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here's that, unfortunately, you were correct. Here's my question to you: why does it seem like we ve become worse? at handling the pandemic. You know in Europe or in the U S, then we were set months ago, when seven months ago it was so bad where there's a couple things working against us first is that with the winter, when we're colder, we the virus multiplies more and more indoors more. So that is not a good thing and then there's a certain fatigue, some other things people of have to do in terms of staying away from friends? That's tougher! I have to say this round. It looks like Europe is getting better compliance with the restrictions than the. U S is, and so they are starting to see a downturn. When you talk about that complain when you talk about. The downturn is part of the down like should we should we ve been looking at the virus Kay says, or should we be looking at the deaths? Could I never know which one is more important than usual be like

a million, more people to many five million, seven million, and then you'll see some doctors saying yes, but fewer people are I'm from it, because we know how to treat it and how should we be looking at this virus and the fight that we have against it? Well, the cases The leading indicator- it is true that cases are planned, leading into less doubts for two reasons. One is that the cases are more in the young people who are less likely to be. Every second, the other is that the equality of treatment, including new drugs like decks amount has been proven out. So when you do get hospital, you have a higher chance of survival, but in a word predicted to go back up to over two thousand deaths a day in the months ahead. So for the next six to eight months. The news is mostly bad

after that the volume of the vaccine will have kicked in and then we'll have in others, light at the end of the tunnel. While I mean that the question is then for our people is like how long is that tunnel? How bad does that tunnel? Given? How do we stop it from being the worst possible tunnel? One of big things more people are worried about, is gonna, be the transition between Joe Biden, Donald Trump. You know you ve worked with it's all over the world, working on their vaccine distribution working on health care on the planet. You know continent is for one administration to talk to the next. When it comes to handing off on their plans. How much do you think this will actually affect America's response if, if there isn't a transition? Well, it's unfortunate that you know the current administration not tied in to a positive narrative that ignore turning the corner and that you now have this transition. It'll make think the messages a little less clear. You know this is when you

to see the best CDC people on TV remit dean us about social, distant scene and masks in own, particularly when there is that fatigue. they are so leaders at all level. This is a chance to step up even on politicians, encouraging friends that hey we, we don't want this additional. Several hundred thousand doubts in owed be tragic to be the last person who died, eyes, you know when the vaccine is absolutely on the way and in also I I think, a good new should drive compliance not lacks laxity. As somebody who doesn't work, Willie around health care for so long, especially run infectious diseases. One of you found is the key to encourage doing or convincing community members to buy into the

just keep them safe, where we have a vaccine resistance with polio and air getting the religious leaders to speak out, have them visibly vaccinating their own children in upper? Why won't like we'd? Never stop polio in Africa. Yet now it's just been certified that we'd gone three years without wild polio. So activating the trust hierarchy and getting rid of the conspiracy political element to it, and just mining people in this case is about saving about saving lives. In that case, it's about kids, not being paralyzed when you get people back to that very human impact. If we don't behave well, I think in then it it'll often come through If you think that you bring up conspiracies because of the conspiracy theories about you online, have I insane on social media and social media has propagate to them in a way which, like bill gates, is trying to create vaccines so,

he can control your minds and he wants to actually everybody's money can implant. I think you're gonna change. People's DNA is what they said. You gonna change our dna, so that I don't know we turn interest one thing, and then we work for you somewhere. I dont know the full story, I'm still learning it. When you see these things. First of all, have you been able to track down where it comes from, and, secondly, you even guy. I know you think about these things. You want them like the biggest think, as I know have even thought about, like motivation behind economic front to figure out who benefits from a conspiracy theory and I've loved. You know, if you put any thought to this at all because of how many people won't get a vaccine, because they truly believe conspiracy theories, usually when you work on infectious disease like doktor, proud, and I do you're your kind of obscure and nobody that much about t or or malaria. So here we have. This in complete around where vaccine. some, are they good from people? Are now front and centre

and there's always been a small group of antibiotics, nation people, and we see this would in a measles vaccine. They now got a platform and they sort of join forces with some political conspiracy views and it so easy to come gone, particularly when a simple explanation for this pandemic. They of there is somebody evil behind it somehow ease here, then you know the true biology which has actually kind of complicated. So you know we have to make the truth more interesting and in a we got a label things with the truth and sadly, the naivete about how to make social media well is pretty strong and that's coincided with the election and the epidemic I wish I had the answer, but you know it's it's it's out there and big big numbers and hasn't it just keeps growing So when we look at the vaccine now I mean that's now the store,

