So many of you will remember that I've been giving good news about declining Colbert cases on the show in the United States dating back to really the first few days of September. I have also been saying since late October, that decline starting to slow down, and then we got too well. The cases are now flat. There no longer declining, we don't know if this is uninfected point and cases will start going back up or if they ll stay flat or if they continue on down. We don't know what will happen heading into winter. We now have a modest but clear trend, which is there cases in the United States are going back up and in

act. They ve been on the upswing since roughly Halloween so close to a couple of weeks, and cases are now in the United States. Just shy of about ten percent per day we had gotten down to seventy one thousand cases a day which is crazy to think that, while what we had a huge decline down to seven one thousand cases a day that is now back up to seventy seven thousand cases today, and this is really really not good. Now, if we were at the point, or cases no longer met deaths either, because enough vaccination has taken place where most folks are protected against serious illness and death or because of a less deadly strain that has evolved. This wouldn't be as bad, but those things have happened yet and so far deaths have been following cases by about three to four weeks and just as we saw cases stop there.

Klein three to four weeks ago, deaths are now flat. Deaths are no longer declining their stuck at about eleven hundred covert deaths per day in the United States. So there is, every possibility that we are at the beginning of a new spike and essentially very ugly winter now, maybe not, maybe not we dont really know yet, but the case increase has started and the death decline has stopped now often as we ve seen throughout the pandemic. What happens in the United States follows what happens in other parts of the world part the reason for that is that many of the spikes are caused by variants, which we first observe in other parts of the world like Europe. So far, the global numbers are not looking particularly auspicious for the United States over the neck three months cases around the world are even more than in the United States. Globally cases had bottomed, back, they'd bottomed out at four

hundred and three thousand cases a day. Globally. Cases are now up to four hundred and seventy two thousand case the day. So while in the U S, cases are up nine or ten percent globally cases are up about seventeen percent. That's not a great signal for what is to come here as far as global deaths. Those are slightly up. The global death said bottomed out around sixty six hundred a day deaths are now back up to seventy one hundred a day around the world. That's an increase of about six or seven percent. So if there is any Good NEWS to point two, and even this you'll see why it's not even that great weaken point to pay vaccinations, every day are now climbing. In the United States, there not incredible numbers. Looking at the graph on the screen watching today. You might see that daily vaccinations really bottomed out in MID July and then as Delta, surged and discussion of Delta searched vaccinations. Also,

the increase. In late July, we were down to about five hundred and fifty thousand doses a day that has climbed and climbed. Almost pulling and were now doing over the last week about one point: three million doses per day. Unfortunately- and this is just horrible- the not so good thing is that the increased doses per day significantly driven by people who already have two doses: getting a third dough. So you're not vaccinating that many new people, if you asked the question how many new people are getting vaccinated its each day? It might only be a couple hundred thousand two, maybe three hundred thousand. Sadly, I mean it's good that people are getting third doses and more protection, but a huge portion of the daily doses today are people getting a third dose good for those people not so

good for the population at large, now that five to eleven year old can start to get vaccinated in the. U S, we do expect the number of kids, with one dose in that age group to be at roughly a million right now about a million kids have already gotten vaccinated, that's good, but the missing Mason continues to kill people. We have a report from Colorado from CBS Denver which says that courting to a collar out. Oh, I see you nurse. There are many covert patients there in the icy you with covert. They don't believe the virus is real. They believe the hospital made them sick and in some cases they call all the nurses murderers, so that's very bad We will see what things look like by Thanksgiving. I've started to get questions from from some of you about what is my Thanksgiving plan from the standpoint of medical from the stand of covert, I'm going to be doing attesting thanksgiving. So it's going to be maybe

door, maybe be indoor depending on the weather, everybody will be tested and I've interviewed the everybody will be vaccinated and tested when we interviewed Vincent RACK and Yellow from Columbia University- and I said to him, Sir, is this fool proof if people get a test right as there going in is there any way you might be in Cuba aiding and contagious but negative? And he basically said, if you're, using the test for a few hours gathering its essentials foolproof in the sense that this was what he said, if you are in Cuba, aiding the virus and you dont yet have symptoms and you test negative you're, almost certainly not contagious for the next few hours. So what you wouldn't want to do because of this possibility that you ve been infected your incubating, but you don't get test positive, don't use a tab. Just as justification to hang out for a week without doing any more testing, because then you might turn positive and turn contagious, but if you're

