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My name is Alan Yang and I feel like I'm weirdly, fulfilling a childhood dream thing about being honoured brands friend. That's how I feel right now. This was something that was prophesies each year at an old man on a bridge and he said why it was a troll was underneath it s, regular phone back to banish working there, o Brien welcome too kind o Brien needs a friend we have a terrific Epps good for you today and, as always I'm joined by Matt Goarly are

must produce Ramat high boss. That's nice of you to call me boss to show to acknowledge My my alpha status, Will you get one of those a year the post to the hay shithead. Get fifty of those I get fifty those here and, of course, filling in persona whose off minds she calls on the two little gentleman, sir, Mikey and Charlie her twins. She says they're my little gentleman, which is a very nice way too, to describe to influence that are just shrieking moving all over the place, all that, I'm sorry I've, shrieking improving here, one sorry, you do both camp David hopping. you're, doing a great job did think here, yeah, you really do just ass. We were starting. I was about to tell the group that I saw this.

great documentary last night. Andy, the painter who used to be on tv S and he would paint portraits under your very young fellow David you're, aware of him Bob Ross. Yet you know I'm talking about Adieu, yeah Did you see this documentary man? Yes, I sure did I'm a huge fan of barbarous, not only as an artist but just like someone to put on in the background when I need till I com, anxieties, Yannick here is incredible. It's it's! It's a really great documentary about Barbara. I never knew the whole story, but it's all about where he came from how this guy came to be just painting: landscape, portraits on on television and how it went on for years and years and years, and he just became incredibly successful. But of course, the part of the documentary, that's kind of tragic, is how he was expelled weighted by these people around him and this this husband I've team extorted exploited him. Then

got his name in likeness and they got the rights to all of it and they really screwed him over and screwed over his family as just a very powerful documentary, and it s got me thinking with this. and to me, because I was watching it and you know it this tendency Matt. Whenever I look at any thing, I immediately make it about me yeah. I do know that yeah, that sort of that's called a conan so I'm watching this and I'm watching this really sweet fond of creativity and talent. That's your theory falls apart, though I excuse me what sir I'm not done yet. Let me just get through this before you start with your zinc in your barbs in your heart harbours. Ok, I saw Bob Grass was well known as being just this incredibly talented guy and just magnetic in a once in a century talent- and he on television in people, love him and he's very sweet and all

cares about- is the work sound familiar Matt Ali cares about is making a good podcast or a good late night show I'm sorry and forgot, I'm not I'm by Bob now, but oh. He cares about is putting out quarrel buddy and connecting with people and being Rio and spreading his infection his joy and connecting people to his God, given talent and bringing their people of earthquake together, then these people along and say, hey. We could monetize this. Who are you getting while I'm just saying it's something I worry about, but you know our pie

cast Guru Adam sacks. I don't even know if he's here. Is he here he's here? Don't you I'm always here. For God's sake, I now ask yourself: if you're here, please right behind all my he's in the apartment with you is calling from inside the podcast Adam. I'm just gonna. Ask you write off. Have you been secretly conspiring to at full rights to my my face, likeness and vocal characteristics? Yes, or no? No! No! No actual spoken like someone who is doing exactly that like two weeks ago it was very late at night and Adam showed up at my house, and he said quick sign these papers now. Adam knows, I start drinking at around seven p m. Then I guess you're. You start drinking and wielding in ink pen around it yeah. Well, it's one of my affectations one. I've been drinking a lot. Is I get a month

my pen and I waited around and I say I'll sign anything sign anything. I will ding Dong, it's eleven o clock at night. My wife says: who could that be? I opened the door and its Adam with all these papers, and I didn't see much. I saw a name likeness ownership for all eternity simulator and then I shall start signing staff and I said what is this stuff Adam in Adam said Joe don't you worry? Don't you worry sleep sleep so I did. I went to sleep so any Then I see the Bob Ross Documentary and I start to worry Now- Adam no what's going on, but I just I beg you please, if you aspiring to destroy me because I'm not I'm not conspiring, am I I think it's my job to protect you.

That's what I'm doing this man, that's what the people in the talent godfather tat sound has massive. Ah, Adam ever says to me, is: don't you worry I'll, protect you and I'll say won't. Just tell me what's going on, he goes sleep a lot of time at sight when he sing me at one o clock in the afternoon and we're standing in a brightly lit parking lot in LOS Angeles and I'll make sleep written, discuss. Slowly padding. You know he has this. It's weird. He takes out what I thought at first was a watch fog, but it's just a little medallion and he's he'd swings it like a pendulum in front of me. He says, and I always pick up like three hours later so wherever you are and there's ink all over my hands, because I guess I ve been the signing this. My wedding,

