So a Ford neatly it's become very toxic. Now to talk about what's going on with Russia and Ukraine, and there is almost no assertion that can be made without someone popping up out of the woodwork in saying? No, no, no, no, that's hanky talking point or that's an imperialist talking point or whatever, even relatively uncas Her virtual statements, like Putin, likes to play games his aggression, its I get it. We could possibly deny something like that, but some

what is lying and there is some truth, and I dont think we really know it and unfortunately, what has become very toxic about discussing the Russia. Ukraine story is that any lame triggers someone into saying you are playing a role for Ex wire z, side or purse. active or enclave or whatever the case may be. This gets us too. Latest news, which is well. On the one hand, we were told that Vladimir in, and Russia were pulling troops back from the ukrainian border. That would be a great thing if it were true, making it less likely that there is going to be an invasion, unfortunately, NATO and the U S and Ukraine and others say Not only is Russia not pulling back, they seem to actually be building up troops even further. Now someone is lying, both can't be true.

And I guess theoretically the way that you could have served some technical truth to both would be. there has been some pull back in one area near the ukrainian border, with a build up where and then both sort of may be true, but- spirit of it, of course, is like overall, is Russia moving towards Ukraine or away from it, there's a new Reuters report, which says where towards military build up near Ukraine growing, not shrinking. That's very direct and very clear stony says Russia likely to launch a limited attack. Russia releases, video, showing tanks, leaving Crimea, Ukraine Defence Ministry hack worst of its kind, says government, and there is the question as to whether Russia's sponsible for that hack. There is a growing russian military presence at Ukraine's borders. Western countries warned on Wednesday. As Estonia said, battle groups were moving ahead of a likely attack to occupy key terrain contradicts contradicting Moscow's insistence of a pull back more are

vehicles, helicopters and a field hospital have been spotted. Britain's defence Intel and she said in rare public. I went up to seven thousand More troops have moved to the border in recent days, including some arriving on Wednesday. A senior official in binds administration said without providing evidence. So there are people who will say we can't trust Biden. We can trust NATO and thing, they say simply cannot be believed would budget we their dirty straight wine. Obviously Putin is pulling back from Ukraine, it it doesn't obvious, and I think the other part of this situation- that's gotten difficult, and this is just its. If I say bum doubt it's because I am that this has now become almost like a sort of like a Venezuela type situation for some on the revolutionary left. Where there's this wing of the left and that the right is totally gone cook, who have not even addressing them right now, but there's this wing of the left that ends up.

In their desire to always oppose American. imperialism in american intelligence. They will end up supporting an defaulting to believing solitary and strong men around the world, and we saw this with Venezuela where, if you say hey, you know, ah the stated populist ideals of my job as a now. Maduro are just window dressing for authoritarianism and the pillaging of the countries, resources for the gain of the elites and honor. If, if you say that you, while you you're, an american imperialist. Now What did I say about wanting the? U S involved in any way said nothing about that, but that's how your branded and unfair Fortunately, if you say hey, you know, Putin's intentions may not be all on the up and up here, similar allegations fly and unfortunately, or did I don't even know the question of fortune, but speaking realistically,

We don't really know Vladimir Putin's intentions here, his intention, maybe to invade Ukraine his intent maybe not to invade Ukraine, but to goad the west into doing something which will give him a leg up in negotiating position in the Future Putin's intention, maybe to do this to rattle western stock markets, which it has been doing like if that were Putin's goal it has. Succeeded. I do not think we really know and what we you know from history is its unclear why anyone would believe Putin absent real, solid evidence, the video tanks moving in one direction. Tussle really tell us definitively what is going on that video, could be could be. Anything could have been filmed anytime quite literally is of no value whatsoever, and we know that Trump believed Putin right, like when Putin told Trump Weed Hack, anybody trumpet me Like immediately came out and said: listen, I asked him did you hackers and he was very

strong in his denial and I believe him okay. Well so we know Trump believe Putin, most people, don't believe Putin lest they have independently verified the things that Vladimir Putin is saying. So that's where we are one last thing, from d w. Nato Russia is seeking pretext to attack Ukraine. That's another idea, which is what Putin is doing, is too cause Ukraine to do something which will then justify the invasion, and that's why we see the back and forth so we're not to know, maybe for another day, maybe for another week we don't know, but anybody telling you this is the ultimate and definitive truth on what Putin intends to do be skeptical of that be skeptical of that, because we don't know and anybody. telling you I mean it's a very trompe in thing which will sometimes hear from those on the revolutionary left to say I? U can only dream of