You know now the world is waiting for the vaccine, because the vaccine, because the key that unlocked the door, as you see the light at the end of the tunnel she then is how do people get the vaccine, how, if will the distribution method be and how difficult that, where the vaccines could it be in short supply? The good news is that there's for other vaccines that are likely to get approve fairly quickly as well? The fact that five work so well makes us optimistic that, after Santa Johnson Johnson over tax, which, though our much cheaper, easier to scale and don't require that cold change will have a lot of vaccines and we need to prioritize people at risk, elder people, people who work in nursing homes and each country

we'll have to decide. Ok, who goes first that still a little bit confused in the? U S, but hopefully will get that straightened out varies very soon, because the vaccine is likely to be shipped a lot in the month of Amber, as you said, the anti vaccine community has only grown over time. I think the U S is now need biggest hub of anti vexes in the world. It started from thing with measles now with corona. It is fully fledged and because of politics, it's been amplified from our you'll have some people who, on the liberal side saying I don't trust the vaccine, it was made on the trump and then you'll have other people saying that I don't trust that vaccine. That came from Joe Biden than that and the Democrats. They try to brainwash it's a lot of people. May not want to take the vaccine, which made I'll go against everything we ve worked towards. So how

begin convincing people that the vaccine is safe, like in the midst of this political crisis. Well, it's cleared. The FDA went through the professional staff there. All the things are supposed do likewise fight Sir there's even an external committee that away and just to make absolutely sure that the the political desire to get this quickly did not, in fact the efficacy and safety review, and I feel very confident because the people involved are are really doing their job. Well, we don't need everyone to take. The vaccine. Society will have to decide if there's some job like going to a nursing home. You know in taking care of somebody's grandparents that, whether that son. You know how strongly you encourage them to have a back

so they're not spreading the rising crime. But with this level of advocacy, if we can get to seventy five percent dosed, then your block the spread. The disease with measles you'd have to get to like ninety five percent of even more infectious, but the Good NEWS here is that we just need majority and I think is people see people taking the vaccine and they see that the side effects of any are very, very rare. That confidence will build, and that will be good for society, because when you take the vaccine you're helping to protect other people, talk about climate change, because that's another one of bull, gates's, passions and other thing bill gates have been doing for a long time. You very strange Hobbes I play video games, do malaria and climate change, but let's talk a little bit about that

How much have we have? We have we gone backwards in this period in terms of fighting climate change, and what do you think of some of the concrete steps that we can take that move us closer to a place where we're not just destroying our home or our? based on the planet, but also acknowledging that there are people who have jobs that are tied to the current where we make energy. Well, the Good NEWS is

that the awareness of this is a problem in the. U S is going up are present to lacked cares a great deal about this issue. He may not get the full amount of money that he talked about being ideal, but if we priorities that money on innovation, new ways of making in cement and steal, then I view it is very solve a problem. So it's a lot like the pandemic, where innovation is what will get us out of this? We have two in sent the private sector, particularly very inventive people, to give us these,

illusions, and we, the government, owes it to us to get the best scientists, the best experts and invest early on, so that we're not getting into the problem, because once climate change comes, you can't get out of it. There's not like a vaccine for that, so I am really pleased that it has an lie the agenda of all our young voters are both parties, and so I am hoping during the next four years to make sure the privatisation of the high impact spending? Is there you're right? We have to try and create new industries in any place where the switch away from hydrocarbons is to hurt the economy. Do you think, maybe part of them? with getting everybody on board climate changes. They hid when gloom they and the planet will be dead in ten years. Fifteen years twenty years. Fifty you know what it is, and the plan

still around and they go like all. Clearly. This is not real. Well, when I look back and see why didn't my warnings about the pandemic lead to more activity in eyes? I have to say I you know: should I made the grimness even more vivid or told more people at bad news, so. If you want people to prepare an advance, you really do have to at least in some way showed that the potential negative outcomes, and now we can couple that with hay with innovation, you can create the high paying jobs, and you know the: U S is rich enough that we can make the transition even for the errors that are negatively affected, not super severe for enlightened about that. Having the common base of facts, like is climate change, a problem. Is it hard to solve

You know I was there really a chance of a pandemic coming there. you you want to build a consensus and once you get things under way, re emphasising like the heroes and the prompt on the the the great scientist to to created this way of making vaccines. Vaccines is help us with lots of other diseases, even cancer. Those positive stories will help push us through and maintain what, in the case of climate change, will be many decades of hard work. tat change the industrial economy so that there are no emissions and help countries poor than us that you can't afford a premium price and I'm gonna run out of time with you soon. So I wanted to chat you about another venture that bill Gates is jumping into, and this one is interesting as well

to the bandwagon bill. You have launched a podcast like wow. You know the pen Chemicals rule when even Bill gates has upon costs. Now, if its official, you have a really interesting podcast that you our co hosting with Rashid Jones. I love this. You ve got bill. machine. I knew asking big questions and what s interesting about this, as you too seems show different- and you have many similarities- you you know you you both went to harvard- I believe right only difference. Is she. actually graduated during production I have is: do you sometimes feel a little inadequate hosting with Russia when when, when you were a college dropouts, I'm I feel more because she is is so articulate and cheese and artist, and you know I like to give out lots of numbers

sure just boring his hack. So I think we looking for there was nerd. That's what you want to learn all those she'd like to read to bet it's. A good balance was lot of fun, doing it with her she's, not as hop domestic, the future. Is I'm and I'm trying to bring around whether it's the pandemic or climate change talking to her about? There is a path path. It's fun. I know doktor found she's your first guest and it's a really really fun podcast. It's fun to hear the both of you and the dynamic but you haven't, I hope, a lot of people tuna, because it's just a different way to listen to these conversations ass, for you join me in the show. Thank you again for taking the time. Thank you for the work that you good luck with everything, including the conspiracy theories and hopefully I'll see you on the other side of the tunnel. Yeah, impersonal, someday impressing reference you than I buy

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