I can't wait for this documentary I want to pitch this. Is a documentary ever and a document that will just infuriate people because it will be presenting me as in this way that people don't see why don't you make it? You have his rights filled. My first project is rivers. Project is the destruction of Conan, O Brien, a beloved national treasure immediately reviewers like what the fuck strained to some unknown streaming survey angles and then sell it. So much was streaming service. It may not even exist ceasing coming soon on sea, so the destruction, if Conan Brian, So how will you ever know if Adam is given upper cease control of your name in likeness? You know what I go by sitcom logic. Have you watch any said come from the sixties or Seventys the men? a character comes into money, any money that can

character immediately enters the sat wearing the same thing, every time which is a yachting cap and a blue laser about was the nineteen sixties and they always say things like well, I know sessions two character. Just came into a lot of money, but he saw it as Iraq. It won't change him and just then they go ahead cap and who Glaser so I'm always looking, and that goes for, like all the way, through all the sitcoms in the seventies and eighties, yawning cat blue Blazer. That's when you know people have. Have come into a fortune so I've got my eyes peeled. I dont have an accountant. I dont do any forensics on the books here at at at team cocoa. I just look for any employee whose ring a yachting cap and a blue blazer and suddenly talking in a very cocky accent left for us and now the third. that's how well now

right. Well, I'm very excited. My guest today is an Emmy award, winning writer director and producer, who is working. such shows is parks and recreation. The good place and master of none now he's hosting a new podcast with Rob low right here on the team, cocoa podcast network, it's called parks and recollection and it is the definitive parks and recreation relaunch. Pod asked it premiers tomorrow September fourteenth and the trailer is already up so check it out and subscribed now see, don't miss the premier episode. I am very excited to talk to this gentleman today he is very talented. Alan Yang welcome

you're interested in comedy at a very early age right yeah. It's a thing were again. This is this is just we were talking about day, let him an earlier for me. You were like Letterman because I didn't want Letterman, so I just thought that was commonly used to me was the Simpsons as scenario Seinfeld and and and Kronos late night to me so is the weird thing for me: well, that's very kind of you to say and we're just gonna put down the loop. We're gonna put that over and over and over again to truly it's more functional. My age is now a guy like you better the letter written access to exaggerate its really doesn't fix equity. Exactly you just Weren't alive, when Davis hidden it out of the park, that's all I'll start first of all by gratulating you on the podcast you're doing with with Mr Rob low and it's called parks and recollection, This is a show that I'm very excited about. Yes, full disclosure, it

part of our team cocoa Empire, if you will, but you guys talking about that show, which I really admire, which you rode on, and so you have all this access that was put together, as does rob from a different angle, something very cool price yeah it has an. U producing has nothing to do with me being here zero or not at all out. I had you don't say something. Alan, I met a point in my career. Where I dont even know what I'm involved in any more so empire is an employee is a genuine you don't really get really is I am, and so there are there times where people remind me, hey Conan, you have a big part of x on mobile right. like you're, a major stockholder and Might, oh, I didn't know and that's when you encourage them to just forget saved. Precautions send the boats out. There are no matter what the weather conditions are, just hey, they're, getting paid at the last time. I checked there are getting money and I say,

If there's a rough seas in the North Atlantic get out there and get the oil, that's what I say to them or the icebergs mail, but the park as now. The package has been really fun. We just are recording it an end calf at four to be honest, I was like If I want to watch all these episodes hits a glad it's, let's bring people up to date. You you worked for when you there are the entire time we re in river, a hundred and twenty five episodes as far as writers go make sure the cold creator. In me, I were the only ones who were there the whole time, strident, yeah so and so you were there that show- and I remembered obviously, very good friends with great Daniels who, who was responsible for bringing the office to United States and then, Of course you know how to and in in getting parks and wreck going, and so I was very familiar with both shows in a member. The office had kind of a slow start.

Initially and then took off parks and wreck, it didn't happen right away for parks and wreck. It still taking off now it twenty twenty one. I didn't know it it. It was the season one, it was. It was definitely almost in identical, chapter two: the office in think for similar reasons, because if you like the office so a great deal of the office. Again, a brilliant show he's adapting from british one result of the first seasons, little bit closer to the british one. And then this- can seize in Canada sprouts its wings and in flies on its own and be under its own thing in parts Erech started, as was conceived at first, was maybe gonna be in office spin off and it wasn't, and so that first season I think my can Gregg were still trying to work out kinks in trying to how different from the office totally etc right and then second season it really starts taking off and part of that was taken Amy. Parlors personality is well and and and making use of herself a really a tv show, in my opinion, is not a finite it's an organism. The show

I've always really loved. You look at the Simpson For example, you can look at the first season. and then Castle now does not have homers voice. Yet his way into homer was he sort of thought of his voice is being a Walter, math, thou kind of voice, and you can listen to that first year, the Simpsons and that's all. A boy. He has allowed a boy here boy now we will send me and then it changes and then they find it- and I think, shows like a lot of things and probably like our restaurant or you know so much the endeavours. You need to figure it out. You need, if you find it by doing it and think people sometimes misunderstand and think it's a widget, its thing it's manufactured in your cranking them out and you do twenty two and then the next twenty two, the only way You really know what your show it is by doing it. My way Night shows were constantly. changing and morphing and often sometimes not by design was just shit.

desperation. We don't have any thing today. I know, let's would have a barrel Astrid aided and then suddenly you're off on that and you ve hit with many cholera ants, that's after our television about what is an agenda I'll just as far as masturbation humor goes, I think are quite fair. a renaissance fight, but yeah it's it's. It's fast mean to me that these things and evolve and its it was all signed on day want it's fascinating. It's exactly what you said witches and you lived on along into this right. You're doing a daily show a show, and I have you can really react to what the audiences think being allowed there. I acting right what you're like as a whole. What Andy's doing whatever all that stuff. You can react, it's a reader, react type thing and so, with a show like parts, they don't make that shows that run that long anymore. So here we are, we went on you master, none, it's been

