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This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
Definitely. My efforts to stories today are completely infuriating in a moment and a few moments I'm going to talk about the latest with the spending interest
sure bill and just the pathetic nature of what's happened and we'll talk about whether at this point, progressive should just vote
oh and do everything they can to kill the bill will get to that. But first I want to start with this.
of Stephen Danziger, the attorney who now is surrendering to prison, and it is an absolutely insane story. If you ve not been following the story, it is just like a perfect exam
bull of so much of what is wrong with so many different systems that we have in the country. So let's read the latest report
from Reuters, Chevron, foe, Danziger surrenders after losing bid to avert prison prince
for the lawyer. Why? Well, let's look? Did
barred lawyer, Stephen Danziger, who was convicted of criminal contempt after a decades long legal battle with Chevron over Rain Forest pollution in Ecuador, surrender
two authorities Wednesday, after losing his bid to stay out of prison. The second you
Circuit Court of appeals. Yeah
a couple days ago denied Danziger request to delay his six month prison term or grant him bail as
challenges his conviction and sentenced to a lawyer, Ronald Coup besetting court documents Wednesday. He surrendered and is in custody
of the federal prison in Danbury, Connecticut quote, it is sadly
typical of the degraded quality of justice, in this case
the only way Mr Danziger could prove he was not. A flight risk was to show up and be imprisoned,
Danziger is appealing his July conviction for criminal contempt and October first sentencing to six months prison by a federal judge in Manhattan. Now. What is this? All about the contempt case stems from post judgment. Orders in us
a case in which another Manhattan judge and twenty fourteen bar
enforcement. In the U S of a night,
point, five billion dollar judgment against Chevron that done
bigger one in an in court. The judge said the ecuadorean judgment had been.
The cured through bribery, fraud and extortion
Danziger, who was disbarred in New York last year, was charged with contempt in twenty nineteen
failing to turn over his computer phones and other electronic devices. Among other conduct than you
present has been home detention since August of twenty nineteen Tuesday seconds
circuit order, also expedite Danziger appeal, so
You have a situation here were Stephen Danziger was fighting this case in Ecuador against one of these big fossil fuel companies and rain forest destruction, and then for what
Many assert and we'll get to this in a moment are political
reasons and the power of corporations. This has all been
please leave flipped and turned around on Danziger who then set guys, I'm not
giving you might stuff, and now he's
held in contempt and now is being sentenced to six months for that contempt. Now it's not.
me saying this sounds wrong
The United Nations has ruled that the
entire Stephen Danziger House arrest, violet,
its international laws. This is from a few weeks ago, close to a month ago.
the? U N human rights body, said
former environmental lawyers house arrest on contempt charges was illegal
and called on the Eu S to release him in this, provide some context,
Stephen Danziger in the early nineties, nineties, sued Texaco on
half of a group of ecuadorean farmers and indigenous people alleging major environmental harms by the energy company. We ve heard those stories many times for decades,
companies have known the environmental damage that they were doing through their fossil fuel business and echo
worrying court ruled in favour of the plaintiffs and twenty eleven an order,
Chevron, which had since acquired Texaco,
hey nine and a half billion dollars. Then
Chevron Counter sued in the United States asking
accusing the lawyer Danziger of bribery and witness tampering, and then
Judge Louis Kaplan, in the U S ruled in chevrons favour and then Danziger was hit with contempt charges during the appeals process when Federal Process
there is in the south. Southern district of New York declined to Prague,
Cute Danziger on the contempt charges the.
judge, took the unusual step of appointing private attorneys. Instead, look at
It is happening here
Riddick live in. One of the attorneys previously worked for a firm
chevron retained, so every
reason to think this is
However, on wanting to get back at an attorney that effectively went after them for the
environmental damage that they did. U S. District
I've found Danziger guilty of contempt in July
in the ruling, but in its ruling the euins Working group on arbitrary detention, key
Danziger attention arbitrary note, noting the
maximum penalty for Danzig, yours charges is actually six months house arrest for two years, without sentencing for
something where you would only at the most serve six months. This
they wrote means Mr Danziger, having been under house arrest since August. Sixty twenty nineteen has all
He served the maximum possible penalty four times over in this,
are the working group recalls that the human rights clause,
has argued if the length of time that the defendant has been detained reaches the length
of the longest sentence that could
imposed for the crimes charge the defendant
should be released, the working,
five international jurists said they were appalled by the case and said the charge
against and detention of Danziger appears to be retaliation for his work
as a legal representative of indigenous communities as he refused to disclose confidential correspondence with his clients
in a very high profile case against multinational business enterprise. This is the worst of the worst of the worst. This is
very clearly retaliation by a company with massive resources, Chevron
Hence the guy they
allege that the settlement he obtained of nine point. Five billion dollars was done through bribery, but they have not proven that understand that the
allegation was well. They only
the settlement by bribing people and fraud and so on and so forth. Its not been proven. They managed to make that case by dumping
legal fees upon legal fees to create a problem for Danziger. They got to a point where he was
the positions in turn over all these documents relief,
take your private dealings with the plaintiffs? He said no
now he's in contempt. There is a maximum sentence of six months for that, but he was held
under Home Confinement House arrest for two years, even though
if found guilty, the maximum possible sentence would have in six months. Every aspect of this stinks
every effort was made to exhaust every legal resource possible, and I believe it was yesterday or the day before. Yes, I think the day before it was decided that yesterday he would term turn himself over to Connecticut.
