearsal space and I go there for this addition and Brad Pitt. Is there he's they're holding his sides and I'm holding my sites and I'm gonna go away yet Rhino always hated it to you, and I make you wait for like an hour. You may just wait for an hour and we listened at the door at one point and you're just listening to the same whites, Exxon over and over again by yourself. Then you call Brad in and then Brad comes out and he just looks like he nailed it and he wished me

good luck, it was almost cartoonish really fast. I was I grab my my person once again. Her name was Demi on shoes, French, yes Jimmy! I genocide, Brad Beauty, Mr Mackay will see you yeah. He walked in the door. It was like one. Second, later the door open and he came out. We were already laughing about a joke. Yes, just ass, he walked out in he nodded at me and he said I ll. Never forget this country hit me on the shoulder and said: go get em cone. No one's ever tell me. Cone performance go, get em count and Endymion said you may go in so I went in you made me, read it so many different ways there. You called me back eleven different times and every time I went Brad Pitt wasn't there and I was reading and the trades that Brad Pitt was good in the big short. So I knew I didn't get it. Why did you can call me back? There is a chance that we were like you, what if Brad get sick,

jogging attacked by a mountain long and not yet. Life is crazy, like a lot of things can happen in life and it was like you.

Kept coming back so eagerly. Oh, you were so and then it a certain point. It became straight up just sadistic power trip, a guess where the need and want in your eyes, was so deep, yes and that I just straight up, I was getting off on at last for additions. I was getting all I could tell. I could tell you may yet Torah like Bulgaria and one which is nowhere in just one point. I said tell me how much you want this, then I ever still ever recording of it. You went on for about ten minutes. I now I want you to need aid. Why you wanted out, you don't feel good in the morning. This feel good now, and then I laughed. I said you don't have it you never added death Jemmy on, took you out of the room, I've. Never! If the only time that I have addition for something with a person I was additional. Four was sitting on a throne made of skulls the

Every time I ever happened. We are. We were transitioning our office furniture, so I had that from my house. Baronial right. Ok, that's right! That's actually is an explanation. It's not it's crazy! Is it now we have intersected in the real world outside of our minds, but I gotta see who I just really hoping that there's some people listening that are like that's fucked up story, Poland Brad Pitt. I cannot tell you by the un- and you understand this Adam Hum. Times if you riff, since surely about something long enough, people its gospel. It becomes gospel when people say now, eight he the audition for it and he just team lost out today. Get me it's the bad and they nothing makes me happier than the bit that becomes real and people start talking about it behind your back Liliana, yes, the best I ll, never forget. I got to host Senate live once when I was doing the late night.

oh and I was writing on the show when you owes you yes- and this is where I'm going with this. I make the rounds and, of course, having written there before. I know the trick, so I go to the pitch meeting and I know that people are pitching shit. This is the meeting in Laurens Office. That's on Monday night. I know they're pitching stuff to me that nobody's going has any intention of writing. It's just we haven't what about you. He had Conan we're not that enthused, but we'll get around somewhere, it's not Tuesday night. Yet so I knew and I had come with a couple of ideas of my own way. Working on some of those, whereas making around strongly writers- and then I remembered one of the last stops I made was I went in to your office on their forget. Your ring a leather jacket, which I think was your where at the time you had a leather doing it and I went into your office, you were so funny and so excited about a bunch of different ideas, and there was one idea that I think he would writ and no one else had done it and it was about a doctor who performed

operation and remove someone's taint to remember this is correct, and it is a pity to me and you would clearly I could pay. I could see you. It was clear that you would pitched it to Angela lands bury no. You would pity to Dame Judy Dense, no more Sadat onwards. All got Anwar Sadaijin others after he was shot to death rise army. You pitch this to everybody, no one did it and then you said you came in, and you said it's about a doctor who removed someone's taint and is explaining what the taint is after the operation, and I could you often said I'll. Do I had so much fun and I realize the sketch went on in the episode. I did at like, of course, twelve. If, five, and I immediately connected with you because so many of your ideas, where one thousand two hundred and forty five ideas, one thousand two hundred and fifty ideas

absolutely loved and it would send its we're Jack handy used to write his skull is or a lot of them were one fifteen, one, thirty nine a m they had yet they had to air. You had to call local affiliates and get them to errant instead of the crop report, quota it like this. When you were there like we in our group, it was like a badge of honor if you got the tender one sketch like that was the pure writers slot, and that was I remember, seeing your show for the first time and it ten to one humor yet, which is why we love why we loved it. Of course yeah. You know it's the end, then I'll tell you another story that when I want to tell a story about Mr Adam a K doing late night show, and one day you came down from Sir not live with. Mr will feral, and you said we haven't,

