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an order your kid today at inv tat dot com that's i envy i t a dot com please welcome bob woodward walkinshaw thank you great to be how can i just tell you one of my favorite experiences was i was doing shows in washington dc and i went to eat it restaurant and you eating at the same restaurant and you you got up to what you just leaving the restaurant i guess but it felt like everyone in dc like turns to look at you like that's the guy good right about us an end our careers you you remember that night my fly

i don't remember cause i've looking at your eyes bob you have written about nine president's it feels like for a long time people always regarded years bob woodward the journalist who is impartial he writes the story as it is i mean you wrote about nixon as well you order by nine president's this book feels different though it still feels like you impartial but it feels it feels like ready ready condemns president trump because of the evidence time and time again if you look for a summary it's a war on truth and he's making all these decisions in for

policy in the economy and it is not based on facts and so i think we're really i think this is a pivot moment right and the country needs to come to grips with what's going on in you're gonna be investigations going on for years probably but here you have a situation where the president people who work for him have to take papers off his das in order to prevent him from beginning a catastrophe like there was an order of about a trade agreement with south korea new think oh that's just a trade agreement but it's a part of an alliance with south korea right where we have twenty eight thousand of our troops there we have topsecret special access intelligence pro

grams that allow us to detect a north korean missile launch in seven seconds in trump wants to begin that process in jericho and his top economic aids is i have to take that in order to prevent a calamity now i've i've done this for forty seven years and i've never seen people who felt there was such an emergency this is this is an interesting idea a president who has people around him who publicly defend him but then private we seem to lambaste his every single move because this book is not written as an observation you spoke to people who work in the white house who work for the president you have notes you have tape recorder i'm i'm constantly amazed and and and i struggled to understand the fact that these people work for him and they all seem to know that the emperor's new clothes but they

tell us that he's wearing this archie and what you find cause i have the time to really develop relationships of trust with people who were where is the more they know the closer they are too trump the more they are on the verge of having a cardiac arrest of what he does in what he does not know and he will get locked in to these ideas all like nato that security agreed that has kept the peace for seventy year rights well we're wasting our money were suckers for doing that and finally amid i never thought this would happen the secretary of defence has to tell the president or we're doing these things to prevent world war three job

for a president prevent world war that really is to put it in context can you imagine dick cheney when he was secretary of defence to bush senior having to tell him oh by the way this is all designed to prevent war war three inconceivable when i seems like the very basic understandings of the press and see what's happening in the country are things that trumped doesn't grasp but there is always something that people bring up and that as they say this is just like nixon now you know of apart from his knowledge this thing like owed the shady deals this is just like nixon you he wrote about nixon you are in many ways part of the reason that nixon got into the trouble that he got it should now do you think this is similar to richard nixon we're going to find out and

it all depends on the quality of evidence and there's a lot of aroma there are lots of things going on as you rightly pointed out wait a minute the his or violations of the law right when does it gets so serious that the republicans will wake up that's the question and they now are the nay bowlers of trump in all of this stuff and you get to them privately and you say what do you think in they say my head hurts so hard tough we we are with you know this at this i mean just take in the book john dowd who was prompt sums personal attorney in the smaller investigation worked with him for eight months closely big supporter said ok you're gonna have to testify to this special council mauler and trumps is ok

i can do that no problem so they do a practice session and from starts making up things lying blows up and in the practice session in practice session in this is his lawyer so you can't testify if you testify you will perjure yourself in your wind up in an orange jump soup like the one you picture for a ban bright and and then he finally concludes that from is effing liar i know you're not supposed to say there were value they can say here is something that you might be able to help me understand because what what what i love about this book is that honestly it's a telling of a story i don't feel your personal attachment to it it is it is a complete

factual telling of a story and interviews that you have with people but from your personal perspective from the into actions you ve had with some of the people who work with trump why don't they just move on they have pence what what is the what is the end game for them what are they hope will happen it survival and a imagine were amid merrill street the actress great actress said just recently imagine what don trumps three a m is like just think of the he gets up in he'd tweets you look at this morning he was tweeting from seven to ten or eleven all about taking defensive positions are right on all of this you know one of the things from doing nine president's you you come

to the moment when somebody askew will what's the job of the president and my definition of the job of the president is to figure out the next stage of good for a mature the people in the country when a war fix the economy we could put a board up here and we would come up with a list not for the base or one party or interest groups in no there really is a next stage of good for this country right is best i can tell in trumps world and presidency that never comes up it is not addressed it's all about the moment of you saw that twenty minute oval office friday right and it's all about trump and his emotions his impulses he got to the point of saying

well i'll closed down the government in be proud of that right it will be a good thing or come on and the ease for i mean imagine the head of gm saying that all will close down all lands and i'll be proud of that so then do you think you think if you just look at this on the face of it one thing we ve always set as he has nicknamed the tough london it seems like nothing sticks to donald trump do you think there's a war we call goes down flynn goes down manifold goes down papadopoulos goes down everybody around him goes down and he miraculously comes out unscathed we don't know but the have

we call on the personal lawyer for ten years we know cohen taped all kinds of things in the rights in case it was thousands of ours of tapes i dont think those exist but if there's one witness you want it's the president's lawyer because you see in when trump was in new york real illustrate a real estate they'll people would do deals with him ryan's and they called it the donald risk taking any arrangement with him and what made sure they did is they would structure the deal so he couldn't get his hand hands on the cash flow on the money because he would just take it out and they would try to prevent that from happening so the operation sad this boat

in journalism in american politics of the last decade is we did not get his tax returns we should know his tax returns if anyone out there has them please let me thank you so much from being on the show is phenomenal a true legend bob woodward everybody fear daily shall determine our ears at it wants the daily show recognised that eleven and central on tommy central and calmly several watch episodes videos at the daily show that follow us on facebook twitter and instagram and subscribe to the daily show on youtube or exclusive caused in him this has been a comedy central podcast