The David dragged Shout David Cameron died guarded welcome to the show I have some interesting clips, the play for you, some very important stories to discuss and one of the biggest areas of concern. That's really. It's really turned to kind of a mask off moment for much of the american right in the trunk in right is the degree to which all sorts of people in just following all over themselves, to defend Kyle written House. The shooter in Canosa with scorn in- and you might remember that last week, Tucker Karlsson. Sort of defended the vigilantes some of

I'll written house and, more recently Tucker Karlsson, interviewed one of the attorneys for Kyle Rittenhouse, I'm going to Tell- you about some of the other attorneys momentarily. It's quite a cast of characters, but when interviewed, this attorney essentially turned this into praise for what an accurate marksmen. And how controlled the behaviour of Kyle written House was that he didn't shoot more people given the situation. If you follow what his attorney says here, given the situation, less syrup. I was here a lesser man, a lesser kid would have maybe shot even more people than Kyle Rittenhouse did so check this out and by the way we're gonna get to this. But it turns out that written house, his other lawyers. Are women play video of John Pierce Kyle written how

other lawyer appears to be a q and on conspiracy, theorist like every Detail is insane, but let's start with attorney John Pierce. Talking about what Kyle Rittenhouse did is just amazing Kyle, the only individuals, the Kyle shot were the three individuals that were attacking him and prayed him at risk of serious bodily harm. Death. This is a seventeen year old kid. This This is amazing. So let me ask you this. I think. That's it. That's a fair point. He didn't shoot indiscriminately and in in I'm take your word for in the first one cause I haven't seen the video, but that in the second too, I have seen the video one guy. ACT and the other guy would eat some. It's it's amazing what he did wooden, but is that even mean amazing not the word that I think of like it's amazing. He didn't shoot more people that the argument is that an argument that you could make with a straight face in a court of law

and I want to raise the reverse the framing just just for a second here you are, going to see them actually portray part of they ve shown some of their cards they are going to try to portray Kyle Rittenhouse as a law abiding militia dude, who was merely keeping the peace there are going to try to make this seventeen year old. Who is too young to even be carrying a gun. In this way, in with legally they're going to try to make him into the good Samaritan, because he was out there helping. He was helping out there and, of course, it. Did this actually to some degree, reminds me of the George Zimmermann scenario, with trade on Martin where, when a vigilante claims self defense, it's like a bad

graver robber, saying the teller got aggressive during the bank robbery or, like George Zimmermann saying I had to defend myself. In a confrontation with trade on Martin, which I created by being a cop wanna be in my neighborhood watch group or whatever it was. It was that he was doing years ago. So that's attorney John piercing. It's amazing. He this guy's a hero rather than criminal. Then we have other lawyer, one of the other lawyers for Kyle written House whose completely out of his mind. I'm talking Bout Lynn would Lynn wood is part of a an organisation called the fight back foundation, which is about using lawsuits to stop but the lies and smears of the radical left and Lynn would set on Twitter that the fight back foundation is

to be funding, Kyle written houses, defence team- did they ve got donors holding this kid, as a hero and funding his defence team and Linwood Twitter Profile has the hashtag Will you w g one w g? You might be wondering what the hell is, that it's a q and on thing and its then for where we go one. We go all it's a line from the ninety ninety six Jeff Bridges sailing venture White squall, which they miss a tribute to President Kennedy. It's crazy, but it's a q and on a hashtag- and I mean you know, stepped back for a moment what better way to make these killings. Into political events, then, to have a political organization represent the killer debts effectively. What these lawyers are Pierce would the attorney

I played a clip of earlier- was put on leave from his law firm, then called Pierce, Bainbridge Back Price and Hecht after a report found that he excepting money from a lender for personal use and Supposedly it was four million dollars a month before he was put on leave. There was a lawsuit from a former partner accusing employ at the company of financial and sexual misconduct as well as sexual assault. I mean it's like that. There's just no depths to did depravity. Everybody involved in this situation and he's being represent Kyle written house is by a group who are as shady, as you would expect in a situation like this word, seem to be seeing this more as an opportunity for self promotion than to good than an opportunity to do. Good legal work I now I guess I should mention- there's a good,