Prison or institution. The institute of prisons are the board of prisons or whatever it's called in Connecticut for the six months sentence.
other people hadn't heard this story is absolutely and completely bonkers. Ando
I don't think this is the end of it and we're gonna continue covering it.
You all know that I
in general, a pragmatist, I
a sort of real politic realist. I understand
That change often comes in small steps. I dont want to let the perfect become
the enemy of the good, but
It may be time for progressive to kill what is increasingly a guided infrastructure and spend
There is almost nothing left in it.
paid leave has now
fallen out of the democratic package in an urge.
scramble, as described by CNN, to secure centrist democrat
Senator Joe Mansion support. Democrats are expected to scrap,
aid, family and medical leave from their cornerstone, economic and climate pack,
discarding one of the central plank of Joe Biden proposal as they
scrambled to strike a deal with hold out senators, the
and survival has been in question for several days due to objections from Joe Mansion by
initial twelve weak proposal of paid leave with scaled back to four weeks to try to get Joe Mansion support that was rejected,
I'd Kirsten Gibran tried to find a compromise with mansion that didn't work. One of the people said
prompting Democrats to push it out of the package as they seek to scale back the proposal's overall cost and programmes to meet mentions
and mansion made clear. He would not move when asked about the provision saying I just can't do it.
and now as
filming this is about to happen. Joe Biden is expected to announce new social spending, a new social spending framework to try to get every Democrat on board
the steps that we are now talking about the increments that way
are now talk. Talking about are so
small in terms of what's left of this bill, that
we may mostly have a pseudo
slush fund for some projects called infrastructure it'll be cut
did as a political win for the central Democrats. It'll be cool,
indeed, as a political win for Republicans by
having been able to get all sorts of stuff removed and
It's going to be barely anything and I am
essentially ready to say you know
it has some things in it. That makes sense, but the pig, big picture
is now so dire. It's so grim. It's so pathetic that it may be tat
to kill this bill and say hey, you need us progressives for this.
You and your losing us what
has been removed. So far. My best understood you it's actually hard to encapsulate,
everything that's been removed so far for a bunch of it,
reasons, including that there were different bills that contain these things,
Different negotiations pay
family leave seems to be gone
content by two.
three free community college. We already learned
days ago. Last week that's gone at Syria
Is climate regulations gun
expanded, Medicare Eligibility gone. The view
Joint hearing, dental stuff that Joe Biden talked about doesn't seem to be in their prescription. Drug price controls, nope
universal child care plus making permanent the tax credit gone,
some kind of tax to target the
very very, very richest Americans. Not that's, not gonna, be part of this.
bill, apparently either so listen,
get it it this. This is very rare that I say actually
overall because of a mess.
That needs to be set now
thing kind of makes more sense than the scraps that are left. Rarely a my at that point. People who have bought
been following the chauffeur longtime know that, but it may be time with this bill.
because this is going to eat all count as
something was done when it's two percent five
percent not by dollar value, but in terms of the components, five percent of what it was supposed to be done, and
everybody, but the left gets a win. Republicans,
what nothing done while they almost get a win. If this passes, because there's almost nothing left of it, centrists get what they want,
because they have managed to get all of the important stuff for most of the important stuff out of it or scale it down or whatever? So I am,
you're standing. You know that. I note the other shows pretend that the country's way more left than it actually is and all these different stuff. I don't do that here. I feel like one of the things.
try to do is give you an honest and accurate assessment of,
or is the country on a lot of these issues, the country as well to the left of this bill. There is no doubt about it.
and what we have at this point is, I don't
Oh, if the term pyrrhic victory even applies, because I dont know that it's victory even a pyrrhic one. I want to hear from you. Is this something that any
aggressive that has the ability to vote no should be voting no on, because its becomes so endlessly pathetic. Let me
your thoughts. You can find me on Twitter at De Pachmann, we're gonna take a quick break and we have much
more coming up for you today.