Six years, we ve done twenty five at the sense of master. You know, I think it's right crazies, as is now. I why tuned in yesterday, he sixty five years old yeah and he is on his third hip. Yes, that kind of television where you just cranking it out every day and going through massive arcs, sort of creative arcs over three month peer hit. Seattle in and you know, people sought or they didn't. There was no checking out later on online now you, go back and watch it and for a lot of people for the first time they say what a minute there's something going on here and I think that's what's happened with parks and wreck. Is that its enjoyed a renaissance, I'd friends with offer men, and he said the same thing like this is this is fair fascinating that people are finding the show now and we its Ben. What has it been ten years since you guys made one year and its fun is hell? We watch that's what I'm realizing already watching it it. It's almost perfectly design for

now twenty twenty twenty twenty one, the darkest who, for a long time where I everyone's indoors you're. Looking for something warm something heartfelt, something comforting. It's a rate we watch until I'm sorry, I don't like an embassy executive right now, but but literally like while wilding it it's yeah. If I was going into night terror Vienna at just something I smell so from their people like Nick off from in as good as he is there's going to be part of him. That's always runs nonsense, because the show was so written towards him. You I knew neck before he did parks and wreck, and I had once gone on a bicycle ride with Nick and his chain exploded while we were riding this was in Seattle, long story, but I dont even know him. He wasn't a famous actor. He was still a couple years away from doing parks and wreck and he went, he fell. the stone and said. Well, hang on now I have to rebuild

this chain using a stone, and I watched him forge a new chain using stones, chamois, I'm not kidding, and he made that she fixed the Cheney and he went well there you go off, we are now and yeah and with his moustache, and I thought this is unbelievable, what an unbelievable character. It's like a Theodore. Roosevelt came back to life because he's so self Reliance so self sufficient, and then you guys really issue you wrote to him, which is as Ike is faster now reads like a better than it was. I just made it into an electric by. I found some carbon and I was able to make a crude but effective battery. It also purifies water, yeah, yeah, yeah, real nice and freshwater, made from my urine, but now free of all nitrogen, but I was executed, mentioned something very similar, which is you go. I can we watch that show and you see no government as runs wants.

You say, Amy Polar, Easy Aziz. You see our replies. Are you see Chris Pratt israeli Sheeta? You see Rob! Well, you see Adam Scot I Every one of those actors has gone on to lead their own show or started movies or both young, and that is extraordinary assigned worded it's a fantastic cast. What cracks me up is, of course, rob low. I know you're doing, by gas with Rob low, and I always have MIKE my I'm very different from raw blow. How so well, let me goodbye, I have what you'd call a normal person is bone structure and face. its rotting. His age. I have things about me that don't look so good beady eyes thin lips, a massive prominent. I vain a pallid complexion, and there's rob blow and Hilarious he's been the most handsome man in the world forever and Ireland

we're talking to him once and I made some just sort of often remark about. I just imagine you rob reaching in your pocket and being able to pull out a small vials of creams and oils that Europe and your skin put constantly, and he looked at me with that great rob, low deadpan reached into his pocket and pulled out a vile of cream, see ass, squeeze them out and then apply them under his eyes and when actually, my own brand. You might like to check it out. Conan and of course it wouldn't work on me, my how just catch fire but a blow is not like you are I he is a different species altogether. He exists outside of time and space who is doing for oh shit yesterday, for just for this, biogas in the his voters were done was like I'm I'm a little younger than Rob, but am I can't tell you what is it you look better that there's no way you're ever gonna look like that is no way, so you know you you accept it. You like this The movie star, this guy looks like a movie star. God bless, but also you know in terms of the and like knowing him as a guy. It's very interesting.

Think similar issues even talking to you, where you know Robert, was in movies right where and when I was a kid and end you don't ever expect to meet someone like that, he is so funny. Unapplied Gaskell's, he's genuinely excited enthusiastic. Much like his character in the show is about everything and by the way he's not in a lot of the episodes to start, and then he starts joining the shown season do so. As he's commentary, when he's not in the episode this could show you some raw blow him. How do you know what a handsome guys and I'll show you a little more? I could use a little bit more, you know what they're so is missing rob low, because you worked pretty closely with Rob, obviously yeah definitely, I think he says you remember the first time he came to set MIKE assigned me to take him around and my government

nor the said, and I think he can't take a liking to me and like we exchange and phone, you call me sometimes so yeah you note a few mistook you for his. He just Southwick work s you're my personal assistant, every girl did I got. How do you got drive me to work with an out and out so I asked the Santa Barbara to driving to work out, and could you carry me too the men's room away? I don't like walking there myself, but it's interesting because I dont know if it is true, but I've heard that robs character Trigger was somewhat based on how people perceived you is, that is that True, I would say there are very sort of bits in peace. sick, as I would say, I would credit a lot of it to make sure who came in. I was like what, if he's like kind of a health nod- and you know very positive list of, but certainly I did a few things in the room. I think we're probably fairly

the people, but I was, I was always a pretty happy person, but I had an office tat, adjoined, the writers, Europe, which is like a big area with couches, where people sit around pitch ideas for the show, and I'm a very active person like to walk around like to walk in circles. I I just need to burn up energy. I put up a pull a bar in my office door and again I'm ready gradually apologized, and when are you just put up a sign that says, don't like me, when you put it would do. I would do not pull up all of decay pop up on my job, which is really like. I it's, I know it's annoying so, but by the way, continued heartless at least heartless. Well, very well, at a certain point you know so we we kind of put that in the show is something that rail blows character did then a certain point Chris Pratt was trading to do. You know zero hour, thirty and drastic world and guardians novels, and then he would come in its entirety. Pop ups are so we had you gave this is kind of antithetical. I beg to a lotta writers rooms. Words like how much

