--On the Show:
--Vincent Racaniello, virology professor at Columbia University and host of This Week in Virology, joins David to discuss the Omicron variant, the future of the pandemic, the evolution of viruses, and much more
--Joe Biden and Democrats' voting rights bill collapses as Democrats fail to change filibuster rules
--Dr. Raul Pino, the Florida Department of Health Medical Director, has been placed on leave for encouraging his own staff to get vaccinated
--The Supreme Court has rejected Donald Trump's request to block the release of White House records related to the January 6 Trump riots to the House committee investigating January 6
--Notable discussions from the David Pakman Show subreddit, including about schools being forced to close due to COVID, the funding of television networks, and Trump rally attendees
--Unvaccinated Czech singer Hana Horak deliberately got herself infected with COVID, and has died of COVID
--Fox News reporter Peter Doocy asks what might be the worst question in all of journalism during President Joe Biden's nearly 2-hour press conference
--Donald Trump is wildly triggered by Joe Biden's nearly 2-hour press conference, appearing with right wing radio host Mark Levin to lodge endless complaints and whine insufferably
--Voicemail caller asks whether waiting until the US becomes a dictatorship before leaving the country is a bad idea because it may become difficult to leave a dictatorship
--On the Bonus Show: The airlines vs 5G fight that is taking place, New Mexico asks National Guard to become substitute teachers, Louisiana Senate candidate smokes marijuana in campaign ad, much more...
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This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
All right, let's start with some big but expected muse, so I don't have that
more to say about it than I have already said, because this is exactly what we ve been expecting. Joe Biden Voting Rights bill seems to be dead, because Democrats have been unable to change the filibuster, which very clearly became a pre
was it to really be able to do the voting rights bill, and this is exactly what we expected. So I don't know how much there is to say, but as the Associated Press is reporting voting bill, collapses, Democrats unable to change filibuster, voting legislation that Democrats and civil rights leaders say is vital to protecting democracy. That's true. It is collapsed. When too
amateurs, refuse to join their own party in changing Senate rules to overcome
republican filibuster after a raw emotional debate. Who are those two senators? Well, I'm sure
many of you know they are democratic, Senator Joe Mansion and democratic Senator Kirsten Cinema, the
outcome. Wednesday night says the AP was a stinging defeat for President Biden and his party coming at the tumultuous close to his first year and offers yet almost to the day Biden said in his statement after the vote. I am profoundly disappointed but that he is quote not
turd and vowed, to quote, explore every measure and use every tool at our disposal to stand up for democracy. So the question now is what can be done via executive order.
The two may be put in place some elements of what would have been in the voting rights bill, but mansion in Cinemas. Positions on this not a surprise, and the idea of changing the filibuster. Remember was
reduce the threshold for debating the voting rights bill from sixty. When you have fifty Democrats and you need sixty votes, you need ten Republicans. This is pretty simple math. The idea of changing the filibuster was the chance to change the required
of sixty in order to do that, they needed all fifty Democrats. They didn't have them, the filibuster doesn't change, and thus there is
this time no path forward for the voting rights legislation. Now I think it's important that you know when we talked about leading into the twenty sixteen election. There were these people,
who should be really crawling into a hole and never being heard from again in terms of their opinions, who were saying Hilary Trump Start really can make a difference, thoughts all kind of the same. It's not real progressive.
I don't want the person doesn't really matter. We said well,
but Sir Man, what about the Supreme Court? What about all these different things? Look at the Supreme Court at this point in time.
Look at all the thing. Look at the disasters that ended up happening under Donald Trump, so we ve gotta remember that at the same time, we have to remember now that this is a
Fundamental building block of our democracy Republicans have made it.
Clear they abandon policy. They ve abandoned convincing people that their ideas are good,
They merely want to win on obstructing Democrats and using a voter suppression and various other tactics to make it more depth.
Got to vote to try to win elections at an if you dont, when trying to steal the election, that's what they do now, and so, when something like this get stalled in its tracks. Hopefully Joe Biden can do some of this visa executive order. We don't
no. We have to see, but remember these kind of turning points and one of those was.
Hilary Trump. How bad could trump really be left send a message: let's shake it up, wow, what a disastrous for years we ve gotta be thinking along the same lines here this net
story. Is it's unbelievable and yet its predictable, because its Florida Florida has suspended a public health official, a doctor for encouraging his own staff to get vaccinated? It's it's insane and it's just opium and pr report
Florida Department of Health confirms Doktor, Raoul Pino put on leave for encouraging
Orange County Department of Health employees to get vaccinated didn't require
but to get vaccinated, encourage people to get vaccinated, and he has been suspended. The Florida Department of Health
GO director that overseas areas of Orange County, including Orlando, has been put on leave for encouraging, encouraging his own staff to get vaccinated
Orange County medical director, Doktor Raoul Pino, wrote an email to staff on January forth in
urging them to get vaccinated and boosted for covered in it. He wrote quote I'm having a hard time, understanding how we can be in public health and not practice. It makes perfect sense sensible down to
earth statement. After sending the email, he was placed on administrative leaf
in an email to w empathy, Florida Department of Health confer
he was on leave because quote the decision to get vaccinated is a personal choice that should be free
from coercion and mandates from employers. Now encouraging is not demanding. It is not
the version. It is not a mandate, it is not offering a consequence. If you fail to do it, it's just pay. You know like we're in public health and there's these vaccines and their very good at keeping people alive when they get Covin and which we should really get them. It's kind of weird that we work in public health M, woe, wheat people need to be free from mandates. Also does
Opium Florida Department of Health says it's even conducting an inquiry into what
Any luck has were broken by sending the email
republican governor run dissenters, has banned vaccine mandates in the workplace, and the state has seen a surge in alma cron cases, whites, whites and also remember that book.