Hence there going to be able to muddy this up in the process of defending Kyle written. How His lawyer Linwood is saying you know he didn't actually transport the gun across state lines. He got it from a friend as if that's a defence, of course, that means the and committed a felony by giving a gun to someone under eighteen. He then aided and abetted by by loading that Gun Kyle. Written house, of course, was illegally in possession of that firearm in the state of Wisconsin. It's illegal for anyone under eighteen to have a weapon in Wisconsin, even though its an open carry state. Kid should have known that, but he Didn'T- and pay attention to that and killed two people. So there is a lie: of really ugly stuff. Here, that's not even being mentioned, but they are trying to and partially succeeding at turning this get into a hero and people are donating to his legal defence fund, the lawyers or out of their minds, and this could be- I mean, listen. The justice system needs to work its way, a work. It's process

but there is already some really ugly red flags going on here. Hey this is cut. Interesting and I think it's a good opportunity for an important discussion. Msnbc hosts joy and read a joy reed. I guess she goes by now. On Tuesday she was accused of Islamophobia for some remarks that she made on the Monday evening programme where she kind of equate. Radicalized Trump supporters to Well, the way Muslims ACT and, of course that doesn't sound good and she is rightly being criticised- and I think this was actually a missed opportunity- to bring something to the forefront. That is a really important discussion to have so. The set up is that they having a panel on her programme about President Trump, not denouncing his supporters role in the vote. In in being violent at protests in Canosa and in Portland,

and after noting how Trump liked a tweet praising vigil Andy Kyle written House and cheering proton Trump demonstrators in Portland Reed I had to make a point about the president radicalizing his base and its sounding like. The way Muslims act. It doesn't sound good and it wasn't good. Take a look at the video when one thing when leaders, let's say in the muslim world, talk a lot of violent talk and encourage their supporters to be willing to commit violence, including on their own bodies, in order to we are against. Whoever they decide is an enemy. We in the Eu S media described that as they are radicalizing those people, particularly the radicalizing young people. That's how we talk about the way Muslims act. When you see what Donald Trump is doing. Is that any different from what we describe as radicalizing people.

I don't believe so. So joy red is being rightly criticised here because she saying oh so all Muslims are radical. Which were she says, the most radical trumpets lists are like Muslims generally and, of course, that couldn't be further from the truth you ve got over a million Muslims, the overwhelming man, overwhelming majority, as we all know are not radicals and they're, not violent and all of that stuff. But there was really an opportunity here to have an important conversation. The conversation to be, add and I would have been with only a slight change too. Earning joy. Red would have been able to do it. The conversation is. Extremism starts to look the same any time religious fanaticism or caught like behaviour is at play and when you look at right wing Christians and the most extreme movements within rightwing Christianity, when you look at radical islamists

when you look at Trump called this with guns. They are all very similar. The cult like reverence to whatever, sometimes it's God, sometimes it's a religious leader. Sometimes it's a cult leader, sometimes it's in the case of I'm elected official. That is a real consideration and in fact it's part of the conversation where, when we talk about political violence, you often see it categorized as right wing violence. Including stuff like militias in sovereign citizens in white Nationalists, eco terrorism, like meaning that the small slice of political violence that would be based on things like climate defence, on the left, very rare and then islamic political violence. I made the case for years that, if you believe religion should be the Supreme LAW of the land and you are willing to go and commit violence in the name of religion. Doesn't really matter what religion that is. That's almost certainly

right, wing violence, so I've been saying for awhile radicalism. Violence is right wing and you look at the precepts and the beliefs of radical Islamist and compare them to radical Christians and white nationalists, who are often influenced by Christianity, the really almost the same different details internally, and the really all right wing. So I get why joy red is being criticised. She didn't addressed this the right way. She simply said this is how Muslims which sounds actually saying. This is how all Muslims act and its important too. Number that when we on the left talk about this, I never say all Republicans acts all trumpets. Why we don't say all Muslims acts, of course, and the missed opportunity here would be to say what we are.

