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based around a movement. I remember this trending online. I remember the debate that this started. Shout your abortion, ITALY, Jaws alot of people. But what is this movement all about? So it started in two thousand and fifteen when, I don't remember, but the plan parenthood cells, baby parts- videos, yes we're going around right, Jake hit and my friends and I were perturbed and trying to figure out is there something that we can do? Is there some way that we can counteract this like crazy? nonsense and my friend Amelia went on Facebook kind of spontaneously and were beautiful posts that that I haven't abortion, a plan, parenthood and it was an overwhelmingly positive experience. I felt nothing but relief and I'm a good person and my abortion made me happy and so on

took that it's been grabbed it and I threw it on Twitter and I added shot your abortion and then the internet exploded and some people said they were going to kill us, but a lot of people, joins right hand toward started telling their stories with the hashtag and it was really kind of gorgeous- was like this huge outpouring of just just truth strike. You know some people had experiences that we're traumatic and some people had experiences like Emilius. That were that, were they just want gratitude and a lot of people. People told us stories about having abortions before Roby Way than it was in a we got letters from religious people and conservative people, because the reality is that people are often abortions forever, whether you know really across party lines across religious lines across geographic lines. It's the reality and the is the converse

solution has really been dominated by what is essentially a fringe opinion. You know anti choice. Rhetoric is not actually the norm right out, Seventy one percent of Americans support Roby, weighed and that's not a controversial thing, and yet we're all sort of action of this corner talk about abortion as like. Well yeah. I guess it is kind of murder. Like even people who or who are pro choice, get sort of trapped in rat paradigm which is propaganda. But how do you? How do you move people away from the negative ideas surrounding abortion, because the paradox of abortion is that it isn't something that is taken lightly? It's not something that is is is benign flimsy, but at the same time it is not what many anti abortion activists have have started to speak about it. As we you you, you speak about the fact that it is not a position and shouldn't be one, but it has become

one overtime, and we know that you know the church, like the catholic Church, for instance, America did a really good job of reshaping. That idea in the minds of politicians. So how to shout you, abortion, try to take us in a different direction. It's just people telling the truth about their experiences and experiences that we ve been taught to feel shame about and to apologise for which is really engineered by that you Angelica right deliberately, you know, and so all this is. It doesn't it's. It's morally neutral. You know it's just people telling the truth here is what happened to me. Here's my only this choice. Here's why I had to terminate this desperately wanted pregnancy or its people. Talking about having had multiple abortions for every different kind of reason by it, and so I think you know when you let such a common experience, one in four

people who get pregnant we'll have an abortion. That's huge. That means that everyone knows and loves someone who has had an abortion. That's just reality. It's interesting because I noticed in your speech and also in the book You stay away from using the term women. A women's issue is that is that something intentional I mean, I think it's just more important. now than ever, when you know this administration is openly hostile to trans people, I mean, I think, those who are trying to be on the right side of history and who genuinely care about Other human beings try to be inclusive in our language, and the fact is that it's not only women who can become pregnant

and men and non binary people can be pregnant. That's just reality, bridle. Why inaccurate? In the way that I speak when you, when you look through this book, what are what I really found interesting and beautiful about it is that it is stories from individuals who are telling you their individual experience about how and why they had an abortion. Some painful. You know some some stories where the person didn't want to have an abortion, but had to you know because of circumstances. You have all of the images in the book. That's that's very deliberate thing to do. Do you think that that that adds to the stories putting up putting a face behind its absolutely? I mean I think it's really easy again. When you have this tiny fringe groups controlling the narrative the only one saying abortion out loud right and if we're never saying abortion out loud and we're never telling our stories because we're shamed into silence, and when we talk about abortion, we say we're so sorry we're so sorry about this constitution.

right that we have, and we know it's wrong a bad, but can we please keep having it maybe like? How is that a compelling political argument? But when you tell the truth- and you say I'm a human being. You know me, and you love me, and I've had an abortion and its normal at its happening all the time I mean that Just so it's so powerful and it really breaks down that argument, and it really shows you that entering choice. People are not trying to stop abortion they're trying to legislate, who can and cannot have abortions because Conservative politicians, their wives and mistresses and daughters are always gonna, be able to go, get an abortion somewhere and really all anti choice. Rhetoric does, and you know, attempts to criminalize abortion, or to overturn row? All that's going to do is keep people trapped in poverty.

For I am drowning in poverty for generations. That's the goal, and if it wasn't the goal, they would spend their time and money on comprehensive sex education, free birth control, free contraception, all the things that actually protests people spend their time on that actual do affect their abortion rate, so it's a beautiful amazing movement behind a thank you so much for being on the show the book shop you, abortion is available now Lindy West, everyone, they show with Trevor no ears this substance. I do the daily show on you too, for exclusive content and stream full episodes anytime paramount, plus This has been a comedy central podcast career builder is made for people who have that thing. You know

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