For it became politically inconvenient Toronto. Santas Rhonda Santas was encouraging vaccination. More recently, dissent is was asked
he's boosted and you didn't even want to answer the question and the encouragement of vaccination has stopped, but when it was a different political situation when it was trimmed made, the vaccines and let's go get them. Rhonda Santa's had a very different outlook and, at the end of the day, Rhonda Santas is determined to spread covetous far and wide as possible into the nooks and crannies of the state of Florida and EU. What's the if saying hey guys, since we practise public health, we should
actually practicing get vaccinated, no mandate, no coercion, no threat a firing, but we should probably do it. That now is not allowed defacto facto, because he was placed on administrative leave. What's gonna be next, you go to the pharmacy hey by the way, you're picking up your your pills,
Did you know that we have vaccines available and their free to you? Did you want to get? What have you Maxie? Woe? That's coercion, pharmacist shouldn't even be allowed to do that. That's the next step when you say this action by Doktor, Raoul Pino deserves a suspension which of
It doesn't and will see whether he is ultimately fired, whether he comes back with some
kind of reprimand, whether he quits or whatever. The case may be all right. Thirdly, today this is also a big news. We have a horrible Supreme Court right now that that should be news, but we do thanks by the
a two Donald Trump choosing three people who are now on it rather than Hillary Clinton at that, cannot be ignored. That's a reality, but that disastrous Supreme Court has put a final. Stop. Donald Trump demands that White House records not be provided to the committee investigating the Trump rights. This is good news. Cnbc reporting, the Supreme Court has rejected a trump request to block the release of records to the January Sixth committee. The Supreme Court rejected a request from former president trumped block those records. The ruling, which Trump cannot appeal, sets the stage for more than seven hundred pages of Trump Whitehouse records too soon be sent by the national archives to the committee. That's an important detail. It is not now Trump who has to release them. It is the national archives that will release them. Trump had argued that he had the authority
as a former president to invoke executive privilege to prevent the disclosure of the records. President Biden has declined to invoke executive privilege for the records which the committee wants as part of its probe of the invasion of the capital by a mob of trump supporters. This is a very, very good decision and it is the correct decision, notably the Supreme Court order, the supreme
court decision. I was eight to one. The one was justice, Clarence Thomas, who dissented and said now: Trump should be able to block it, and what is particularly disturbing about that is that Clarence Thomas, is why
life cheered, the stop the steel rally on January Sixed. That ultimately was one of them.
primary inciting factors of those tromp riots and she subsequently apologize to her husband's law clerks. But given Clarence Thomas is obvious conflict of interest here. If he had respect for the law-
He would refuse himself from anything even remotely related to the January six from rights, but it is Clarence, Thomas after all,
and imagine I mean just think about that, the wife of a Supreme Court justice was cheering cheering cheering them.
the event and the individuals that led to an attempted insurrection at the country in the country where your husband is a Supreme Court justice, it's absolutely stunning stuff, but Jenny Thomas, is maybe something to focus on on a different day
the Supreme Court decision. This appears to be the end. I know we say that all the time with Trump and trying to hide records will this this is it now and then something else happens
by every reasonable stretch of the imagination. This is a Supreme court decision and this is it and the wreckers will be provided to the committee,
whether they will be made public deliberately or because they will leak.
or whatever we do not yet know, but that's the Supreme Court decision and it is the correct decision,
Let me know what you think: will we ever see those records? You can find me on Twitter at De Pachmann, we're going to take a very quick break and be right back. One of our sponsors is splendid
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every day, a few of which I spotted this morning that I wanted to highlight user stone. Five hundred posted my kids School district in Missouri is closed for the rest of this week. Due to staffing and attendance issues, I got a letter from the school system, essentially theirs.
so many people sick that the school had the clothes, and this is a really important they. I know people in these situations as well, where the school is open. In principle, but then so many people, so many teachers are sick, that schools closed until they can find teachers or teachers can recover from coded. Even would when we have this discussion of, should schools be closed or not because
the virus, my preferences for schools to be open. I agree with everybody who says it's better for kids to be in school in person. Who would deny that the question is by forcing them.
open. Do you really keep them open, because, if their open and fifteen percent of the teachers,
and of having to isolate, slash quarantine because there either exposed or catch covered, and then
just don't have people you don't have staff you dont have janitors whatever, and then you close anyway. What did we really gain by having a couple of chaotic days in school and I'm hearing from tons of parents who are saying that this exact thing is going on when people started going back two weeks ago
a week ago, my thought was there's no way that this is going to work in any real way, either you're just going to commit to the schools becoming super spreader of nodes or you'll, be
in a few days and if you're actually testing and have some kind of protocol you'll then just be forced to close, and it's happening just about it.
