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his teeth you have a new daily show podcast with my buddy contributor jordan klepper jordan klepper fingers the conspiracy have a lesson and be sure to look for the serious to him more forever you get your package john f kennedy jr was the son of john f kennedy the thirty fifth president of the united states tragically jfk jr was killed in a plane crash in nineteen ninety nine or was he yes he was of course he was but what if he wasn't what if he were about to re emerge as the vice president of donald trump who by the way is still the president sound crazy it is that is one of the wilder conspiracies i've heard it my seven years covering drop rallies you're probably from my daily show segments jordan blubber figures the pulse every nominated twice last twice where i

ap with trump supporters at rallies we are not called it's an american ideal that we treat women with respect you've got to give me the bag that i sure will retire that's too much fun trump that bet we don't even see the ira and if you're into conspiracy theories and there's nothing that comes close to drop rally but what's under back iq flagged you know those guys josie pye commie law are not legitimate wasn't futile saying that trump will be reinstated as president never love people i mean there's a whole list of had a file symbols really he asked woodstock except everywhere there takes you we had reached a dollar ground normally when one of these conspiracy theories comes up i've response the past it because we're shooting a piece for tv and we have to stay somewhat focused but this is a podcast we don't have to stay focused at all times finally diving into some of the most incredible conspiracy theories that have been pitched me at drop rallies

america's most imaginative minds this is jordan clever fingers say at all new limited series podcast from a diversion of ups go on down from a grassy knolls mistaken let's talk about john f kennedy junior but how do we do that i want a regular first guest will summer wills of politics moreover the daily beast he's got a book come out february called trust the plan the right of cuban on and the conspiracy that unhinged america well welcome it odin clap her fingers the conspiracy i'm excited to have you are you are here to help me walk through an nurse stand what is going on in this world of john f kennedy junior and i will say this i go out on the road and i start hearing people talking about j f k junior and initially

taking other talkin about j f k there's a long history of conspiracies with j f k that i'm putting together that a shift a junior and that i start to see signs up i sought to see bumper sticker that have him as vice presidential candidate to donald trump and then a month so back i go a rally in the mid west and i'm hearing sweet old grandmothers talk about john f kennedy junior and i can't make heads or tails but can you can you set out a little bit of where this began what do we need to know sure so this is really bizarre i head as you noted i mean the origins of this are within q and on of course there was be this figure q who is giving these anonymous clues and then at one point in twenty eight in q sort of vanished for a month on the forums where the clues came out and then someone are shows up and start saying you know this is really about jfk junior and

no that's kind of where the where it begins and eventually q comes back and canada's says i the jack aging yourselves garbage you know what do you mean tricking all my people but the j of gauging yours really starts there with this idea that f k junior faked his death to take on the deep and help donald trump sort of bring about this sort of cuban on utopia lives it can is he inside the conspiracy it's it's a conspiracy to duck in right now exactly it's sort of a splinter faction and you get situation where it like the kind of the mainland on people will often be like god like you know i believe all disputes against affably visibility clan but these jacket junior blair embarrassing ass they display totally stupid stuff the dynamic you out there we like oh my god can we just go active serious things like talking about how the democrats drink babies blood and all this junior stop or losing credibility people are losing credibility put your did while at back on eleven march yummy

basically there saying these jfk junior people almost like a government are meant to embarrass q and on but really this belief has ended jackie junior has persisted ever set so so what are its intention in this situate like initially that jerky junior one is alive so perhaps he faked his death and two he's aligning himself with donald trump it feels like there's four steps there that i live in a hard on negative what why jerry hey junior and let's with why he's alive even why that should matter sure so the arc that is presented by r and and and i want to point out here that kick ours the letter after q and so that's sort of the explanation for this is it or is it well