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We have a great subsided with nearly thirty five thousand of our viewers and listeners subscribed for free. You can join the discussion at David, Pachmann, dot com, Slash read it! That's our edi deity, a few interesting posts,
spotted this morning that I wanted to discuss with
you today. One asks
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David, Sir. If you read this I'd, like your take, despite it being too early, I just don't
see, Biden running in twenty twenty four he'll be in his eighties, and I think that
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Yet this is me, listen! That's the analysis I made about two months ago and I said, were not yet ready a really talk about this in detail, because there are so many unknown who will be the republican Domini.
Joe Biden running for reelection, if not is Kamel Harris the presumptive nominee, but I've said before most
wrote to me about it agreed. Although a few people were were kind of upset with me, I see it
its trump is the nominee and twenty twenty four
I see. A four
oh Joe Biden, who will have been attacked for four years and will be in his eighties at that point as having a tough time beating Trump a second time if
not Joe Biden and its common Harris. I
see common Harris who remains not particularly popular today. But there is still a lot of time to go. I
He com, a hair, is having a very tough time against Donald Trump and then, if it's not
tromp and its right now
based on polling run dissent, as would be, the most problems
name, although it took its very early, and this is why it's tough to talk about it
I see Rhonda Santas as a more competent version of Trump, who also has a totally plausible chance of
feeding, someone like Joe Biden or Cobble Harris being from Florida could help him with this
data Florida as well. So I share the concern I dont have answers. I'm asking all the same questions as this fewer
I'm coming to so far more or less the same conclusions, and I don't have the answer?
but maybe people in the audience do another post. I spotted asks why,
you support something similar to a vaccine passport but for anti bodies seems like
It would be something the left and right could compromise on, but I don't hear it being proposed from the left. I'm wondering if there are arguments against it or if people are,
even against it. So I guess the question: is
if you could prove you have anti bodies to the corona virus, should that count
being vaccinated anywhere that you need to be vaccinated if you
anti bodies under its it's very complicated? There
two primary problems. I think why
It is an
bodies as measured by typical blood test measure,
only one type of anti body and its only one element of immunity. We still
don't know how does that
number relate to your level of protection.
An ability to spread
verses other types of
the bodies and potential immunity? So that's part, one part two,
there is less consistency about natural anti bodies and how long
they last we don't know
you're, more sick, do you
develop more anti bodies when you recover it all these types of things are still being explored and so well there still very ability in terms of,
and he body development with vaccines.
There is more known and its more uniform and more consistent and decay appears to be more predictable. So I think that those are sort of like the two main issues would sing.
we should have an anti body passport just
do a vaccine pass were also its
diffidently more expensive to test
anti bodies, and it also is much more involved than simply the goat. You get a vaccine, it's free to the end user,
would pay. For you know. Different people have different blood test coverage
through insurance, it starts to get quite quite complicated at last thing, this
the very interesting article that was posted. All of the discussion of the
worker shortage that we ve been seeing its impact,
and to know that
since March of twenty twenty, the. U S has issued. Why
Point two million fewer visas to work
legible foreigners. So a lot of the right wingers and by the way this report is from the Cato Institute, not exactly a left wing publication. Why,
of the reasons right wing
you're saying? Oh, it's PETE Buddha judges, fault, it's Joe Biden, fault, Joe Biden into
The Grinch who stole Christmas because of
ply chain issues in all the stuff. We already know the supply chain
issues were an issue in twenty twenty. Nobody was blaming transportation Secretary Alain Chow back then nobody was really blew.
Tromp. For that now there blaming Biden, Buddha Judge, but the other issues, the? U S has
you'd far fewer
eligible foreigner visa. Since March of twenty twenty partially under the guise of the pandemic, guess
that is a big factor because the U S counts on that labour and it's not being discussed at all, and it should be that
that is eight something right. Wingers may not even know about or may be glad about, because they say these people are
killing our jobs etc? Will that
part of why we're having these supply chain and and labour resource issues right now joined the discussion at David, Pachmann, dot, com, slash, read it
this is really really great stuff? We're going to look at now, Remit
we're trumps legal adviser, John Eastman he's the lawyer who wrote the info
Miss Coup memo with various ideas as to how may be Donald Trump would be able to steal the twenty twenty election
Lauren Windsor. Our friend from the under current, has done it again and has gotten under
cover, video speaking to John Eastman, essentially just bragging about the entire memo, his role and everything. Let's take. Let's just go
right into it. We ve got video
got audio. The video is subtitled, let's just jump right in and see. This is amazing stuff. By the way, this is Lauren pretending to be a trump supporter. She's been doing this
for months and she gets people to put down their garden, say really horrible and damning things. At any rate, we got inside you to go down the capital, and I am delighted that my name in our democracy will be so good. A blowing smoke a people's asses itself, one island where you are, in my view very much. If you really know the words were all godly, while I heard me say while, but, as I said, a good eye catching him coming over the target at my God, I'm a regular. I dont think that anybody in coming, maybe than other than trembling self and biggest importer rather odd argument. I am I doing any lying. So this understand what she's doing she's she's continuing to blow smoke it you know and say
memo with, like your six or eight ways,
the steel, the election? I thought it was totally solid,
and how dare MIKE Pence not actually go forward, not aiming at you mean and illegal reining in I know I know now is now in these latter days ago, already from winning under his and my arguments about mammal that they also had no credibility, amyloid earth. The ammo, like your mean running right, exactly gradually separate I'd, say that right. So, first of all, the idea that may be the memo was sort of like ingest or whatever he seems
I really believe that that was a way to steal the election.