You are so interesting that a lot of parents in the audience are experiencing that and again I think it's better for the schools to be open. We want them open, it seems like it might have made sense to do remote, maybe
Three weeks we see the army Kron wave already coming down. I will have those numbers for
you probably or early next week. The numbers are looking better and better. It probably made sense they just do remote for a couple of weeks
doesn't sound completely crazy or or devastating to the students, and it would have prevented this insanity. That's going on now
a really very important post from s w frame who said? Should the Democrats try to get Alec Heart Network TV
in order to reduce the impact of Fox news. Fox news is not add, supported, not completely that's true. They charge the cable networks more than other channels, which means all subscribers indirectly fund the disinformation spewing out a fox news. Maybe Democrats, you get the cable networks to switch to Allah CART programmes. I have been talking about this for years. A ton of these networks function.
are viable channels through, bundling and and or through charging really high fees. So when you pay a hundred bucks for cable, you may or may not know that certain amounts from that hundred bucks go to specific channels or group
of channels. Do you really think that I'm making this up now? Ok? But do you really think that, if
Imagine that there was a bundle. That's like golf one, two and three hdtv won through four, and we know what our utter you know the council just imagine that it's ok, you gotta pay a seven bucks per subscriber for all seven of those channels,
Imagine that those were separated out and instead you could pay a dollar for each of those channels. Do
think that many people are going to say. I want to pay for HDTV one two, three and four, of course, not of course not in much the same way. If Fox NEWS had a different deal where people can say, I dont want Fox news and then they can save
three hundred and forty five bucks. I don't know what it is. Fox news loses a ton of money and that's exactly why they don't do it that way. So, yes, Alicart, cable programming, is something I've been to
about for a really long time it it's therewith HBO. We know the technology exists. If you dont want HBO, you don't pay for HBO spare very simple, considered a premium channel. Ah, if it were quite frankly, if it were that way for a lot more channels, all of us would be saving money
and a lot of these channels would go out of business. But yes, we that's a very, very good idea. Lastly, I,
user Brian.
C, r C posted question for tromp rally. Attendees the Trump rally started up again over the weekend. Can you name
something new. You learned for the rally and, of course, the from the rally and of course the answer is no trump has been doing the same stuff at the rallies. Basically, since the election,
right, saying I want and information
it's coming up very soon and the real answer:
action was January. I was not January. It was November of twenty twenty and all this different stuff. They are not there to learn anything new. They are, they are to participate in the cult of personality and unless we understand that it's going to be very difficult to prevent
It from happening again and is not about what he says is not about learning anything. We need to understand these people really for what they are, which is, quite frankly, cult members of a different sort of political culture, and I think that that would be a really interesting. Quite we ve seen people do interviews of Trump supporters at the rat,
is. It would be great if someone on the way out stopped people and said what did you learn today that you didn't know before? That would be a treasure trove of a fascinating interview, material
courage, someone to do it. I don't want to be caught dead near any those rallies, particularly because it seems really difficult to leave. There was video.
though, the rally in Florence Arizona over the weekend of people saying
We were not we're not being allowed to leave their saying. You need to wait until the full Trump motorcade leaves and then they
allegedly letting all the vendors leave, and there were people stuck for hours after the rally imagined trumps late to every rally, drones
on four ninety two hundred and twenty minutes.
And then you are not even allowed to leave right away insane Latin out. I want to go somewhere else, wants to go and ask these people what they ve learned eyeing. I totally support it, but I have no interest in being their joined. The discussion at David Pachmann Dotcom slash
our. I do have another story today of another one of these anti backs on vaccinated people that has died of covert, but this one is particularly insidious because of
details. This is someone who wanted to get infected. They wanted
the immunity that they
getting infected with the virus would give them, and they are now dead. Hannah Horta, a czech singer is dead,
After intentionally getting infected with covered the BBC by Ben Tobias reporting on this, a folk singer from the Czech Republic has died after deliberately catching covert. Had a horror was fifty seven years old was on vaccinated posted on social media that she was recovering after testing positive and was dead two days later, her son,
said she got infected on purpose when he and his father had the virus, so she could get a recovery pass to access certain then use the Czech Republic reported a record number of covert cases. Yesterday, a MR rack and his father, who are both fully vaccinated both caught covered over Christmas, but he said his mother decided not to stay away from
pretend, preferring instead to expose yourself. He said she should have isolated for a week because we tested positive, but she was with us the whole time. Proof of vaccination or recent infection from the virus is required in the
Republic to go too many venues, including movie theatres bars in cafes,
his mother was a member of one of the oldest check folk groups ass an she had wanted to catch covered, so there would be fewer restrictions on her two days before she died. She wrote on social media.
was recovering quote now. There will be a theatre sana, a concert.