your main stream a lead us alphabet says it's the letter after a few bucks i am i only if you're moving forward through time but that's all another bought cast exactly so so the these sort of the destroyed its laid out is that john f kennedy the father is killed by the deep state you know nineteen sixty three if jfk junior sees this and says oh man the deep state might come for me and i wanna get revenge on them for murdering my father and so for years he builds up relationship with donald trump you know because they were both these new york socialite figures there are pictures of them together and so this is used to suggest that they were like best bodies then in this story line jackie junior fakes his death in this plane crash to sort of go under cover and sort of lay the groundwork for the cuban on jobs be and eventually emerge for a while they thought he was going to replace mike pence in twenty twenty on the ticket and that he would sort of kind of help trump it's sorta get this final revenge on the deep state so in this world

t j k ginerous faking his own death to exist cover and wait for the right time still maintaining a relationship donald trump throughout all of this sordid or donald trump just come about and becomes an avatar virginia k juniors ascension yeah that's a good question i mean a lot of is a little contradictory that super thought out that might surprise you know but but basically be the idea is that you know back in the nineties are or the eighties they kind of cut the steel and they sat donald trump that man is stuff is really messed up you know and then in jail junior so tell me about it you know that shot my dad and then they saw it teamed up at a jerk a junior went into hiding spell me about it i dad oh wow yeah you're right this is messed up let me let me run for president a few decades from now and make this thing happen you're helping me connect that circle if it's a circle what i'm used about i go out there j f k famously not a republican

john f kennedy junior at least from my perspective new york elite not pull the goal but somebody who is a magazine magnates and sign felt character doesn't it we match up is the type of person that this often far right group would would align them i was worth what what why why do they see this potential in in somebody who so outside of the norm you don't think that's a great question what is the emotional resonance of jfk junior why wise it wiser j occasion they fix it on rather than other celebrity who died in the nineties so v i think the answer to it is that when we think about the queue an unbeliever and i think in particular the people who go for their jacket junior stuff they're usually baby boomers and i think the jail hey assassination had a huge sort of emotional impact on them and i think also kay junior was we sort of see there's this very like prominent baby boomer ob sort of an avatar his generation it in so that way

there is this kind of this very emotional connection to him in a way that their that wouldn't be with another celebrity i think also the j kay as like the last good democrat is some that has persisted among republicans even before you and on this idea come of this popular martyred president oh isn't a terrible that you i'll be j and in the sixties took being a democratic such an awful direction so i think kay himself still has a lot of residence with republicans and and cuban unbelievers there's a lot of kind of like emotions tied up in all that when you look back on jfk conspiracies does it seem quaint does it seem sort of like the initial modern conspiracy theory that americans have sort of built a mythos around i mean i think obviously we ve had conspiracy theories throughout american history but that the kennedy is ass nation is such a sort of an ethical one then i think it's a lot of people into conspiracy theories and is certainly i think that biggest in the richest one to dive into in modern

history it also sort of brings everything full circle incorporating kennedy cannot as this is that a super conspiracy theory or a mega conspiracy theory that where you can see get whatever you want out of it and so we see a lot of kennedy conspiracy there is drawn into it to a guy who is a really big when on leader and he had for decades been just like a jfk crank emily going all these conventions stuff like that q and on arrives he says oh you know i can sort of incorporate my kennedy beliefs into he went on and were brought in my worldview and then see more the world explained me in that way if i do that's an aspect of it is well it's it's interesting i think what a lot of people miss is just how fun conspiracies are there they are gauging this budget if you're on a computer one of the most funding you can do is go down that rapid hole and and also come away with something

empowers you because you feel like you know something somebody else does it i i did a a job down in dallas a decade ago and i was walking through the grassy knoll multiple times right there there are dealey plaza and people would approach you and they would tell you things that you should know and should know until there was it was like a cottage industry for conspiracy theorist to give small little tours take you to places that they they tell you what what happened what they're not telling you and it's easy to get wrapped up in that and you see the people starting to develop an internet only mindsets out of it but it gives them importance it gives them in some cases a job but it makes them important in that little place and i start to see that pop up at some of these trump rallies that i go to seeing people who now own part of these little conspiracies and they become many celebrities at these rallies that we see in looking at this jfk jr coming