can. I lie down and how many snacks gotta eat this girl's against. I mean every writers room, I think springs of, probably change. I know they have changed, but in my era and at which, encompasses almost three decades or over three decades. Actually it was all fried food writers not moving or moving as little as possible and then three five or six years, one of the writers we'd get their cholesterol checked, and go through a health phase for a month and then go right back to the fried food. I never did polyps. You need muscles in your upper body. This is technically to do a pull up. That's what's always discouraged me from doing this is the worst You were here. Origin story ever is like a meaningless superhero. So when I was a kid I couldn't do any polyps like ours my upper body might be hard for. You believe, was very weak, very skinny. I was like fifty pounds. I was like forfeit nothing, I think, just to become normal. I had it try to start like lifting weights and working out a little bit again corners looking there right now. I am not a big man, I'm proud of hundred forty pounds.

but where I got you fainted three times just walk into the Panchen Lama, we had to bring your Emma smelling. I've already slight, but no I got. I got the poor by, I literally, you know like ok. Now I want to work my way up. So I do a hundred a day. That's gonna franchise went from zero overdue member. What Robert in Euro did in Cape fear when he's upside down and he's he's doing lease crunches hanging upside down from a rod or early, he suspend, yeah apartment alone- and he has he's crazy tattoos. I do that and I do all of the attempted murdering. So I did. which it burns alot of calories, yeah that you know, attempted murder, burns more calories than murder the running around its the missing is why this issue any message that really gets you shred of man failing to kill someone burns, fifteen hundred, more calories and actually killing the hiding under people's cars like sneaking out of their boats back. That's why that's my next work out. That's my ex vague. He clung

What car that drove like eight hundred miles to the bottom of a car you're holding on site man yeah, I symmetric isomeric. Every time I see that movie and it's a fantastic movie. Cape fear, starting with the rubber too near us. We're says he version, but whenever He climbed underneath the car and just decides to hang onto it for aid read my eight. You know Nick Noughties driving over those things that prevent you from backing up out of a parking lot without paying you is this getting shredded. You could splice in little clips of him driving over increasingly high. So I start things I think, he's a scared, always money. Now we'd when I was at the Simpsons, we did a cape fear Gary and I know about and Sideshow Bob clung underneath a car and you don't remember, I'm sure people right now being likely you totally courses would happen, but I remember, I think I think that family did probably dry

over shit you get out of here is rising and say plagiarized episode that I worked on and and very good time to. Hang it up, it's going to hang it up. Trust me this time for me to hang it up in two thousand and six. But you'll see in show business the joyous to keep hanging around long after no one wants you that's the part. I love rim aftermath there you go, we call this. The grim after I've got another you next yeah, I'm still here without arise. If you silly depressed were struggling with, uncertainty are having difficulty sleeping. I check this out better help offers experience therapists who can listen and help you out. I have to say as this before I've been very open about the fact that looking after my mental health and seeking out therapy, has been incredibly important to me

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You ve accomplished a great deal at a very young age. We have the same alma mater. We both went to Harvard College. I graduated at twenty two like a normal person. You majored in biology, wrote come ready for the lampoon and graduated at nineteen. How does one do that? I think I had turned twenty, so you don't look out Mayor twenty, putting your biosensors nineteen, so some someone's verging on my behalf- and it wasn't me but but yeah, I went to college young and how does one go to college young? Did you where you were? You moved up a great early on because you're I actually skip senior year of high school, so it was probable. I don't know. Why did so? I went to a girl from Riverside California and I don't want to massive public schools and they were like the best. Dynamic schools in the world. You know my my high school is probably twenty. Five hundred kids or something

very, very diverse socio, economically, has twenty five hundred kids in one class red one in English. Why not allow that's? Ok, I gotTa George TAT violence just throw ground beef into until the aisles to feed everyone. Exactly like your? U basic got a better education to be said towards the front, because you could hear the deed but now it was it so so near the end of my high schools. My council, just like you running at a classes like you don't have the Euro have like math assigns classes to take so they're. Like one hour, and you could apply to college and just take your test stuff, so really torrent, because I like high school and you know, would miss my friends stuff, but I figured you know do stay one more year and just take Englishman

five elective, or do I apply to college into Seo Euro area like someone who got drafted earlier in my school and decided it's time to go prize? Basically me Kevin Garnett, Lebron James Collage, Audio gotta, so your name at your name is always listed with that meets the value added guys, but when they talk about calmly right, yeah, weird part, but but I was put our scarce, all parties colleges and I ended up getting a Harvard. I was I was terrified. I was terrified. I was like these kids a good schools. They went to private schools and I. are there and my my fears were kind of upheld so, like yellow these kids know a shelter here like they like know each other and their like. Do I went to prep school? Yes, I saw a man, omelette, Island Taiwanese, get from riverside and and and I didn't only when they are so so I cottages don't try to work right so that China to biology would everyone's working in labs, and I was like- I got good grades, fresh music dm. I did it.