Amy languidly early or evening it only dollar, maybe lying in the mortar like. Why am I doing them as them? How about that ha trot
legal adviser who came up with a way to steal the election sang the reason Pence didn't do it spends his establishment pence depends to a stir,
bullshit? You really do what needed to be done to stab Mulligan ended as very mild. Drawing from doing is destroying the inside monopoly and reviving the Republican Party in the Netherlands, where they are more of a wild and an uprising. That's got in there and he saw it and got ahead of time. They all his sky is a true believer of this idea. That tromp was this big threat to the US
the abolition than he was coming in in doing this. In doing that, and that's why my pants and others didn't did didn't help
prompt. Take the election that if there is
ever a true believer. It's this guy. We have another clip here and it's it's just as crazy. Let's continue watching came down down down again so understand. The question here is
tromp himself did marched to the capital like he said he was going to with that of maybe succeeded in stopping the count on a regular window had already started, and if he got me got down there that I like how he minimizes the insurrectionists coup as the
making of the windows there was a little more going on and breaking windows when they would have had more meaning. I know I know I know said John Sullivan Geiger, basically down again again video alive. So again, this gap,
is how dangerous these people are. We
necessarily know with this Eastman character.
Is he a true believer, or did he get
paid to write a memo like ok, yeah here is like a hypothetical, very hypothetical. This. Nobody,
really going to pay attention to this? No one's gonna believe this. This wouldn't even really work out are now I'll, just write it for you cause I'm getting paid. No, no. No. This
your cover video seems to be making clear. This guy is a true believer. He believe
the anti for conspiracy theories, he believed,
it was actually legally viable to steal the election. The way he outlined in the map. It's it's incredible were his words, another five level instigating within the happy I was so. The riots were anti foot and the FBI guys want evening. I now Ireland ninety down anywhere engaging in violent ringing right where and what he said on his down their peacefully and patriotically your voice, her that's what you actually, what trumpeted was even hours after there had been violent riots, four hours, Trump reluctantly,
did a video where he says it's time to go home, but he mentioned we love you and you're completely justified in being here. I know why you're here it was stolen, etc, but
it's time to go home after just hours of pressure of people. Saying Trump, sir, you got it.
To say something you gotta get get these people home. There's a third part to this interview which, as this
that we're. Recording today show Lauren Windsor has not yet released, but I encourage you to take a look at it when it is incredible stuff and
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quality and value of primary care. Delivery, David
great having you on today,
So you know in the context of Obama CARE, but also, more generally, there's the
discussion of of preventive health care,
idea that it's cheaper to prevent or treat some
early than it is to wait until
becomes more serious. I think that intuitively makes sense to to a lot of people, but that
take sort of a lot of different forms and shapes. One can be. You go in
the doktor every year and they feel around listen to your lungs, etc. That could
include doing regular blood, work, cholesterol, complete blood, cow, etc. Then there's
so other types of screening, starting to do PS, say and pray.
State exams for men at certain ages, coal and mammograms, etc. So, there's all this different stuff. How can
start to kind of categorize these things and think about the impact on people's people's health from them. Well, I think
I would at least what we do here in the research world or another sort of medical care world is
An organisation called the: U S, preventive services task force, and
that's been around for a while, and
What the formal corrected is that what it is
hook, services that are recommended by this group, the? U S, PTSD Earth, as we call and services that are recommended by the by this group, are now four
the covered under pretty much all, were certainly most insurance plant. The people have
so we're talking about some of the things you mentioned there are things like coal and ask of bees and colorectal cancer screening mammography for women aged fifty to seventy four I reckon
vaccinations, etc. So there are many services that have been shown. There is clear
did they can help. People live longer, healthier lives.
and there's been disk
Researchers who has really sifted through the data continues poor, threw it over years and they
these are beneficial services. Other things like, I think,
Screening that I think you may imagine Pierre say task. Even these kind of routine lab test, alot of those services are actually recommended to be done regularly, maybe for some high risk patience, but for your average low risk patients. Some of those services are not recommended by this group. An arm necessarily covered for free through your insurance plants.
