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The right has turned it into a political weapon and boogeyman. Here this welcome beyond the sea, people always asked as a right. What do you mean what you say the daily show beyond seemed so like you have it, Things given dinner. Does the daily show but then you know them, will scraps and looked turkey limit addressing you take I'll, let you just make a sandwich. You have a like one m sandwiches three days after thanks, given wishes layers of stuff you at all weekend. That's what this pike, as is this The turkey undressing macaroni greens spinach in court, bread sandwich they give you a beeper look into what we do here. on the show and how those segments are made and where we are now on those issues today

we're going to being in a. We would normally pretty heavy on behind the scenes, but this time this week, but there was something a little later something ease. Something easier to digest critical race theory. Well, the plan is growing backlash tonight, against what critics call the indoctrination of public school students in an anti white curriculum. It has to do with the teaching of what is called critical race theory, critical re staring teaches people and our children to judge one another, not based on the content of their character, but solely on the color of their skin. It would have our children growing up, hating this country and hating one another, but teaches more or less that America is inherently races, stating more or less said that if you're born, why you are necessarily races, essentially everywhere person should apologise for being late

and what happened two hundred plus years ago, I do now why credible re theory taught to my children in school does not. Why is woe tearing up, is like women's, go to move for getting out of any sticky situation. Well, if it got me out of a speeding ticket who see if it works on a historical recommend, tell me understand exactly what the hell critical raced theory is, but first we got back track to limited outrage, but to help me do that we brought in some of the big guns. This brother, you ve, heard em on the show before what time is this on the show? For you see Jesus second birth. But I appreciate loud, a big gun and I didn't feel like that time you ve, been on the showing that is the voice of daily show producer, see J Hunt and that very He kind laugh. The you heard this. This is a woman that she's comparable.

stop down towards the first. We will have to hold accountable for a couple of things. Gee I'm- and I must say one thing and then you say slash quicker lawyer, Slash Silver rights advocate, Slash philosopher, Slash, professor slow. Leading scholar in the name of critical race theory, CO, founder and executive director of the african american policy for its Kimberly. Encryption How are you doing? I am just delight. Thank you found me on before we into any of this? The first thing we need to, was really talk about the reality It means that have come out with regret. Add to this discussion around. grace theory. Now I don't know how often you are able to watch the daily show, because you know you have about, I think

the council said exactly what more united with more than three jobs. You really get time these steel honour, because you up in a fight- I don't know I'll, be honest. I don't know any activists that has a favorite tv show. So I know you out there. I know you are. We have a digital series, that's called unsolved. Mysteries Maggie Edition was mystery. I cried ok, something you already know why I'm trying to uncover all the mysteries of mega and we did one on c r t. Maybe we should role that clip first, let's producer Alan give us that give us an unsolved, mysteries, verse. Nineteen seventies legal system. begin to examine the influence of institutional racism, condemnations laws. They called this movement, critical re still or see. Artie They would see your tea at the G20 and get them

conservatives talk about the more you start. One zero one what a pity it this thing, critical race theory is a religion of secularism and guilt. Critical race theory is the denial of critical thinking. Critical roots theory is a device designed to capture white guilt. It's about working change through infrastructure, in ideology that threatens to overturn the advances of human civilization of the last five hundred years, as conservatives will seek to use and Elsie it's a few religion, the device and an ideology listings a more necessary teachers jammed into the Microsoft word. So, Professor Croatia, Republicans of saying that critical race theory is marxist, its races. It's also somehow related to the infrastructure of this country.

What the hell have you created. There's got these, but I'm Quincy's, Egypt, you got these white people mainly like Pygmalion, got a lot of people areas He over this theory slash religion, lash device you ve been fifty who know I saw upset so upset but now the goal, given the loop and a history there was in the textbooks for black people like now forgot that you know what that kinda, me to be an animal get back. There was a group of boy scouts who just did look Far from time. Civil rights movement was just you'd about water phones as black people, power walking for their health. Everybody knows that's what them somewhat amount. Gum remark was all about dj people. You know that self care, really just workers through the

limits of what you created and why you think those are the things that people are so scared about nap locked in on, without guards to critical race theory. I saw appreciate this on ran into categories Derek, as so many times that questions starts with what is it what did you do to make everybody? So many itself have the answer as though it was it's a legitimate question rather than what is it, and how is it that this fringe complaint this this grievance has come from those far right to the middle of american politics like what happened How did this happen and should we be afraid, so I want to see with saying the real question is: why is it that the funds? no equivalent of book burning life person entire history. Coats

regular, Ruby bridges. Zoo is the road autobiography about be segregating school Brian Stevenson Ryan's Stevens is book in recent years as being the object of so much complaining. I want people to come into the conversation, thinking how in their health? Has this outrage that all these points Jack's these important pieces of american history are now being and as the beginning of the end and western civilization, I won't be, will just be by asking them. Question? As I say, what greater worries there is so critical, serious, simply classically legal gazing into why, after two decades of civil rights laws, we