Those like a miserable still like, like. I don't want to do this for my life, like what else can I do so? That was when I started pursuit pursuing other creative stuff. You not put. I played upon crop ban and we were to a round the Boston area and I try to get on the lamp and then, when I got my opinion that there really changed my life ass. So I want to explore this. For. Second, your parents are from Taiwan right at the immigrants there there immigrants and so what were their lives like in Taiwan? What was your dad's life like in Taiwan? So my dad grew up in a really really small town. like. A village is called away in the english English translation, his tie, your tail and in its he grew up really poor, so he grew up. His mom had three kids in his dad past way. When was one, and so everyone in this sort village told her to give him up for adoption cause it's like you can't take,

There are three: did she worked at a sugar factories so she worked. I beseech you like made the bags at the sugar came in and she was stubborn, so she said Almah given up my youngest son, I'm keeping him. It turned out to be a good decision cause. My dad was really break hit, so he's really bright. He grew up and we helped her out the factory little bit, but but he was really good at schools. Though he it in Taiwan is all test base. So he took a test and like at some point he did really well in tests and he got to go to college, and so he now we want to God. Then he went to medical school so like It was all tat space in Taiwan, so he can. I cannot help down to care the family. You know you edit a moving to America. Mamma Mamma I want so. My mom was not her. Family is a little better off, but you know still not crazy, so they to America and innate they moved to the Bronx, they moved like a tiny apartment Bronson, and that's. Where might you know my dad Mamma had my sister, so am I

this is chronicled in a movie that I directed called Tiger DES rise at which is my dad's on town. But it's you know it's kind of a love letter to my family in homage to some some ages, cinemas. Well, some want our wine Edward Yang in motion, and so yeah because I just remember very distinctly. Might my dad telling me those stories and I would consider the fact that in one generation. He didn't have no food to eat ass, a kid and then the next thing you know his son gets too

creating shells, and how do I get a warrant? Is absurd zone gets in the way we go in and talk about his life, which is totally absurd, yeah about which we know to be fair, your dad, even when he was a very poor and an young said one day my son is going to have a pod can one day turning to train a team of cocoa in commenting on islands door, that's the dream of many immigrants is. I want mice, my child, to have the podcast I couldn't have. Will this begs the question, though, which which does fascinates me when immigrants come from great poverty and they come to this country. It may have to figure it out, out and they have to live. They have to make themselves, and this is the struggle, is so so difficult Stakes are so high and then, their son is accepted too now the oldest in one and most prestigious colleges in the country. goes and he's going to major in biology. What have

And when you go to them and say, I've got a different idea. I want to write comedic light. Situations for television, I wanna be broken unemployed and Hollywood has. Basically, I will give my parents credit for this. They hid their profound disappointment at the time when I told them I mean that they are all them again you I was like I said I you know before I was younger and I think there were like look

Let him get this out of assist right, let him be hungry for awhile and and and will see what happens, and you know my mom is really funny. My mom, you know she's gone through her. Her her life arc is so interesting. She she she might have got divorced, one allows like fifteen or so, and she she's at what I do now. I would I do like I- and I came this country like my english- is the strongest not fluid and associate sheet? She gonna put her head down it and start learning. She wanted a junior college. You want to call it and she and of getting a teaching credential in and she became a teacher, so she became like like a high school teacher and and and and strategic math and her thing with her students. She's great is your way and she reasoned retired, she's, great teacher, but she would say, like this country is so easy. You have no idea she's like she's. Like my kid. Don't work that hard there I'm going to harbour that Europe S College, that's the best. You got like that's the best you have, so they kind of had a sense of humor.

About it and they were like I'm joking, but they are always so supportive and, I think, really in the back their minds, because I think they're at their core very very open minded people I think they're like. Why did we come this country except for the fact that our someone had the freedom to make choices. Stupid is this great expectation that choice and in and try, and I think they were right, they are actually weirdly kind of they didn't say. Meeting at the time was that they were. They were never sadism person, but they were I think there are kind of weirdly proud that I was taking the chance and yell I'm shrilly Armenia worked out so well. You know I got back to this idea because you're doing good work and sometimes have encountered people that have said to me really winter. You went to this really get school school and know. Why aren't you off curing cancer and I think well, first of all I didn't have that brain. So it's not that there was a cancer cure out there. I could have figured out an and supplied it and second of all, there are plenty of people that graduate from the

these high flattened schools that go out and invent napalm and or come up. I would like that counterfeit yeah yeah, I'm not taking you, think, that's a uniform EU yeah you or I mean I didn't figure out a way didn't invent fracturing there. There are plenty of, and so you know that if the bar supervillain sorry video at all the good Superveillance went to Ivy League School, you look it up as to yeah yeah doktor evil went to Brown the same guy. You play mark Zuckerberg maximum right. It's not like that. We know it's not a coincidence by the way So I always noticed when people they're not just flailing around saying I wrote for these thirty five terrible shows before I start running for good shows. When people sort have a sense of where they might fit in so the parks and wreck gig was that was at the. for sure you felt like yes, I fit into this world. It was

extraordinary to get that job number one and number two. It definitely felt like wow. It's a great fear, I'm learning a lot, and I credit MIKE and Gregg me. You know those guys really well, they really look at it as a place of style. Writing staff has a place where they can nurture younger riders and guide them and teach them, and that is where I learned so much, and I talked about that. You know with these are the times I meant they we got a show and we're thirty. Instead of twenty four or whatever and an end Laura, worked on a hundred offices, a tv. You know it's like. I start as staff writer which, for those of you don't know, that's like a first year writers and jelly and end you nobody. and the show MIKE. Let me round the room. Sometimes I erected episodes I help added. Are you all that stuff and then you to make your own show you're, not quite as last you're still last, because you know you don't know what is likely to be the actual boss, but you know