Talking about here, is that radicalism all starts to look the same. We should be able to apply the same language to it when we talk about Trump radicals, muslim radicals or whoever Congresswoman Ill Han Omar tweeted about this same quote. Honestly this kind a casual islamic Serbia is hurtful and dangerous. We deserve better and an apology for the painful moment, for so many Muslims around our country should be forthcoming. It is hurtful and its unproductive, but it should be ok to talk about how all extremism starts to look very similar in a way that Syria, and in a way that silver sober, so joy, red, missed an opportunity to say these radical trumpets show the same type of radicalization that we see in all radicals, including radicalized Muslims, who these radical trumpets claim to oppose. They are more similar in act then they would have you believe that has to be ok to talk about. I believe that if Joy Reed had couch

In those terms, it would not have in the backlash that it received. A radical is a radical, doesn't matter befits based on race, color, creed. Politics is article is radical and it all starts to look the same. Let me know you think I'm on Twitter at De Pachmann remember to get the daily audio podcast on Spotify Stitches Itunes, wherever you listen to your podcast

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for. What's your name and where are you calling from hello dating a one? Sided Johnny get you back were ok there, I'm here they. This is day calling from Dallas Texas and thank you for taking my call. So whenever people get on unemployment, they typically don't get a full budget. I think they get something like sixty or seventy percent. So when I heard the first hold it ever going to be given extra six hundred dollar two people on unemployment, I've seen never going to give people the difference between their pay check, and you know what they would govern. Unemployment up to a maximum of six hundred dollars right. Tell us! British outnumbered ever gonna give everybody an extra six hundred dollars, and I think that now there looking it maybe even extended, so I think a better use of that money would be too, of course, give unemployed people. There are the equivalent of therefore paycheck, but then use the rest of that money.

There may be some small business owners and the self employed who, in many cases at seeing your income dropped dramatically and in some cases, had taken away complete because they were forced to shut down entirely. So I'm just wondering if you think that's the best use well so remember Dave that the it turns out that There was money left over in the PPP fund as far as I am most recently saw, so there was actually no you're at your idea of take some money out of unemployment and giving it a small businesses. Small businesses didn't even scooped up the money that available. So it's unclear to me that that's really the solution now what it sounds like your concerns and I understand the concern its should any

but he be making more on unemployment than by working. That seems to be the fundamental concern you have right now she is dying. Not fundamental concern is that with the PPP call them, that's it s really helping the employees as well to seventy. Five percent of a PPP law has to be used to pay your employed as direct their business owners. Only get twenty bucks, so good, a business owner only helped it governs opting opera doesnt owners is dead, on the low interest, SBA loved and maybe happening with twenty five percent on your wet. But are you telling me? I mean a lot of a lot of that is forgivable. Remember so it's not it's not alone in practice, but I think I'm now better understanding of what you're saying, which is the p p would allow you to keep your employees on and pay them, but it doesn't generate demand necessarily

for what you're selling and your business revenue may be in the tank. What if them some of the money could be used for that instead yeah but ill? I guess what I'm talking about tourists. Things, like you know, the guy who used to cut my hair Mercedes, took up my Erics, I'm not gonna, get my urge. Yeah you're right, it is business, is gone automatically. I know a lady whose, to Algeria event planning business. She has literally no business now right now. She or business is gone. My wife, for example, those affected in company that suitors depend on people travelling for having to go to a job any nor Doll taken up Miller for businesses down seventy percent right now, so now David usually did you know that? Whoever for myself, I know your view concerning oh proprietors here. I don't if you knew, but the unemployment benefits were expanded to include sole purpose. It and people who work for themselves who normally would not qualify for unemployment, and I think that that's important.