still have so many yawning inequalities across health wealth, how the police interact with us? What schools do to us? All these are still markers of racial inequality in so critical race theories were simply asking questions about Rachel inequality is embedded in law, even though might have formal commitments to color blindness. Color blindness is not enough and in some ways, colored blindness masked how racial Quality continues in our society, that's all grace the really it so. Here's the thing and see J, and I we want to Boston to explore. You know this idea racism and whose aware of it and who isn't like this? Jake. How much of this do, you believe, is blind. Ignorance versus,

racist, just digging in their heels going absolutely not. We will not look into the systemic issues over the last blah blah blah decades Ya'Ll tripping. We gave you a couple right. You aim a slave, no more, why you so mad versus the people Madame Boston, who just light the Roma people. I got a white school book and I just never. I just never thought about what you all were going through. I think it can be both. I dont remember who said this, but there's it there's. A point at which ignorance is not malicious itself, but, if held onto in the face of facts, becomes malicious right. So like what I think is so funny Wild is critical race theories like YO. Let's look at the connections between race, history and the law, and right now, you're books on fronts. Reviewing like do not look at the connections, do not teach my kid connections so I've. I think it is it's a moment where we're seeing whiteness in a different way right like were used to target.

White supremacy is like a privilege to not get pulled over by the police, but it is literally the privilege to be dumber. To say out loud, please pass laws to make my kids books smaller, like that That's crazy amount of privilege due to ask lawmakers to teach her kids less so sought in Boston of folks being, like you know, their worst folks were like. I guess I just haven't thought about it, but the fundamental thing we saw First Roy in Boston with people being like. That's races that european asking the question was: is racism a problem here and people are like how dare you profile of swift that collective, inasmuch as the horror of the push back again see our tee? How dare you bring up that? There is even connections? That's racist yeah. I think that the thing this interesting professor grinned, shows You know people tend to become enraged by staff based on what they see or social media. They try to act like

see. I t as some sort of new thing like that. Try to even they tried to take what you push make it part of some sort of quota cloak, woke movement, but which all what has been going on or, alas, since the sis system Afro, like even before the June a girl ya was out there. Right, like what is this new hairs die all in our schools, we'd like what is being what what made you and is doing that? Seventy zero yeah? What made you all sit and looking down? You know that things are moving. Fast enough. There needs to be a different way of look because to a degree but you're trying to Do as measure lightning like this data points that you have to finding for something that's a little blob Euless, which is bigotry,

it's hard to light all because you can hide it. So what made world start down. This journey in the seventies would see her to hear. Why didn't tell it s a story: of the kids who were watching the civil rights movement at home wanting to get involved in it waiting for our turn and when we, finally, you know, got passed the baton. The game had changed, but it had so. I went to Harvard LAW School Ass, a graduate from Africa studies with an intention to run the next leg of the race. I wanted to be a lawyer, to learn that the special words that that you could you know, throw out in the doors Equal opportunity would open and so like many students in my generation, we went to Harvard to study with jerked with, with their bell was like the Godfather

race racism in american law. His book was about that a lot of us read. It had a picture on the inside of a tunnel Smith and John Carla's. With that you don't black power salute we we want it right. We wanted to run the rays want to learn how to be exe. Lawyers, We were not to leave our people behind the whole point of doing it is to draw attention to the unfinished were other civil rights movement, but that will we got there. He was non ends. How was the sense that there was still work? It needed Big dined at the Lascaux was willing to do so. The law school basically told as no we're, not gonna teach. You raise racism in american law, no we're not gonna. scholars color, because the pool is really shallow. Basically, there are no qualified people here anyway so we are equal opportunity institution as a lame duck

This on us, precisely at a time when the law more broadly was pulling back, from the forward movements and the law was basically saying you know what, if you can't find, a racist in the woodpile. Then there is oh racial problem, there is no discrimination. They had no ability to think about structural racism, no ability to think about how history had play does in these moments, where we were in institutions where they were as we scholars of color in them and they were telling us that was raised neutral, so it from the aspects about what what is behind us raise neutral, stop waiting to happen, it'll be allowed. Professor hybrid! Well, you kind of have to have had gone Harvard or you had been interested in a time during segregation in any other issue, but segregation right so

being a civil rights lawyer, apparently didn't qualify, you to be professor, haven't Moscow, so it just allow just to see what the second layer of exclusion was. It allowed us the thing that the lunch entered in the eighties are now these delete institutions that are keeping people like us out but our saying that they're doing it simply because we're not qualified so that prompted us What is qualifications prompted us to ask whether structural inequality prompted us to ask. How is the law not keeping up with way that raise continues to function we eventually became critical race theory. We created our own course. We taught out of dared bells book. We had people, I am from across the country with these so called nine qualified people, and eventually this group of students this, the professors other people