idea for your show: it's really while you're at it doesn't want, isn't gonna work on ESA. Now we don't even want to tell learn about it. It's called scrubber dub, I Amelia can't you guys often said yes, because I loved it, we loved it audience howling. I was so grateful. You guys just came down and gifted some comedy, and then they should hit the fan, as I've talked to will about this. We already Assyrians, I've never heard those out. This is great. I lot when this shit that make it even more enjoyable. We got in trouble because no one ran it by Lorn. So Lauren Michael's it's his star will, and I am also produced by Lorn, so I'm just on a different floor. Thirty rock, so we get kind of

you know I might like a heads up next time, you're taking my talent and I thought. Well, I thought we were all you know, friends we're all serving in the same army I thought and and will gotta talking to like. Could you do me a favor? Will this is back when we'll hadn't clicked yet I dont think and So it was, it was hilarious. Remember it s kind of getting calling on the carpet for scrub it up, and I blame you when you for that I love it. I didn't even die, was so low on the total appalled that I didn't even get a talking to now that he didn't even like. I wasn't even in his mind in any way, shape or form for us. We were so clueless. We start wearing comedy. Haven't we were working it s now loved what you were doing and then we went downstairs, and we just thought will this

also we can just patron idea. Just do it and you are really cool you are like yet, let's do it and, and then feral told me a garden in trouble in the whole dream of this cavity happened was destroyed. You know we of something in common which is- and I don't even realises until I was reading some notes today that you spent format years of your youth in Worcester Massachusetts, which is where my entire clan is from. So now you see, I doubt this. I did not know what your family is from. What happened is my. I grew up in Brookline Mass, but my mother group investor and her father. My grandfather directed try. thick in downtown Worcester. My father grew up now just outside Worcester, and he went to Holy Cross College, you gotta be kidding lie all of my cousins. Uncles everybody's from Worcester mean erratic. I spent every,

single holiday as a child in a car dry having to- or from MR and I remembered the big thing to do, because this is a before the Worcester Syndrome opened up. We would think what to do. There is an armor museum and armoury and it has like old suits of armour in it, and I don't think they ve every birthday I ever had and wished her was spent and Higgins Armoury. Yes, it was. It was a fake castle in the hills. Over was sure yes and some guy just bought a bunch old suit of armor, and it was also who's the coolest place on planet or yes, awesome, but I also, but I remember, is no sense of presentation. It was this dark play on pages filled with suit of armor, many of them unlabelled. No lighting, no sense that you're in a museum in early did fell. I feel, like you, went to someone storage space broke open the law

when inside and it was a giant room. Dark room filled with armor in no particular order. I remembered I loved it because I was like a third grade to me. It was like I was

cool museum without all the Boring museum part, just as it was just like bad ass, halberds and like to ended swords and mourning stars and like all nasty ass weapons, with no educational purpose whatsoever, which was exactly what I was looking for and we would just go there now just look cool shit and then go so I loved it in someone told me they closed it and they sold the calf love, it's all shut down. Yet they gave the armor away and you can just see people walking around in flemish armor and MR now there's a lot of a true you'll see people write down the street and armoured horses would lances. He had known even blinks, it is normal and was fed Ex guys wearing belgian armor for the fifteenth century. Everyone in a different occupation is worrying old armor and they weren't next summer witches I dont understand, but that's what MR wants to do. I did a dentist. My Deniston Worcester had a minus three armor class with person, so I can only make a joke with Conan yeah. I guess so here's a question. I have this very particular memory of Massachusetts. Boston, Worcester, some of it

you name it revenge is true of the United States, but There was a time I want to say that early, seventy through MID Seventys when things looked shitty ends Hours were rusty. There was one restaurant to go on any right rice ago do and they were called italian restaurants, but they weren't really italian restaurants. They just served pizza, but you can also get you know Try you read the prime read you can we I may have, and I remembered nothing was slick or glossy, then something member when, after college, when I get out of college sometime in MID Eightys, I look around and this croissant shops everywhere, and cars aren't rusty any more because they started rust. proofing them or making them out of different materials and everything got kind of fancy do agree with that. It so funny that you say those so two nights ago, I'm I changed the movie ten men which

he's. Very Levinson's movie takes place in the early sixties and I think there's a moment where they go into a diner and they sit down on the diner, and I have the whole experience that you're talking about. Unlike when I the kid. There were no chain restaurants, everything was like a smoke filled diner you had like Salisbury Steak in some sort of like gray gravy and and all the cars were crappy you. They all had roll up windows, the mute. Was oddly sad whenever would play on top forty. It was like you know she can read and were fire was always like. One comes out of the dark, hundreds of minor keys and lot of minor key sort of folk songs about. Please comes of Boston. You know and like the guy will go with the woman, he loves for some reason. I was travelling around in your leg. Just go with the woman, you love, and then you write like around nineteen. Eighty, three, the first the preamble were like the boy