back as part of there's been discussions of his reappearance there's been groups one group called negative forty eight who has staged avenge waiting for his return can you tell us a little bit of a negative forty eight shirt yes forty eight is a group that is is very convinced that jfk not only jackie junior by by canada eject himself and all sorts of this river bevy of other beloved deceased celebrities r r is to to back to life but they sort of been in inclusion they ve been in hiding and that they're going to come back and saw an usher this cuban on world there is there called negative forty eight is because they did they these characteristics light due to somebody's i really do deepen it but essentially they believe in this thing jamal tria where they signed numerical values to letters and then they do i've meaning from that a equals one be equals too and so on but essentially they say like jordan clapper twenty trust the plan twenty

make amerika great again twenty five and they they just speak in this language that doesn't make sense to anyone outside of it but they they see importance in these numbers in these these coincidence as in so from there they essentially gonna whip themselves up into believe these things like got jacket juniors coming back i i found out what you're montreal was well quick what are the rallies i went to when a woman kind of walked me through that she brought out a geometry a calculator and started typing in my name type it in trump's name and connecting all sorts of numbers it was wild it was real fun you can kind of make anything makes sense then type it in the calculator you get those numbers and so michael jackson's last concert was this is it comes to one thirty damage

dude i don't know what that means someone to thirteen means not true so michael jackson that wasn't his last concert and he's alive it's not necessarily a conspiratorial thing although it's used in that sense it's correct me if i'm wrong it's essentially a mathematical way of turning letters into numbers and religions have been using this for centuries just to try to find and try to derive meeting trying to look deeper into biblical texts and what have you i thought that was a key component when i talked to this woman because the way she talked about geometry and it was beyond this is a conspiracy it's fun i have power because i have knowledge it was also i'm serving a biblical character there's religion attached to the i think that's where the real danger comes here where you have people who are serving serving religion and serving god through this fun little weird game that they play and then deciding that a leah is going to appear alongside

michael jackson and perhaps at jfk junior all at once it's like the bin laden was obama clarify who still alive been a junior is jfk junior still alive jfk junior is still alive to think jfk junior is going to try and expose globalist because they kill his father we're talking about to box coming back robin williams is coming back alley as you mentioned sort of pick your favorite dead celebrity and so what happened was these folks descended on dallas where they thought there is going to be one of the dead celebrities parade and their milling around in their seats in like a homeless guy there like i think that's robin williams and then arrow i ads are often williams and so on and a lot of these guys are really like i'm not sure these these are super up on like to back for example and there there's had that's you back at all these guys i that's biggie at and it sorted this you can see their sort of going into this world where like bad ever happens no no one ever dies with drug overdose or a suicide

the other thing i would add is that they think a lot of dead celebrities were murdered or into hiding like jerky junior think their death because they blow the lid off the cabal so like the latent dj of ici dino defect is that all these gonna people just gonna whitney houston but there are coming back it is big moment and you can see these people were critically in this way they were kind of million dollars for months just the amount of their own lives and in their own like hearts that they ve invested into into it you know they're just you two headed a brick wall when eventually they realize none of its happening the it just predominantly white people who live in a bubble walking around dallas pick you may see to pack everywhere it what the fuck do you know who do park is and you think that guides tupac and biggie they are these are diametrically opposed on many levels but i bet you're seeing it as the same person who's going into subway

but do these live streams where they would say like didn't y'all see that dead rapper like they wouldn't know any names you know they kind of have this gave a telephone figure it out i'm not going to be a conspiracy or anything like that but i just watched a movie last week with robin williams in it it was called log into the man of the year and guess what they had election fraud back then the machines are switching to doing it electronically and they were counted wrong cause a you mentoring now just a movie other lessons we can take from work and windy now it should be pointed out that they pointed to people specifically jfk junior as there's been a man who's going to multiple rallies stand sign donald trump and that's j k junior i went to see pack and i saw him there as well and he's taken selfies because he's also jfk junior to some people are just apps

racked apparitions they are actually humans that they point to its aid no this is who you are you i have actually i was just texting with him so so his name is is vincent food scare and he is this like trump super fan in the lead up to in the twenty six intellectually had this van conifers soon with trump paraphernalia and so he kind of adds up becoming because he's a big am fan he's behind him at a lotta rallies when the jacket the new steps are happening in this guy i should say wants nothing like jfk junior he dresses he wears like a big fedora he's very scruffy guy he wears like italy big suit coat and so now to be clear j j junior was a stylish man and that it can only be assumed that that style mixed with privilege and wealth would have led him into the modern era not choosing to wherefore dora gets here i yeah yeah maybe in the nineties you know