Asking the same questions hey. Why on earth? in tat are still so segregated, why our police delay? to pull us over simply because were driving while black people were asking these questions and we all came together and recognise. There was still there they and people weren't talking about that their there. And so we call that need to talk about it, critical race theory. wild to me is. I grew up in the eightys and Ninetys in you know, and and came into adulthood during Obama's presidency. So all I've ever known is the post racial sort of myth about, oh, were over it. Now you know you out of twenty twenty, all of a sudden like folks, learned what structural racism is its wild hearing? You talk about that is like it. If you were in law school in the seventies, you are literally making the concept of structural racism for a country

that. Only understands racism as like dogs and fire hoses yeah, Also on top of that you are making This construct ending you're, trying to present it to people who don't even agree that there is a problem you are trying to help. Investing, something that a lot of people that it may well be Bigfoot theory wise Bigfoot in the four and not in urban areas. We just go. There's no bigfoot get out of here an answer the people want to hear it. Actually, our allies Railway did the great unspent in this is that critical, resting of course, has been around for now three decades, but we're we're only talking about it right now, because the far right has politicize we could have been talking about categories theory for the last thirty years we could have

understanding of structural racism long before George Floyd lost his life to it. We could have had these conversations, but we did entirely because Everybody agrees that, This is an old should be thought about solely in terms of a bad actor or bad apples or bad people. So when people here the term racism begged. Like all your saying, sultans bad about me or something I harbour, evil in my heart, when inside although there are a lot of people, you do well we're done about is how our systems consistently reproduce that which is embedded in it. An answer like racism has been embedded in policing in housing and education in medicine, almost every arena. There is a history african american in particular, and also other people color being pushed out or beam?

lies in that stuff now becomes just unnatural feature of the world. So it's not. the conservatives to avenge initially didn't wanna hear it. It was summer our colleagues and critical lethal studies it with some of our liberal friends. You know who really thought that this whole, they would work itself out. If we just stopped attention to raise so now we see what's happened to the argument now in the language of thanks for coming after critical s theory, it is paying a tent to raise. That's the problem answer. Racism is, though, new racism, not all racism that we vote for censure. Did you? Did you even think when use will I know in the seventies, you didn't think in a million years that tromp would be president, but don't you think when you off started on this journey that you would sit in the crosshairs of the federal

administration like Trop straight up bandit, right now I dont teach about any great I'm just yet. He said dont. Do it fast lose, followed suit, evil anything trumps, his thoughts, who's gonna pay for going for must they mentioned critical race theory over forty, a hundred times gas only channel late. Did you think that it would the grounds what? Because you like four. While it feels like Lou engine that good here it is curriculum. No yeah. Let's just keep going to keep jar and one day, and then next thing, you know it's people going yeah, you're antiracist. This was, I can't remember the gentleman's nay, but he had read the article. I think it really developing the walk you somewhere, but it was even article commenting on the sittings pianos anti racism, training of which out of it was the spine of it will see Archie Curriculum and the whole

we will go dickens. Freak we're picking your effort when you were Robin Afro shining, your hair and naked back of anyone with that Black Africa Pit that Black Africa fists pick out the tooth Thea did you think in twenty twenty one, you will be going told a toll with the whole government is now I didn't, but I guess the question might also be. Why should I should I am it dissipated it and when we look at this historically all kinds of reasons. To suggest that this framework talking about you know. Racism was eventually going to be politicized as the new, because we ve seen it happen before. If we go all the way back to the year that the change

came also African Americans Ray of eighteen. Sixty six. There was a law that was created to provide aid will opportunity and contracting in and property rights. The president vetoed equal opportunity Black people should have the same rights is likely to have to make a contract. He beat on it and said now to give you all right is to take something away: from right right, so I mean that's like when you know we still had the marks on our hands, so you could do that a year after we are free to say that doing anything, that's antiracist is raised against, why people you could do it, then you can do it throughout history and it turns out. They have bad thing, took away our right to vote, because that, the way from white people's right to rule. They took away right integration,

because, as they said, L forcing you to serve are forcing us to go to school with. You is discrimination against us and I'll. Take it even to the last moment when I should have seen a calling for critical Esoteric Europe, I don't think Do you remember the maybe, when o J got acquitted lot of, why I remember her element really really anxious and they were looking for someone to blame. So I guess what I blame for credit, guys theory like all twelve, unless we basically you know, put on our ninja outbids. In writing. the jury's rules and whispered sweet nothing's in their ears at night, basically our treatises on raised and that's what force them to acquit OJ, so they tried

and even in the early nineties work. Does it wasn't fox news? There wasn't a presidency when the White House listen, everything Fox news. Add with a pin He could use to censor all this stuff, so didn't work, then, when these conditions round which is working now. You can just summarize the whole history of white backlash with they tried it and can try and get DR now to be fair, evident, OJ trial. It was a lot of black people go and he did it with John Locke look for nothin! You want me to get free for nothin finally rate OJ the moment see J where it fell Racism worked at a favor. You can pretend that idea. Remember when oj happen. No, I'm asking you have was that, because I wash the OJ trial in Birmingham, and you know I'll racism flows in the city of through alibi, right it just it felt like the one.