Berger joints for you could eat peanuts and leave the shells on the floor and add the crappy like big screen, tvs and then, like a light, switch goes off and suddenly there's who lands tv Friday's Ben Again- and these are brightly lit chain. Restaurants like around eighty two, eighty three yet- and I noticed too- I drive around and I don't think that's just people got very, not the people weren't interested in money before, but but somehow everything really much nicer in the nineties. My mean nicer, I mean just slicker glass here and so I noticed very gradually. I drive around with my kids, my kids, never seen a car. It's like rusted out. You know, don't. You know, they'll, see some cars and have some dings enemies of like that. But cars aren't rusted out.

the cars that we drove had so much rust that my dad robust around any drove us in a sixty three Chevy Impala, so much Russ that you could see the street going by beneath your feet, because there is big holes in it it upon we had the seventy Pontiac head rust and you just like yeah. That's what happened stuff Ross and you still get it ain't. You still drive it and I don't know I saw I'm I'm gonna Henderson Avenue in Worcester, I'm in first grade and my mom is driving down the street and the car that my parents have is an old male truck. They go in by the old mailed truck that there no longer using and I'm sitting in the front seat. How do we take a left turned the door opens. I go lying holding on to the door, as am I say it's like a bad cartoon. My mom just reaches over. Please me back in the door closed. She doesn't say a word. She keeps on so bad, nothing, it wouldn't have you you you they bought

in about a male truck that was no longer in use, so they could drive it guess what This is freaking me out my, parents. When I was a kid when I was about ten or eleven, we all six kids and my parents, we all took this trip to this place, called I think, like pine manner, larger waits. It was up and main and while we're there, my dad sees that they're getting rid of the station wagon that drives people to the lake and back, and it has the logo. It says like buying Manner Lodge and though- and it has a little pine tree painted on the side and it's got would fake would on the side and its Ford, you now, whatever station wagon. My dad buys it yeah and yeah, that's the car that when I'm learning to drive I'm driving in and they need four took the logo. Ah, I would drive around the girl I had a crush on would see me go by like hey. How are you

are you working for a hotel in Maine? Then that has a shitty car is at your job? No, my father got it and it's what I drive, because my father got it. It's pretty good and then I realized she was gone and Anne had been gone for ten minutes and mission. Allied and said you are working at the hotel and the motel in Maine, that's better than my father, guided by the way, just in the future that choice items and by the way such a nineteen. Seventy story, I mean all my memories of the seventies, were my dad saying. If you dig the night for round in the managed, are there's still a little bit laughed all pro. That really was like just not a materialistic time. Everyone felt vaguely like a hippie, even the baseball players at giant side, bird's eye on air and people like you weren't. If you are showing off your wealth, fewer like an angel is seventy. swine, I remembered Dennis decorously famous picture for the Red Sox. He

kind of longer hair. The red Sox Front office was pissed at him. because apparently occasionally he'd go to a discotheque and dance and had date, women and he, apparently warlike genes, and they were like fuck is. Is this guy doing going out at night rising, His goddamn hairs, like he's an amazing teacher, he's winning games for you. damn eap what he told you, but it's ninety its nineteen. Seventy five you only with the Red Sox back. There was Thomas yucky, gallic, I'm pretty sure atomic jockey. By the way. This is true, but I'm pretty sure he carried a pistol around at all times, yes and would shoot three or four people a year and just I'll take care of this, and we have very good lawyer, its women, very good lawyer, despite gas, will take them in Billy, Martin, I come from a very large family, as I mentioned many many times, and one of six kids

and I want to ask you this- do consider your siblings to also be your friends? What do you think so? You have a brother is rather, I then is my friend I can say I consider my brothers and sisters, my friends gear friends that try to occasional, destroy each other, but friends, What does somebody get excited about? A new ABC comedy brought to you and storing the one and only tool for grace from that Seventy show I've always liked over grace. I love him he's funny. and very talented fellow, his new show is called home economics and It has nothing to do with high school Homeric, because that would be a terrible idea for a pilot is terrible idea for sitcom. No, it's about three adult siblings who each have wildly different financial situations. One is in the top one percent of the top one percent and he's got problems. Money is not one was proms. His younger sister is, at the other end of spectrum struggling with her wife and two kids to get by and one Tom played by Toper is in the middle. Ok