I know the real for anything else. Your hearing can't be trusted. This is the one definitive explanation and analysis beasts be skeptical of that you we'll do you will do well to remain sceptical of of those such claims there is insane new video of Rudy Giuliani. We talked about regionally ADI earlier in the week and just like do we feel bad for him? Do we not a lot of this? Current problems are really of his own doing, choosing to get involved with tromp in choosing to defend Trump and choosing to fly around the country filing these bogus complaints and holding bogus hearings related to the twenty twenty election and regionally Annie is potentially a bunch of trouble. Now he's who appears to be short of maintaining his loyalty to tromp, at least for now. Even though for most reports, we ve seen Trump has more or less abandoned, Rudy Giuliani, and the latest is that Rudy Giuliani claims to have evidence laid to Hillary Clinton in either his bedroom or his dead? Now, then we could talk about. Is it down a living room, but maybe without a tell

vision, or how do we define DEN doesn't really matter? Rudy says unused max. He has evidence in his bedroom and then he says. Actually, it's in my den and everything about this is really weird, because it is essentially a confession for Rudy Giuliani, which I will explain: half post reports. Rudy Giuliani, reveals location of secret evident, stash. The former city mayor makes a weird confessed. On live TV, Giuliani declared Tuesday He has a stash of secret evidence against former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and its his bedroom and then he's is actually it's in my debt. This was an interview on the right when NEWS Max network. He says he. a thousand pieces of evidence that no one has seen and, of course, as you might remember, route he is home, Rudy Giuliani office were raided, and so, if there is quote evidence there it raises the question as to did he

legally hold that back or high It in some way here is Rudy unused MAX explaining to us exactly where the evidences. Why do I think about it? Back then can't tell you exactly. How would I know how you knew about it back then, there's a lot more to come out. This is not a meme. What what Europe they may feel that its gobbled eager, but its governing good, supported by about thousand pieces of evidence, none of which have been revealed. Yet I have an avid in my bedroom my gender actually the years as well as the lack of knowledge, and also that so there's a bunch of different things here and it all, is the continued self inflicted damage being done by Rudy Giuliani. First question did break the law by withholding this, posted evidence like it is as if, if he, if the evidence exists, right, and I know you guys all the first thing is

this, even in the universe of truth, if it is did Rudy Giuliani break the law by withholding this supposed evidence. That's question number one. Second question is he willing to present this supposed evidence in court while under oath, because all these guys in gaol for years claim to have all of this evidence here there, the other place, it's always eminently going to be released, and this will be Hillary Clinton undoing or this will be Joe Biden undoing, or this will be the vindication of trump. We ve got the evidence and then it never actually gets release or presented or introduced in any kind of serious way under oath in a court of law, are submitted as an exhibit, and it's very common for these right wingers to claim they have evidence and that its it's just about come out, and then we never see it and look at what happened with the twenty twenty election. They ve been claiming on the twenty Twond election that they have evidence. That's gonna just blow the socks off of this election it'll

Barcelona, it'll, flip Michigan reflect Georgia, it's it's. Mine blowing what they have. They ve been claiming it for fifteen months and it never does and If they have it, they ve also not included it in any of the court filings related to the twenty twenty election, all of which are found to be without merit, and its view very similar with other liars and drifted MIKE Pillow MIKE Window, the ceo of my pillow, he has mountains of evidence. He has cyber evidence. He has forensic evidence voting machine at all of this different stuff, and nobody has seen it. Nobody has seen it so then you have to step, stepped back and think about the political Donald Trump has been running against Hillary Clinton since twenty fifteen and he continues to run against her. Even though he's running for anything and she's not running for anything. He continues the Hillary Clinton stuff do when of us, believe that, if

De Giuliani had a thousand pieces of evidence against Hillary Clinton. It wouldn't have come out when Trump, actually running against her come on guys, it does make any sense, and this stuff plays really on the conservative news channels, but obviously they would use the evidence if they had it at any time during the twenty two The campaign during the twenty twenty campaign. Recently, the goal right now is distraction and distortion things. Not looking good for Giuliani things. It hasn't been particularly good week to two weeks for Donald Trump. What would the flushing documents dont down the toilet and all of these other, different things, and it is obviously sure, distraction, distortion, look at this shiny thing I claim exists, but there's no evidence. It actually does You believe that genuinely has evidence about anything honestly at this point. Find me on Twitter at De Pachmann, and let me know,

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even clear, she's really right wing. It seems that this is about a business model that she stumbled across it. She claims that used to be on the left now she's on the right. The explanation ever really make sense. This really seems to be, but mostly a business thing for her and will say anything I mean she said after Bob Zagat died seems like was related to the vaccine. Of course it was. There was no evidence of that, and now we know that it was actually a veto hit to the head. Absolutely no standard, sir. She will go lower, doesn't matter. She will say anything that that will get attention. She interviewed Eric Trump and there's a couple different things to pay attention to hear. One Is this interview you This is so important to understand this our view counts. As deep.