The first time, in a long time where wow racism work for us this one time yea and I think that in fury ate like there's, always a backlash time, but I just have a theory profess. It is always a backlash Black people happy He took the baby babby neighborhood you would like yeah. I went much further well, I know all sitting together. You joy, is threatening to me either criticisms of seniority that you heard from right wing media you no other lying, really be in models and italian races against my people. I know that those two a valid, but are there any others from right wing media? No, I'm from weekend listed the right wing, but here Visa prize about that, because their critiques are

not of the ideas, think they even say they couldn't give you can say what is it? What did they say? They don't care about the ideas. It's not a debate about any of that country. A critical race theory. What it is is amiss information campaign that they have called tea party to the tent. They realized tat. We unfinished business and sensitivities around raise grievances around raised. So they take this concept. Backdrop: everything in it that has to do with anti racism from structural reasons to even implicit by a lot of people. Implicit, buys young, get with that right because we're not saying you are intending to do these things. It's just hard won because we're ok, can you races when we only want to talk about that so

you. You recognise that it's not about what it's called is not about the content. Others Then it is saying that racism, Israel, it shapes important ways where our society has landed. Who gets what? What lives certain people have by raised just say that race is still a problem Racism is still a problem. That's what is the huge you know, sort of the offence that there now offended by so their feelings about talking about racism are more important than our experiences. of actually dealing with raisins with more fragile than that I'll. Give you a criticism. I think that that word race is, would scarcely so maybe we just need a different, maybe like you instead of critical raced theory like it is thing every business and

did he goes through Lobo changes. Rebranding is what they call in the marketing were right. Dominoes teams are behaving dominoes, exactly Can doughnuts is now Duncan Radio Shack on Radio Shack Does he gave whenever business going out of business? So how about this? Why don't we We debate whether we should re brand black people, so we no answer. like racism, Israel, so let s say okay yet here the way we deal with that, there are no more black people when other cars were ourselves. We we're just people, and that is our e brands. Are they can't find? they cannot discriminate against it. Wouldn't work because it's not that I was all will. This is good. This is good right now, no matter like you, you talking critical. This theory, I'm think

in moderated melanin methodology will end were about for about six months. Do they realize who moved in Oil admin curriculum accelerated Milon needed curriculum and made it vouchers, and I have made the same thing about defined. The police we'd know what that actually means, as did the police to do less work for the same amount of money in redirecting resources imbibe, but the word be fund best. It like If you tell if he was in a relationship, you told your girl, you was gonna, be fun, the relationship people, so we just got to come up with new words. we'll work on net benefit lists would about. Let's make a quick break. What about race, conscious, patriotism, a patriot, that's a good ones, are amount as to keep my patriotism is grounded in looking at risk. These are all great ideas,

we're gonna? Come back after the break and discuss a little bit more about society? This is beyond the scenes. Shop online for free at ocean state. Job laud visit ocean state job lot, dot com by hundreds of buy online ship to store item as many come with a magic, crazy deal gift card when you visit our store to pick up your merchandise and spend your crazy deal, give guard your basically shopping for free, find everything from furniture and rugs to pots and pans and patio set by a circular thirteen peace cook where's that for one ninety, nine. Ninety nine get a one. Ninety, nine, ninety nine crazy deal gift card, free visit, ocean state, job, locked dot com and buy online. Today You talkin about critical race theory, see jail, wanna start with you right now, because, as we from the first, they did this first run of what we have been discussing. This is a complicated topic here, a lotta layers to it and on the day we show generally

we're talking about issues, it doesn't matter how simple or how complicated it is. You have four minutes. You have four minutes, maybe I've Travers villain generous that week to explain this and make it funny we ve done. Nothing. You know four five segments on this topic, you know, of recent talk to me about the job is a figuring out what leaving what leave out, because the first thing you have to was almost unpacked. What did is what we did at the beginning of this programme, unpack what That is why people a man in the start, getting the jokes in here so talked to me a little bit about the creative process of putting these pieces together, given that we only have like five minutes or four minutes, especially with the topic critical race theory. I think I think it's working in our favour. Like one of my favorite pieces, is the unsolved magazine,

three that you do for critical race theory. I just love it because you don't spend a long time defining critical race theory. You are late, we just like you know in the seventies, these scholars up with this idea, but watching everyone gets so worked up about an obscure graduate level. Theory makes wondered. Does literally anyone on the right? No, what critical race theory is right like if you just broke down the minute. The minutes dedicate in the four minutes that the second count to how long you spent describing what critical race there is versus how long you show the hysteria of people being like it is it's a device. Yes, it's a religion. It's gonna make the kids hate this country. I think that that's actually really dope you not. I mean that that the that the time pressure of we only have this amount of time means that you don't get lost, trying to play defence. You play often centre just like this is the crazy things that people are saying.

Mysterious professor Crenshaw, where do you think critical race theory compares to other big right wing issues? You know if we're talking, let's say abortions or gone law- or even now mask mandates which you know seems to be all the craze to shop at a school board, meeting and punch strangers Do you wish that you were s death This is of an issue as some of those or cool with where you are like began its it's interesting in that how China thing his here's a nice. I would ask this question: how much bigger fighter you prepared for critical race theory to put gum in this country. That's it that's it!