how zero different kinds of show runners out there miss one of the things I always loved about Santa lives? That law? What say you are in charge of this sketch? I know you're twenty three twenty four years Well, you just got here and you know nothing, but you thought of sketch so you're, it's up to you to go talk to wardrobe, it's up to you to talk to the sector. Minors. It's up to you to watch the blocking of it. It's up to you to check out the props. and I thought this is insane and none of us any, but it was producer. Now it is your young and any throw you in the water and say you're, either going to drown or you're going to swim, and I thought, when you give someone kind of responsibility and says it's here. It's yours to fuck up or be a hero. It's amazing how quickly you can grow if you're, determined, Demur, and hopefully you are the right person Reich as it like. That's that's, but they but they buy them. Given you that confidence is it's kind of self perpetuating, someways armor,

being on set up. Our record I was there was brought. My second third episode that had ridden and of their redeem hall into was an error on the show within started directing. So it was his second episode and we didn't. There are some problem. We did not solve and we looked around. No one was like: wasn't there gray wasn't more exact that libraries over there will this is it man, you wouldn't be cut to figure this out and we just doing the same thing happening masters like me: disease look round where they were the dad's, where the Mama data, the ship right, we're gonna do it. So let me ask about this cause you're working on person, rack, and then you gravitate obviously to disease and it's funny because you guys have you, have a similar energy to disease in some ways in here right, like you guys, there's a there's, a certain I see it. I see how there is like a fool who cockiness to this, to the sense of humour which can be really enjoy go and find an? U gravitate,

words disease, and then you guys find your way into making masters of none and that ends up being sort of his pitch perfect show- and I do think that show you know it was a good fit with Netflix because Netflix Head had three shows it had a when we pitched Netflix, they had house of cards, they had oranges and you black and they had this

Lily hammer which was about a gangster in Norway. Yes demands that Serbia, so that was put show. I pick that, as I would like to note America, it wants to see Stevens Aunt in Norway and pretty good hit rate to a three way like made it. I still consider that show a hit the money just pouring in a way that that seventy six dollars I made last year hosting their market cap right tenth around his very rapid. I am the Lily Amor Reboot, whereby a really really would have us in or weakening gangster whom the city I want to ask who watch Lillehammer did anyone. I never checked it out, and I just saw as scowling Stevens Aunt, who I knew from the sopranos and from the street band scowling and Snow Bank, and it just

said, Lily Hammer and I never checked it out you're getting at so many angry lillehammer fans, the hammerheads it yet again that they gotta come. Nobody was into bring it on. I say something it on weirdly. We got lucky because we were, we were talking about master no and in and we were gonna make the Shell Netflix body. We were so excited, we're gonna, make a show and then parks and wreck got picked up another season, so that part picked up for its final season essentially and we're gonna bomb he's right out. We won't we're. Gonna go to our own, show Netflix cool about it. They said just you, it's ok put pen in it, so we went to work no parts per season. but during that whole time we were just freaking out because really Goma guy we have this show and to be told. guys to show we pitch. Netflix was completely different was, It was diseases like you, no kind of more of a normal show, an inner just like a comedy standard, Joel, maybe dating whatever, and then we start panicking and said: oh, my god, we're gonna get to make the show part of any part of ending

but is this the show we want to make its just a normal? I shall like. Could it be better like we really push ourselves, and that was when you know we took a trip to New York and and and were walking around his racking, our brains, Oh god, we pressure on us we'll make the show, and we went back to our hotel room where we were talk on the phone and in I contact my dad, who I alluded to earlier sick man. He didn't the food aid. As a kid like you know he had Patsy pet chickens in and he killed the chickens even for dinner. That any mean I'm really sad and disease. like that story really true, and I was like Yemen, He lived in a hot like the size of the corner of his room. Niece. I forget our we're talking about. Let us make that so I don't care about my life in New York City. Even a good restaurants like that's actually interesting, yes, so that became the second episode of the show and we're that really sort of broke open in terms of any episode could be about anything You know I'm curious about because now, with with with the parks and wreck podcast, you look

king back. It shows and you're a very young guy, especially from any, by any stretch of the imagination, you're young, very young man, but from my perspective, your foetus have noticed gather. I does remain out. I've been going through a clear, very charming and sharp faded and I think you're going places foetus, but we ve been through. Like six, I feel like six. throw revolutions just in the last five years. Last three months, yeah, you look at a tv shows from ten. Fifty years ago, and you must already be seeing things where you think, where we wouldn't do that today, Yemen, in in multiple episodes, polar scare don't ask disease if he's libyan, he should know, may indicate here. Do that you, like I'm any adverbs out their letter. There's turn system you would never do today. There are tons of stuff they like, but by the way, like, I think so, things to me, fall in the category of like yeah. Don't wash that anymore right, like those tons of stuff words like, I don't think I can watch them anymore part

for me when I watch it. It's like yeah, there's the odd joke. Every few episodes like analytic doubt that would find twenty twenty one, but for the most part it's like you. it's a pretty warm shock which pretty diverse ed like yeah. It's it's hard. It's in the right, isn't right place, and I just saying that, because I worked on it, but it is, you're, saying it because you're doing a podcast I'm doing going. I really want to buy shares our sitting on a team. Those people argue about trying to monetize it again. No, no! It's! Basically! You know It really is what you said, which is all I mean. Look at you look it air when you look at blazing Sal. Is you go even further bag? You look it stuff like? Are we not gonna watch Billy wilder? Are we not going away? You know what our far back. You wanna go it again. It's all contact. There was a context. There is a peace the other day in the New York Times that really stunned me, because the I think that the headline was in the art section was which class