serious intellectual discourse, for the right and for Republicans at this point in time now? I assert that this is the epitome of problem I needed it is. This is trash. Work was discussion, but also look at the way in which they pander in this particular. First clip we're going to look at the religious wing of the Republican Party, but such a transparent way that not you, you would have suspend all disbelief and scepticism to think that Eric Trump is remotely serious about his religiosity. Here's. Let's just jump right in here, it'll all be made very we're here could have dinner with anybody dead or alive. You can't say Trump, you can't will ya promptly. You can't say your father, dinner with him plenty haven't Jesus Jesus I'll get so Jim this is who Eric? If you could, pick. Anybody to have dinner with he would have dinner with Jesus now,

We all know this is not a religious family. Trumped didn't go to church his didn't go to church? This is a character they ve developed since entering republican politics, but what gives it a way. Is this? Next part, take a lesson: sir I've got one right board you ask them, did you and vision this happening to the USA's America? Do you ever invasion a person as incompetent Joe Biden warning the United States of America? How in the world that this happened right you can tell how do these spiritual is from the core soon. He would ask Jesus and of course it all, but this is the sort of so fist facade that these eyes and gauss try to put up their well. no one other Jesus is the top per. And I would like to have dinner with really and what would you ask not what is the meaning of life? What is the origin of the

universe, where either not Why? Why does? Why? Does God allow bad things to happen? No, the question would be dead, ever imagine an incompetent, Joe Biden would be the president of the United States. That's the one question you asked Jesus. If you sit down with him it it's unbelievable. I mean it who could possibly fall for this stuff, but- they see this and they go. This is a religious family. This is deep, intellect we'll discussion honest. I might ask him if this is actually a ploy to show people the difference between I welcome leadership and democratic leadership play now, sometimes Selected Biden to show how much better republicans are. That's. That's obviously, that the conservative Jesus think about that innovation is. Is this part of any use Frankly, I just four years of in spite of everything, the try to do to destroy him again greatest unemployment,

manufacturing must come back to contrary remembered this. This is still all. What would you ask Jesus you now stability in the Middle EAST, the likes of which we ve never seen before, and you just go through all the applicants, then in about four three weeks, this guy comes in and you know, gas prices double and you have inflation in absolutely through the roof, and you have, the losses Civil effort, I mean. Not only should you ass Jesus about gas prices, ask about his view on leaded verses, unleaded and ask about ethanol to crime going forever. If you ve got Christmas. Presents I can't be delivered because Louis store shelter empty because it so you go get it. So did this this council serious discussion on the right and then it gets, crazier, where Eric Trump says that the key vaccine represents the stripping of freedoms in the country in a literal sense guy, the vaccine, which his dad invented according to what they say and should get praise for all

so is the literal stripping of our freedoms. A problem I have with it is contradictory to their own message, which is wrong but eve be consistent life and you can't waiver we single day, but I think, beyond greater reflection on kind of where we are as a mere, We are willing to strip your rights dear on health care, or what are they willing to do a religion when they want to do the second amendment? What are they going to do to our constitute really a deep thinker, as you guys can tell and I even Candice Owen seems bored by this by the way. If your watch- and we all know the answer to those questions- Raymond steeply scary- but Meat vaccine actually represent something. That's much good. More than a medical shot. You mean the vaccine represents literally the stripping of freedoms, this country. She now all of a sudden, Candice, Owens perks up now, she's nodding, yeah, oh yeah, the vaccine. That's it is the stripping of freedoms, exactly this guy's

obviously vaccinated like the whole Trump family like trump himself. He knows it works, he got the vaccine. This is the red meat stay on message which is deeply deeply deeply troubled, and you see it every single day. You see it as a rip, only statues of Thomas Jefferson, Abraham, Lincoln and George Washington, all over the country now, why are they doing really worthy? Why are we ripping our statute, because we want to rewrite history. They want to re write in our civil liberties. Have even this is like a distortion, because you guys know, and we we followed the the overall Coming, I don't even know. Maybe a lincoln statue was taken down. I dont know I ve certainly not heard of it, maybe a Washington's that I dont know anything. I have not heard that, but the holes Ouch controversy was really about confederate statues in schools named after prose every confederate generals, that's really what this was about, but they can't say that trumps sometimes would talk about it, but they can't really

