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my guess tonight is an amazing writer at the Atlantic who helped produce Especial commemorated, issue of the magazine called king and look at the life and legacy of Martin Luther King Jr. Please welcome, then you cook, welcome to the shop. They rather movement in a fan of your writing for so long. You touch on so many different topics. You know from black Panther through true he's in America. The second amendment, one of the more interest in conversations that I got started because of your writing was specifically about teachers, being on the New argued that in in its very essence, it goes against this an amendment what why would you make that argument? So Second, amendment is supposed to be this thing that protects people from the government, the Highroad entire ethos of it. Is you get people you give them

guns and you give them gone so they can build a militia to protect themselves against tyranny right, and so you have teachers who are state agents right paid by the state who are taking care of our kids, who have sometimes done bad things, those kids and you're, giving them guns. So it's freshly in Florida. You haven't, I known to use the inward with students and was suspended for doing it. You get that guy got right. What that's that's a radical governments. I never thought of that. Isn't idea of blame, but you know it's it's one of those ideas where people go like this seems like a good idea, because everything leads to more guns. You gonna just get the people more guns and then solves the gun. because if everyone has a gun, then I guess means no. One has a gun. I know how it works. Like my gonna got, give you gonna get better motion because guns: don't kill people right, people kill people, What gives appealing guns? I don't think a gun

a gun has killed, gonna show than a movie wants the gunshot begun the gun, no one talks about gun on gun, violence. You you you. You haven't interesting way of looking at the world and this issue of the Atlantic. I think that looks at Martin Luther king from so many different and through show me different lenses, which I really interesting model is king. one of those figures in America that I've always felt is mythology eyes and often times misunderstood, and it feels like you ve capture that in this article, always upgrading my car now, because I need to because I want to AIDS custom rims from my ride tomorrow, the new drivers sides incursion Ebay motors dot com always has when I need they have got over

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Information is for educational purposes. Only. Why do you think was necessary to have an entire article about Martin Luther King Jr? So what we want to do is challenged people You know what we want people to read every single article in this issue and come away thinking about something new right. Somebody. never thought about something, never even fathoms about doktor king and what that does as a whole is so many times politicians bring up and people who have an agenda bring up doktor king. They quote the dream speech: they they do the same thing. Ok, you want us to live in a color blind society where our kids can go to school together. They quote is one part, but they dont quote the part about him being into Vietnam WAR. They dont say his. His speech is letter from Birmingham jail where he talks about the white moderate and nobody asked themselves and mother white modern right.

Nobody, everybody now is pro king and not racists, but nobody's reading king now for how to be anti racist. It's interesting that you say that, because that there was a specific, article or piece of it that that connect roomy written by you in this, and that was specifically about the idea. of model to the king and his assassination- and you say here in the official story: ultra children. Kings assassination is the transformational tragedy in a victorious struggle to overcome, but in the true accounting Assassination was one of a host of reactionary assaults by a country against the revolution and those assaults where Donna shingly successful. That's an interesting point. If you can people feel like model in being assassinated, was the beginning of the great journey that God people to where they needed to be and you

giving that it ended a revolution that we're starting? How? How do you prove that a? Why do you believe that? So I remember when I was in school and I had a teacher who told me straight up that the civil rights movement was victorious, that we want that we and we want, and what I could never reconcile was. How did we win if doktor king was assassinated while protests and how do we win the civil rights movement? How we, the Tories, if, while protesting for pyre wages for sanitation workers in Memphis, he was assassinated in his power

People's movement was derail, so I always want to revisit that point. So when I wrote that, as I was listening to Nina Simone's song, why the king of love is dead, she writes three days after he was assassinated and she's talking about. Will the country stand or fall she's talking about a country that seemed than on the verge of an apocalypse? And so I really wanted to go back to their moment and see how we get from that moment. Where were you talking about the end of the world, the black community? shambles and tears, and right and unrest and riots and how you go from there here fifty years and say we one has it happen? This part guest is brought to you by Norton three sixty with me flock. If you are enjoying a new device you received over the holidays. Remember that its easy to be unsafe online. Every time you enter private info nation on a new device. You could be leaving

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look at how much progress black people have made since Martin Luther King, surely things have gotten better black people on the up in America? Well, some studies have shown that they may not be the case. So we ve got some studies. Our economic policy and the two that are saying that black wealth back homeownership rates, segregation in schools haven't gone anywhere in fifty years, so so dear and fifty years so so what are we talking about here? We'll talk what we were saying that the gap between blacks and whites now in terms of wealth is just so staggering that its hadn't even build policy climate a gap education has risen, but scarred kids are now in schools. There. S good is a word nineteen, seventy. So what we're talking about? That's that's an interesting point of view and I guess I know a lot of people argue back on that and they'll say well, I mean oh Obama became president van, so I mean that's, that's progress, isn't it a bomb was proof president, eight years in now,

ever have another black present? Will you have another point that is. The question I ask is something that I that I really connected with it. I guess because of South Africa's history and also because it is international women's day. Is this beautiful quote in the in the article, women have been the backbone of the whole civil rights movement. This popular now Some. The civil rights movement too often relies on great men the great men version of history, King Malcolm X, spoken Marshall, stocky com Michael or other names, you know, and it ignores the importance of and who also organise and lead the movement and shows how they contributions have been sidelined? Hidden in plain sight, that is a powerful narrative that many people forget, and that is Credit Scott King wasn't. A psychic. She wasn't just the woman at home. Why do you think it's soil,

to acknowledge these women and what would they instrumental in doing and been many movements? I learned a lot reading that I say from from Jean Deal Harris she was talking about. Coretta credits got king and how Martens development politically came from conversation with correct it, so a lot of what he was doing. Lasorda Mansplain incorrect right. He was out in saying, ok, she was against Vietnam. More years before he wore while she when they were courting each other and in an in when they were still dating, she was one who was sort of giving him these economic ideas, passing him along text about what to re and how to learn and grow? So you look at me. If you look at Coretta credits got came not just as. help me as someone who was an activist in her own right front. You start looking at just all these other women in the movement who did so much Rosa Parks, who was an operative Raton School that she was a tired old lady who sat down. She was

there she built the same organizing structure that actually King relied on. was doing the boycotts, while those are built by black women against sexual assault as Palestine, things as when you look at these stories. How do you think it plays out? Because Martin Luther King exists In a place where some people use him to stage a protest, Others go? We should use them to sell trucks in America ever he's in a different light. If one Luther king were around today from what you have written, what you ve learned like how Happy do you think he would be? Would he think people have reached a mountain top? I think, from reading his thing was never being satisfied with where we are because always space mountaintop,

in that speech? Wasn't the place where we need to be in terms of race. The mountain top was having the vision to see where we needed to go, and I think that vision was that the road is ever everlasting right. The more the universe is is always bending right watch justice and we ve been so I think king would but would be protesting, regardless of whatever situation is on the ground. Right now in America, he'll be protest because that's what he does that's, what an activist does. They are always agitated, and so that's what I want people to take away from the magazine is at his activism was always at agitating, was always moving forward in progressing, and you see in the last year of his life before was assassinated brain. He sat down and thought. How do I move this forward in came for with the most ambitious programme to fight poverty, to fight militarism

fight racism across the globe, and that was king. That was king to an amazing article. Thank you so much for being here. Maybe a special issue now may have magic dot, com, flash and ok to push the copy than you could ever body. The deletion would for no ears additional subscribe to the daily show on Youtube for exclusive content and stream, full episodes anytime

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