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Welcome to the show. Thank you thank you for coming out in the snow and thank you for reporting story, which is probably one of the most impact full stories our society has ever ever seen when you were working on the hobby, wincing story. This took you months I think it would have the impact that it had no, my partner, Megan Tv- and I really were not shore and, as one of our errors pointed out, Harvey Weinstein's, really not that famous alot of people outside of New York and allay and even in those cities had never even heard of them. So when you went we're reporting the story. You think yourself, this is have you seen? People maybe on the coasts, know him people in need.

People in Hollywood, but knew you dont think this will blow up is a story. Why do you think I got so big? Then we ve talked about that a lot at the newspaper because, like everybody else, were somewhat staggered to see what happened. One over editors has a theory that this was the rare sex well harassment story in which the accusers were actually more famous and had more cultural capital than the accused. I struggle with that little bit as a rapporteur, because I really believe that every woman story counts. Every woman who came forward with so courageous and so brave, don't love the fact that it seem to kind of take a kind of celebrity to move the needle. But, interestingly, that was part of our conversation with some of the stars who did come forward. People like Ashley Judd kind of new that she had an ability to have a kind of outsize effect, because people felt that they

her people knew her, but at the same time it feels like that would be a reason that people wouldn't want to come out in the reporting. You speak about how difficult it was for so many people to speak about their experiences. Was it hard to gets Ashley Judd in particular, let's say to speak on the record. Absolutely it's a really painful topic. One thing that helped, as at the New York Times, made a huge commitment to sexual harassment reporting. This year, when you take out a subscription to the New York Times, one of the things is that you're buying, essentially you're buying me, and my colleagues too to do this really difficult work. So my colleagues, Emily Steel and Michael Schmidt, spent eight months investigating bill. Highly and was hard slow, painful work, but that's we had an enormous impact and then, when we started the heavy wasting story. A few months later, we were able to essentially say to our sources, look at the way the bill.

Reilly story went down, he lost his job, people really listen to the women. You know if this is a kind of surgery that your performance, when you're doing these stories, no one. Died on the operating table abroad. That kind of classic fears that you're gonna face humiliation or career consequences. If you're honest about what happened, did not come to pass so that story gave us a kind of playbook model to go forward with it omega? Make us and our sources feel like it was possible like we could. We could finally do this, and people would lessen it's interesting, though, because many people that hobby wine Steen wasn't open secrets in Hollywood. People said that about, I think it was baton. Yeah. Well, you just so many stories. Wilson was an open secrets times it was even reported on in some way shape or form. What? What what changed? I mean. You reported a story that some people had with

but about and then all of a sudden the story became what has become the catalyst for change. In many many parts of our society. What what do you think was the change? Look. That's why we get up in the morning, and this is why we worked so hard to do what we do. We want to find the documents we want to show the history we want to capture the full extent. The first story we published had thirty years worth of allegations had had, secret mammas from inside the Winston company that showed just how bad the problem was, it had women going on the record about their experiences and from them meaning Megan, and I felt like we were writing not just about these alleged abuses, but also about the cover up part of what was upsetting to people. I think about the wine steam story was the revelation that there was an entire system in place to protect other. I like one, steam. We found out that he had eight to twelve settlements with women over the years, so it something like this would happen, and then a fancy lawyer would step in and kind of convening

we make it all go away. The Hollywood agencies continue to send actress his tears hotel rooms, even though agents at those agencies basically knew what was going on. So I think I know it's a surprise to people that sexual harassment and worse exists, but I think seeing the full pattern and the extent of the system is part of what symbolic when you look at the story like hobby? Why sees you look at a story like glow rallies and then you contrast the two stories Roy, more or sentences that have come out since then. You know L, Frank in the John Conyers. Why do you think the reaction is different because it feels like when it's about the politicians, people onto us quick to accepted all this seems to be a fight, and yet with Harvey, and but really it it seemed like people were were, were quick to jump into the free is. Is there a difference because of politics? Well, I think that part of what we

important about the stories we ve seen in the last couple of months, is that many of them didn't feel particularly political or if they did, they were on both the right and the left. If you look at O Reilly and wine steam, it really carries. The lesson of This is everywhere riot a minute. It's it's been revealed, does apply, From everywhere on the political spectrum, and then if you look at somebody like Louis, Kay, who I also read about he's, not a particularly political figure, and so that discussion is not really a partisan fight. It's about this behaviour when you're doing the reporting on the storage and you looking up the behaviour of these men is this something that you find is particularly tied to power or is it just a problem that we have with men in society full stop. If you listen to the full array of women stories and all of the women who have come forward, both in

of journalistic outlets over the last couple of months and then women who have come forward on their own on the internet. I think what you see is the pervasiveness of the pattern, and I think what is troubling but also constructive about the last couple of months is that were able to draw connections that Never wear. Before we were able to say there are generations of women whose careers were cut off because of harassment at particular stages. There are big questions about how effective each other departments actually are in dealing with this There are huge questions about this settlement system. Why We essentially let powerful man pay and he and Bill Riley's case. It was tens of millions of dollars over the years to essentially make the problem, Disappear and go away, and I feel like now that we're in twenty eighteen, a lot of the questions or about what is the path forward on this. It's not just about looking at these individual cases, it's about saying. Can our system

society finally come up with an effective system for dealing with us. Did you find that many men didn't know what was happening. I mean there are the enablers. There are those who are actively doing the harassing me assaulting, and then there are men who said I did not know that this was happening right in front of me. Was that something you discovered in your reporting- and am I guess in in the World- of the New York Times there were women and men who didn't know, and I think that's because some of the information was confined to what we call whisper networks. It turns out that, in all sorts of fields, women had these kind of choir network, sin which they shared information with each other about what their experiences were. But the word that my colleague, Julie Cresswell, did a great story about that, but that in mission was always a little underground, it was almost always beneath the surface, show which, for me ever since story that takes months to work on. This has only been twelve weeks,

which is mind going when you think about it, feels like a hobby. Wasting thing has been going on for a year, but it's only been twelve weeks. Is this the begin in the middle or the end. That's a great crashed and I think it it's definitely at the end and the reason, why is because we have all of these questions that we haven't resolved? How do you have an office romance in twenty eighteen rights. Without fear of doing the wrong saying. If a man has been accused of sexual harassment, what is due process even kind of me in in that kind of case? I don't think we settled any of those questions we are. Society doesn't even really have a common agreed upon definition of sexual harassment, so I think, All of us are kind of to some extent is puzzling this, through at the water cooler and at the dinner table, Conway to reopen.

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