with a few. Our gathering, Vincent RACK and yellow, was confident that if ever he has a negative test. Everybody's gonna be not contagious, at least for a few hours. So that's my plan for Thanksgiving I'm curious to hear about yours, you know. I have not spoken much recently on the pod cast and the broadcast because about the Kyle Rittenhouse trial because we ve been covering essentially the full trial every day on Facebook and Youtube, not on twitch because were banned from twitch for thirty days, so I've just been getting so much I haven't commented, but I do want to talk about it a little bit today over the last twenty four hours. The Kyle Rittenhouse case in Canosa Wisconsin, it's the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse, who is accused of when he was seventeen last year, homicide against to India. Jewels that he killed as well as miscellaneous other charges related to guns and and other things. This is a trial where the defence has now taken over the defence called Kyle written House to the stand

as a witness and the prosecution was able to cross examined Kyle Rittenhouse yesterday? This has now led to a call for a mistrial by the defence, so Let's look at one article about this and then we're gonna. Look at a video, because the judge flipped out yesterday. This getting a lot of attention because it has become quite wacky. The Kyle Rittenhouse cases now in jeopardy, as lawyers seek a mistrial trial judge, accuses prosecutor of improper line of questioning. What has taken place is that the defence has asked for a mistrial on two basis. The first is that, at the beginning of his cross examination of Kyle Rittenhouse, the prosecutor sought to ask Kyle Rittenhouse about not

making a comprehensive public statement about what he believes happened. The judge felt that this was trying to use written houses silence against him, which would be a violation of the fifth amendment. Ok, that's one basis on which the defence wants a mistrial the other basis, and that, if on which the defence wants a mistrial is that they say the prosecutor question written house about things which the judge had already said. Should not be brought up that did did this is a basic summary of the reasoning for the defences requests for a mistrial, the judges. Considering that request, the defence wants a mistrial with prejudice, meaning that that's it that the case can't be restarted. A new case can't be restarted against Kyle Rittenhouse. That would be wild if that took place? I also want to play for your video when this was being discussed of the judge. Sort of flipping out on the prosecutor. Take a look at this

in the questions? I asked the court to strongly admonish him and the next time it happens, I'll be asking for a mistrial with prejudice, he's an experienced attorney and he knows better. Mr restore your honour. This was the subject of emotion, I'm well aware of them, and the court left the door open for me not for you My understanding of your should have come in for a for reconsideration. You did on one motion and in fact I granted your motion for a resolution that I am not I I didn't we do not reject the notion that we have not found any motions to reconsider. His case was their motions reconsideration, which aided by I said, I denied it.

right indicate a bias towards denial is what I did held an open with a biased towards denial. Why would you think that that made it ok for you without any advance notice, to bring this matter before the jury You are already your. I was astonished when you began your examination by commenting on the defendants, post, arrest, silence this The boy smitten based upon this country for forty fifty years. I am why you would do something like that, so As many have noticed, the judge seems to only bring this level of energy against the prosecution. There have been a whole bunch of questions raised about this judge and wasn't that if the judge is biased than theirs, gotta, be the possibility of an appeal put in theory. Although prosecution, appeals and Jerry verdicts are very, very tough, I want it just gonna give my general take on this case. This point in time because I'm getting a lot of emails from people saying David you. This is obviously Self Defense David.

and he Whitey now says it was self defense. I dont know what he Whitey has said to be clear and distinct. People are telling me that that's what Tt Whitey has said. Let me make my position on this case very, very clear. I believe that guy Written houses. Self defense from a legal perspective is going to be valid enough ploy, visible enough in the immediate situation in which he shot the two people that he killed? Ah, that he will be found not guilty. I believe that it is a plus I believe it may be quite true that he feared for his life. In that moment, which is what is on trial? Ok, so I'm not saying of this. You know he's obviously guilty. It obviously wasn't self defense. I think that from a legal standpoint, self too, it's gonna be valid enough, based on the fact that not guilty will be the verdict there. I also believe that the entire context here is a disgusting context. He had no business going to canosa

being armed that night, the totality of the incident is nauseating and the fact that, if he's convicted, he will be considered a martyr by the right. If he is acquitted, he will be made a hero by the right for the fact that he was there with a gun defending himself. When the truth is that this case is emblematic of everything wrong with american culture. Around guns, masculinity, vigilante justice, etc, etc. Now you can break down each part and say well: ok, in general, just the map a seventeen year old being familiar with guns is not inherently wrong or immoral. In theory, protecting property while holding a gun, it's not I mean you know, would we feel differently as a viewer emailed me if this was someone protecting a black owned business with a gun from Kay