Y know if you knew that I did not know that guy s legal representatives and asked him what they were doing to help people like my love, yeah an up, and you still basically about the people alone, and I point out jumble- that's really not for the then told your that's really for the employment of Muslim right now I know it. I know like, for example- and I know I know social media consultants who just work for themselves who have gone on unemployment and they would not normally be able to, but but They were, I mean, listen. The details are arbe in some cases, not perfect but overall the situation is a mess. I dont think that the government has done nearly enough when you compare it to other countries, but it seems, like you know, on the details, are certainly talk about it all day. Let me ask you: what do you think that at least that is how such hundred extra dollars actually kind of Fiji under the conservative nerd that democratic or socialist, who want a boat people not to work? Better,

the thing about it. I will say: well, it's the Trump administration who did it and its trump. Who said that he was very much in favour of it. So I guess this is trump. The socialist is what I would say to them that I agree with you design. That's what that's why I'm conservatives about spin it don't? I can say jobs the soldiers, I'd say I tell him if you don't like it vote Trump outcast trumps, the guy who did it. I agree with that, does actually to turn back on that and other who I let you go Gladys make one other to a comment on something I've been here and you in a lot of other people, say keeping people say that bypass the one in the landslide that this has to be a decisive victory. You know in my lifetime I don't think I've ever heard of the public and said they had the winning a landslide think they think they have when they just think they have to convince us that they won by at least one book right. I think it's great to say we have the wind the landslide. Maybe you guys should also

the Wendy Caviar did at the end of the day, just like the Republicans. All we have to do is when, even if it's only about one, though, why anybody we only have to the wind by one vote, it would be better to prevent Trump from doing more of his shenanigans to win by more than one vote. But you are completely right. You only need to win by one hour a day from I must thank you for the call. I appreciate it a lot of a lot of important issues there. Let's go next to our or from the five zero eight area code, five away. What's your name where you calling from all? Can you hear me

yes, I can who's this year. I am out of promoter and at what it Bob. I think that is a big fan of your soul for many people like ten years now. Thank you. It's just for the past couple of years. I have been quite disappointed with your Russia investigation coverage. You really do you don't seem to put your feet to put out there to your viewers, counteracting evidence that discredits alot of it, though the Russia Gate narrative that pushed by the Democratic Party I'm on the left. You I promise

I just I just think that is put a path couple years. This is like a bitter conspiracy theory. That's not really based on a lot of back. Ok, so item can wait. Let's go down! Look as you saying a lot, and we want to make this a conversation. What specific surgeon have I made that was incorrect, it'll be well. You use your last with Russia video. What about that? It's not a hoax. That is that it is not because I was coming to Croatia that came out about Paul man afford it, but they did. They tie ratification. What thought it for projects

We know so Adam, let's, let's, let's just deal with that. So the the the recent video was an analysis of a report that was put out by the Senate, Select Committee headed up by a Republican, Richard Bur, which confirmed most of the initial suspicions about interactions between the, from campaign and Russia in the time leading up to the election. Now, for you to say what you, ok, God, you're saw with Paul metaphor: kill, kill him the great that's, that's one of dozens of components. Yes, what way, what did you know? all made up, but once doing in Ukraine, he was doing a lot of my friends hangs over a long period of time, but I think I dont know if which ones which things you're talk

about how the relevant to what's in the report, where it is relevant, because there's the narrative out there that that Paul man a horn it it came up network like worked more time to put its bidding or the body the accord hold on out of hold on a second did. I say that it or what are you bonding to right now, because I dont say that in the clip you just mentioned to me, when I say in the club is red: the Senate Select Committee report, and you will see that if your expectation was trumpet Putin are gonna get caught. Video colluding. That obviously did not happen and it's not what the outcome is going to be. But if you look at the regular connections and interactions between the Trump campaign and Russians

they are confirmed by the report. Now you can disagree with the report, but that's not me right. I'm just telling you it's in the report adopted by one. What I want I counteracting is your assertion that proves that not all Of course it's not going to absorb out how would it be a hoax when you seen countless arrests and essentially everything that was seriously alleged with ever and proven either in the Mola report or in the Senate Select report. If you're trying to cartoon a five year, the claim, if you're trying to say, listen David, you were expecting trumpet Putin to get caught in bed together colluding and for Trump to be removed. Then I would say I never said that I dont know who was saying that, but maybe you should talk to them, but did you it sounds like you're saying it was a hoax when every serious investigation has turned out that it was not a hoax. Now, if you're saying, does it