but now i don't think so it's so early early swing day big big bad mood daddy he would have had a door after about a lot of college kids you wanted to look like gyp did you know you could pull out of the door but modern jfk junior no no frickin way bill way and so so he's anyone trump and when the decade unicef's stuff happening people go my gosh i think that's jacket in your behind trump and then there was a blonde woman nearby and this i think that's jfk juniors wife and so i mean they kind get going but the wild thing to me about it is this guy doesn't i wouldn't say guys are largely occasionally be allowed he goes o whose desire and so i've seen this guy maybe seven or eight times we'll be at a rally or something and people go jirga junior you know we want pictures and then i say to him hey you want to tell me about how everyone thinks you're jfk junior you're obviously not and he goes oh i'd love talk to you later how about an hour let me catch up in just a busy today town you know you're my number let's talk later isley never gets back to me

doctors one woman who is our opposite really selfies with them and i said you know that such kid junior right and she's like have you ever heard of hollywood hundreds of visual effects and you ve heard of medea you know it so they are there really deep at a time perry as evidence it's a it's a smart move and i i give vincent props i tell you if somebody stops me on the streets as joel mchale i love you and community i don't correct him now that's let them think that let them live their own reality as americans we have every right to world reality i think it's in the constitution somewhere somewhere deep and now there's there's a dark side to some of this because

i will say what i talked to the woman whose into geometry em and she was a part of this negative forty eight group they shop and doubtless they wait in dallas for jfk junior to arrive and then they stay there for months and months on end and their stories of families who are losing loved ones to this conspiracy mindset and people's need money to these though the leader programme and i believe like what are some of the dark side of believing in these weird fantasies yeah i mean so you know q and i have talked to so many people who have lost family and friends to queue not and when you talk about something as extreme as negative forty eight is sort of that faction i mean you're talking about people who have essential given up their lives at this point i mean it's like they join kind like a traveling commune or something i mean you know their say this hotel room for months at a time which is not cheap they're kind of pooling their funds at one but you know there are a bunch of like little toddlers little kids involved which is not great for them to be roaming around looking for bachar whenever an i talk to one guy who whose wife had he thought he had a

totally find normal marriage and then she just says i'm gonna go to this trump rally well as it turned out she was going to join negative forty eight and then just vanishes and is he you see in her in these videos and like what is happening my family there's no evidence she's coming back you all this gonna stop i mean is really really grim stuff this is a poor guy is you see him unhomelike my wife she left me for decades union i get it is what is as for man and he's been through a lot you know he's died he's come back he was living as this man vincent he's trying to pull off or as in modern times that last year for example yeah it's a bold decision has found love but she's may alone will deposit right there will be right back

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thanks for having me so joe we got will summer here we ve been going down this j f k junior wormhole rabbit whole whenever a whole you wanna call it wherein it you ve looked at what is happening and what continues to happen in dallas from your perspective what's going on down there is so you have people that probably have a bunch of psychological issues maybe they're prone to delusions their prone to believing things in spite of evidence and that's what got them to this point and that this is fanciful it's fun for them it probably enjoying it but it doesn't shock me to hear the things that will is talking about i mean there are families and i get emails from these families once in a while

sun disappeared or you know one family member you know got into a conspiracy theory now they can't even talk to the person and there isn't much i can say to these families other than i'm not that kind of doctor i mean there's nothing i can do for for this sort of stuff and i sympathize and empathize with them but and there isn't much you can do what makes people predisposed to believe conspiracy theories in the first place what what why did they go and seek them out while the answer is gonna be a little bit unsatisfying but this is where we are and that is that some people more than others have a world view in which you know they go over to the window when they wake up in the morning they look out and they see staff and all it must be caused by a conspiracy you know being driven by people who are already dont want and the question becomes a word is that come from in the answers we don't know yeah we just know that it exists