Hey K, looters or something like that. Most progressive, zip, We say, though, that it's ok that that's being done, and if you do this, you certainly can make the case that there is particular one smoking gun, but this is a symptom of toxic, underlying conditions, gun culture, vigilante, culture, etc, and that is different than should. He be found guilty. That's not a crime! What I just said, so, let's not mistake, each other's beliefs, about this and for the people emailing me sit sing David you're, so wrong for saying that he should be found guilty spur the jury to decide, and I believe that the evidence for the narrow circumstances at issue, in the case self defence

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your posts from this morning. I'm sorry read it posts, read it posts, you can join the discussion at David, Pachmann, Dotcom, slash read it more than thirty. Three thousand of our viewers and listeners are currently subscribed to read it. Few interesting points that caught my eye home lander posted lie about a vaccination status is way worse than kneeling for the national anthem. Let's watch all right, wingers that cancelled call in Capper Nick CALL Aaron Rodgers did patriotic yeah. I mean listen if you, obviously, if you believe, The pandemic is real and you believe that accedes are something that prevents you statistically from getting really sick or dying from the virus and all of that stuff. If you stand reality. You would. You would have to agree with the statement that what Errand Roger

did claiming to be immunized when he's not putting teammates at risk. It is obviously far worse than when calling Capron kneeled during the national anthem. The problem is that many he's right, wingers and Trump eons living in turn it reality. Where the pandemic isn't real, or at least it's not serious and vaccines are bad and the worst you can do is something culture, like Neil during the national anthem, so you and I agree on this, but the folks that are in this alternate reality. Don't there was also an interesting post asking Who is winning on the vaccine issue politically? Is it Democrats or is it Republicans now the people from red who voted in the pool by about a set of four a three two one about seventy five. Twenty five margin said that Democrats are winning on the vaccine issue ideologically? The problem with this is that

the winning would be not dying from the virus and unfortunately, there are people across the political act who are dying from the virus because, in part of the anti vaccine propaganda that's being spread. Now that being said earlier this week we looked at the numbers. The cumulative covert death rate in Trump counties is now about fifty percent higher then the cumulative covert death rate in Biden counties even within the Biden counties. It would stand to reason since the Republicans or the most on vaccinated that even we then Biden counties it's more Republicans dying than Democrats, so it is becoming partisan and if you consider dying, from the virus. Losing, as increasingly republicans, are then that is a way in which Democrats are winning on the virus, but on vaccination rather, but we

aren't going to get out of this in any serious way until more people or on board and until more people are vaccinated, and so, unfortunately, as a country, we ve lost a lot. We ve lost a lot and we can point fingers accurately as I've been doing, but what I want to get too is the end of the pandemic and remember, the end of the pandemic is right likely to be covered becoming endemic and a certain level of cases and deaths. Much like with flu. That are not going to go away at least three years at least for a year or so. who, who is really winning, feel we ve all lost a lot over the last year and a half of this pandemic, one other post from the sub read it a user is asking for medical advice and says: can someone shouted Joe Rogan and see if he would consult with me about me about colonoscopies

hi, I'm twenty three and highly lactose intolerant. Can someone ass Joe Rogan? If it's too early to start getting colonists copies, is Joe taking appointments? I'd prefer his expert view on my call and how things so. Obviously this is a reference to the fact that now we ve heard that and I fell, quarterback Aaron Rodgers took medical advice. From Joe Rogan and enlightened centrist, political commentator, TIM Pool took covert advice from Joe Rogan, listen as I said before, I don't think there is anything wrong with talking to people. You know about their experience with the disease. If you are diagnosed with a form of cancer, it would be, totally reasonable to go talk to a doctor and to get a second opinion and do all of those things and if you had a friend who had had or has that type of cancer, it's totally reasonable to go into hey what were the side effects of the course of treatment you chose. How did you feel

How did this work? What was your doctors recommendation that that makes perfect sense, but when we start taking anecdotal advice from non medical professionals about things where we have The data things like I ever and others that's one thing sort of seem to go off the rails, so listen how can a friends about their experiences with the disease or medications totally reasonable, but the degree which Aaron Rodgers seriously said. Well, let me listen. I took advice from Jerome on what to do starts to get a little weird starts to get a little cottage almost joined the discussion at David Pachmann, Dotcom, Slash, read it. I have a story for you today. That is really to stories coming together story. One is the story of Dishonest Fox NEWS, graphics and charts story too.