Dick classical paintings or paintings from the renaissance era should get a pass. and I said I thought what that's Let's let me our ban by to be fair. Like most things, I didn't read it yesterday, you rather so, if you like, but you know what it's worth but Alamo and I look maybe it goes on to say really brilliant things and I wasn't paying attention. I just want people to know. I read the headlines of the New York Times pieces, but who has time to read all that stuff? I guess that take away as current doesn't want you to look about a jelly anymore. You can't look at it, I just don't over. I just think its offensive is already over the Venus. I just think it objective eyes Venus. They put this closed. That show up close that sell up. You have the misfortune, slash fortune of being the writer who wrote the iconic treat yourself epoch. I would have parks and rather earlier- and I remember- episode and remembered also, you know feel

like: oh yeah, that's gonna be a catch up and then it became a catchphrase and it's a mixed blessing, probably not as much for you but for Aziz, walking around these interim at any did when when you say I wrote I putting quoting wrote in quotes because my name might be episode, but everyone pitches, reverie episode, and I don't even know who came up a treat yourself like the egg. I cried I attributed to the room so, but I will say it is. Why I'll to walk around like trader Jos and its history its end, then I'm sure these and read it when they walk around in a move through the world they get it allow concerns like with what

It was not even if it wasn't a thing before the shell right leg. It wasn't really a thing. It was your asking. I'm you know, I don't even I just read the headlines of the newspaper, so I realise that the video turns out a piece out before I tell the New York Times has a headline about it, that that explains itself completely in the headline. I can't help you know, but I do think that it is an interesting thing for them to become like a catchphrase out of my talk about with Rob a little bit were his character had literally right. So, like his character, he would say literally to him now say: okay, well, that's his it's! It's it's a gift and occurs right, it's a, but it can be averted Donnie Hair, but I don't know when I said this, but when I walk around people say you suck it well. Yes, that was catchphrase at one point you got to own it. It's a legendary. I know you mainly poor. Alongside can I ask operating, bear the legendary use current Zadok shivering masturbated bear in use for rain, and those record time is this. really fine, I've. I I admire you? I think, you're a really nice

its talented guy and I'm I'm happy that you're out there making good stuff it just it fills me with the law, So thanks for hanging with me and thanks Fer, you know many of us. I dont want to sit next to rob love because we just look like those plastic turn that you could buys Practical joke, yeah you're, a good man, you're good man, is taking the bullet round. I don't like guys man taking that's gonna, let you shot normally, let's get Alan Yang and rob low and it's you shot and see which way the camera goes. Actually you clean up pretty nice, you do all right. I m all right. Am I right now my district, you into a compliment you so you know thank you so much for having me, you know, sir, will see we'll see still remain friends

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well last episode David. You kind of your youth with your finger on the pulse right and you helped us understand a little bit about what Tik Tok is team. Cocoa now has a tick tock, it's at team, cocoa on Tik, Tok and you're gonna, and by the way I wanna be really honest. People listening, I didn't even know this. This is cited. Listen! This is how out of touch. I am in the end. They say, Howard Hughes really didn't understand what was happening in his business, because He was naked sitting in a reclining chair, watching the same movie over and over and over again and being it

and the two by Mormons and collecting here, and I'm at that stage yeah eyes naked right now I am naked. I have jars of urine around me Mormons attend me and I'm watching isolation. Zebra again and again, I guess watch that sure you and when I'm crazy, germ affair with really long fingernails and that's the stage I mad and now I'm being told that I have at team, cocoa. I have a tick tock account and that it say: it's blowing up the anger. Don't really well! Ok, I mean I'm not or not. You know it now, please. Yeah, it's just stunning to me and As I said in the last instalment, I thought Tik Tok meant people sing in lip singing and dancing around and making food. so themselves an posting. An embarrassing their children- and you say that is a chunk of Tik Tok with that there's so much more to allow Maria you're going to take us through some of the show us some so with some of your these two

talks, you'd made yes, I had started to you Like I said I was super addicted to it and then I the video from their Madame two sides: Wax Museum, they're dead, really well, so the main right me to come back to the museum to take more tik tok? I think that next one is a video of be highly Jenner. So this is a curious fashion- is like the first ever on podcast Tik Tok Film Festival base. This is crazy. Okay, so this is fascinating, so you're gonna play us now. This is madam to soda and you went there and who we looking at her there's gonna be a highly Jenner generous that I dont know their say: semi if I've gotta youngest one, the one who's like Billinger, no she's, not a billion her ass. She not, I know, Then they expose their wants to say they monkey around with the numbers there she's doing really, while the no. She only has like twenty two thousand dollars in a bank LAO. This is true and then MA am