we know that some people are just really prone to it so it's not the beliefs themselves it's not the idea's except it's people that have a very thick set of lenses so when they come into contact with these ideas it's just easy for them to say yeah that must be true america is not a new thing to believe in conspiracy theories it's not a new thing to have perhaps a warped sense of reality we are the country that gave you the salem witch trials or always looking for ways in which to perceive what's happening around us how serious the situation were living in now is this is it aberration is this is this something that social media has one created or too is just reflecting what already been happening out there and we were blown it into or or its overblown

our perspective on it yet you know me look as you said to me conspiracy theories have been with us throughout american history going back to the witch roused me there's really rich history of it sort of each kind of big kid at moments in the united states have a conspiracy theories really abounding at the same time think what's unique about the moment wherein is number one social media as you mentioned which i think helps people with this kind of conspiratorial mindset connect with one another the way i think of it as if you think of like the kennedy assassination in order to fines like minded people you have two maybe print zine sent letters go to a convention stuff that and then everyone on your block would be sailing you're not or whatever whereas now these you can just go online and and find like minded people reinforce their beliefs and find new it's really really easily the other thing i would say as we ve i at least i think in modern history we haven't seen this kind of conspiratorial thinking embraced by so many politicians to the point where we have members of congress who believe in q and ot and have supported a recently donald trump is posting really explicit pro

good on videos so in that way i think it really helps mainstream these conspiracy theories in a way that we have an hour before i've i love thinking that in the old days you at least had to learn how to produce a zine like there's something to the stereotype of like well you had to cut out letters and you actually had to build a board and connected with its i know there's a certain by and that that buys you now you can do this all alive you don't even have to go to hobby lobby to buy the shit you can do it i didn't it i and it's so low joe i wonder where do you see the threat level something like this it's it's it's with politicians so to me i i don't think people have changed all that much overtime if anything we're believe in conspiracy theories as much as we did ten twenty thirty years ago what's different now is not just trump but

similarly trump and other people who want to do what trump has done so when you have people who can act on conspiracy theories with a monopoly of authoritative force when you have people who already have large audiences because they are politicians and transmitting these things and that is going to reach a lot of people and it's going to influence a lot of people like any of us can go onto social media in spurt out whatever stupid conspiracy theory we want doesn't mean anyone's going to pay attention right doesn't mean anyone's going to care even look at it but if trump does it that's a very different ballgame right and when you have people who have political power

engaging in this that's incredibly dangerous and if you look back through history the times where we have you know the worst episodes of conspiracy theorizing it's usually because of politicians getting involved in acting on it in some way is it possible to put these ideas back in a box can you roll this back you know i i really without talking to people about the election and election deniers and so much is based on this idea as soon as you have doubt and you see it through a lens of doubt and mistrust everywhere it almost as a matter what's going to happen the next election you're going to see it it's going to be there have are we already hard wired these brains to see and distrust so many things that there will not be a turning back that even though somebody like donald trump might wheeled so much power and be able to direct it certain ways that we sort of already infected a generation with this mindset well he's already people

who who think that no matter what right after any election there's about you know twenty to thirty percent of the country who think it was rigged why because they lost re as in politics as in sports who complains after the football game now what's the losing team right so that sort of normal after every election what's abnormal right now is that you have the losing candidate saying it was rigged i was cheated and going on and on and on about it and pulling in the whole of the conservative media add lots of allies in common so now you have sort of a full court press of people saying it's rigged is rigged its red so that's why you have between sixty and eighty percent of reports in saying twenty twenty was rigged against them rather than the normal thirty forty fifty percent that might have otherwise said it was weird just for the fact that they lost

how close are we to have a six year eighty percent of the gnp believe jfk junior is coming back is that is at weeks or months away i think that would be a tougher one to pull off i mean trump has a lot of influence or if he got behind a conspiracy theory repeatedly for a long period of time he could make people buy in and if it's something like election fraud he can pull out because those ideas are always around but sometimes you'll come out we're conspiracy theories they just don't you but once anyone i mean i'm not aware of a lot of ted crews dad kill j f k truth is out there even though he pushed that you know six or seven years ago i mean i just didn't take off but i think if you go after ideas the people or sort of already inclined towards i mean he can do a lot of damage that way i mean i think we are inclined to the idea of wanting a leah to be back in our lives again we want another classic