who is about labour force? Conspiracy theories, which we ve talked about before and the graphic in question here, is one that Fox NEWS put up on the screen yesterday- to try to make Joe Biden look bad, which simply says the Eric and Workforce Trump peek a hundred and sixty four million people working Biden last month only a hundred and sixty one million people working making the point that there are report one million fewer people the workforce as of last month, Thunder Joe Biden, then at the peak during Donald Trump administration. Now I hope that by now people who had them, watching the show listening to the show for awhile no at least two reasons why this is so deceptive, but the labour force stuff

is really frequently used by the right to attack Democrats or I think it's important to talk about all of it. So, first of all, without knowing anything about how the Labour force participation rate or labour force participation numbers a quantified calculus without knowing anything at all. You should be suspicious as soon as you see the Trump peak compared with last month. This is called cherry picking of data. The data for the Trump peak is December of twenty nineteen, they picked that number, instead of the number at the end of Donald Trump Presidency. Why? Well? Because the labour force has grown since Donald Trump left office. If you compare the end of trumps term to right now you would have to say, the labour force has grown under Joe Biden. So they pick December of twenty nine. Now to that end, why

Has the labour force been all over? The place has been because of the pandemic and that still not over. So even at the top level, a comparison over the last couple years of the Labour force participation of dubious value, it's a unique it's a different, time in american history because of the pandemic. So, yes, Fox NEWS is being really deceptive, their cherry picking their Lee. out. Information there of viewers are mostly clueless they season. They say, oh, my god. What a disaster Biden has been, but there even more instructive stuff here, the labour participation rate in general is in a good indicator. Of how the economy is doing and in fact, in a good economy, the labour participation rate the number of people out of the labour force can go down which, sir, what? How is that possible? This is how it's possible. The labour force participation rate is a measure of economies. Active work for

So it's when we talk about there's a hundred and sixty one million or a hundred and sixty four peep million people in the labour force. We are saying this is the sum total of all workers employed or seeking employment. Remember the weights, measured if you're unemployed, but looking for work you're in the labour force. If you stop looking for work, you're out of the labour force but if you retire you're out of the workforce, if you're, twenty and in college full time you're out of the Workforce- and you reduce the labour participation rate, so think about that really think about it. If you have a bad economy, there are people who would love to retire, but they can afford to so they need a job. So they get one. The labour participation rate has just gone up But it's because the economy is bad. That someone who would like to be retired has gotten a job. Ok, if the

Not is bad a college student might have to drop out of school and get a job to help them Emily, so the economy being bad, has increased the labour participation rate by forcing a college student to go and get a job. That's not a good statistic by itself to tell us how the economy is doing or whether a precedent is doing a good job. If we just went up nothing about the opposite. Wages went up and economy did well you, see more people say great. I can. retire up. Labour participation rate goes down because the economy is good one last thing- and this is like a systemic thing about these numbers- the population of the United States is increasing overtime. It's very common that at any given time the number of peace

but working is at a record high and the number of people not working is also at a record high, so think about that for a second in twenty ten, The population of the United States was three hundred and eight million in twenty tat. Ok, let's just make numbers really easy forget about the fact that children are considered in the rate just make a fifty fifty hundred and eight million people. So in twenty ten you could have had a hundred and fifty million people working in a hundred and fifty four in people not working. It were ignoring Kay and people not counted so in twenty ten, you could say breaking record number of people. Working and you'd be right and at the same time you could say break King record number of people not working, and you would be right. Then we get two thousand twenty one. We now have three hundred and thirty million people in the United States make it fifty fifty ok, we now have. We could have a hundred and six.

Five million people working, that's a record and a hundred and sixty five million people not working, that's a record to so. I hope that this shows how useless these numbers can be the population keeps increasing in the country anyway. So don't fall for this stuff, don't fall for the stuff, be informed and will have the Rafik if you just listening today, will put the graphic up on our instagram, which you can find at David. Pachmann show. I love growing my own food at home. Many of you have seen my gardening stuff on my instagram. I get great tips from the audio and one of our sponsors is lettuce grow, which is by far the easiest way to grow your own food at home. The lettuce grow farm stand is a hydroponic unit. that waters and fertilizers itself. You can grow more than two hundred varieties of fruits and vegetables at home indoors or outdoors. I lie

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promo code pachmann. The link is in the podcast notes. Today, working be speaking with Emily Broad leave, who is a clinical professor of law and faculty director for Harvard LAW, schools, food law and policy clinic. it's so great having you on today, Emily really appreciated thanks, I'm so glad to be here so I mean look Let's just start with a little history of many of us are familiar with with food labels in general and also expiration date best buy, sell by etc. What's the sort of history, that when did it start? Why did it start? So we see an kind of this modern landscape of you know, these labels on most food products really taking shape and seven news, and at that time it was really a consumers were pushing companies and saying- that would they wanted to know about the freshness of their products answer you have you think about where we were at that time it was sort of starting after like pose world war. Two.