Sunday morning the day she died. She said she was feeling better and got dressed to go for a walk. Her back started hurting
She went to lie down in her bedroom. Her son says in ten minutes. It was all over she choked to death.
Although she was on vaccinated yon, her son stressed his mother didn't believe in
some of the more bizarre conspiracy theories about covert vaccines. Her philosophy was
He was more okay with the idea of catching it then getting vaccinated, not that we would get microchipped or anything like that. There was no point in trying to discuss the issue with her as it would get too emotional. Instead, he hopes that by telling his story he could convince others to get vaccinated. That's the hope. How scary is it
that she felt good enough to go for a walk and ten minutes later was dead. Dad is absolutely horrifying and we talk about sympathy. You know every one of these situations is
different. But this is someone who not only refuse to get vaccinated but deliberately got sick. She
She'd deliberately exposed herself to the virus, refused the best protection we have against Syria,
illness and death when we have a highly effective and protective vaccine. Where is this on the spectrum of sympathy? I don't.
oh and there is a case to be made that big picture the recovery passes are kind of a silly idea. Now, if you test positive in another country- and you can't get back to the U S and because you ve tested positive,
testing may not be accurate for a long period of time. In that situation it makes sense to say, I believe,
individual has recovered. They should be allowed to go back to the. U s that that makes sense to me. If you have as a policy to come,
indoor restaurants, you gotta be vaccinated or to go to
with yours. You ve gotta, be vaccinated, vaccinated
Recovery certificate, doesn't seem like
very good idea, particularly since we don't really know that much, particularly in the context of honour crimes,
For how long are you protected after recovery? We do. We just don't know the answers to those questions. It seems problematic to me and
though it her whole go here was, let me get sick to get better to be recovered to then be able to go places without being vaccinated even the pretext of that. Even that, as a pretext does not seem logical to me, but another tragic story.
On vaccinated person, says I'm gonna go and get myself sick in order to recover and have immunity. It didn't work she's dead.
We will have more on this on our
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Graham today, Vincent RACK and yellow, whose virology energy, Professor Columbia University, and also hosts of this week in virology a great to have you
I really appreciate it great to be here, so I
I mean, I guess we have to start with immigrants and the eight, if whatever prediction
want unarmed mccrone you can find it, which is. This is the beginning of something that's going to get much worse. This is the beginning of the end of the pandemic and everything in between
what do we know now about the level of transmissible
of honour crimes. In terms of its our value
Well as how much more or
likely it is to cause hospitalization so determining transmits abilities very difficult. So getting of our value, especially this far into an epidemic, is very hard
but I like to look at what we call secondary attack rates which are calculated in closed situation like a household.
yes, where you can know that this person was infected and then
within a certain amount of time in these other people got infected and it's not easy to do that. But recently a pre print came out of Denmark where they did it and the beauty of the study was. It was just when they were transitioning from delta to arm across. So you had kit households that were either in Alma Kron Household or dealt the household right, perfect perfect and they had good numbers and they have a terrific medical records registry there. So they could get all the information, and what was very clear is that I'm, a crime has a higher secondary attack rate,
doubt the so transmitting better in the household situation, but that appears to be entirely due to the fact that alma cronies evading antibodies, because as you,
No, it has many changes in the spike protein more than any other variant and if you take sera from people, have been vaccinated or recovered from infection, it doesn't block infection,
With Amr Crime, as well as say, with Delta, and so the danish scientists concluded there
this increased ability of alma crown to transmit say within households
entirely due to immune evasion and not to
inherent increased, transmits ability
virus. So we imagine that there are some properties of viruses that can make them transmit better. Maybe they
produce better there more stable in droplets that come out of your response to, but that's not the case with Almah crop. It really use it
aiding antibodies and that's why it spreading now. The other part of your question how bout disease right now at first reports out of South Africa, suggested it might be milder.
And people started to call it an army called which is not really right. My galley Daniel Griffin, infectious disease doktor, so that's not right, as he seen plenty of very sick people infected with honour crimes and especially on vaccinated people, so in the advanced needed on the crime can be just as severe as delta in previous versions. But the South Africans study was kind of complicated because allow the people in their study were vaccinated and allowed them were younger, hello them didn't, have comber abilities and so that all bias is it to be mild there. So you know making conclusions very quick,
really about how severe infections are very difficult. So I would say at this point: we know that democracy can evade immunity. That's why it moves through a population. Well, it can in fact vaccinated people just like Delta could, but in a vaccinated person the disease is much milder than non vaccinated person with out there. So many things that we could go off to.
that from there are just a couple. So if we look at the UK as an example, a lay person might look at cases and deaths and of course
this point? We know that not nearly all of the infections are being captured as a case which depends on a test, but putting that aside, for a moment it looked like during the
Ami Cron, wave cases when,
about six acts in the UK known cases where it
deaths went up somewhere between eighty and a hundred percent, or so when you
see that it suggests that it is
in some way less likely to kill people and that UK, not South Africa, but
are those two numbers alone not enough to really tell us that, while the prom
is that allow the people are. Vaccines are vaccinated that if you stratified data, yes vaccinated verses on facts and make sure you control for age and comb were which is not easy to do true, then you find that in
its milder and vaccinated people, but so is delta, and so we're all the other variants. Bit of the fact is that vaccination works it prevent you from getting severe disease in our part of the issue is with Amr crowded. Came it about the holiday season right when everyone is travelling in getting through
other plus we are now getting together way more than we ever did since the beginning of the pandemic. Has people are sick?
to relax and all of this contributes seriously, movement of a virus has many factors around and not just the virus, not just your immunity, but how people behave as well.