Ok, that's a great question, so I would be happy to turn this huge platform on that day. Foot critical race theory on into a platform that advances. What categories theory is TAT actually about so now name, recognition to criticise theory. We couldn't have bought that much media with all the money and probably would not have bought and sold The question is, as everyone has, the container heard of it? How do we this moment to fill it with the information that people who practise categories theory every day, as I do that I do that so here's years appoint critically his practice. I think every time most likely will go outside every time.

You see every time you sound like it's happening. Black people go outside. I know it will the diamond you like ok hands on the steering wheel over slowly? You have a theory about what may happen to you based what has happened? Two million a black people. You don't know for sure you what you, the theory when you go into this door someone's following you have a theory about what their thinking. So we practice. will raise theory every day. I just want the opportunity for people to hear what it really is oh yeah, that's exactly the truth about what it means in blackened with society. levelled million road miles in my car, any time. Mrs, Would Alabama tags

All the time I was outside the state of Alabama. I did not wear hacked in back like just that passing speed drop in a cop. See me in a baseball, had just thinkin all give the time. Let's get him late, let were passed the seat belt. Now, I'm a feat sitting up straight didn t need to look at me officers to deter wow. That's right, I know I don't drive renal cars without a state plates even want to fly, and I get a rental car. I knew rental car that's registered for the state that I'm driving you know, you're, not gonna, know I love that ending it in an emotion and being like non white people know this as an amount right like when we see a cop who killed him black man in broad daylight get off. We have a theory about why it happened when we see you know why

you'll Nazis storm the capital to kill congressmen and they nothing happens. We have a theory as to something happening in the law and race. That is making that happen, and I just love that your naming it not as an invention but as placing a name on something that we already intuitively no works about the world, and we know why it is so important for the other side to take the name away from us, because if you can kiss, actual lies in experience. If you can't name and experience you, solve and experience. So you know this is consistent with they ve done to s throughout history. We weren't able to re repay it was. It was against the law to be to read. It was against the law to testify in cork against white people. It it's been against the law. Agitate for abolition. So ever

is capacity to name our experience to transform it. That's then, the key objective of retrenchment to take that away so we were fighting about the content of what we do were fighting to be able to name our experience and, of course they are fighting not only to take. Where ability to name or experience but a vow to change. I experienced a protest to to objective experienced. These are all things that are happening by those same people support. By the same money advanced. the same politicians we need to connect these dots, so the people know you might have not heard of critical this theory, but you know critical race theory is the life that we're all living right now I've encountered black folks who are like. Well, you know critical race theory. Is you know? I don't want to be:

Riding people- and I use an analogy- I've heard you say before about this, and I stress: can you can you tell our lives under the analogy I? This is what I go to all the time and people are like. Oh ok. Well, you know we tell people if you really care about social problem. The last thing you gonna do is try to penalize the people- have the expertise to tell you where the problem is so, let's take our institutions, for example, we built them with asbestos talked in everywhere, be that shows how we build things at the time were plans as best, as is toxic kills people, so what's the solution to the fact that we have is best is in our interest mission. Do we say the saloon two. It is not to use the word asbestos not to look for a, whereas vessels, maybe not to use

tools to try to remove asbestos and now to even criminalize people who were teaching people where to as best is to remove this toxic week. Tat would be ring deal as we would never think. That makes any sense, but we think that exact thing about right. so the solution to racism, don't talk about Ray. Don't see talk, teach people by racism and penalizing criminalize those people who had that expertise. What we're doing when we say critically, anti racism is the problem rather than it is the solution to the problem. I loved analogy because it's like yeah white supremacy is asbestos is built into all of the structure, Some of us have known that it has always been there and other people have just been going about.

day and then, when you're like hey. This is built into everything there like. How dare you do not like this building and we're like? No the buildings? Fine, I like living I just want to make sure he doesn't kill me, so basically what you're saying is if there is a problem and its detrimental when it comes to raises important to speak up and say something, but when to love and relationships. Just don't bring it up at all because they have got away that was like Bulgaria are worth that later. Those are a lot of great, so but I want, after the break, to talk with you a little bit more about the hard legal solutions that may be in place, and they're, not their smaller moral victories that you can count between the last time you had. f, ruin. Seventy one m you roll escaping would Adieu Name Stuckey to suck up. If the will I wanna talk to you about

legal victories and the moral victory that you pay between them and now, with regard to critical, there it is behind the scenes, will be right back shop online for free at ocean state, job, Laud, visit ocean state, job lot, dot com by hundreds of buy online ship to store items. Many come with. Imagine crazy deal gift card when you visit our store to pick up your merchandise and spend your crazy deal gift card, your basically shopping for free, find everything from furniture and rugs to pots and pans and patio set by a circular thirteen peace cook where's that for one ninety, nine. Ninety nine get a one. Ninety, nine, ninety nine crazy deal gift card free this ocean state job, lot, dot com and buy online. Today. talking critical race theory with daily show producer, see J, hot and the wonderful, wonderful professor scholar activists lawyer