yes, so you do. That
is this idea of what is it that were trying to do like with a general health check and one
answer would be well we're trying to diagnose something
earlier in order to control it
and then a subsequent question. I guess would be ok if we do that, are we
improving quality of life for extending life, and- and I guess the answer is not always. Yes, it kind of depends what we're doing right it too
Yes, but I'm again there are a lot of kinds of screenings. We can do a lot of can respect your checks that can be done where again, if you catch it early and there are
the aim of all well known treatments. You can certainly be extending life and quality of life.
the problem? There is that there
you're doing things that are necessarily recommended me back
Ghana could fall arranging things like p? I say TAT could be things like routine last. There is potential for a lot of these false
positives as you or maybe the test find something in it is potentially worrisome and leads to the sort of cascade of testing lots of worry on the part of the patient edition
testing and sometimes also no reasons offered, sometimes for all other mammography that happen. Sometimes so will we
while we try to do so in the research world medical world,
find a balance between whether it
as we heard, I think sometimes when we think about the vaccination to paper for top it. Where are you
potential benefits outweigh the potential harms and again there are several services, certainly colorectal cancer screening being what were. The potential benefits certainly clearly outweigh the potential arms one of the things I read and I be interested in hearing what your research has shown or your take on it. Is that a lot of the things that are done?
on that kind of India, cardio vascular under the cardiovascular umbrella? Don't see
to actually reduce and individuals chance of having a heart attack. What is is, can you tell
about that a little bit? Is that true? What is it even mean to say that
well. What would I, when I certainly can't say, is there someone
bread and butter things we think about most breed. Most ass, they are typically checking
your blood pressure nervously that all hard hunches is that
The Ngos are certainly one of the most important things that can happen in terms of
if I have a problem and getting it under control with many
highly active out
expensive treatments that
help prevent heart attacks, road death and set out.
Other, maybe more exotic kind of tests again
doing a lot of digging doing a lot
have tested, are necessarily recommended again
We were talking about the potential harm. Could I waited potential benefit when we
about the annual physical for a second,
and we have the parts which are a disk
russian, where you might mention symptoms or answer lifestyle questions
And then you have the physical exam with
depending on one's age varies, and then you have here are the blood tests
other things that I want you to do everything but the fish?
the goal exam could be done virtually
What do we, my about three, and what do we know about the importance of the part? That's happening.
Person with the annual physical versus the other and, of course, once you at a certain age in their there's a of Europe, a prostate check that obviously cannot be done virtually
so you're right. A these sort of elements of these visits could be done virtually
What I would also say is that work tomorrow, research has shown ambitious. Research really clearly shows that the physical
examine some. A comprehensive physical is not necessary. One.
Has been shown to be clearly affected. I think you alluded to. There is we're talking about lots of screening flask, but a risk factor checks.
and again, as he said, a lot of that could be done virtually
could be done. Even on can sometimes be a questionnaire on your computer
things like screening for depression stream
problem. Drinking screening for smoking tobacco use,
So much of this is
the screening is, can be done virtually
what were the. I think what was interesting, what we like to learn. What can be done really well virtually what are some good model to do that? First, really, it's really is a lot of work that can be done, but let's say you do find. A patient is depressed. Now
you, don't I screening virtually. How can you connect with them and get them into get recommended care or
the order of things.
Blood pressure screening, if someone's experience that it? Certainly they could be doing it? Perhaps one of these blood pressure,
It could be that could be used at home. That said,
it's, not always so simple, and I think it would be really interesting to see whether the bowels, what were we clearly find
can be done well consistently
home or virtually verses weapons,
to be done in office, and how do we get there?
the division of labour worked out one.
Things that seems like it might make it more difficult to ascertain
sort of health outcomes in health status might be that people who
Do the annual physicals may be folks
there are already more likely to may be make healthier lifestyle choices or maybe even better diet or or or whatever the case may be. Is it p
able to separate that out to really talk about the impact just of the physical and end the the screenings.
So there's nothing. Maybe a couple things emitting there were me again, go first, go back and say this
physical exams himself. We don't really need these comprehensive physical yet as such on his well at these visits,
please check ups as I like to call them up.
times. What we find is the people who are most likely to get these checkup visits are people who have gotten a previously behaviour for that
we found the pit
until benefit isn't as great as people who might be sort of height from higher risk groups and
for those folks who are necessarily as motivated, I was really
heard them just think about getting one of these checkups, but from a from,
irrespective of the healthcare system were or health system
that's where we need to do a little bit better work in terms of identifying those patients and finding ways to get them in finding ways to help them understand the need to come in and the benefits
apple coming in or if it doesn't about coming and doing some sort of a virtual street in Greek meeting them where they are and doing one of these seconds, because that's where I really check up his have
the most people who have been necessary they were connected with the doktor, who might be overdue
preventive services, whether it s cancer, screenings, vaccinations, etc? It's
often mentioned that there
are people who believe that
the reason that a lot of these things are suggested, etc.