matter, if you're saying does it is relevant to trumps reelection or whatever, I'm probably right there with you, but to say it was a hoax seems completely without evidence of away. I'm not I'm not say I'm not saying that the investigation itself is maybe just maybe just what I'm saying is that you do that with all made a point of Kim kill her neck. It does so. What is the connection with the russian people? Kill him Nick? You want to see the pet apartment Intel sword with hung without two hundred pages, that that might that Europe itself had that described. Killer met at the third with intelligent source for the: U S, deep apartment right by people, but it was the UN's campaign chairmen who was breathing him on the campaign. It was not those we're not in who

then that would be an argument for american intelligence to be dealing with him in some way, and if you want to claim that they should have been than you gonna go ahead and talk about that. But that is not only. Do they automatic according the propriety of that interaction, they were better partner. States wanted one can, of course urban community. It there's all my main problem with this. Is Russia narrative besides, it is not based on reality. People, I used to get to describe crop at a puppet of Russia, but had and hold on a second hold on a second hold on a second who is doing that because this is not even an issue. I mean on my programme. This hasn't even been an issue for for like a year and a half at this point and were focused on what,

we want to vote for Joe Biden or Donald Trump and the failed handling of Corona virus Emmy. You seem so wrapped up in palm man afford and stories from a year and a half ago who's talking about this now who's making this the issue for the election like. What are you trot? Do you trying to get me to say I was wrong about everything, find specific claims. I was wrong about, but so are you not listened things? I haven't even said, I'm not saying I'm, not I'm not here to own you, I'm a barren of your I get it, but you said we are disappointed in my coverage and so far you using a listed things Adam held on youth, listed things that I have not said as why you're disappointed with me the act that are disappointed that you have been pushed back on this a lot of the cause you up was back on order up like a lot o more accepted them. Add please read them it that women, but I agree with you on those it's just that in here you have a blind

Bob, because a lot of fact I just don't add up to what I'm looking for dealt with them. Things are tell me, tell me, and I what I've repeat tell me what I ve been working on for our eye I got your. I appreciate the phone call. Ok out, he hung up. I very good. I mean it's like what so. Ok I just don't know where to go without. I really doubt, let's take a quick break, it holding don't hang up, because we will be right back on the phones momentarily David show determined to do

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in fifty starting with our collar from the Tuesday Road to area code who's, calling today from two zero to hide me: honey, yes, whose us I mean it. I mean an owner and unclear the deeply area like I'm looking for some color love, em and wondering if you have any advice or worse, but my focus that few months leading up to the election I happen friend, who baby book book abided arbitrary way them. I did because their unindicted side, with the fact that he is not adopting enough or adopt by adopting Enough the grassy policy- that if my poor mother say because there are the allegations against him, they feel they can't, but for him hold on which not only that, but at what allegations sorry Harvey delegation. Oh you at you have friends who were sing now, ins in September that they camp

four Biden because of the terror red allegations yeah. Ah, while until I probably Britain, I don't want to have to debate that was done, but so many up, I should even trying to talk to them, or why should I because I am getting involved with organizing programme other states right, opting they'd like completely and back again so, should I just put my energy there will, I was going to say, allowed the these friends of yours that they don't want to vote for Biden because of terror. Reads: allegations what we're voting? I like it that eliminate the area. Mostly there, though, but I view having fun for college, I would your college in a swing, faith and so listen. We ve got. We ve got weeks left until this election. I would not waste any time,

arguing with people who are voting in Washington DC number one Washington DC is gonna, go overwhelmingly to Joe Biden. It's an exercise in futility and frustration. So right off the bat save yourself the time chop that completely out of of what you're working on now brought any is interesting? I think that there may be maybe there's an opportunity to get involved in Virginia, but the truth is that, right now, with phone banking, you can decide to help in any state. You want to help, and if you want to, if you look at the judge, the Georgia numbers- and you say wow Georgia's closer than it normally is: I'm gonna help phone bank in Georgia to get out the vote, because it'll force trump to have this resources there. Maybe you do that. Maybe you say well: Wisconsin is a likely state to be the difference maker Alec, totally I'm going to phone bank there. I wouldn't waste