astronaut did a year or not yet. Well. What else have you not done yet, Professor Kimberly Crenshaw? How are you going great jointly with guys. Ok, so no two astronaut, but not yet, but I'm sure it's come like to mention that all of those different sort of identities that Roy has named fits into a new theory that I've developed that one person can hold multiple identities and live at the intersection of those identities are gonna. Think of this idea that I've develop knowing watch is anything wrong. When I was coming up yet one job, you would take a rear day and you got one job. It was an old is slash, Multi, Haydn. What is a multi haifa? Didn't you tell me you didn't fires a hive and you hate America now Doktor Grenfell. You think my idea has some legs, though, about these intersecting then, when I complain about stuff people say you know, there's a

that somebody came up about that explains that likes it can't indiscretion outbreak. I just don't be mad about those right. I love when Republicans are our cropping on intersection alley in one sentence there like they can't teach our kids critical race theory, privilege sexuality, I I'm not just white woman? I'm a republic can and must be like you are naming intersection reality and their objection is not an intersection Anti AIDS to us using it like Gimme. That I'm gonna use it to explain my grievance. I hold multiple identities. I'm a mother I'm a teacher you like that's intersection reality yet before we get into new noise. We give radio bring this conversation home before we get to allow the push back that you're starting to receive now at the legal level. Are there any

small victories that you ve been able to measure with regard to your push for critical race theory, you know over the decades like the fat guy I find it interesting, and I know this isn't a victory, but is something small in that you know I in a time where the only real information I got about the world, was from school when I got in the fifth read my mother ordered a world book encyclopedias, and that was it a certain real encyclopedias like an actual just book, the same way we bursting bears? I will just the letter v would be my book for the month Lake the act, access to information that younger people have now. Do you feel like

this conversation at minimum gives them a place to go and seek out new troops or additional data outside of the traditional school systems, which will annex way- and I think Internet is both the bane of our existence in the possibility for overcoming the censorship in one of them. we know that young people is when you tell them not to do something that basically a green light in the online. They call the here look at this thing, then we don't want you to know anything about so said earlier, that one of the objectives is to take this path, form that has been created by this misinformation and actually present did in a way that allows people whose lives actually are all of them, dimensions of categories theory that we ve been writing about. It allows them to see it enter, understand it. So the reality is that, despite all the

consternation less than timber the classrooms really talk about race at all. Now we have a new law in which more people are talking about race, and hopefully, more people will find their way. actually having access to material, that shapes listen, and by that I mean the long Lara view articles that we make. I mean the kind of things. Are you guys doing the short kids that really educate people allowed him to see the various there there that others I do is trying to erase in there trying to erase it with? this sort of authoritarian. This is the story about America that we will allow and no other story can we tolerate, I think, is good, For people see this? Actually, happening in real time and demand the true stories that somebody politicians are trying to deny them. Are you finding

the joy in watching these politicians not realising that they're talking about black history more than they have ever talks about it like don't you might get about the dread. Scott decision, which made the law on the land emulated that so little please convey what they are. Also massacre in that destroyed black lost and made it clear that actually black people cans see it's just that their success makes many many white folks at the time, so angry that they prefer to destroy them. rather than to just let them be these these moments a history. Our seeping M M really is to us to open the door wider, bring more people and in various ways, through humor thrush moments of going to historical site and saying let me,

tell you what happened here and importantly, why? What happened here? important today? A lot of these laws are framed, simply can't talk about the past. What they're saying is we cannot talk about the past in a way that makes life folks feel bad, and in a way that shows that the past still lives among us. So our goal is both to touch well? Those and make people understand that the ground on which we stand is created by these historical Policies and practices

they were long way away from where we we work before. When people didn't talk about race. At all, talk to me, I guess: guess it s the difference now Tulsa Tulsa today. Is that a lot of what we see instead of you know the blatant eradication through violence. You see the eradication and attacks on a black community through policy and laws talked to me a little bit. Some of the laws that are starting to trickle down. I guess what I'm trying to issue a nice way, how guilty Do you feel when, at First guy teacher stands up in front of a classroom and attempts to teach her class about Tulsa? in a school bishop. They said and she goes to jail. Will you put money on her books? Well, Powerful first of all, jail is therefore, first of all consequences have already started to happen.

Amy Donna Frio, everybody should look her up: she's she's white school teacher in a seventy percent blacks. Teaching black young men, about the historical terminals of many of the things that happened to them was so successful that they got to go to White House so successful that they want competition at Harvard so successful that the school district defended her programme and ultimately fired her so yeah. The consequences are happening right now. These laws and basically said I'm teachers can fire, they can be fine. Five thousand dollars for every infraction school systems can lose out. ten percent of their budgets, teachers can be de licence. In fact, this is what's happening to me right now. So this is an attack on school.

those public schools is an attack on Teachers is an attack anti racism in its an attack on people of color? So we have to recognise that public school system is, as they call at the incubators of democracy. We have to understand that the basic logic of brown versus boredom education was that this that second education underlined our ability to participate in democracy. What basically segregation, Two point now we're gonna talk about this and we're not going to talk about that in ITALY. He's out everything we're not going to talk about, explains how we to where we are today so yeah, I'm not going to fill.