That's how they see they're trying to erase Abe Lincoln, but all of this is a distortion all of it Want to re write our constitution, so they can make the very people that they ripped down. They can make them martyrs. Well, then, make the documents that they rode into CANA. In a martyr documents. They can changes documents right it gives them. They re ability are believe so anyway, as you can tell Eric Trump is not the smart one he's not the articulate one. What he sang is making no sense, and I guess he's trying to save you. Take a lincoln statue down. It justifies changing the constitution and, of course, the you mean about constitutional original is more the constitution as a dynamic document that should be considered in the context of the modern world. It has nothing to with Lincoln Statues, but they see this. This is the type of you do now. Eighty per cent of the discourse on the right is now see. Aren t bad, it's ok to be white. Dr Seuss's good Elmo big bird, what it, whatever the thing that ninety percent of it, the other ten percent- is this?

type of thing which to them is like as a serious discussion as you will get now. I am not advocating for the political views of the people I'm about to name, but just to tell you guys that It wasn't always like this go on Youtube and look up William F Buckley and some of his debates, when look up Thomas soul? I'm not saying these are people whose views I agree with giving you examples of the fact that there used to be a different type of thinking on the right, where you could engage substantively on issues more. The way that yesterday. When I spoke to former republican congressmen, Joe Walsh, we we were sort of able to do to some degree. It doesn't have to be this stuff, but that's all that's left at this point in time and if it, If it works for them, if it winds them elections, I can't imagine any real reason that they would change that are before we go to a break. We talk this week about

when Beck's reactionary, fear porn, as we talked about it on yesterday, show we also talk this week about Donald Trump flow. the idea of the death penalty for people who hebrew eggs, I guess committed crimes related to spying on his. I'm, which is not at all what was claimed by the Durham report- and this has become its own sort of ECHO Chamber story, Donald, appeared this week on the Glen Back Programme and on that programme? Again he talked about you know we were used to kill the people that did. the things that Hilary people are accused of doing as far as he is concerned. Let's take a look at just a little The second biggest scandal was when they spied on my campaign. They spied on my camp is no real evidence of that where there is now the blows Leslie says ride my campaign, and they can. I can I say something: you know this is sixty minutes.

You can put on things we can't hired on, because it's very whereby we can't load on things. We can very leslie these my campaign. We can't variance, find only verify it's been Let's go down and get the papers they light. Unlike in the papers, he flushed, maybe band, they got caught now and then they went much further than that and they got caught and you will see that Leslie and you know that. But you just don't want to know. As a matter of fact, I dont know dagger, ok, so that was that was from sixty minutes years ago and of course, Leslie Stalwart right. There was no evidence of what trumpets claiming, but now blend back is gonna. Pretend there is. We just don't have the facts? Well, Leslie. Now you do and President Tromp is here to discuss Perhaps why CBS and everybody else is not talking about this- welcome to the prompt they're, not talking about it, because Fox NEWS and right wing media have created a false story:

and there is nothing to talk about. That's the reality brand, President Donald Trump, Thank you learn great to be with you you so this is this pretty amazing. You are right when you said this is worse than a Watergate. This is far worse than Watergate, and it's not. We don't seem to have anybody in the mainstream media that cares about it at all. Well in Watergate, they broke into an apartment in Watergate daddy- took some things and nothing good about it and it turned out to be a disaster. Far bigger they broke into my abandoned all of that, but perhaps boasting Fortunately, the they broke into the oval office. they broke into the White House, at the highest levels. So illegal and are you now being somebody that those history, probably better than most anyone else

that would have been short time ago. It would have been considered treason and I agree you know I treated is punishable by and a longer time ago, it would have been punishable by death, when there it is again. We ran a tough country What you think, I wonder if the peddler. I wonder if there is going to be any punishment it all. With this I mean pillory. ok, so remember the people? Trump is talking about, have not been accused. never mind charged with any crime and Trump is talking about the death penalty. What happened here is that right wing media and the tramping wing of the region looking party exploded because of a court filing from special,

and John Durham, what they are saying Trump and others is that the there is definitive proof in the filing that Democrats, guess, directed by Hillary Clinton, illegally spied on Trump in twenty? Sixteen and in twenty seventeen. The truth is the file and does not allege espionage. It says a clue, engine linked lawyer Clinton linked lawyer and you have to then actually prove whether there was any active link between them at the time it is some associated with Hillary Clinton, historically obtained non public data from White House and trumps servers now if it happened as described, and you can indicate that a crime was committed, then the lawyer should be

charged. If you believe that there is an actual operational linked to Hillary Clinton, then you should demonstrate it and if their criminal liability, ok, but so you, you see we're already three or four levels removed here. and there is no actual evidence from the Durham report, there's almost first of all nothing new in the Durham report- it's not an indictment, it doesn't allow age criminal conduct, basically as an issue of conflict of interest, and what John Durham is saying is we ve discovered here potential conflict of interest His lawyer saucepan. He work that the law from Perkins Coy Perkins, Coy. represents the Dnc Hilary is a Democrat. There is a potential conflict of interest here that that's what It is fundamentally about so far, and I got a couple of emails from people in the audience in David. Why haven't you covered? This Fox news is all over it.