my time arguing with DC voters who aren't gonna vote for Biden. I just wouldn't everything to waste the time right and ok that make us we're. Oh thank you so much. I do really appreciate your advice and I said I haven't getting involved then in a complete in much of the kitchen that beautiful all right thanks Eleanor appreciate the fungal yeah me. Listen guys at this point. I don't know that I, when half the country doesn't vote, I dont know that I'd be arguing with anyone. Even in the key states. Don't argue with people just identify the people who don't like trump and explore to them. How important it is to vote and how easy it can be to vote. I think that's a much better investment of time. Let's go next to our caller from area code. Seven hundred and seventy four who's call today from seven seven four, and where are you calling from just as importantly, a David? I was MAX Roma hop into MAX hot Knowlton, but you know

I've never been to Hopkinson, but I do see the signs on the turnpike. What what is happening Hopkins and like I like a small little town, small fee, mass town at the start of the boss in their usual, how most people know about right, all right, very good, but what's on your mind today, so I know you've been stressing like a lot about how you know we should, I guess I'll get by in an office more so to get trump out and I've always been told, like my whole life, how you know everyone's adult matters, but I've been told by the same people how they both might not matter. If you vote independent and understand that, in the context of action. You know your answer is gonna, be different, bows wondering what your opinion no my vote. My my position is the same. Every election every vote

is no matter who you vote for or, if you dont vote. The question is: what is your political objective and does your vote support that objective, or does it take away from it so because we have a first past the post voting system rather than single transferable boat or other rank choice, voting systems etc? If you dont like Trump and you vote third party you're helping Trump in a practical sense. Now, if you vote in a state that, like Massachusetts, which will go to Biden, you can make the case that you're not really helping Trump by voting Third Party and that's a respectable case to make, and then on top of that, what would be different this time around is given that Donald Trump is so likely to claim it was rigged. I think it's important to try to run the score up in blue states and in red states. Whether Biden has a shot or not. Let's try to build the largest number of of just raw

vote totals we can forge obeyed, and so it's not. I disagree with the idea that its different this election- I think your vote always matters and not voting matters. It has an effect and we need to understand what that effect is only awful ivo belet. Great answer will appreciate a log. Welcome one more our. I thank you. So I very much appreciate that things looking very solid from the city point of a million subscribers as of right. Now we are at a nine hundred and eighty thousand subscribers, so we may have very powerful news on that for people sooner than later, let's see who else is hold How about the five zero nine area code, I'd love to hear from our collar and Five, zero, nine! What's your name where you calling from

five, zero. Nine. I can hear some background noise. There are no know if you're aware I'm talking to you, hello, hello, yes, that's you! Yes, you! five own idea. How well he didn't have gotten occurred here. I was just curious. I just listen to the new package are paid from what might happen oh look and I must say I dont understand. I'm sorry, I don't understand a word you're saying it sounds like you're coming to me from underneath the towel wit, you listen to what now stimulus website about day. In the website called Huckelby it- and I would you care- because you said that

Better dumping allowed these criminals money into the stock market. Europe is back market, but right about what to do even without the Bible movement. This is a website called hustle bitch. Yeah and you dont stimulus that big? Ok, And the argument is that it's bad, that the government is pouring money into the stock market or just that, that's what the government not only me eat any evening. There is now a geishas tat, the dead are dumping or who loved this gimlets money. He read is that prices up and everything else into jump on the other a bear, much Eugene or whatever his name is double the amount of money into them again. Well be counterparts much. She's attic I relied matutina of right he's he's of loose can and you never know what mature will do, but I guess they gave up and up the coffers. Misstep can keep a stock market prices up and not going to look into a package that any I guess they ve dumping tell you can do it,