album we want that redemption i think that's on the cusp if if he if he even nudges us in that direction i think we all buy tickets immediately to the next cuts or whether or not she appears or not i mean we think that q anon stuff is wacky and crazy and where do people come up with these ideas but we lived through the eighties i mean there was massive satanic panics during that time satan was everywhere and even oliver stone's jfk movie which was you know a popular movie was about the pedophile deep state going after the prayers of the united states i mean joe pesci played the defrocked pedophile priest so even the the the basic idea behind q not is not new i mean all of this stuff is recycled and rehashed and sergeant the same people believing the same stuff sort of a choose your own adventure madeline book that their that that they're just replaying over and over again i think cute

as a political violence to it as well do you look at the pictures of january six the people the people who were there who were convinced that this was going to become this big like a fascist moment where the dream we're gonna come true and certainly i mean i i think it its unique in that it has achieve such mainstream prevalence within the republican party i mean we're talking about election denial stuff like that and in many ways i think you and i just kind of an easy thing to talk about because you can kind of get a handle on it it's people were holding queues and stuff like that lot of these ideas that are core to cuban on have become swirling around the gnp and it become much more successful without the queue late attached so we think about for example this idea that you are talking about gay people existing in a school is part of a pedophile groom reply and so we can see these things really being weapon ized into policy and in uniting early ominous why i want to talk about how this is covered wouldn't obviously there

elements of conspiracy theories that belong in the new that become news we oh of role should be for journalists and coming seventies fringe beliefs is giving too much air too follow some of these jfk junior ideas and and put them on a pedestal so people can see those ideas and have that air out or or what you're talking about right now because this is affecting our culture do they need to be more vigilant and bring this to the forefront so we can engage with them we can knock them down or at least beware that they're out there sure i mean i think it's a complicated one for me i know you certainly don't want to just go find a couple in nuts online it's like value these guys so crazy for me it's when it's is crossing over into the real world i mean we've had kune and unbelievers murdering people we had a q and a guy murder his wife in two thousand and eighteen coupon guy shut down a bridge the hoover dam yet a bunch of guns that was at the point where i was like this is not just an online thing anymore this is something where i have to trust my readers enough both as an audience and

if you citizens that they deserve what's going on in the world and you know i do think that idea of application is irrelevant one but at the point where you have donald trump saying check out this q stuff you know i think that the cow is out of the barn and i would add in the case of jericho junior mean one of these maybe he's kind of a while jfk junior impersonator there's another guy who's put together a coalition that is going that has people run to control elections and battleground states whose a jerk edgier prisoner there there how many are really i mean this is that is going to have really i think really concrete act on our lives unfortunately there was already

tells what i talked to the geometry a woman you know what what the talk of the the rally at that point was not that this was just a person who believed this wild thing but as a person who is in dallas who had a strong following in places like telegram and the talk was that they had a relationship with the trump campaign that a lot of these people from negative forty eight were also setting up chairs and in view of the fact that it would show up and try to help the campaign get set up at the rallies they would get certain vip passes and this is not just a fringe thing is this outside some of the campaigns in some ways that also working and coordinating within them it's it's becoming folded into it there is sort of this tension with the trump campaign where they seemed to see these people as what they are which is huge trump super fans and trump is a company signalling to cure non believers but the same time they don't want the average person to see bunch accused up at the rallies so we see the negative forty eight people doing the queuing on symbols and stuff at the rallies and they're being told you know don't don't do

i would have you made there's kind of his poland is back and forth drug doesn't understand that is so complicated against its above there is some onion headline that i think now that that was essentially trump half ass in his support but like yeah i guess the democrats eat babies or whatever the hell it is you guys thick like you could you could feel it like i if this makes you like me more sure but i can't even begin to wrap my head around what you guys think is going bad job i'm wondering what you think the the the proper response from the media would be covering these types of stories that's really tough question emily i'll tell you what i started studying the topic about fifteen years ago there is barely any coverage of conspiracy theories in the mainstream knew so i started a google alert