The wastewater data. In some cities in the United States is showing just dramatic reduction
in the amount of a virus. During this I'm wave, I think when I looked
ten days ago, or so, where maybe a week ago, at Boston Wastewater Data, it was down about two thirds, even though cases are only down about ten percent which which we know you would imagine that that would be a case.
this would be a lagging indicator to the wastewater. How important is the wastewater data? I'm not sure you can. You can call
defy anything? Will you didn't say? Is we have this virus here now? So there may be a pure-
where you don't see a virus in wastewater or the levels,
very low and then
Suddenly you get more positive so that
inform you of an impending epidemic, but I would not make much of the levels because in others
this is incidental virus that your swallowing its passing out of your gastrointestinal track and going into the sewers. So it's not really part of the infection process vote so to Us
grab any meaning to how much is there remember it's we're doing PCR to measure viral rna in
water and as a recent study out of Switzerland just showed there is very little correlation between pcr levels and infectious virus. So I
You have to be. You have to realise the limitations of looking at the virus. Rna and wastewater. That's fair! That's her!
Last time you were on, we talked a little bit about the very top level under
standing that we have about viruses over time becoming less deadly.
and you gave us many caveats when we talked about that, but it was the surgeon.
Idea in the last few weeks as the convoy,
station about what happens after COMECON has become more and more relevant conversation. There have been a bunch of different.
Girls coming out claiming to debunk that idea as a general rule
simple that really virus has become
more chaotic and that that could get you
milder disease, but it might not, and that there are counter examples from history. Can we now
it seems more relevant than ever talk a little more specifically about this idea of what is likely to come next after COMECON, so
The idea which we talk about last time. You know it's a its human idea that viruses overtime tend to
less virulent by we're talking about long long periods of time- we're not talking about two years here. Ah so, for example, if a virus spill
remember, all human viruses came from some other animal at some point in time. That sake, thousands of years ago, tens of thousands of years ago, measles, virus fifteen thousand years ago.
spilled over into people from cows right and so initially, it's probably quite lethal because its new host, we have no immunity to the virus and it does what source to does but overtime population immunity grows at that,
helps you have more a milder disease. When you get infected now, there's
So this hypothesis, that maybe the virus changes over time because there is no point in killing your host or making your hosts very sick,
so random changes in the genome that reduce virulence may persist, but I have to say, you know,
the one exception that we might have talked about last time, using viruses to kill rabbits in Australia
there's no other evidence that viruses tend to get less vigilant over
I'm in their hostess. Just an appealing hypothesis bought the insidious
duration. They had brought in rabbits and the eighteen hundreds for hunting purposes. They hoped they multiplied like crazy. You were too many of them, so they introduced a virus to try and kill them
and in the first year ninety nine percent of the rabbits were killed, but then those those one percent that survived were more resistant to the virus and then the virus change to be less virulent as well. So it's actually a beautiful experiment. That's consists
with this idea, but I must say: there's no other evidence for it and, as you mentioned, is
Islamic Run a came out. We had these data from South Africa. People were saying: oh, it's getting less virulent, but I think it's,
far too premature to say that, because, as we have already talked about their lots of confounding factors there, so what does that do for them
conversation about what what is next and whether we are months from shifting from
pandemic to the endemic phase of this. Is it to do, but can we really say anything about that? At this point we have from the start. We have thought that, as population immunity grew
to this virus. We would have less and less severe disease
We see that in vaccinated people it supports that, even though we have many variants emerging that can evade immunity to a certain extent,
the vaccine still work. They protect you from severe disease,
Hospitalization, really in the nineties per cent still so, and we knew from
other corona virus, is the common cold corona viruses that in fact, all of us every year that widespread population immunity probably associates with milder disease and so that from the very start,
led to this idea that over time as more the world became immune to source Clovy too, we would have less and less severe disease.
Virus would not necessarily be changing with respect to virulence, but simply population immunity would do that. I really think that's what's going to happen
because we see the vaccines working really well, despite the energetic ever
version of the virus, so I've always thought
This was actually an idea influenced by Ralph Barrack, who
the corona virologist.