People are getting more you no further away where their food is produced, buying more things in the grocery store, and you know, people side of our not part of the farm and getting it directly from a farm. How I know how fresh it is right. and that's when we saw a lot of activity in terms of voluntary use of these labels on the part of companies. Now there was also in that period of time and like the twenty years preceding the seventies, there was a move away from most of the things that the grocery store are ingredients to really like the food product, write, something that that's manufactured and sent that at the end. Is that also part of why we stir to see those markings that, like with a banana by Looking at it, you can mostly tell what is the status of this banana, whereas with some of these products it might be less clear, that's how they so you, Know- and I think even today, in fact where do now, where there's Pratt their labels, Amado

it's a lot of states require them, but is primarily on package foods, because I think, there's a sense that banana an apple in our food a food that you can pick up and hauled in that sort of in its raw and that people can make their own judgments about how fresh it is and how spoil how close to being spoiled and an israeli pact it that you see these labels on, because people dont really now they they can't open it up in the store and smiling and rice debt. So there's best if used by their self by there's a straight up expiration date. That sometimes, is there these things presumably mean different things right, one would think save ass round. The biggest issues is that consumers have the look at them and think these labels must be telling me different things, but in fact an you know most there's no law that really regulates what those different terms mean. There's no am

No there's no law defining sell by as compared to use by our expire as on right now, in fact, there's no A law regulating daily was at all, so the federal government, with the very small section of infant formula, has not required anything and then in the states that have a ornaments, they use them very interchangeably am citing that's why the places where we got really interested, because consumers are misled, the that they think that their you know that their seeing to different levels, in that they mean something different, but there's not there's any evidence that that's the case, but also so bumming. If I see as the common man, if I see sell by it, suggests to me it should be sold by that date, but it still pretty good for some period of time beyond that best, if used by says it? It should to me it

be consumed by that day, but you're saying it's not actually does not actually an infrastructure that guarantees that that's what I'm being told yeah, that's hardly right an ill as we talk about why how this can be facts, I do think there is a piece of drawing on what consumers that very in your address now reducing the number of labels and really drawing on like what consumers are readier understanding, but just making that the case so that consumers are and in iron being confused about it With something like gum, I mean what, when I first really started thinking about the value of some of these labels is when I saw, for example, in expiration date on salt, and you know it when we think about salt. It's like salt. round for billions of years is the sort of naturally occurring? What does it mean if salt expires? What does that have any meaning at all. Why does salt expire at vinegar. Similarly It rightly turn in a girl now it vinegar and some other bang Bang

cold water on. I think people are true, to deal with those cognitive dissonance by making up the reason that the label, so I hear people, say a lot of the lake, on bottled water is like when the plastic is going The leech into the water me that, as there is no that is not happening or if it is the date, is not the data which that have and I'm going to write that there are a lot of food products that it does it it doesn't she very clear why a label a date label would be needed on them, except that consumers have just come to expect them on so many products and in I've actually talk to people who have said one pick something up at the store that doesn't have a daily bonnet. I'm not sure what to do, and so you know again. I think I am in some of our early work. Without will, maybe we should just remove the label on food where it really meaningless and I think a lot of we cannot push back from consumer groups on mass over really thinking. How can we take what we have a big

work better and make it a line better and be last misleading. You know knowing that in some cases, we are where we are we can complete over how the system, the em, if we no apply like a corporate profit motive to this, One could imagine you could have foods that are safe, for much longer than the date say, but be. The manufacturer is worried. There could be reputational damage because it might not taste quite as good or whatever the case may be. How much of that is a factor in these labels? Yeah I mean that is it's a really big factor, especially if you think about where we are right now, which has some states require gates on certain foods. There's a play, I just huge variation in what food states require labels on and then what you can do after the label.

So that leaves a live up to the manufacturer as far as like what word to use the science but our if there is any signs by and how their setting that date and, of course for companies, they want you to either food when it's gonna take the best right, so long, even more cynical version that people say a lot is, you know, is it that they just want you to throw it away, by more, and I don't think, there's necessarily evidence of that. There is evidence of companies would say this outright that they want to say a label when their product- will taste the best and they want to leave some wiggle room for the fact that you might not what your yogurt in the refrigerator right away and let you know so there and being conservative even on that date that their setting when it comes You food waste either we ve talked for so long on this programme about you gotta portion

food that is just wasted on the field, so to speak, it that it already is sort of like by the time it would get to the supermarket. It might look cigarettes, you lose some there, you loose food due to spoil edge and you loose voodoo expiration dates, and a question is often asked his shouldn't. At all be donated somewhere and one of the reasons that sometimes given for why? It's not as if you donate stuff to a food pay tree beyond the expiration date. One. Are you sending the message that people who need to go to a food Andrey are deserving of expired food right and sort of like the pr issue with that, but also the concern of if someone get sick and it's beyond and expiration date the donor potentially legally liable. So are, though, and are there other ways in which this is actually preventing dealing with an issue like hunger yeah? I didn't hear your spine. I am I so am I would say, as far as the first point, this sort of stigma point about. Is this