News is making you think Hilary is about to get arrested and indicted and imprisoned, she's not and Jen Trump is talking about the death penalty for people who have not even been accused of a crime. We're talking about conflict of interest that this point in time. So that's what it is you want to see. The clip Glenn back, will have it on our instagram. Would you can find it David Pachmann share? One of our sponsors is splendid, and now, if you're like me, I love planning my meals out for the weak, but sometimes I just run out of time to plan them for recent all day and splendid spoon makes that whole process a lot easier. They deliver fresh, delicious plant based meals right here door, ready to eat. No cooking. No cleaning dishes saves you a lot of time. You can choose from over fifty hot and cold meal options. Their smooth, these guys, noodle bull, soups, I'm a big soup guy. Many of you know that I also really liked the vague and meet balls,

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Today, we're gonna, be speaking with Edward Miller, whose a professor at Northeastern University, also author of the book, conspiratorial life, robber, Welsh, the John Birch Society and the Revolution of american conservatism really appreciate your time today. Eyes by play here. It's a great opportunity to discuss the Balkan to talk with you yeah so to speak with you know, we ve been thinking a lot about this line in conservatism that got us to where we are today and we could sort of start that story at a lot of different points in time. I think an interesting place to start by might be if we go back to Robert Welsh and the John Birch society to start kind of creating our understanding of how things got to be the way they are up. Who was Robert

Elgin and talk about his relevance to modern day conservatism, a little bit. What Robert Welch was a candy manufacturer from the south. He was arrested only from North Carolina, and he was very successful, candy manufacturer he created such childhood. Favorite says the sugar daddy and they junior ments and he he decided it was his career work was done for money, and then he decided to get involved in anti communist activity and establish an organization called the John Birch society. This organization tended to be of a conspiratorial, conspiratorial bent, with the major highlight being that Welsh believe that present

dies and our was a communist, which of course is is ridiculous, but he continued to establish this John Birch Society in it and it and it became the most powerful anticommunist organization in the in the early nineteenth sixties, late nineteen fifty's as I argue in the book, had influence even into the seventies during the the age of Reagan of which were probably sullen, and when we think about the Mccarthy, era and and sort of that region. generic fearmongering basis, on which you know that we need to be suspicious of people, would certain ideologies and we need hearings, etc. That paradigm, indifferent forms has has really purse

stayed throughout the twentieth century and into the twenty first among the American Right wing? Has it not all absolutely thee the the claims of treason that are act that were echoed by Mccarthy, that were echoed by William Jenner. He was another mother. Senator there were echoed by William Noland these these kind of aspersions, continue on into the Republican Party in in the present it didn't have to go. There way, in the sense that I mean, I think, an interesting anecdote is William F Buckley, who we don't have to beef, and of his or praise him or anything to to recognise that buckles instincts were very much anti go to the idea of Welsh

I think, in my understanding and this kind of red scare type stuff where Buckley seem to think that the right was going to do better by taking a sort of less reactionary approach. Is that accurate and why I mean did, did that sir? seed for a period of time until it again reversed or what's the history of that, I think it succeeded for a brief period of time, but back Buckley was an excellent order and a story, and he was a gate keeper of the far right and he was also this was his pet projects to create the conservative movement of the of the twentieth century and he saw a threat to the conspiratorial behaviour in the John Bert Society and it concluded that

was best the John Bert that Robert well to leave the organization or be settled, as he said, into thee, Torreon room were hit, you could do less damage and for for a long time we thought that historians we thought that Buckley had excommunicated Welsh, but I again to take a look at what was going on and what the John Birch Society had done after the period that they work,

traditionally known as being in exile, the period sixty six to sixty eight, but I found that I found in my research that Welsh change the organization focused on ad hoc issues through ad hoc committees and push pushed issues that became consonant with the Reagan revolution issues such as abortion issues, such as the equal Rights amendment, Anti taxation issues. These all became part of the part of the fabric of the of the Reagan Revolution and pushed their the Reagan revolution in that particular direction in the nineteen seventy saw, I found that works well was more signify get than we thought it seems to me that had the sort of