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Was your place to make weird funny things happening and it didn't matter if anybody even knew that a prank had just occurred. There is a famous pray but you did that. I love to hear about four, which is on on the Navy peer in Chicago you and a bunch of people pretended to be up. Pepsi employees. Is that what you did there is, big, lock out of like the corn sweetener plants all occur as the MID West had been bought by some conglomeration and they had union suited conglomerate was like years away to save money. Let's just not have unions ends They told every one of you in the union, don't come back to work or if you come back, you're no longer in the union. So is giant, walk out that lasted for like six seven months. It was brutal, it was like destroying towns and we were like how can we do something to support these people? Well, Pepsi was the biggest purchaser of the corn syrup and they were a big sponsor of the new Navy peer that was opening on this one we get so we can,

What were the idea? The we're gonna go and act like we're from Pepsi and do it, a presentation, and we got even Roberts. Who is like one of the best actors among us. He had actually gone to act in school and his other guy Pappa Cargan was also like a legitimately good actor and we just walked to the end of May VP her, and they were doing this. It was a giant. I'm in the place was packed. It was the opening of Navy beer and, I add, a Pepsi shirt on that. I just bought it some. Ninety nine cent store back when ninety nine cents shores really were. Ninety nine land stories- and I said a word from perhaps just acted Plaza like they were from bab- see we're sponsoring errors was to do a thing after your band. Fellow again, oh problem, and we just gotta we're like everyone, let's get some Pepsi Spirit going and he's going, from the crowd up. Isn't it was an improvement guardian? They would come up and tell Please just a heart breaking stories about

the glues in their homes, because we're locked out and we would be like who could ever role Pepsi bottle with their nose, wins twenty dollars and gradually genome Sousa Writer directly ass now does any actually looks like a nineteen thirty's union guy he's, red yelling about it and tore up our Pepsi side and then a turn in the like a staged. Right people rub my exact shut out Pepsi and the police show up and arrest. All like even tat, one o crap I'm about to get You don't mess with the Chicago no Use Alec, I'm about I'm about to get arrested in the car comes out to me. I might go well here we go and he goes up you guys are actually want to handle this. Yes, I have a b where I have to catch up and I'm like you know, I think we got it

bad pr for the day. Let's just let him go as I got, you got it all just resigned harm like oh, my God, S Van task. I know that you also with what we have in common is. I of course worked a lot with the Great Roberts. Michael help me luck. The late night Show- and I worked with him- it s an owl in just a terrific talent. I remembered you guys did a lot of great work together. She did this a joke, I believe you wrote, or maybe it was you are Robert, but it was in those ads on the back of comic books when I was growing up. I have lots of little panels for like X, Ray specks things you can order Matt, you remember this like it was around them. How can I knew a comic book? It would be obvious things and one has to do, an dear door, fake vomit, There was, and it was this just looked like fig vomit, but let's hear it

they'll high what fits trick. Your friends in the thinking and listen- Football. Lineman has Ben to your home and was sick, and it was feared into my brain and either. I saw that in the nineties and I laughed I died does that mean so harsh just like any ones were made? No one could say that's territory, it tricks your friends into thinking. Dan Deirdre has been to your home and was, however, that go yes, Michael I'm basically grew up the same time. We did so he had all those references to like the super friends, animated shale gas. I've always thought the best as SNL years for me where those early nineties, because you guys had to replicate it like it, had already had the smash it of the original cast by a dispassionate, have Eddie Murphy, and

most at a standstill that group in the early nineties through the mid nineties. Created their own more Matt, like those that cast was amazing. The writing staff. You unharmed menu car veal, like just crazy cow handing. I was very lucky I showed up at the beginning of eighty eight and then I have one other, early gas was Tom came in. Had you know, One of these early of his just great great great, oh- and I remember thinking something's happening here. This is a great it was like. I had come with my guitar arctic mess around in Liverpool in nineteen sixty three just shall I give us just a perfect time to be there and a real blessing because allow that's? Tough timing? You can't you you're, you know you're there at the right time or or you're not, and so we were very fortunate. But what I am fascinated by- and I want to get to this-