the allegation that your turn. I just wondered if you heard anything about a cue. Yes, so certainly multiple ways in which stimulus money is used to prop up stock market prices that they eat? That's apps, lately happening now the junk bond specific arguments that you're talking about, I am less familiar with, but I dont know website you're. Referring to I do, I don't know exactly what the allegations that are being made our but early. If you go back to my tweets at the very start of this entire stimulus, one of the things I was meeting about was how the stimulus is being used to artificially prop up the stock market, so that that passes the sniff test. For me, what woman the thing is with policy doing what he's doing now. I'm kinda really angry added, but absolutely that step. I dont know she brightness knocking now hold on a circular migration you're talking what specifically you. Referring to that Nancy Policy did

between the argument is that between them in the Republicans stuff about the stimulus packages is that I was going to get an angry at her, not getting something board in everything else and going. Well, maybe he has a good here are not doing it because of what they're doing over the republic inside right. What ain't. You vote I'm curious waiting at Washington perform ones that are very good. Ok, I really appreciate the call. Thank you yeah, I want you to get more information about for me, so I could be more goin. I will amount to look into that. Thank you. I think you are right to cure. Ok, let's go next to our holler from the for one zero area code who's calling today from for one zero. Given money, did you say TIM or gin,

with a J Jim with J, all right, what's Goin on June, at isolating the coroner otherwise stand out in your well. Thank you. I am just going to get you read on the coup and on staff, and I am curious to see what percentage of the right is. The EAST Europe is on board with some of that stuff, and I have only just kind of started to hear about your non stop him. It seems problematic of curious what your readers on, how how much you might say that on the record of you, so I dont have any independent assessment, but it is only this week. I interviewed Alex Kaplan for media matters and Alex said that were probably talk. About millions, but not tens of millions that that's the current assessment that Alex Had- and I wouldn't I would be no

for him on that, and that seems about right. If you look at sort of like tweet volume and Facebook group up and remember, some of these movements seem larger when you're looking at the internet, but the really not that big- and you know We saw that what we ve seen that will allow different movement. I think this is what surprised lot of people during the democratic primary. How did Joe Biden get all these millions of votes? Well, if you just look on line the sort of Bernie EO see left scene, bigger than it actually is, and that's not upraised criticism. It's just a reality. I think that that may make q on seem like a bigger thing than it is, but it certainly seems to be in the millions but short of tens of millions yeah yeah. I know you don't think that necessarily it might have on it. Might it might not have a massive impact on the sort of you won't be that sort of ownership as much

One might think paper headlines in the actual voting in in the popular vote in total no but remember that there's twenty candidates, that our cue and honest created on the ballot in November, two of whom seem to have a real on winning again according to what Alex Kaplan told us earlier this week. I think, if you get to queue and honours in the House of Representatives, that's going to start to take on a little bit of a different picture right. So you would think, then, that most of the conservative based more moderate or do you think, is all bright, something that all maybe a larger part of the constituency or no here's the learning to read them. But when you have something like Q and on it, it doesn't really help us to assess. Where Republican Party is in general, because these are really at least for now. This is a relatively small group. These are outliers. These are sort of its like a it's, a slice of trumpets and trumpets, or a slice of the room,

Publican party, so I dont really think that q and non existing tells us much about the broader dynamics of the Republican Party, but you getting to something that I think is really important witches. Whenever Trump leaves weather it's in January or January of twenty twenty five whenever that is what happens to the trumpets that are left over, and how does that manifest? in the Senate and the House of Representatives in governors, mansions, state, Senate's, etc, and it's more of an open question, but I wouldn't make any assessment of the Republican Party from Cuba Non really yea and a lot of Santa And- and I think you know I just building on that- you would say the majority of the public and maybe are arm or more moderate or more reasonable than sort of those fringe groups, so that aid,