Buckley Wing One out you would not have seen. Maybe the tea party the Trump wave, Q and on even a lot the kind of modern outcroppings of this, the anti vaccine it it I mean it. can't say for sure, but it seems that those movements follow much more from the conspiratorial welsh side than from. Maybe what Buckley want it? Well, it. Of course we can we historically it's a tough. Yes, that's half, We can't determine with exactitude that that would happen. Conspiratorial thinking has become more popular in are in our culture ever since Watergate in the nineteen seventeen when, when the church Committee came out, it is

when the IRAN Contra Fair occurred in the nineteen eighties. When the you had figures like Alex G in Russia Limbaugh the ninety nine, these pushing their their views, but I think it's true that it if it was if it was just Buckley in and Welsh, was not part of the, part of the the scene, it probably would have a lot different. I'm curious to what degree, the realities of media and the development of the internet has as a role in all this there's this book waves of rancor, which a sort of a look at the story of how did talk, radio and am radio become right wing and the connection between churches and like low power, religious radio there, let others nitty gritty stuff, but it seems to me that the more can you're, a Tory Welsh type thinking lent

itself much better to the rating space and media space than maybe what Buckley was more known for and I wonder to what degree the realities of media influence the direction of the American right I think? not a doubt the the and the influence of the of talk radio, especially after the faintly the end of the fairness doctrine. You definitely see an increase in conspiratorial thinking. If you, if you take a look at how rush Limbaugh phrases conspiratorial thinking on a show he would just allude to something in the facts. You know I'd, say well

this, is what I read in the facts to avoid liable or something like that. But he did imply this conspiratorial thinking very, very casually, along with Michael Savage in and other other conservative radio hosts, who had who had adopted that tradition, Glenn back so that these figures are important as well. I'm not diminishing their role, but before all this comes Robert Welsh. Who is setting up this this way of thinking that this different way of thinking- and he is joined by other radio folks like dance moot, who is a Dallas,

EAST former F B. I d man who worked for HIV Hunt who comes to his own conclusion and concludes that it was not a communist conspiracy. Her say that was driving things, but an anti but a globalists. Conspiracy, guess that which is part the part of the language that you see in instead of a ban in politics. Today, speaking a knot of not have a conspiracy of communism but of a global is internationalists Well, she was speaking that language by the end of his life as well I mean I do is it's fair to say that right now the american right is as conspiratorial at as it's ever been, as indicated by, I mean in a recent polls of Republicans, more than half believe trump is actually the winner of the twenty twenty election, the degree to which

question whether vaccines work, whether cove it is real or Buddha. Would, however, we define is it? What is there? any time at which the bulk of the Republican Party believed things like this? I can't I can't and my in my knowledge of all of all the time in the nineteen Eightys and Ninetys seventies and Sixtys or think their early sixties. There was a significant belief in that particular area, action. The arm, but I think that the pan, the combination of the pandemic and the the

that trumps refusal to admit the reality that he lost the presidential election and his willingness to tell this to his his base. Continued taught it to its base has had a significant pact. So what can reverse the course of a this meant that is so committed to that type of thinking. I mean it. to some degree if they see losing, they would probably be forced into rethinking at. I guess, but I mean what sort of forces can really turn around a movement like that. Well, I always, but I always,

This is of great question, and I always consider this myself when I'm encountered with somebody, has a different perspective of from how I look at how I would look at something that I would see as not enough. Areas- I would you see it- is the mistakes of individuals or, let's take the loss of the loss of China in the nineteen fifty in the nineteen after nineteen forty nine many Republicans were blaming the Democrats for the loss of China and they were focusing on the treason of elected officials, dynamic

and George Marshall. Even numb, even Harry, true men and they were pinpointing, Welsh included were were pinpointing that Truman was a trader or at least anxious and and and martial were traders in this process. I am more apt to see individual mistakes and the fact that the chinese people had decided on Shanghai Shack in that particular case. So I look at it as an opportunity each time to talk to people on a personal level and in trade

speak to them about the his their history of it and if that doesn't work right right, I mean, I think, the question that a lot of people are kind of grappling with in looking at the direction of the Republican Party over the last six years in particular, and then even even just a little bit longer is sort of like what. The kind of end game here and part of it may be that this It's just an indefinite means like there is. There is not necessarily an end in the sense of its earlier. In the week we looked on the show it at a clip of Glenn back recently interviewing James Lindsey, where they are walking in extreme, like it's almost like a modern red scare type language about they're gonna put it If we're not in cages, we have to be ready to resist and it's just like it could be applied to anything. It's like. Are you talking about vaccines or Democrats or China or like what it almost is just this universal language. That's not super clear, but you're supposed to be very scared about it and it