you ve? Had this amazing evolution were you did so much in pure comedy, just pure pure comedy, and somebody these great movies with will welfare all in that. Would have been enough for anybody- and you seem to have had this appetite It was not enough, you pushed it. I think I, but it felt like this is enough. I'm going to just stay here unjust. I am always happy in the comedy mine. Had this interest an appetite for these other projects and think that means it commendable is kind of insane how well it's gone for you. I find that to be really interesting Thank you I mean thank you in a way, but, like you said its timing me, it's just. The world happened a completely unravel in a way that I think like looking back at us in the nineties like enjoying comedy. I think we new stuff was kind of headed in a weird direction, but I

it's never imagined that it would be like a severed power line thrashing around in the street like an injured snake like it is now, and so at a certain point. You know I've spoken to you before and I know Richter's the same way like you guys are included, know what's going on, and so through the years you know it s now I was always writing. Like the political cold, all bands, I've always been a guy's, been an activist and involved. In the guilder unions and, like I said we were doing you, know, sort of ST activists later when we were in Chicago, that's always been part of life. I am and

so I just seem like a very natural transition and it was really just all about the book. The big short I happened to read that and was like could see it as a movie very clearly and once that leap was sort of taken it was like. Oh god I get to do the same as you guys like we like all kinds of stuff we draw, we like you, know, documentaries and then all the sun, not the big short. I was able to like pretty be produced, drawn succession and get and all this other stock and vice and the new thing just on so it rolled really became unhinged, and then I happened to bump into the perfect book at the right time. Yeah. I think I remember when it was announced that that through before even knew you were involved. I heard there's going to be a movie of the big short. I had read the book and I thought there's no way that's a movie. It can be a movie because trade, to explain you know that market and that complexity. I mean I've, read

hundreds of articles at the time while it was happening about you know. reach back securities and there and ensuring stocks? And I didn't as having such hard time, understanding it and of course you took it, and I I watch the movie again with my son. He because, as you know, a shorting has got to be exact, huge and the news again and was really interested in it in in the game. Stop he really was fascinated by it and he knew there was a movie that was highly regarded on the sub, that's, so we watched it and hear him, he loves corral and he loved them. The movies, fantastic and it holds up in such a great. Sadly, you feel like it's all. It's a movie, that's going to be relevant every seven years, because I don't seem to learned our lesson you now we'd. That's that's the part that

tells me it's really. It was crazy. We didn't one screening where we had our focus group afterwards and though we were curious, how much the audience was getting about the mortgage backed securities and then see the asses in all these different exotic products. They had ended and the person ass. They might do. You know what a credit default swaps was that it was the craziest thing. I've ever seen, we're like an Orange county and twenty people describing perfectly how synthetic Assets were calcined than a guy, LEO's were cow and it was the craziest thing I've ever seen. I mean, I think, Ultimately, with that movie, it's like once. You start calling it betting as opposed to investing everyone gets it like the second. You dont use their language and say no they're bats. Everyone does I'll be ok, I get it and that was carried the breakthrough moment. We had with that. One was just like all call: it bedding,

and yet I was crazy when I click seven years is about right, too, is not about the cycle of the bombast. Yeah tends to be every seven years seems to be a feeling of maybe a decade, maybe a decade, but I think you're about right, yeah and then you, the taxpayer after pay for it and then about a year after that. We're gonna somehow get really angry a teachers. Ass, yet you know. Teachers are getting away with. Murder will wait a minute what about Bear Stearns? What about those assholes- a compromise? I couldn't believe I was actually witnessing it, but it was like a year after the crash, and there was this backlash against teachers. I was like that is nervy yeah

they all right. They destroyed a budget. Each year is unions anyway, while crazy, crazy. I have two five were to go on about succession, which is one of my favorite shows. I love that and I love the show, but I also want to where all the clothes at the men wearing that show when I go where you go hunting, I take screenshots and I say get me that to my wife and she says you dont hunt and no I'm not getting any that, but I want to talk about your pied cast because it is really so thoughtful and it's such a you know, obviously not cheerful, subject: death at the wing and it's really and you can do so I bit better than I can- but just talking about these these play as in the NBA who lost their lives, are lost their careers aiming at times

dismissed out, I'm thinking of lend bias when by us yeah. That was, it really is the most famous as the number two draft pick in nineteen eighty six out of Maryland and he gets drafted, and he is many people think he would have been. A rival to Michael Jordan, he would have been one of the greatest in the game ever it would have been Jordan, biased, biased, Jordan and he celebrating his pic is, number two, and that the fact that he's going to the Celtics and does cocaine in possibly for the first time to celebrate and dies and his death kicked off in a really negative way. The war on drugs that incarcerating people in I'm trying to help them yeah, it's it's crazy because work roughly in the same age zone- and I was I just remember- in nineteen seventy nine sudden becoming a huge NBA fan. Like all the Sunday NBA was the cool stuff