We'll see what I'm gonna feel is we're in the fight for our laps and end. We do feel like teachers recognise that betrayal do you feel like they are looking at what we are looking at and seeing that a party that has spent the last decade against censorship and standing up for academic freedom, so some professor, at any rate it yes of some academic freedom Some professor can use the inward do. You feel like these teachers are watching this party now passing laws, so that kid's cannot understand where the inward in Spain on ass, I saw an important point and what you just said that we are now in a place where I can look into camp is in force be called the inward or my students, can go two classes and have to deal with another profession. Sir writing in word on the blackboard brush it might be, they might not be, well to take critical race theory to one stand where the inward came from this is the huge aces

three that we're facing, along with the idea that why Stew are too fragile to hear about the history, but where a sturdy enough to have experienced it. So, yes, I do think that teachers that I have tea but anyway, are fully aware that this is just another chapter of the attack on people. education, the attack on equal citizenship, the attack on learning our history in order to correct for its long term consequences, people learn employees. The question is whether the politicians are. Does this ill Kate? So then, to the point with politicians? Does this have a ripple effect into voters and voting in voting suppression by what are some of the other half the tentacles of sea? t: what are the issues? Do they reach out and touch you your finger on it? There is currently an effort to push voters like us out.

the political equation. There's an effort to silence our voices. There is an effort to make sure that last summer never happens again. There's endeavoured to make for that the election never happens again. and the reality is. It has happened before I remember we used to have Like senators used a black lieutenant governors, we used to have a whole cohort of elect officials in the nineteenth century like, years after slavery, so when, when they shut it down nation down now for a season? It was for a century. These moves that are being made today. The ottoman all playbook in Vienna Fortunately, we know often know the place, because we haven't been taught this. And they want to make sure that people are not taught the stuff. That's why the fight is for the future

just for twenty twenty two and twenty twenty four, the playbook analogy so good because it's like yes, the very chapters of history that are now a legal in some states because of c r t bans or Dumdum Laws right, like those very same chapters, are things that, like we need to understand what the hell is happening now, it's like dont teach about way supremacy in reconstruction. don't want to teach about an expansion of black democracy, undermined by white supremacy. Who then disenfranchise our voters because otherwise these They are based based on a lot ally's yeah. I think that I think that's wild. I also can you speak? some of the language in these bills, because what I find so like Twilight Zone is that They are using civil rights language to then flip. It I've seen bills that our diversity bills, bills to support diversity in schools that they tried it

hang on a c r t ban inside of it and the like. Are there on the floor saying c r t, is counter to diversity. So can you talk about the same language of some of these bills and one or two things you realize is tat. You know in basically occupied our space then taken our language. They ve taken our he rose. They kicked us out of our own community, so Martin Luther King now place where their tea Martin Luther King is on our side on this work. king Gos, Wasn't an advocate for racial, just as he was an advocate for color blindness were actually now they learn to live with that little would not let you know part of what they ve been able to do. Is a lot of stuff, so they say: no, we don't believe in re stereotyping, leader, then raised scapegoating. We don't believe in making

will fill a shame because of their ok, so check it isn't as part of what It's a black racism was about. Isn't this part of racism against the other people of color about daylight? No, this is racism again why people is have you think back on it? This was a move that they did right away during this sitting. Movements that there is one documentary eyes on the prize, the dead interviews, people who were to sit in an interview. The white people who didn't want to serve their and theirs is one where a white woman said date taken that they are non violent, put their most violent they're, making me serve them that violence. it's my civil rights is like going on You start with you now I get to exclude you and your demand we're? Just integration violates you

our civil rights, so these bills are just again a page of the old book. We can just take all the things that they are saying: black people What color saying turn it around and say we're the being victimize. We are the ones that are being told where bad people we are the ones that feel bad. So you can't talk about this, what is it about what You believe, a mayor. your work in my opinion. In my humble opinion, your work is rooted in optimist. Your work is rooted in the optimism of what we could be as a society. What were capable of full stop, but what is it all about The choice that you ve made to go down this road and fight this battle versus other black people who the lobby for separate but equal, our own schools. Our own system will teach ideas over here. Let's not even worry about synonym over there. What kinda, what is kept you for

crossing over into that, because it seems that that would be the logical leap after all, after wall after wall that you were, you know, so frightening about this. Really. Is that teacher our own children in our own schools is not a solution to this, because this is applying to our own children in our own skills. So it's not ok. These bans Don apply to Lincoln. her school, because it's basically about white feelings know our students are not allowed to learn this star hours. Teachers, are not allowed to teach the star. So this is basically DE mining black education, black educators in in some of the same ways that you know integration did you