For many years. He said with this will probably be a common cold, Corona
who knows how long it will take, and at that point we might not need to vaccinated against it any longer were not at that point. Yet, though, I dont think we are because,
you know most of the world is still not fully vaccinated right. There are some countries that have very high rates of vaccination and they have much less disease as a consequence, but there are other countries like Africa which it which are barely vaccinated, so we can hope to end a pandemic until we get more either a lot of people in
Exeter Vaccinium, and that's what's going to happen now over the next few years, you're going to either get vaccinated where you're going to get infected and in both cases, you're going to get some kind of immunity there
a few countries at least a couple: the UK, Australia,
that are pretty quickly going in the direction of saying
We are, we believe we are functioning as though we are in the endemic phase. We are going to start removing restrictions and kind of putting this at the individual level to say if, if I have a particular reason that
I need to go beyond what is required of me by by the state. I am going to do it based on my level of risk. Does that make any sense to you at this point in time? It does, and I've been thinking about this for now many weeks, because we it's very clear. We have multiple vaccines that work. They don't prevent infection, which is normal, but they do prevent severe disease.
And so in many countries like the UK and Israel in the U S where we have plenty of vaccine, we now have vaccines that can control severe disease. People who have decided not to be vaccinated have made their choice, so I think the rest of the population can now start to move on. The only problem with that idea is that if too many on vaccinated people get infected, as you know, the healthcare system gets overburdened yes and
that is a problem because they have other issues to do with. They have other health problems in patients to deal with, so we don't want hospitals full of non vaccinated, severely ill covert bases. That's why I think in many places, in the? U S, we're still masking, even though were awfully vaccinate. Many of us are fully vaccinated. There's no risk to us any more of of getting severely ill. We are protecting the on vaccinated.
The biggest and most regular pushed back that I hear when anybody says what you just said is but hold on a second, even the p,
we're doing everything correctly, getting their three doses and bit etc.
They are still at greater risk due to the on vaccinated, because
the ability to spread the disease. The counter that's incorrect, increasingly being placed upon us is, will hold on a second with Almah Kron. It's not clear that the vaccines prevent transmission, they prevent death, they prevent serious illness, but but do they
we prevent transmission. So it's really achieve our question. What about the people saying? Even those who did the right things we are still at?
because of everybody else and number
What do we know about the effect of the vaccine on transmission right now, so the I feel I am not at risk from a non vaccinated person. Ok, I'm triple vaccinated
and if I get infected, which I likely will
I will have a mild disease right. There's a very good chance. I have a mile disease
most of the severe disease
in advance and vaccinated people. You know that ten percent, or so that they are in people with comber bidding you desert their older. Were there oh beasts? That's a big one or diabetic were as matic those of people who get are most likely to have severe disease, even if fully vaccinated. Of course, we don't want to forget the kids under five who can't be vaccinated, yet we still have to be careful about them. So I dont view vaccinate people as the ones at risk is the unfortunate people and there are the ones that are going to cause problems and in the health care system. Now with
spectre transmission there? There was a wonderful pre printed out of Switzerland last week, and this compliments other work. That's that's come out as well, which clearly shows that will, first of all, you can't measure transmission by doing pcr. That is very clear and almost every study that has looked at shedding of
acts needed person is wrong because their measuring pcr in that does not correlate with infectious virus. Shutting in the swiss study, they showed that a vaccinated person not only sheds less infectious virus that an on vaccination person, but does so for fewer days after being infected, ok at so that has significant implications, so vaccination doesn't abolish shedding. It doesn't abolish transmission, but it knocks it so far down that it no longer plays a role in driving the epidemic. That's
got that seems to then support those who say I'm vaccinated, but the on vaccinated are putting me at risk. I knows, statistically, you still won't be seriously ill, but a lot
People have co more, but it is in this country. It sounds like is not wrong to say, even as a vaccinated person, the on vaccinated do put me at greater risk. No on virtually do not because you are not going to get sick right if your fully vaccinated
did they likelihood you gonna get severely. Yo is very low. All I see it so it's bo rights both that the by being
by being on vaccinated. You are shutting more virus, I being vaccinated. You also are less likely to actually get sick, exact location
Who are less likely to pass it on to some one else as well, so the more people we have vaccinated, the more likely we can stop the transmission. Very
that's what we're gonna linked to that pre print from Switzerland. It sounds like there's really a wealth of our wealth wealth of data. There we ve been speak
and with Vincent RACK and yell over Ology, professor at Columbia University and make sure to check out this week in view.
Ology, always
great having you on. Thank you for having me David appreciate. It.
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given the podcast notes. So yesterday praise
and Joe Biden held his first, what's called a formal press conference in us
several months and I'm not going to go through each piece of it because, quite frankly,
Most of it wasn't very interesting. I do think the ink-
credible double standard applied by many right. Wingers on these press conferences should be mentioned, which is four months and me.