and I had this great experience of being a crappy basketball player, beginning to love watching the league and you Afterwards, I would go with him. It seemed weird that that many guys died in the eighties going into the nineties. Like it's a long list when you start to go through, it is really great players. There was another Celtic Reggie Louis, who also tragically died from their, not quite sure, maybe a heart defect and their histories and Patrick there's this guy Ricky bury who is really promising? Rookie died after a rookie year from mental health issues, and then she Wilson, the number one player in the nation, Atta Chicago, was killed in a senseless, active, got a gun, violence and on and on and on and this list, and then a bunch of players because of drugs in different reasons, also under careers cut short, so I just always had been curious like. Why was it during

this period, and then you don't see it later. You don't see it as much in the late nineties into the two thousand and now and once we started digging into it, capped crossing over with just the eighties being this time of just massive change like you talked about it with the rusted out cars and the crappy restaurants of the seventies, and suddenly the eightys was excellent, plugged enemy on sign, as suddenly it was like past signs like dollar signs, and everyone was worried about being slick and driving fancy cars, and there is sorted this collision of culture and media in the NBA that you saw in the eighties, and we really started looking at that. True each of these tragic stories and its heart breaking, first and foremost, the promise that these guys had the effect on their family, their community, the loss. But it's also really, I feel like a two part of our history. We don't fully die

into the fact that we are living to this day in the Reagan Revolution, the right wing revolution and that the country that used to be this way- and there is a lot of social change, economic change, political change and once Rideau, then it was like we had a limit ourselves to Us- then select amount of episodes because it was just bottomless is just so much information. So many stories about these players and you're right for me. Lend bias is one that just I was a freshman in college and I remember hearing the news and not even being of the process it. I was wearing a celtic jacket on the day I read about because I lived mustard and even though I was it's been Pennsylvania I was too was wearing myself ex jacket and just a heart break up. That was tremendous itself by our producers to such an amazing job without episode the people they God for us to talk to the door. voices it's just. I was such a pleasure to get to work on this and talk to these all these

for great writers and voices. You start out. You think where this is going to be almost the true. I'm story of lend biased but it's not it's it it's should lend bias, but then again into how his death was sort of in a way, CO opted people that were very interesting the war on drugs. You have some statistic in the podcast, it's still mind, numbing, that I won't try. Replicate, but it's something on the magnitude of we went from. You know two thousand people or twenty thousand people in federal, presents to two hundred and twenty thousand people in federal prisons sums disease. like that in about an eight year span and just incarcerating people, and how the lead bias? Das really was the spark and, and lighting of the fuse that enable that to happen. It's really crazy! I'm and you start to see these tragedies happier

They become more opportunities for a ruling guenaud, a new kind of ruling class. Really I mean, like I did. The robber barons had the right. I was called the Reagan revolution. You know it's like a star wars, title like the gilded rage, revenge of the Robber barons like right, where they really kind of came back and kind of. Like you know cow, the new deal and so the death of land biased was heavily publicize. It was your heart breaking story, people looking for meaning and they were able to harness dad, oppressed people of color fuel

oh a burgeoning for profit prison system and give this exterior of being tough on cry like people. You know voters really like that. No nonsense, quick answer, so they really got to touch a lotta bases and by the way I make a clear. I include Democrats on that Joe VIA was involved in in writing this bill. Their allotted tipple Neil, the speaker of the house, was involved in creating it. There was a Democrat, so you see the country, swinging right it. Such unusual podcasting may we have the first episode. We interviewed Jerry West and we interview Pulitzer Prize Winning, journalist Jane mayor in the same in the same dies. What I love about it say I will say it has the candy coating of sports Put podcast, but I could see a lot of sports fans wanting to listen to this podcast and then being taken on a whole ride. This exploring so many different experiments and concepts and ideas about the way

country works, how its changed echo I'm making justice income disparity racism, you so to me, that's it's! A very tight thing to pull off and it's like. I said about your your screen play for the big short. I didn't think that be done, and then you did it, and this is a really hard balancing act with his podcast, and I think it's really beautiful. I think it's fantastic. Expand, I'm so glad you dug it and its yeah witnesses. I'm catching is incredible because if I had had to sell this is a movie or a tv show, maybe we could escape the true, but like casting their such freedom. Where you get too like try something like this in just let it exists asian, more than well know so, where we started our new company, hyper object were doing more and more