back then so every night i would get all the articles that that had the term conspiracy theory in it and back then i was getting four or five articles a day and none on the weekends and at the end of two thousand and fifteen that had jumped to one hundred today every day and just just this is anecdotal but as for myself i think i took close to three hundred interviews one in twenty alone so almost every journalist was calling me when they were writing about it and they're all writing it about a quite a bit and then i think what happened shortly after two thousand and sixteen is that a lot of made news outlets started getting their own misinformation conspiracy theory social media news das so they now have dedicated reporters just just covering this topic so it's gonna continued to at a lot of attention i don't know you know what the what the effect of the coverage is i mean i i think that some things went wrong in twenty twenty i think there are a lot of journalists that had sort of a panic

over a conspiracy theories of misinformation in the headlines sort of got into their own echo chamber or like he was take in over the world and it's the biggest thing ever and you know as i was pulling on it i was like i'm just not getting these these massive numbers it's there it exists and they have a presence online but i think we'll was one of the few people who was in journalism who was saying you know maybe it's not as big as some of the fantastic headlines we are saying it is so i think in some ways you know some of the sensationalistic reporting got ahead of itself will be right back

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yeah ok so and now these proposer little out of date and in joe just great pulling on this i think he has newer number so that the difficult the of kneeling down q and a belief is there's a couple thanks we want a lot of time people are going to say they may believe some of the tenets of it but they're not on the forum saying here where we go and we go all stuff like that in time we have to realise that at the end of twenty twenty cute basically told the fans the brandon come to damaged and decide to saying q q and just the sort of views that i can points and so there is going to be an amount i think of people who are kind of downplaying it there's a march twenty twenty one poll five thousand people that found that fifteen percent of them believe satanic satan wars bing pedophiles run a global child sex operation we got two thirds doesn't people in january twenty twenty one that found fifteen percent believe that trunk was at war with these hollywood pedophiles and now when you start asking mccune on the numbers get a little lower you targeted at three seven percent still we're talking about millions of people that's more popular

religions in the united states so you know it don't shit on the quakers why i'm gonna shit because i know what you're getting at there i can read between the lines there are good peaceful group of people stops the quakers don't come on my podcast cast and make all this anti quaker attacks i know they had a hard time getting people into the whatever they call it community room but working hard on this ok exactly where you believe the quakers out of your mouth just gettin racked by cure on the other there didn't blown out itself so yet what we are talking about that at the same time i mean the jfk junior people are kind of a fat faction of that and then we down to the negative forty eight group which is smaller than that so i would say

i get a forty eight i think has tens of thousands of telegrams subscribers i think when we think about hardcore fans we're probably talking a couple thousand at it's actually interesting to see joe where do you see there the the hardcore fans the people who show up at the event who are posting most of that information but there's that secondary element to have when it just becomes a brand i go to some of these events and i see people wearing ku paraffin it kills back gives you everywhere yes the online conspiracy following a mysterious character known as q was more popular than ever is that a q yeah are you accuse the border certainly some people i talked to the way that just because they understand that it's a it's trolling behavior that it's a brand that they could put on their body it's going to piss off them

yeah it's going to get attention from the people they want to get attention with and they may not even know the tenets of what q is but they do know that it's something that they support in theory because in their mind the support is just troll it is that dangerous as that sort of a is it is it the evolution of a conspiracy theory that when it just becomes hepsey that were were were infoworld heard where do you see that yet another sort of calling everything q and are now right and if you go back the idea that you were not adopted a lot of ideas that pre existing chiunagon then it's not quite as disturbing so between twenty nineteen and more recently were depending on how you asked the question if it you really just doing direct questions are you believe thank you and i do you follow q and on we're getting between five and twelve percent

which makes it one of the least believed and followed things that i call on you to put that in perspective we just say do you think there was a conspiracy to kill kennedy in nineteen sixty three were getting between fifty and sixty percent so cute on isn't isn't all that huge but one wills exactly right when we ask on these more general idea slake our teachers grooming kids to become trans are there say tentacles doing massive satanic rituals across the country are elites running sex trafficking rings we're getting between twenty and thirty five percent now i wouldn't call those ideas q ideas i mean q and on adopts them but they could have existed decades ago and some of those ideas sort of have their origin thousands of years ago so they been around and i i just don't want to a tribute them to cuba