They were saying, whereas Biden no formal press conference, he did one yesterday the press wooden stop asking quest.
ends and so Biden kept going and going for nearly two hours and then
They said he was droning on. It was a marathon press conference nearly two hours. He talked wait too long guys you can have it both ways, but the peace that I want to.
guess on, and I apologise in advance for those who saw this yesterday,
and have already suffered brain damage from seeing it I'm going to
lay for. You may be the dumbest question I have heard
the history of journalism, and I know that that says a lot. Certainly this is the dumbest question asked of Joe Biden during his presidency. The person asking the question is Fox news. Rapporteur, Peter do see. Peter duty is always trying to get.
gotcha does and so on and so forth. Joe Biden knows this, and yet he calls on him base
sickly every time I only room
burn a few instances of like this specifically
where Joe Biden has called on Peter, do see. Every single time doesn't shy away from his questions. Listen to the question that Peter do see asked. Why are you try and so hard in your first year to pull the country so far to the left, half backpack
let's let Joe Biden first start tat answer it. Then I have a lot to say about this. Well are not
don't know what you consider to be too far left if, in fact we're talking about
Can she read the money should covered making sure we had the money to put together the byproducts nervous
maybe you should be able to provide for those things and, in fact, would significantly reduce the burden on working class people, but they could have to continue to work hard. I dont know how that is. Please left Mary call so again
Joe Joe Biden hasn't, has an answer for it. The reason that this question is so dumb is because the
narrative around Biden, extreme leftism, is so untrue that, though the left wishes this was the
hey say I wish Joe Biden was doing more left wing stuff, think about Biden.
Major actions during his first year as president- and this is not like a report card- it
evaluating whether the things he did are really left or not. He did covert stimulus now trumpeted two of them bindings covert
Emulous is no further left than trumps to coded stimuli. Biden did one trumpeted to soak that's a major:
complement. He did it relatively quickly once getting in office, not very far left number to the vaccine role
has been one of Joe Biden, kind of major actions or product programmes during his first year, if you believe Trump made the vaccines which he didn't. But let's imagine that we cannot accept this right wing story that that Trump made the vaccines houses.
distributing the vaccines that your republican hero made far left so that that's not far left Joe
I got a very modest infrastructure bill past and remember that for a very long time, Republicans liked infrastructure spending.
Two to some degree and there's nothing particularly far left about it. You know, centre centrist
governments around the world do infrastructure a right wing.
And around the world. Do infrastructure left wing governments around the world to infrastructure? It's a very modest infrastructure bill. Quite milk toast, if I say so myself getting out of Afghanistan, is a major first year Biden accomplishment that was a trump plan
So how is Biden doing the thing that Trump promised to do far left not seeing anything that matches
description. These are the major Biden accomplishments during your one. Now
just rolling out sending for free covered tests to anybody who asks for them? But you ve gotta, ask for them
There is nothing very far left here and a lot of this it so so there is really to stories here. One
story is the false narrative about
Biden being an extreme leftist. I think that
Bite and ran on a policy to like marginally to the left, the Brok Obama and certainly the
limitation has been extraordinarily centre left nothing wrong
couple at all and then it's just this pathetic and flash continued attempt from Peter do
to make himself seem alpha for lack of a better term and do a big boy for the Fox NEWS audience which I think is kind of working for him, like, I think, if the Fox audience
sees: why are you trying to move the country so far left they probably
do believe that that's what Joe Biden is trying to do, even though it could not be further from the truth,
I am having a hard time, and I no news max and away and sometimes ask questions of presidents
This seems, like the dumbest question posed to a president in a very very long time. The other part I want to talk about of Joe by
Press conference yesterday. Remember Joe Biden, critic
eyes by the right for not doing a press conference for awhile did one yesterday in two questions for nearly two hours,
and some right wingers were saying he went on too long. The drudge report had a splash headline about Marathon press conference. He
and do one and you criticise him and then he he answers to many questions. And then you criticise Gimme a break as one person who was
strong in triggered by Joe Biden Press conference yesterday. I think it's both what was in the press conference and the fact that its Joe Biden,
doing a press conference rather than him is Donald Trump Donald Trump. Putting out a statement yesterday through his Save America thing and what he said was how come Biden picks a reporter awful list
in all cases, softball questions and then reads the answer I
would never have been allowed to get away with that. Nor would I half do. Then.
Donald Trump appearing with Fox NEWS host,
and a radio host that are member for the Westwood one or where Mark Levin hosts the show right wing host Mark, Levin and Trump is just completely triggered by the fact that people paid attention.
Joe Biden. Let's take a lesson. I noticed. I noticed a lot of things. I noticed things that are affecting the american people directly
These things are going pretty swimmingly. They didn't talk about crime, they didn't target
what's going on in the classroom, say, didn't talk about what's happening at the border,
and he was here for almost two hours and I came up- don't you find I remarkable work,
I'm is so bad it so out of control. When you look at these
is being shoved subway stations in New York of flood, formulate into a train knowing that that's horrible. What on earth is that have to do with Joe Biden that it's it's written about and Why-
pity like what they. On the one hand, they say, let's states in me
the Paleti's do what's right for them, but its Joe Biden fault that something is happy.
On the sub ways of New York, its tragic, but what does it have to do with Joe Bite in Spain?
women's thrown wide internet train waited in a case, as you can hear. By the way, this is down or tromp right now, very, very down low energy
and killed instead land
Look at what happened with the young lady selling
in a pernicious or selling furniture, and somebody works at a knife, certain death org.
and nothing
in today's paper nothing happens and the,
their question here. Of course, when we talk about violence in cities, is they talk about dangerous dammit?