bad food, are essentially saying like we're? Gonna get bad food to people, and you know that are that our accepting donated food on that is what our approach has been is to say if you right in the labels to have one label. That's really clearly about food, this my hands who is actually increasing risk after the date, then everyone could be clear in our own households and then we wouldn't donate those for this one act. We shouldn't be donating anything that actually is riskier after the date and then, if you have a separate standard label, that's really telling people for all of these food you can keep eating it as long as it smells. Ok, tastes! Ok, you know this is just totally the man of freshness and then I would.

I mean those should be able to be saw, they should be able to be donated. People should feel free to use them. People should slap them whatever. It is, and I think you know Gimme a law that says that they only can be donated but not sold and within a would it make sense because it would increase bad stigma and I'll say, on in all peer country. That's done a really nice job of this is the UK where they have used by is the standard label on food that becomes riskier after the day passed before is to stand or label on food that is labelled, as for freshness, and then they ve done actual campaigns with consumers. They had one last earlier this year, that was like look smell, tapes, don't waste, the whole campaign was really to let people now, if you see best before labels on it, there's no maybe there's no scientific way to make those accurate and there's no rest after the day. It's really just about your Preference in your mouth

and he got in- and they make her very grew those could be donated, they can be solved at a discount, you can so eat, then you can still serve them. No one's gonna get sick and I think again, there's a is like a very clear roadmap for how we could improve on this and and in a way that makes it not just for you know for it for donation and give away, but also for everyone to save dollars there's a whole other kind of category of food labels. These include defied organic all natural, no preservatives added sugar whole green, only in a we can count to go down the list and indifferent ones mean different. Things are any these other than organic, actually regulated terms in any way that have us a set meaning every time there used, though it's hard clashing there truly. So many of those lay Bosnia are like

What sort of so to speak. Eco labels like organic that really really take back the waiter grown and produce in the environmental side. Organic is the only one. I am, there was ledge. Suasion passed around Bio, engineered level, which will be crucial genetically modified label that will also be regulated on the health side. There are some that are that are regulated, for example, if you want to say that a food is healthy of road shook our son, but there also that aren't that heavily regulated, so mad cited sort of depends on the label, but I should say you know these out of those file to the food and Drug Administration to enforce and like there's, thousands and thousands of products with thousands thousands of labels and I think most people in this space present party good. It would say that you know they're making

it was on their there aren't actually being enforced because FDA just doesn't have the capacity to get all of them and degraded there. At one point there was this heart: healthy label. Many of us would be familiar from Oats Quaker Oats, but it was basically I recall correctly, at least in its initial version based on the amount of fat and so you had very strange products cutting. At one point, I think it was like the equivalent of some kind of fruit roll up type candy, which I think qualified for the label based on its absence of fat. But it's not really something that we would think I'm the highly processed its candy essentially, and so it was like this, this is really mean right, right, bright. Ninety array- and I think this has been a critique of a lot of those labels healthy You know heart held the low fat whenever and there are disqualifying levels of other new France, but sugar, which really people born as worried about right on the aid.

when a lotta, these labeling Boeing and an early nineties. So now you have these bizarre outcomes where there's no disqualifying level of sugar for all of these health related claims This is only the FDA has been supposedly working on, hopefully get around to really updating summit, labels, because I think they are really misleading for consumers acting today. Sugar is really one of the most. Concerning ingredients and products in terms of just though you know where we are entering, so would it sugar labeling like what are some of the issues. It seems to me. Some that come to me off without my head, is sometimes we'll say no sugar, but it has various syrups which are arguably not different than sugar, from a health standpoint. sometimes, you will see things like sweetened with beat sugar as if that's really differ, then cane sugar or regular sugar when its unclear there really is a difference remedy. It seem sort of like the the glue,

in free label on an apple where it's like. Yes, it's gluten free, but is that really actionable, and relevant in any way gas turn. I agree, yeah Evaporated, Kane Shirt Evaporated Keynes. Europe is one you will see and I still here- and I think your ideas- that it's not again, they don't have the capacity to enforce all of them. Supple consumers pay the price of that, and I think that there is both France, ability on the part of the FDA, an international congress to really be fought the resources so that those can be enforced evaporated gains. Europe is literally sugar, it is whatever we think of as sugar, and yet you now again it will say: no sugar and it will have that on a product or to others Everyone's that I want to ask about so use. Organic is actually a regulated term with a specific meeting about about the poets grown or whatever when it comes to all natural. What is