then it says like oh this guy was able to convince thirty percent of the country that elites are running sex trafficking rings when in fact those ideas you know might have been around well before that it's just we weren't paying attention you know even back during their stay technocratic of the eighties they were there pupils taken of how many people were buying in to this idea satanic culture around and i've only found one paul in an end it was of texas so you have to but to keep that in mind but it was eighty percent of people at the end of the eighties thought it you know one of the major problems in the country was satanic cults going around abusing people so i dont know how well that might have been believed in you know some other state at the time but but right now trying to pull on all these things and assist we don't have good comparisons to the past i would note there is that there is something unique about cuba in comparison to sell these other conspiracy theories if you're talking about like the thing

kennedy assassination was it was always a conspiracy theory or the moon was fake there's come not a lot you can personally do about it in the case of cuba not theirs kind of this sort of a fast as utopia at the core of it and that there are play is that we are going to go terrorized these satanic pedophiles so it is kind of like a way that people can participate in it but i think it makes it more dangerous than you don't believe it that again the moonlight was fake or something like that it's a game there's a group identity right so lotta people believe kennedy was killed by a conspiracy but they're not friends they don't consumes so to be part of a group the movement by mcewen on a lot of those people do like they are doing something together they're following along they're solving the clues they are expecting an outcome in a shared way and that's something that most conspiracy theories

dont really have an that's like you and i have always been very hard to define rikers it's sort of call this but not really a called it's a group but sort of decentralized it's got a lot of conspiracy theories in it so it's not just the conspiracy theory and it's got sort of activities that people can do to sort of be a part of it and play along that other conspiracy theories to still have i do love thinking of it like activities it's like we get to get together we get to solve white tom hanks is drinking baby blood it's like just a bunch of little insight pedia brown running around america it's funny you say that i mean they they had a rally in d c and they said you know we're going to kind of go on this excursion if you're interested to go protest the comet ping pong so they have the whole itineraries but before i let you go part of the so this podcast is one

the rat my head around some of this stuff that i've seen out there on the road but to help me what am i gonna see up there on the road a couple months from now one in regard to the j f k junior conspiracy how does that morph in two am i gonna get a new robin williams movie out of this oh yeah you know i i i think the jail caging your stuff is going to continue i mean i saw in particular i think if trump keeps engaging war with q and i think we're gonna see more people getting into another kind of sea some fresh energy behind that i i once went to their candidate trompe in july fourth event and all these women the trump hotel were wearing black jfk junior shirts and this lady had em jackie junior mask on her face and i said to her you know what's that i don't she goes he's alive it's got a flit it flutters away so i mean i don't think that energy is going anywhere and you know i think we get we get new considers there is all the time and so i think you know you got to be

one i am seeing a lot of movement on this idea that the elites wanna meet make us all eat bugs during so like you you might want to be look out for that i think there can be a lot of like that what they say as i will not need the bugs and so i think you might get someone at all costs to you about that so so don't don't make him do it i hate that i hate that job so much dear lord dear lord george you might want to be on the lookout i guess there's this thing about a leak thread to make you eat bugs bug ghazi is that what it is yeah oh i don't have to look out for us worse than that i think the same reporter who was writing about the bug eating was also writing about forced anal swapping it's not just about testing for curve it's about humiliating you in public so he walked down the street they have like a government tent set up where they're sticking people with the cue tips up the ass that's going to be and that's going to be something come true somebody's

dream apparently so this is a right that right now i need to be aware of bug ghazi and bomb ghazi their effect there on the horizon thank you john man well well joe takes recover other podcast i'm gonna go to no trouble rally a few do you guys wanna come along map in my view a little with debts were buried up up what they you guys rejoice in may and help me figure this conspiracy rather than give listen to jordan club fingers the conspiracy on the eye radio f apple pie gas or wherever you get your black this is a comedy central podcast

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