I guess so. We have this one coming out and then we get another one. It's called the last movie ever made. That's about the making of the movie I just shot during the pandemic. Don't look up, and so we did all we can do a documentary about it. So we did a podcast and were in the middle of editing that as well, and we did want about the victims of Epstein that was breed, serious and dark, but that we have another one of its be cool? That's called things. You don't need to know what this guy are taken hosting it it's ridiculous, but yet

informative- and I just love it- you know any time it's like animation for comedy writers. Yes, you know you actually wrote for the Simpsons like there's nothing better, for a writer that innovation can, you could do anything. Is nothing and acts to right. No one saying to you: we're not gonna build an airplane or a biplane being driven by a tremendous source racks where it's really funny. I didn't were not going to do it. Yes, you out we're gonna drive and that's an idea right, you're, absolutely right it that it's a delight. The pod casks format is delightful sandbox, so it's so cool this of Euro who pad of your into the NBA you're in the sports you'll deftly hook on this. At the same time, like you said I listen again parlance our glorious to. I love it. If you're in it outside of your look into it and then there's just like human stories. I always use my like wife and daughters as the test case, because my daughter's could care less about the NBA while play them like a chunk of it. There, like I'm, actually interested like my daughter pearl, who is from the old video, the landlord, yes user. Is it out she's, like my

testimony to realise realise Pearl was your: was your daughter, yeah my guide as just part. If, as you know, I test, Hers. I had a watch, the big short and I was like what think problem. She's, like it this kind of boring, but not as boring as I thought it was gonna, be out like that was all brought that it comes up. Yes, that is exactly as a five star rating. That's fantastic! Well, listen! I don't! I have made you carry me. A hundred ninety five pounds of me. I've made you carry me down many different color sex too That's my little comedy ages and I really appreciate that because, for I was just very kind, Did you talk to you and massively man, if we happy about it success and out, and what you're doing with that? So thanks so much and I think you should seriously seriously have me read for a movie some day. You know we'll get. You will get you in their yeah and looking at a rule right now, that's for either at Norton Christian

EL or you. Please call me, and I want to be there in the same room, waiting holding the same sides that Christian Rail and Norton or Holding- and I want to be there too. I am really looking forward to that. Honestly. I I sincerely I've been like a giant fan of yours, like I said going back to what I was just watching ESA now and and always just love the like beautiful crazed, Anna Turkey of your show how thanks and I love seeing like all the different permutations you ve been through and, of course somewhat like you end up doing. In my opinion, the freest for there is which are causing an huge success with this as well. So thank you so much man and I always loved talkative right. Well I'll see you at the casting session and and and thanks again so much really fantastic talkin to you. Our.

Thanks, you guys was death, there's something I want to say yeah, which is today for the first time ever I was out driving around and I realized hey. I've never seen sown his home. So now has a home that she purchased just before covered and it's a bit far from where I live, but kind of serve cause. I knew that area and I thought I'll stop by so called zone and she said sure, come on over and whilst you talking to me was tat. With me on the phone and secondly, in the car, saying you had your way. I think I know the way I'm following Google maps I think I can get there. Were you with your address we're chatting, and I thought she said on cleaning up why you come over just tidying up a bit and then I heard a noise in the background that centre like something shutting- and I said, oh, did you just close like a microwave? That's what it sounded like you. Just closer microwave and slowness something they caught my attention. She said, no, I'm armenian, we don't have

microwave ovens. When I know what that means, and she was making a joke and then she said no attack my husband's armenian too. So we don't have microwaves, and I thought this I have to explore why dont armenian people have microwaves, I'm not I'm not doing I'm curious yeah. I'm too, I never grew up with. When neither detached you go to our parents house, nobody has a microwave. I can't speak for all Armenians by think, I think most oh Army, that I've been houses that I've been to you a re heat the food by putting it in a box and zapping it for a minute. You put it back on the stove, any basically re cook it and it is now almost oriental judgment there. No, no I'm just saying it ll do I want that radiation in my house? I don't know. I first of all does not radiation handing out of a microwave that they fix that problem two years

on the point of making that the disk and curious about this, because this felt like a window into a real thing- you weren't making a joke, but my parents not a generational thing, because my parents, sir my shoulder. Then then your parents, my father's Ike, think he's a hundred and twenty eight years old. He is one of the this man to ever live and he has we ve had a microwave and our houses like the late seventies, It's not a generational thing. Is it man, not generational, now having and soon do you think it might be cultural that that your call you're doesn't believe in putting it in a microwave, because that's cheating, somehow it also. You have to admit that when you re heat, something in a microwave, it's not the same. I would know I've only repeated things at a micro guy, I'm serious, I'm completely dependent on a microwave. I take there's left over food. Might my wife,