seems almost like it's just a means to its own self preservation, rather than to some end. Yeah I would agree, I think I'll. I listen to a lot of the far right shows because his pardon job better. If we hear some of the things coming out of MIKE Window of the the pillow guy. Yet, for instance, is he still trying to overturn the ballots yeah. I've interviewed him and I'll tell you. He seems to be a true believer. I mean in my conversations with him off ere. He seems to really believe this stuff, ok to use with him? Oh yeah air, well yeah, that's fascinating see it was. I would yes, I would put it down as a truly and I would put Robert Welsh down as a true believe right. I have knows after reading this book, I have no sense that this was done for

histrionics. He wasn't doing this to earn money. He gave you gave every cent of his of his millions to to fight else and in a sense it is the Don Quixote of of the conservative movement, and but there are still some folks who are committed to this Cornered that we see as a canal in but how deal with that? I think we're all wrestling with that. It remains an open question for for sure the book is concerned. You're, a tutorial life, Robert Welsh, the John Burst society in the Revolution of american conservatism. We ve been speaking with the books author Northeastern University, Professor Edward Miller. Really, a priest

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right wing media rightwing media has been supporting and inciting the truck record boy making them out to be heroes. If you look on Twitter, there's all sorts of folks, including former leftists and right, wingers and so on, and so forth, saying this is just it's incredible freedom. These people are just doing an incredible thing. Never mentioning the rat go right, wing, nationalist and xenophobic routes. and organizers involved in the canadian trucker convoy now, mentioning that many of us mandates that they are supposedly protesting against are being slowly dropped anyway, as at as sort of logical based on what's going on with covert numbers that they're not doing any of that stuff. But this week something very interesting happened, which is Fox NEWS Programme, the five Harold Rivera. Who know what they say. Her, although he so he was a Trump guy, said a lot Things are don't make any sense, but every once in a while, her Aldo will fluids

open clock, that's right, o every once in a while he call out fox when they are. peddling, disinformation or inciting or spreading propaganda or whatever and her Although had the audacity, I guess we would say to tell the people on the five you guys have been inciting these protests. You guys have been inside of it. They don't have that much support in Canada. Let's take a look at it and the panel very, very triggered by her Aldo killing. It won't do you know it relates to that yet the true dough? In order to I understand that, in order to two uses national public Emergency ACT, parliament has to put his imprimatur on it within it. Wouldn't two weeks parliament has to vote on. My understanding is that there are people on Canada. How isn't gonna put ring this to an end? Not bad popular in Canada judge. Is this trucker this?

freedom convoy right. What about the freedom of the whole? No homeowners to live in peace, went about the freedom of the shop keepers to do business. What about Freedom of Harold when its black lives matter or the nebulous Antigua protesting. That's when you care about traffic people getting to work businesses that, when it's the trucker on boy: you don't you're not supposed to care about it or not, workers to get Ports are they do Jude Surveyors when they were burning down the federal Court House in Seattle we did my body had I condemned, and then the funny thing is that line plays well well judged. Janine really got him on his hypocrisy know her, although has been clear, no matter who's protest and he doesn't want destruction of property fires blocking traffic. whenever I condemn anybody who who feel so, he did it in one violently coward, that they can take away your rights to establish.

their rights rights are now taking away their taking away the right of the hall monitor sleep in peace, the little brother, the shopkeeper to do business? Where are you rightly order workers where these rights already taken away there? Now? What more can we do? Anything allowances say are set out in our neighbourhood and people who are also logging, the other night. They are actually being welcomed. You are, you are either conservative me one prettier talking's added at it is conservative media does that is, has gone from support to incitement. Furthermore, while awaiting the rights of others in Canada,

The days were inside the Paul's that I see the hub ledger Ipsos. These poles all show between sixty five and sixty nine percent of Canadians oppose through these Drucker true cause. This has gone on long enough. All that's impatiently, ebony internationally, we named the very short arise in lieu. No, no I'm! Actually I actually read do research. The research seems to have confused Gregg got felt very, very significantly, but her, although is absolutely right and then they start fighting about who actually more working class in this entire thing, Maxine, jiving giant out knows these workers or a year. Soulier scuse me and made them go to work every day. Call them essential, basely didn't provide them with what they needed and then in one stroke of the pen and know how funny used, because that's what we did in the United States to under Trump make them go to work. Don't you

the things they need, except by by you, know it's like pulling teeth, but they they were defending, trumps handling of covert Sundays, actually no longer essential workers yet barrier an essential, very rude, then it would have to respond to this. Incomes are also says: blanketed right wing media is inciting and its is essentially he's also implicating us, because we want, if any dialogue where you we at exactly right in her. Although was correct to do so, I'm ok with that, because the fact is we ve always been on the right side. We are not like the right. Sorry we're not the right, we're, not we're like her other. When you run the pole, nickel right, but not on the correct, sir. You were also which has disdain for the working class. I don T know what I am working, not Ben Ali right go drive and cheer. You had said that if the ears a hole in your charity than you'll you're, tired lie on one of my point is how you don't like these guys: humming a first aid, the