important for people to understand about whether all natural any meaning whatsoever? Great question, and no one can answer that question, because there's no definition really from the food and Drug Administration for all natural, so there's been a huge huge amount, litigation, and particularly in California. which has really nice laws that are very supportive towards consumers? Just flight of litigation around parliament within all natural claim. You then plaintiffs, humor saying that they brought the product. The men relies afterwards. There were certain assessing elements or was ultra process or included in a gene. added Argentina, genetically engineered materials, that people would think don't seem natural and others theirs. I would say for now I treat that claim as if, like I just ignore it completely

would say like that mean that is meaningless at the moment and I think again, there's there's a big question mark as too. If and when we walk. We will see the FDA come out with a real definition back and give consumers a little more confidence in that claim. Last thing I want to ask about it. I know now getting like a couple levels removed from from where we started homeopathic products. Herbal products- some sup laments, etc where they say statements, not been evaluated by the FDA, etc. We we ve all seen that type of thing what are the concerns and sort of what is in that general space that consumers should be aware of when looking at those products you now airs couples, that's for my valet back their event, and I myself. Already that there's a lot of claims on foods that an

either after hasn't yet define like natural. They don't really have agreed definition or where There is a very clear definition, but they just don't have the resources to enforce once you get into supplements, am you know herbal things, etc? even more so that way I mean a lot of people in the food space will call that really the wild west in terms of the and in terms of the level of both laws and enforcement, and I think it's it's a really difficult area. I think there's a lot of folks calling for more regulation. There I'm making sure both that there's really too concerned? One is when you buy a supplement, is what's in there: actually what it says it s right back in, as are the claim about what it can do for your house, validated in any way on both ends of that it's a really big question mark and it's hard for the companies that are trying to do a wound and trying to do a good job. Because

I think they will probably like more enforcement so that day in other there, that people will have more trust in that space yeah with without a doubt, Emily broadly is a clinical professor of law and faculty director for Harvard law. Schools, food law and policy clinic really appreciate your time today. Great hacking. Here thanks, one of our sponsors, is called privacy privacy. a totally free service that I've been using for years. Privacy lets me create virtual payment card with one click and when I use the virtual card the money is taken out of my bank account. You can cry multiple cards, delete them. Freeze them set a spending limit on them, let's say, signing up for a free trial and it requires a credit card. Privacy will, oh fill a virtual card number and then, after signing up, I can delete that virtual

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tromp, ISM and Republicans in the United States, which, by the way they could be in a sad state and still win in twenty twenty two, and in fact I think, it's quite plausible, so, first and foremost You guys know about Donald Trump, I'm guessing at you. Also know, this guy, Michael and Del. We know em is MIKE Pillow he's the ceo of my Pillow and Michael and Dell has been one of the main conspiracy. Illusionists delusion is so or delusional lists. I guess the question who has been basic since the November twenty twenty election saying in December. This thing will be overturned by January six that will be overturned January. Twenty. If it will be overturned, it'll, be March, Trump will be backing off his April it'll, be by the summer. It'll be fun. The end of summer. The latest, I think, is we'll be by Thanksgiving, but clearly that is not good. Happen, and maybe he's forgotten about that. This is so we and bizarre.

Apparently MIKE Pillow has recorded what they are describing as an exclusive blockbuster interview with Donald Trump and from swearing, a tuxedo in the interview. I don't know why I'm guessing there's some explanation. Maybe this was done at any event, tat who, who really knows and pillow is promoting Lyndal is promoting this interview as so earth shattering that when he plays it the week of Thanksgiving The american people are just going to rise up and demand that Donald from reinstating we'll be reinstated. And I'm gonna look at just a preview of this interview, it's completely off the rails. Take a look at this robot. Two November forth and we all live, this twilight zone lie. I would say that it is an old saying. You know Patrice falls in the forest and no one dinner, really fall within the media tells us there is no forest.