two very good cook and she make stuff and its in these. but where containers and I open it and I put it on a plate and now, I put it in the microwave and I put everything on two minutes. I don't care what it is. I put it on two minutes I always forget region and grabbed the plate. With my bare hands burning the skin on my hands, I do has every single time a squid will learn instantly once its stung, not to approach that object. Again, I went to a good cause. each and every time I reach in grab it and us my flesh Sears still that's what I do with everything I microwave everything and I dont know how you can live without a microwave. I just never. You know why. When we will, we were growing up. There was microwave that was old, that someone had that was in the garage that no one used the only time than I ever used it was. I would take it down from the shelf that we were using it to where we started, and I would hate

the wax it I would use to smoking by fits about. I'm sorry wait a minute. Couldn't you have done on the oven? Nor is it it's different. That's that's the wax, leads a microwave. I dont know how to lax into microwave and then, But how is it I never needed it. I mean everything, I'm sorry, I don't know anything about this. You have to heat up wax and you put it on your legs and there and then you pull it off yeah. That's why yeah? That's what we're someone! I know in any way waxed. You wax meant. No, ok, I don't listen, we go track a little bit there. You mentioned so now that you mention something at intrigues me. You said needs all that radiation. Dear we think, there's a lot of radiation coming out of a microwave Ets, there's so much around us in general that I'm kind of like do. I need something else now really, and I I I

you right now. I've never lived with a microwave tack has never. lived with national western. Yes, scientists have anything to do with the fact that your husband in this is a true story, went to a summary. that was near chernobyl- ok seriously, so tat her up in the snow, union, which you now use their sincere until he was eleven. He had apps firstly, no involvement in Chernobyl, no knowingly and not blaming tat your novel, but you told me that he went to a summer camp David it sure noble. Also the way you responded and said that he had nothing to do with it. Now he didn't blame you makes me think. Did he have something to do tribal he's the he? He was it anywhere in the Ukraine, Winter noble happens and I just seems likely protesting tomorrow. It's coded like oh Ukraine, Soviet Union allowing me, and now it was odd right there on the bridge watching the plant. You know just implode. I watched the each Bio movie

she's, very moving and there's a scene, but rather as a young boy and they say tat get out of here, and he says Sunday I marry sooner. He says these are some vietnamese Jonah its end, its you're wondering. Why is this even in the script, because it's not a documentary eddies holding a pivotal part of the reactor that he's he's holding the reactor he had just this The way I had always heard the story. Tat was on a school trip. There, and to Chernobyl to see the plant. They said, don't touch anything TAT said what's, this remedy said tat. You irrepressible scamp, use Anna, that room tack went in there removed. Morton cooing ROD and walked out of the reactor. It exploded, creating one of the worst nuclear disasters ever after which tax fled the Soviet Union came to America married you and then You said, maybe we should get a microwave, any said who needs a microwave watch this and he just

but his hand over the food. Okay now oily. I that's tax origin story with so that tomorrow I will say: listen when we were working Chernobyl and you talk about attack having grown up in the Soviet Union Alight, though all tat we were like fuck no cones gonna watch this and we know he's gonna have all kinds of material and they went introduced, an armenian character whose sole purpose was to kill dogs That is an area that was awful. That was wheeled the whole time. You ruin that view we experience for us like I'd, feel because they ruin it because everything I look at my life now is like how can come to make a Russia that is about that now. I never went after attack in any way. That was two horrifying to me. I really I did not joke about that, but the minute I realized that tack had gone to a summer camp pretty much

at chernobyl- and I realized I- how do I not mention that I do not mention that and that he can re heat. He may Rama Noodles, just by cutting his hands and you can put the noodles inside. I seen him do it. He doesn't it parties, it's fun. He's this is one division, you know, you're he's a vision, your want. Because you're, which, like at times oh, no I'm saying that in which, like in that you have powers, so that was a compliment. Ok, when I thought of it, when I say you're real, which I mean you have a lot of powers, you are, you are outside the norm. Those are all compliments and when I say that his vision I mean he was, responsible for the Chernobyl accident and he was a boy was irradiated. Now he can make Rama noodles in his hands. That's all I'm saying snow insult in here at all does no insult duration is no goofing around those that are all everything. Your thing is true. Ok, thank you. We have your admission. He I hate it here.

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