Riddick Democratic, run cities.
as many of you know, because I've done this so many times most cities are done by demagogues run by Democrats, because more Democrats want to live in cities and
Republicans tend to live more, rarely so really
Cities are run by Democrats and higher crime. Cities are run by Democrats because cities tend to be run by Democrats. Ok, let's continue Trump angry with the reporters during the press.
Advance eight commander chief saying that he expects Russia to invade Ukraine?
Should they Lattimer impudent heard there too?
yeah. It was like
problem, is it was like nothing's going to be done now. In other words, I expect him now. Maybe it was a mistake because it was said in the middle of another sends another thought, but he's.
Used. The words expects that he's going in and
That was strange
When are you
when a gap in the girl. I just thought it was a very strange thought- be putting out
If any one great analysis from trauma action to go in?
nobody seems to pick it up, because the report is that the most readily grouper reporters I've ever seen and even asked questions. It make positive statements and then too bad. You know, I really didn't see it that way. We I we have, I have been endlessly
the goal of of of the press corps when tromp was president and when Biden as President
I think there are often things managed by the press corps in ways that I think don't really make sense, but that was not what took place yesterday were real questions asked of Joe Biden
Biden sometimes didn't even answer them Biden was ass straight up what happened to cancelling ten grand and student debt? He literally never answer the question he walked off. Wasn't wasn't pressed on its hope, I've my criticisms of Biden Report, but it was not a friendly press conference in the way trumpets describing here whatsoever.
Here's more of a trump on the press conference patriots
the great honour to have allowances from the start of the area, President Donald Trump prison
and tramped power user Ce Mark. How are you I'm doing great pressure?
chapter, I met
Can you saw mostly this press conference and I did and
nobody said he's had a enormous progress during his presidency. I don't see the EU programmes
There's a destroying our country, s side. I had spent tremendous
I also said something that I assume was a mistake, but he said he
export undergo in he said I expect
to go in.
To go in to Ukraine, and I thought I was at a very unusual- loving knew what he was saying because it was.
That is part of another question and it was confused because he tried to correct something: yeah, that's part of the Biden Dimension narrative, which Trump continues to push, and then of course, at some point it must be mentioned that Joe Biden is pushing us
towards communism, and that did come up of course, as absurd as it is in a job I said,
he sat moved at all have Peter do see said why. Why are you trying to take the country they left? He says I'm a moderate, I'm not a socialist sunlight, Bernie Sanders. I think his
hence defy that daddy.
Well. He says he said during the debate. She said that during his debates, without a Democrat and of course its true Joe Biden has not moved us towards socialism or communism, and I would encourage anybody who believes that he has to explain exactly which policies have done so, but it's not.
and you know what he said and on energy
look away said on energy. Look. What do you take a look at religion? What's going on there, you nothing! What would the stance is that these Democrats, I mean, quite literally, nothing- is going on radical left, Emily
it's taken
No, he said all of these things that
very moderate and then he did
things that nobody can really Bernie Sanders. Gonna believe what's happening, yes, but
Bernie is like oh, my God, Joe you're, so far left. I can't believe
I would never gotten away with any other stuff. It said it's not,
Not really even believable mark was happening to me, so Trump audibly confused and again look it binds actions. Tell
which ones are the socialist communist ones. He did covert stimulus, but trumpeted two of em he rolled out the vaccine.
that Republicans believe Trump made. That's not very far left. He passed a very modest infrastructure bill and he got out of Afghanistan, which was trumps plan.
So, if any time anybody says to you, when Jesse Lee Petersen interviewed me and allay when Obama was president.
He or no, I think no Trump was president, but it was about what Barack Obama did he said. Obama was
listen. I was I, what did he do and here will he gave some people cellphones? That was generally Peterson's explanation so when people say
a bite in his going socialist communist. Ask specifically, which policies are the socialistic communist policies? I am curious to see
People tell you: we have a voice mail number. That number is too one nine to David P: here's a voice mail! I
seized with a very practical question about. If it came time too,
leave the country. Would you still be able to leave the country to get a very good question I gave it. I just heard you say and the stream that if the nicest becomes a full blown dictatorship by twenty three,
for you will be leaving the country side
thinking about this about myself and is it too late? If you wait until a full blown
leadership. We write and be able to leave the country if you're, that
in front of it happening. Should you be making plans to leave before it goes well beyond the kurdish, yet that this is a fair question which is like, if things
completely changed overnight in the U S and Oliver,
sudden, no one was allowed to leave the plan of saying I will stay if and until it gets really bad doesn't work, because if it got so bad you wouldn't be allowed to leave. I don't eat a. What when we talk about
the canadian political scientist who said the? U S could be a dictatorship by twenty, thirty or whatever else to his. Maybe I believe that will it would be a continued, slow slide in that direction
and I am counting on the the belief that I
have time to get out if such a time came now? Would I if it's so slow, that the frog doesn't realize it's getting burn?
right, would I know when it's time to leave. These are all fair questions, but I dont think it would be like
overnight, no more flights out. I just don't think that that's the case but be
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