I mean elsewhere was I love Trump saying yeah, as as, if the understands, what pillow talking about here. Let's continue back in November and December and and now we know, but we were all living in this twilight zone, you were living there with us and but then You had all the betrayals and attacks on you that escalated to a whole, another level and told me once that you said right before you were going down that escalator- to make your famous announcement. Can you imagine that you said well we're going too far? Not now who are true, friends, austrian- and and I ve never forgot that. He said that to me and in it was everyone out there since that time we ve all praying for you for you to have strengthened question is what Give you the emotional strengthen. Really hard hitting blockbuster interview, as you can imagine, so, it's sort of

clear what Trump is even really doing right now. He may be in others this idea that is preparing for some kind of big twenty twenty two participation of sorts in the mid terms. he's off twitter idea. We don't really know what it is that he's doing other than publishing these bizarre statement. So, just to give you an de of what he's been up to an example statement Trump published to his website. The UN's select many of politically ambitious hacks continues to subpoena people. Wanting to know about those protesting on January. Sixth, the insurrection which took place during the present, in short election of November third, so Trump is now saying. The insurrection was the election that he claims was stolen. There is so much proof, but the fake the media refused the printer show it in any way. Read the Arizona report. Look at Wisconsin Pennsylvania

origin, numerous other states, nothing's happening there, nothing's happening in those in those states, so Trump with still insist. On this stuff in at this boy. Is it even to raise money? I dont know Trump, I was gonna, say tweeting, but posting blog posts were here. as look at what they found in Georgia. Seventy four counties- Georgia are missing ballot images, ok, trumped up posting Ike, I keep wanting to say tweeting an article from the daily sick No claiming that twenty six thousand dead people are still registered to vote in Michigan. Now. Remember guys, we ve talked about this dead people voting thing just because someone's registered and died since being registered. Doesn't mean they voted in Michigan. The dead people vote thing has been widely widely debunked and then try Attacking List Cheney with

an approval rating at nineteen percent in Wyoming people are wise. The lid Cheney. She is a threat to free and fair elections which are the car cornerstone of our country because She caved so easily on the crime of the century, meaning the fact that Joe Biden actually won the election. this is sad, but I think we shouldn't underestimate. The reality that there is still gee behind the sky, and last week's election results combined with whatever it is that Trump may have planned for the mid terms could vary. I'll lead to Republicans cleaning up in twenty twenty two taking the house taking the scent. Winning more state governor ships and having all most democratic of the White House, but having almost total control of the country for at least a period of a couple of years during which they could do a ton. A ton, a ton of damage are right. I was one of the

I guess we would call it a trend at this point that we ve seen for years is Donald Trump makes holidays tragedies and anniversaries. Somehow about himself or about attacking his political opponents. Donald It is veterans day today. It is veterans day today and Donald I'm released a very short video this morning. This is his tribute to turns on veterans Day now he's sort of alludes to critics. rising Biden by saying things are tough and we're going to try to fix them. It isn't name Biden, but of course it's all alluding to it's just bad under Joe Biden right now, but also like just every aspect of this- is weird the fray. being, is from really far away from tromp, like he looks almost twenty feet away from the comrades very strange, but the audio They don't even have a microphone on Trump, not even I guess care.

enough about his message to the troops which was partially just a criticism of the current state of affairs as Trump sees it They didn't even put a MIKE on tromp, it's just whatever MIKE is on the camera like down to the technical details. It's a very strange video. Let's take a lesson. This veterans day like to pay tribute to all of those incredible people that you are indeed incredible. People who, Sir so well and so strong and Ryan powerfully in the United States armed forces. We love you. Our nation respects you. The world respect You and we will come back our country is The last period of time has been a very tough wasn't. This is it. This is trumps wave criticising Biden. I just I hope, there's no like what else could possibly mean there where you have to watch, but our country will be bad. We back stronger than ever happy veterans that yeah

Donald Trump has a very long history of making tragedies holidays anniversaries about himself. On nine eleven. You might remember that Donald from called into a local tv station and said: hey you know now that the World Trade center towers fell. I have the tallest building in lower Manhattan? Remember this take a look at you have one of a landmark buildings down in the financial district, forty Wall Street, did you have any damage or do you know what what's happened down there? Well, it was an amazing phone call made. Forty was actually was. The second tall is building in downtown Manhattan. And it was actually before the World Trade Center was the tallest and then, when they built the World Trade Center became known as the second dollars denounce the tallest. That was a nice one right in twenty eleven Donald Trump claim that. He predicted the nine eleven attacks he didn't in twenty thirteen,

he memorialize nine eleven by sending his best wishes to the Hague, yours and losers. You might remember that one and then, of course, many times Donald Trump claimed to be at ground euro. He has said this on nine eleven anniversaries passed an just at other speeches. Here is just one example of soon after I went down to ground zero with men who worked for me to try to help in a little way that we could We were not alone, so that was a lie as well. Donald Trump was not at ground zero, any more than maybe he was in an office that could generally be considered be in lower Manhattan around the time of night, Levin this should not shock any of us. They should not surprise any of us. This is what Donald Trump does and it's pathetic and it's humiliating and amber. Sing? So, ok, not gonna, spend a lot of time on it as the latest. What the former president has been up to over the last couple of days

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