Don't know that one of the things that happen after integration is black teachers, black principles, black administrators lost their jobs, all those moments where we learned about who we were in Riyadh. Teachers were deeply invested in US invalid, and ass a lot of We lost and now we're in a moment where we have we'll boards, basically dictating to teachers who are I'll teaching, students of color what they can reveal about the student of color own history. So there is no escape from. This is why we have provided this is not. You know integrate versus separation, this is going to apply to all institutions. And importantly not just gave you dwell higher education. not just higher education. Diversity. Inclusion everywhere were right, diversity is discussed, will ultimately come

the power and control of this effort to censor real conversation. Race and racism in american society. How much are you thinking about reconstruction in this moment, because the current It's like you know me. I am. I have been making a movie about civil war and reconstruction. I cannot stop thinking about a specifically because we had integrated schools in eighteen seventys. We did an end. This idea that sometimes I think like dang. This is just a cynical strategy. Republicans are using to win elections, but when I look at them language of these bills I am like, while they figured out a way to attack black education to to censor the very words like privilege and structural racism that folks, like I'll invite did to name what was happening to us so in this And how much are you thinking about the setbacks of reconstruction?

and the first time that a sordid knocked our feet out from under, I think about it, see J all the time, I was just doing a talk. Go here, enlarges, venue last night and and and confess that I think a lot about what people like us thinking in eighteen, sixty six and one thousand eight hundred and seventeen one thousand eight hundred and seventy six. I wonder if they knew now then, what we know now, like we would have been pushed back how forest fully. We would have been pushed out of being able to divulge. How, personally we were pushed out of the professions that so many of US exercising how much we would be denied education if they saw what was coming, what they have done anything

What, then, can we get those messages in the bottle? Can we can we think now we are in the same position that our people, wherein in eighteen seventy six. What less Can we learn about what happened that we can now apply at this moment, and at least one thing I know is that need to sound the alarm? We need to allow people to see that it's not too. Step forward one steps back Wednesday. sometimes it's one step forward and two steps back sometimes is a decade. The progress in a century of retrenchment, so we understand That is not just automatic. Martin Luther king said time. doesn't do anything automatically iraqi time can be me of reform is what we do the time that we have so far

now? What do we do now that we see the smoke come in and we see real estate? Tat we ve been occupying and and taking care of four decades burning up in a period of like six, we ve lost so much. What do we do in response to it. That seems to be the question, and I think our ancestors are telling us do more than what we did, because only last for a century, and we cannot afford to pass this. But I don't want to this too to the next generation, and I want to believe that none want to pass this to the next generation. In with a final question to you, what first I saw where you know, there's a lot of states that are already banning critical race theory amongst them, Idaho, Oklahoma, Arizona, South Carolina, Texas, that's to be expected Tennessee I'll, then there's one on this list that goes back to

you were talking about earlier. With regards to sometimes allies. I found it it is in that New Hampshire knew how to ban is restricting the teacher. I don't know there are blue states e g, but the minimum swing gaping daughter, Bernie in Burma and be poor were read, but as is being you'd, be anywhere and get people to be like they're gonna, abolishing the suburbs and where there is a critical mass of white book that you can scare that black people are coming. Then you, these tactics, work networks in Hampshire last question, what can people do to help you in this movement many things. So people can go to a pdf dot org and learn more information about where these, laws are coming, so we have a man where they can see where they ve been pass. We have,

information about how to find out whether this is coming to a school board near you and we need a pair and to become activated. We need our parents to say, wait a minute, I'm no! The mice who is barely talking about these issues and now they're trying to ban them from talking about it at all? So, every time you see some parents goin to the school boys and acting that needs to be a clarion call. Our fear is that your needs- and Thou schoolboy Gi Ali to see what is being taught and not being taught you early to say this is absolutely vital the future of lifestyle in the future and my country to learn from win? We came so we can. Set a path or where we want to go so active involvement. Is everything and we

here the stories we think that there is much more going on that we now know about so has your school district said Then we will not teach Ruby bridges anymore. Has your child come home with stories about why there's inequality that don't point to the real reason and basically implicitly, point the finger at your child in its way your journals, family and our peoples. We don't tell the true badly The inference. Bet, there's something wrong with this. Is that happening in your schools though so so tell us, and I think, just broadly we have to draw lines between their story and our story. We ought to be. you're, willing to say when they say our countries, being stolen? We have to be willing to say no, no, the countries being share for the first time ever when they see You know why don't they

organs are being discriminated against. We say no better structured, overrun presentation from the White House down to the school board is inequitable and and not natural when they say diversity is called for replacement, we say firstly, is minimal baseline for pollution, bright minimal and when they say that Our children are being indoctrinated. We should say no misinformation is the key indoctrination. That's what this is about. So you know I didn't just wait. king are really say. What's it state being very concerned about there being an authoritarian dictation about what can be taught in what should be realised in that our country is sliding in a very difficult direction, and if we care about democracy we have

care about Rachel? Just as there is no daylight between supporting our democracy and supported Rachel, equity and inclusion. The two are the say when I tell you thank you for the work that you have done from the bottom, My hard thank you, see, J Hut, I haven't Much less sincere goodbye for you I'll. Take my word: do I'll see you guys, keep us laughing and keep us learning I also believe that we can make honor is ours. You gave us concepts that so using industry and now Republicans are enlargement. Make a legal so thank you for giving us these concepts. We will protect them

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