Is a desire from medical practitioners to avoid,
lawsuits to say: hey, listen! I do I
did my part. I did everything I'm supposed to do we're going to add stuff in the more stuff we add the more likely it is. I can say I didn't
It malpractice I did everything I was supposed to do in your experience,
how? How valid is that concern or that assertion about the entire preventive care world
certainly not, I would say it is surely not a view that is related to the entire preventive care world has
spoke about a couple minutes ago
when we talk about her
Most insurance plans are going to cover with zero co paper patient and, as a result,
fordable correct we're talking about these high value recommended services that have been screened and earth and are reviewed every few years by the panel of experts, and these
shown to be consistently high value services, not at another.
that we need to strike the right balance. We dont when I come out and say we want people to come and protect us and get some of these recommended high value services, where it's good is that again, their covered with zero coping. Most people are not going to have to spend time to be getting these services, their checkups their camp.
Greetings their vaccination stream for depression, Et Cetera, some of those lower value services. Some of the things that people as you mentioned, might be sort of more sceptical of adding some
Those things there is reasonable scepticism and some of those things that action,
some shoulder isn't good guy you, those but
the typical check up covered by your typical insurance company, we're talking about high value services that have been shown to be effective and again aren't gonna cost people money to be receiving relief,
to this end. I dont know if you can say anything about this at all, and if, if not that's fine, when we talk about the dental cleaning,
and now we're talking about dental health
number one. There's research into
connection between dental health and in general, health, which seems to be pretty compelling and number two. It seems that in
that case were really talking about something with very specific benefits.
where, in all of this, does the dental cleaning every six months and with or without X rays, which I know is a big power source of controversy for some
yeah I am. I don't have much expertise their sole. My research has really focus on dental bidding them much but, as you said, I've heard that
There's a lot of research showing that dent openings or associate, I believe, with good kind of cardiovascular and heart health outcomes, which is quite interesting, probably relates to some issues as as it deals
inside information in the body right army, but also maybe speaks of the fact that, while a bit of housework asylum, sometimes healthcare is in the United States. In that a lot of us, you know
health insurance coverage is separating dental coverage and those aren't maybe Agnes Turley as sort of
Harmonised were as comprehend
as they should be entered in the dental care area. But again,
regular check up sounds. I knows it is something
it is recommended for dental cancer and, as has been shown, to be associated with good overall health outcomes,
a very, very interesting we ve been speaking with David List, whose health services researcher at Northwestern University, he conducts research to improve the quality and value of primary care. Delivery, really appreciate your time and sharing your insides David Andrews pleasure.
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been to the paternity leave debate now. I've both to eat
and get into this. I think it's important to mention that
the recent hubbub about Secretary of Transportation, PETE Buddha judges paternity leave. It's not even
necessarily about paternity leave
There is a homophobic aspect of this, which is the feminist nation of a gay man, like PETE Buddha Judge, taking paternity leave, which really should be for moms. It's really for women. Has he been learning,
to breastfeed, Tucker Karlsson, said feminine
using a gay man. So there's a good there's, a homophobic aspect to it. That's that's one piece of it. There's a
their piece of it, which, for some people it is political opportunism which is under Trump
the Republicans weren't blaming Trump for the supply shortages that we had early during the pandemic under Trump.
blackens weren't blood, blaming trumps Secretary of Transportation, Alain Chow. Now
Those very same Republicans are blaming Joe Biden and blaming PETE Buddha judge so for some its political opportunism
then, there is also an aspect of this which kind of feels more psychological: either
Like a my dad wasn't around when I was little so there should. Nobody should get paternity leave kind of like a by can't play in the sandbox, I'm in a poop in and shut the whole thing down or also.
kind of a
Two Quaid tropes of it being feminine too
take time off when you had a kid rights, so there's a lot of different motivations for different people.
The latest is Joe Rogan a wing in on this.
During an interview he did with a Brigitte Brigitte fantasy, fit potassium
Exactly sure how her last name is colonel, I believe she's, a comedian,
and again they get into this issue of
Turning to leave
take a lesson and then we will discuss
Are you crazy people adjudged during this whole time is on paternity leave and yes,
what they mean as during the supply shortages that we're having good this entire time. Pete Buddha judges on paternity leave to go, listen, man, I understand, is hard to raise a child, but is not supposed to be for the person who gave birth,
crazy, yeah right or now over. Seventy ships containing five hundred thousand containers are waiting off shore. Five hundred, when he was rang, know those ships p
Buddha Judge, doesnt control those ships, PETE Buddha judges, one guy comes
three hundred thirty million people. Even if you believe that it's the Department of Transportation that controls those ships there is adapt.