yeah Chris manipulated the numbers and said it was a billion and and the Forbes list fell for it but she only has twenty two thousand dollars in the bank and they just repossessed her Her old dodge on, I saw she's pregnant again, so that's bad timing. just. I M really expose heard a journalist, but she's really got next to nothing exclusive yeah. I think so. Sylvia she's with she lives in a she's. One of ninety It lives in a studio, apartment stage in it. dark mentioned in a tick Tock mansion. Okay, we get us but speed how many views does this video video haven't? How many followers do you have haven't tiktok? I have a hundred and twenty six thousand while ours and this one guy, I'm sorry, I'm sorry honey. Did you say that I had of the five hundred Fifty eight now wait a minute. Ok, I'm sorry. I just told me Conan you're, killing it on Youtube. You ve got a hundred and fifty eight thousand my assistant, in the room

has almost the same number yeah no I'm sorry! This is not me. This is not me putting you down, but its absurd. I haven't Troutina Ben working in one capacity to another to entertain Amerika and the world for well over three decades, sir, and and how old are you twenty nine it? Twenty nine year old can come in and say. Oh, I like this that form to, and let me give it a try. Oh look as many as Conan O Brien, a man I was I lived in England would have been needed by now. You also only have twenty two thousand dollars in the bank I know I'd, be I made really crazy investments. Fault theme, restaurants, it's my and so I will congratulations David. He doing well and so show us this tick. Can you tell us about it, so this one guy over one and a half million views, cheese could add. What are these people? really liked, but the Kindly Jenner Wax it

Ok, so explain, grew by to see. Ok, so let's be highly Jenner, wax figure and then I'll call part of Tik. Tok too, is figuring out the best audio to put behind it. So I had to a video clip of Kiley singing, so I save that audio and been used for this now getting away. I just finished a whole cover. Forty two thousand of my second on coordination on now let me with Kiley for a second point: that's it! That's it! That's all it is. Is you took video of a colleague, general wax figure in and then your big contribution was to add a song. That's out there of her singing to it and at last I think six. Second, nobody can figure out the tick tock algorithm, so sometimes that works in your favour. Thou if God sent out to a bunch of people and then you peak in at the end, of course, you're wearing a mask. She is not she's, not the way

Statue is rife with covered. The statue is made of solid covert and some wax how many a million and a half people are and then like one of the ones I did. It was like a whole view of like these our floor of the wax museum and so part of Tik. Tok too, as you can do, video replies to comments, so someone say your wax figure. So then I tried to get this success with highly of yours. I had someone posted a clip of you and I are Michaud Soil use that audio friend of the show wouldn't want in David, I forgot that there's a wax statue of me. A guy bandanna do as well as highly this re, so lie so you bring it up and then, with the minute you get me to buy, you dump a job I ain't bucket of manure on how many views devouring get. I dont. I think

get thousand, maybe two thousand as opposed to a million and a half see that's the thing. Not nobody knows how it works on now. I think we know how it on our eyes out London, I sent a note of it. Is that the wax statue looks like Larry. Can you look like you yeah, it's Slattery King, with an orange wig over, so that's an easy idea that you can do as you can just reply. Like I just replied about persons comment you could go and reply to people's comments now replied. If I'm looking to engage in this, I was just humiliated and I had nothing to do with it. I did nothing. You followed up a very It wildly successful, Kiley Jenner Tiktok, by shooting my whack statue and is that of getting a million and a half, which is what Kiley got. I got a house and that's not my fault. You did this to me, you put me out there and then you shamed me I've been made

and he did it all on your time. That's gonna die love this. While you were dead, striking my credibility, Europe in paid by me? You did your own shame raising coup. This is wow. This is, I cannot, I dont understand any of it I'll. I'm very tonnages and I dont understand, I'm very worried. The people are worried about things that are there legitimate in a global warming, and you know just the polarization of our country. I'm worried about this now. I think This is going to destroy us everyone's down everyone's just walking around you just walking around and and everyone is a guess, shooting their water bottle and then an end. And putting like a three stooges track to it for aid

Second synod get seven million views and meanwhile no one's manning. The cash register is no one's growing, that no one is driving the trucks. No, is doing anything here? How do you feel David about ushering in the decline of civil, we'll here's? The thing I dead posed a video about being that the amount I guess and Militia John Heart liked it and then followed me. Yes, I'm fine with their cause. Follow from Melissa, John Heart, wheat, Melissa, Joan Heart is following you yeah. If you look at it, it says that we're friends now supernova teenagers, I've tried to be her friend for years. She's at my place. Right now is ridiculous and she commented she must listen cousin. She commented on something that she was going to Disney with her family. Okay, so You said he pressed her so depressed. I just it's over it's over it's over. For me,

David. Why? Why am I we're gonna? We're gonna? Get you on here know why here's a question: why isn't this hey. There was David hopping and I'm your side kit This is all backwards. An old, wretched fool who doesn't know what's happening, my wax I'm gonna say at my wax. Statue got a thousand a thousand. a thousand lakes is over, there called yeah yeah. Legs views and what- and I don't want to know what the comments are- I'm sure they are dreadful. That's crazy to think that that David's, Tik Tok of Kiley Jenner got a metropolitan areas worth of people, and yours got a small high school that sat down in an assembly and watched that Tik Tok video. I described this in more detail. I've just you satisfied with that This is, I am being very

honest with everyone list now I'm shattered This is a way. This is a watershed moment. For me, you know that they talk show I left a talk. Show I thought with some grace and apply And I am now just weeks later, I'm being forced to realise that does David hopping is a superstar and I am an old husk dried out husk.

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