You know her, although has a lot of flaws, he really does, but the idea the reason her Aldo thinks the canadian Trucker convoy is nuts is because he I mean how old is her, although at this point it's gotta be close to eighty. Yes, seventy eight the idea that now seventy eight year old, Harold, though who has a veto, accumulated assets during the course of his life. The reason that he's opposed to the Canadian Trucker convoy and the inciting of the trucker convoy by Fox NEWS is because he drives a Bentley. If that true or because he has now has assets. There is no evidence of that whatsoever, and it's just so funny to hear these very people who, when it's convenient they for the rich guy from queens and they dont, about how trumps, due to totally disconnected from the average working class American when it's convenient. They ignore that. But then, when it's convenient They will herald, though, drives the Bentley and her other, really struck a chord here. He is absolutely right that these folks had been inciting and, at the end of the day, the the Canadian

broken voice, a reactionary movement. It's it's a reactionary movement day that they want to go to this. I quote merely the previous status quo, merely because that's what it was they don't want vaccine requirements, they don't they don't want anything. And, of course these things are going to fall off as we're already seeing them fall off, but that that it either with the police by the way. Oh, I should mention that there is a video which they here without audio of can the police shaking hands and hugging the trucker convoy people when you have the support of the police as well as of capital in your movement. You have to consider that it's a reactionary movement and It's not always the case, and I want to be careful about making blanket statements, but the idea that this is some kind of a working class opera. Rising representing the predominant opinion in Canada. There is not a single pull that suggest that that's what it is, and so

The main insiders of this entire thing have been american right wing meat, Ok, one little funny like Coda, unto the canadian trucker story My pillow, CEO, MIKE Wendell, has been barred from during Canada. Did this is it's you couldn't scripted? You couldn't scripted. If you, if you Klute at this in a screen play of this entire thing. It would really now it's not believable MIKE pill, as we know him has been on this problem, and the campaign to deliver pillows to the truckers, ok, and he sent a truck, which I guess got held up at the ball There are some some kind of customs thing, but then pillow I had to go to Canada and he was turned away because he was not fully vaccinated and didn't have a negative pcr test according to a government source, it's beyond parity and He knew the rules, or at least you shut and other rules. If he didn't and of where's. This was what was going to happen, but

he was not allowed into Canada, the fur how thing would have been if he'd, he'd get allowed in because he actually is vaccinated. You know how some of these right wingers, I mean Eric Trump. We looked at earlier in the show they they attack vaccines. They criticise vaccines, but that their almost certainly all vaccinated. It would have been like the perfect cherry. On top if pillow was actually vaccinated, despite claiming to be against the vaccine, and the latest thing that he's going to try to do is to drop the pill those from the sky to the truckers. for his initial Tuesday shipment of my pillow products was denied entry into Canada. Pillow now has a backup plan to get the pillows to the truckers drop them from the sky via a helicopter. It's not clear that that tax we even going to be a possibility as well. The MIKE pillow thing is:

It's a tragic comedy, it really is like all he had to do was keep selling pillows on tv and he would be doing fine, but had to mix politics he's make commercials now about being cancelled. His bank has cancelled his account because of reputational damage that they worry about, and I got a ton of method, from Canadians and are in our audience sing David. Please keep you're, not jobs in the United States. I have no dressed in sending pillow to Canada. Trust me. I have nothing to do with this, but just that the fight all sort of a bizarre detail with the MIKE pillow saga. we have a voice. Mail number. That number is to one nine to David P. Yesterday I spoke about Jamie Ruskin, the democratic congressmen as a potential democratic the dental candidates were Joe Biden not to run many of you liked it. But many of you agree the fact that Rascal is jewish will make it an uphill battle for how many of you acknowledging that here is the egg man agreeing with that.

Hey Dave. I really love any rash into his parliament. That's why he's not gonna ever be nominee for president. He can never wake me. Somebody sketchy somebody with more skeletons in their closet, nobody, like him out someday less use. They say that shallow rather yeah yeah. No, I mean, I think it's it's very clear that in current environment rascal would be to deal with a lot of anti jewish sentiment if he were to run by there is, I mean I know egg means being funny raw asking seems so clean, like maybe he d, have skeletons in his closet and I dont know about them, but you ten need someone with a history of like off color marks which become the source of controversy or family. drama or whatever I mean. Rascal story is just Saturday when one of his one of his kids died actually died, died by suicide, but he doesn't seem to have the types of skeletons in his closet. That does seem all

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