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and congratulations on creating and working with a group of people on a project that has gone on to become more than just a moment, but rather a rethinking of America's history. Let's start with the! Why? Behind this I mean history seems like it has been written, so why trying right it again? Well, history has been written bad. It's been written to tell us a certain story and the sixteen nineteen project is trying to refrain that story, and it's free about the ongoing legacy of slavery. We've been taught that slavery was a long time ago get over it, which is something nearly every black person. This country here that some point and the one thousand six hundred and nineteen project is really saying that slavery was so foundational to America and its institutions that we, They are suffering from that legacy. Now is exploring the many ways that we that we still are it's interesting that you ve chosen LEO sixteen nineteen, because many people would say, but this was before America existed in a one

start at America's founding and then not include the years before when this was a colony in Virginia and Britain were involved. So why do you choose that point? And why do you argue more importantly, that on the fourteenth you sound of wonders anniversary of this paper moment? It is finally time to tell a story truthfully. Yes, so it's funny, because this is also the fortieth anniversary the Mayflower it no one argues that we should learn about the Mayflower, because that predates the United States and know that that was an important moment. I would argue that the white line, which was a ship arrived at your earlier carrying enslaved Africans was far more important to the american story. Then one thousand six hundred and twenty than the Mayflower so ahead and get formed, but Virginia was the first colony our institutions would come out of the thirteen colonies, are legal sis our cultural system, our political system and certainly the anti black racism that we still struggle with is born at that moment when you, when you start off in this matter, Does it there's a really beautiful passage in the beginning? When you talk about your personal journey and and how you should

coupled with your relationship with America. As a country and its really beautiful tail. You tell about growing up you know on the land which so many people had died and toiled as as enslaved people. You also talk about how your father was a Proud, american and how you didn't understand how he could be proud to be american when America seemed to be against him in spite of everything that he did. Yes, how did you reconcile little or did working through this? change your view on how to be american all her one, how not to be american absolutely working on the project changed my perspective on my feet Neither am I open it he's talking about how my dad, who was born in apartheid, Mississippi of Flu, this flag and our front yard on this giant, flagpole and he was one of the only black people. I knew who fill a flag,

Their yard- I was deeply embarrassed by that, but, as I started researching for this product, my essay is really about how black Americans have had this pivotal role of actually turning the United States into a democracy. I got that he understood something that I did that no one has a right to take away our citizenship and our rights. To think of ourselves as American, because so much of what a black people have done is what is built this very country that we get to live in today? What are you? What do you mean specifically when you shoulda, because that was that was an idea that I dont think I have fully thought about before I read. This magazine was the concept that America's foundation was alive, in that it. It was a group of promises that, once that one fulfilled in old shoot,

people of color to women in many respects, and and what you arguments magazine is that black people basically have the job of making it a truth. What what? What do you mean by that? Absolutely so in Thomas Jefferson Rights, those famous an english words? We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal. He only two hundred and thirty human beings at that time, cooling some of his own family members- and he understands that one fifth of the Population will enjoy none of those rights and liberties, so we are founded on a hypocrisy on a paradox. A black people read those words and that a we're gonna believe that these words are true and apply to us and fight. Again and again, we see them fighting at the revolution. The first person to die for this country was a black man,

man and Christmas at its who wasn't free. We see that happening with abolitionists movement, largely led by black Americans. We see that happening at the civil war, with the reconstruction amendments and, of course, the civil rights movement which brings the franchise to large segments of America for the first time I shall we we said we were founded as a democratic republic, but most Americans could not vote at the time of the constitution, but thanks largely to resistance of freedom struggles? We are close to a multiracial democracy, as we ve ever been it's. It's really, the full story in that, in that its told not through the lens of anger, but rather through the lens of collecting stories. You know it's, it's the fact that a little a little angry, it. Doesn't it doesn't feel they hang us so much as a faint like untruth, yeah? What what? What it has sparked, though, is, is a fight over history and how they histories told death. You know

once this magazine came out there. There were many historians who, who you know came after you and said no. This is this is incorrect. The primary reason that America sort its independence from Britain was not be. they wanted to maintain slavery. It was because of taxation without representation, it wasn't the primary cause. Why do you think that such a rule, distance to slavery, being one of the primary causes of America breaking away from Britain, because we need to I believe, as a country that our founding was pure, that, yes, we had some troubles, including holding five hundred thousand people in bondage, but their largely we were a nation and found it to be accepted. On these majestic ideas and that our founders, though complicated men, were men who were righteous. But when you argue that are founders were many of them very hypocritical and that you can't just simply overlook the fact that slavery, one

motivation. In some of the colony just taxation was a motivation, but also the ability to keep making a lot of money of human bondage that is very unsettling not just to the average American but to historians who seeing their job, is protecting that founding narrative, the differences you know when your black in this country, you don't have the luxury of pretending that that history didn't exist and what that history has done is really marginalized. Our story when really the story of black people and slavery is central to the United States. When you, when you worked through this project, there are new pieces of information to discover that the restores that you find would never told that need to be told- and I know you can't write about everything, but I was in stood in whether or not you would think that other countries who are involved in slavery get off easier than the United States, because the one thing they do differently America, as we know it, is that they should have outsource slavery. You know, if you think, about what it was

America's or Spain or many of these other colonial nations, their slaves were in countries and then they left those countries. I would like with dunwood slavery, but they also don't have to deal with the people. slave where's America has an interesting relationship where you have to deal with the people, because they are still here so not acknowledged not to feel sorry for America Buddy Think there's also a reckoning that should happen in this way in Europe. Maybe office or other colonial powers need to have a reckoning and reckoning often needs to happen on the continent of Africa, but I think the fundamental differences to yes, slavery occurred in the bounds of the country that would become America rights, but also of those colonial power of America's the only country that was founded on the idea of individual rights in their ready interests that was founded on the idea of God, give it inalienable rights.

Those other european, I mean he's we're monarchies. They weren't founded on idea that every person had equal rights, but we were so that hypocrisy really matters. And, of course I argue that that hypocrisy is why we have struggled so much to get over and address the issue of slavery, because it forces us to acknowledge this lie at our founding before you go one of the main questions many people may have, and you see this unfortunately, all too often is people saying why do you have to keep trudging this up we just move on has been four hundred years caught. We just move on. What are you hope would be sparked by the conversations Come from magazine the delves into slavery like this. What what are you? What you want? Some since at home and says they gonna call, I'm I'm why tonight. I have nothing to do with this, and I don't know what you want me to do. What would you hope people take away? That's a great question. Let me too, for the record? Nobody wants to get over slavery more than black folks.

It's not for our benefit, rightly at the fact that our nation can get over slavery, has not benefited black people for a single day, but that's the problem. We ve never dealt with the harm that was done on forty three years old and my father was born into a Mississippi wear black people could involve black people, couldn't use public facilities. That was all perfectly legal we're not far removed from this past at all, and there has never been any effort to redress that harm. So what I hope that people will take from the gesine. Every single storing the magazine starts with America today and shows how these days is about american life. Did you think are unrelated to slavery. Actually are now hope I confronting that truth. Maybe we can finally start to repair the harm that was done and then finally start to live up to be the country of ideals to Francesco

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