Secretary of Transportation and an under,
granary of transportation. The idea that it's because p is holding a baby instead of a fire.
Even though he is actually been participating in meetings anyway. The ships
stock it's it's such a silly childish idea at length as negative feedback loop that is rapidly cycling. I control that if it continues unabated will destroy the global economy and, like that's a nice hundredth, lied and their local yeah
so it's complicated, but I do know the tracking stuff has something to do with it too, because there is already problems with truckers. They kind of abandoned. California was Lord two years ago, the civilisation of vote. The data they use are watching truck. Is their nationals geneticists recover ships to those indicted last week? Why are there so many, because there
This is why that's why I'm here, because there are other affording around her waiting to find space to come into their to go, wait and they can kind of get in there, like you said, if there's always seven out of hundreds of cranes, emptying them they're waiting its nights, it's nice
and that's why you Jim, buy toys and its also affecting small businesses out to get us to the point here is their blaming PETE Buddha judge for this, and
isn't it women that are supposed to take leave when there's a kid bore, not the man now, interestingly Spotify for which
you know Joe Rogan now licences is show works for Spotify used use whatever term. You want a big
Six months of leave regardless of gender, which is which is interesting at the other
thing about this. Actually, let's look at. Let's look at one more clip because I have some other thoughts but the relevant to this next part.
questioning white who do you believe, should pay for sometime ground all. But if I was an employer,
I had a euro area. I oughta guy work for me. You wanna take three months off because his wife gave birth. I d like what are you talking about MIKE,
Learn to live, give birth to support his wife. I pay for free
to understand those most people. When this happy
If they make enough money, the wife will not work in the father will were right. Now that might
The man makes more money. I have
ends where the wife is a doctor.
And makes more money. I have friends, were the
if, as the lawyer and makes more money and it
really doesn't make sense. What you'll Rogan is actually saying.
so even that already is based on a whole. This is just
sickly, its assent.
When you assume
yeah, you got you guys know. The thing. Ok are
and then the wife's waistcoat a child- and this is normal yet and there
normal. What does that mean? These are such loaded terms, and unfortunately this was not you. I think if someone else was speaking to Joe Rogan about this
what you mean normal. Do you mean it's historically typical based on
Something that started during an era where
often women didn't work at all and were less
located than men, which has been completely reversed at this point in the EU with its it's, this very kind of like nineteen fifties thinking that's not really relevant.
The dad provide support when it comes on. If you're saying that the man and the woman should both
Like three months of this is a new thing: yeah right, new isn't bad now, like that's, also fallacious.
Continuing to do something. The way it used to be done.
is not an argument. The fact that
used to be a different way is not actually an argument and are not now in Europe, but we're not in Europe. This is better, and so then, then we add in this idea of in you
up the men are famine eyes. Their sissy man here in the United States were manly, so it's like their hitting all the different troops here now I want to introduce a different kind of question into this.
No there's this movement
Haldeman's rights activists. Now there are people who
believe some of the things men, rights activists believe and they're, not actually men's rights activist. I think it's important say they just kind of gravitate
words the ideology in some areas, but there's
his whole movement, which is about complaining women.
preferential treatment on everything in the United States, men get the shaft when it comes
at the shaft and women get preferential treatment when it comes to police interactions, around domestic violence, women get preferential,
treatment and men get the shot you all this different stuff. You would think that they would
saying, hey, you know what this is great
women have gotten the preferential treatment on maternity leave at all or paid maternity leave now were equalising it
the men aren't gonna get the shaft anymore, but that's not the perspective of many of
those very same people. So just it's all. Stereotypical tropes, the Europeans as the sissy girly men,
real men don't need time off in the? U S: medical
work and then I'll come home and then hold the baby or whatever it is very antiquated stuff and then the other thing again. The context of blaming people.
Judge country, a three hundred and thirty million people? The idea
everything depends on one guy whose home, with his kids. These issues started under Trump, no one blamed transportation,
secretary under Trump Alain Chow, it's pathetic last possible angle. Is it possible
There are people that are worked up about this, whose dad's
weren't around when they were kids their day?
didn't have any paternity.
You ve never mind paid paternity leave,
and their transferring that into the same type of thing were seen with student loans. Listen, I had to pay my student loans, so we should
forgive them for anybody. Listen!
my dad wasn't around when I was a kid, so there should
paternity leave now is. There may be that psychological element, that's affecting some people's view on this as well. I'm not talking about your Rogan have no idea his family history,
these are general questions that that I have. I be curious to hear your thoughts
It's been a headline floating around over the last twenty four hours that
republican Senator TED crews defended
giving Nazi salutes at school board meetings. Now, that's not
true. I'm going to tell you right now,
that is not actually what TED crews did
TED crews did is, is horrible and play it for you, but it would not
be accurate, that TED crews defends Nazi salutes. What TED crews did defend is the food,
act that parents doing Nazi salutes at school board. Meetings is protected by the fur,
amendment. Now I think it was still very stupid to do
and it also is theoretic
something which could lead to an investigation depending on circumstances, but that's actually kind of a second or third layers. Let's talk about what what's going on the daily, this beast headline is TED Coups D
his parents, doing Nazi salute at School board meetings. Maybe yummy
he'd. He certainly doesn't defended the salute. Ok, do
a fiery Senate Judiciary Committee on ones that hearing on Wednesday TED crews at one point defended parents throwing up Nazi salute scoop of school board meetings as protected by the first amendment,
oh god, I'm crews, along with other Republicans, land based
the attorney general merit Garland for directing the Justice Department,
to investigate the rise in violent threats against educators-
now. Remember the
National School Board Association.
is the organisation that asked that the school board protests at least
be considered under the guise of domestic terrorism. That was not what the Department of Justice
FBI merit Garland ass. They were asked to do that
That's really really important! So we're gonna play the clip and we'll talk about
implications and indifferent things here so, but listen very carefully to the language that's being used. I did a quick
just sitting here during
hearing, I counted twenty incidents cited of the twenty
fifteen on their face or non violent. They involve things like.
salt. They evolve a nazi salute. That's one of the examples. My god
it did not see saluted the school board because we thought that the policies where oppressive general Garland
doing a Nazi salute and elected officials that protected by the first amendment. Yes, it is ok, so I think
We should be careful with our language, and so all the headline saying TED Crews defends or supports Nazi salutes he's. Do
something horrible in this clip buddy he's not actually doing that. What TED cruises saying is first of all, a Nazi salute is speech protected by the first amendment. That's true
Now the first amendment doesn't insulate you from the report.
oceans to that speech, so
crews is correct, saying that a nazi salute is protected.
speech and garland agreed, that's not actually the controversy, that's a fake part of the car,
traversing. No one is saying a Nazi salute is not protected by the first amendment.
Crews is using all of this to go to this
idea that me,
Garland told the Department of Justice to investigate parents doing nazi salutes as domestic terrorists.
Number one, not true and number two
It's a red Herring merit Garland correctly
explains later in the hearing
the National School Board Association wrote us a memo.
Saying consider whether some of these actions at school board me
My parents are domestic terrorism. That's what the national sphere
Abort Association, asked to have happened
it was not something merit Garland directed, but let's go to the next and maybe more interesting thing just because something is protected speech
doesn't mean it can't be grounds for an investigation, its
now. Imagine that I say
the school board meeting.
I've got a dead body in my basement, captured just to come up with something, and then I leave me
What I said is, I guess, protected by the first amendment. In other words, a state run school, I'm allowed
Speak the school can't sensor me whatever, but you could stay.
Then hear what I said and say: oh wow, we
gotta now investigate you because of that
content of what you said. I was able to speak
My ability to speak was not curtailed by school. The school, which, I guess you could say, is state government, but what I said can still have consequences.
And along the same lines with
getting into the specifics of a Nazi salute or whatever the things that parents say,
at school board meetings could
to be used as the basis for investigations, whether its investigations into domestic terrorism, whether apparent
in talking about you know, I'm
hence masks like I slap my kid around at home when they do something wrong, but I'm not gonna put a mask on well protected.
I could hear that and say: ok, you were allowed to say your piece, but we now we're gonna use the content of what you said to launch an investigation, as you say in your smacking, your kid around. So these are like too
three four different issues. The lessons here are maybe not
to use nazi salutes of examples of things that should be defended it it no matter what you know. Maybe tat. Crews can pick other examples and make sure to look at the video, because, really, I think, is an exaggeration to say tat. Crews defended the salute he was trying to.
the point about its protection under
the first amendment about which he is right and then
into all sorts of other things that don't make sense. Let me know your thoughts about the segment
We have a voice mail number. That number is too one: nine to David P. Here's a
piracy theory that
the Alec Baldwin shooting was a false flag. Met to cross cut to confiscate guns
It is true man, the entire intellectual travel,
happened with Alec Baldwin. The parties can be said. Is that
that gun was planted with the real bullet planted still there,
very conspiratorial language. The left has an excuse
Isn T J C. We need to take action.
He's on the guns? We need
to regulate, we need
on the population of these guns
I should mention that in your discussion, because there is
Absolutely, no evidence to suggest that this is the exact same argument that some made about the Sandy hook school shooting when
Obama was president. It was state
in order to have a big national tragedy to then subsidy.
we try to confiscate guns. What's pathetic is even after the sandy hook, shooting we.
Even get universal background checks, pass nevermind, confiscating any guns, and the reason I haven't mentioned at Troll man is that there is now
No reason whatsoever to believe that that's what took place we ve got it.
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