Well, listen if the! If the standard for the Republican Party has become a very radical over the last twenty years, if we're compared to queue and non, then ok, I don't. I don't think that The majority of the Republican Party does not have the beliefs of Cuban on, but they have their own radical beliefs in their own way, sometimes their radical religious belief. Sometimes the radical authoritarian believe sometimes there just really widely d that cannot make ideas. So it's not like a bail out for Republicans that they're not all is crazy as Q and on. If you know what I mean wreck yet totally yeah yeah, that's great and I think the comparison of the air Sea burnished seems relevant to me, but I do feel regret. The similar sort of dry action of the party on our side of the ILO as well, or I think the dynamics are very, very different because some of these extreme movements, some of these extreme movements, exist on the left, where they're so extreme that there are not even really on the spectrum of net and sort of like the normal political

backroom were queuing on his wacky. It's like this PETE, these pizza gaiters and that type of thing for the most of our like the Bernie EO, see wing of the Democratic Party. There mostly voting Joe Biden, they understand Biden closer to them than Trump, and it makes sense to remove Trump that like a normal way to interact with the political system. Here in Massachusetts. We had these primaries. Everybody I know who supported Joe Kennedy or Alex Morse is now tweeting in posting. That, like ok, are person loss but were basically voting for Marcie and Richard Neil, because their better than the alternatives, most people operating in that way. A lot of the queue and on people are in a

really different universe, where they're, not even on the political spectrum, in a normal way right up. So so how? Then? How would you compare? Can you give me more sort of? I get clarity on how you compare the Bernie Sanders type of of spectrum you're talking about who the queue and, unlike did do you think of the UN and Bernie. Are closer to two hundred and like the queue at arms, or do you think I will think it? I just think it's the wrong analysis. I dont know that you get no conspiracy, theorists, it's very tough, to put them on the political spectrum. I mean look at Anti backs as an example yeah people that end up as anti backs on the right, because their skeptical of government and you have people and up anti backs on the left, because their skeptical of businesses and they share

their anti vat sentiment? But if you say where, all day on the political spectrum, their boat they're all over it and some are not on it at all, like they're, not political other than they are anti backs. So I just don't think we can really analyze it in such a sensible, rational way. Yeah gotcha air lock them go. I can't think our task here, but all right. I appreciate the phone call. He of course thank you, think my colleague David thank greatly hear from you, we are going to go to a break and we will take calls again very very soon.

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in October surprises don't really work. I'm not so sure about that. If you look at James Commies decision to do a second Hillary Clinton press briefing at very tail end of the twenty six the election I mean there were so many factors that affected that election, but it's hard to say that that had no impact when you look at George W Bush is Bin Laden speech and announcements of right before that two thousand for election in which he was narrowly reelected, arguably with a small victory in the state of Ohio. Although there were some allegations of foul play there in Ohio, I dont know we can write off an October surprise. Now that being said, when more people vote by mail early, it does diminish the possible impact of an October surprise, changing the outcome of any state, for example, or of the the total election because there are fewer people left to vote right, the more if fifty percent vote before October fifteen- and it's not gonna happen but imagine

Then what happens between October fifteen in the election can only possibly impact half of the electorate and instead of the entire thing. Now. All of that being put aside, I still think that an announcement about a vaccine from Donald Trump sometime in October. Is going to be the way the move so to speak, and I have already said if indeed a vaccine is approved in October and, let's not near there are people who write to me, and they say if true, if there is a vaccine approved in October, I would be worried. It's not really safe. That's not really my concern. I dont think Trump is going to announce a vaccine. That's not actually been approved. I think trumps gonna try to take credit that vaccine announcement when it will have nothing whatever to do with him. It could be a vaccine developed in the UK, for example, the Oxford bat vaccine, which is being discussed. It could be a vaccine that there has been around or in development for some time for poultry corona virus.

It has now been modified, which could be the one eyed that doesn't seem like it. But the point is not It would have anything to do with Donald Trump, and yet he will announce it as if it is his accomplishment, and I feel I use the term Monday. Some people liked it. I fear that, because of the portion of the audience, that's intellectually compromised, I fear it could actually swing a little bit of the vote. So that's my top. If you say what would you bet on if you had to bet on what the October surprise would be It would be Trump trying to take credit for a vaccine or some kind of really effective treatment. For example, if one is found a beyond that, there's the the old, faithful ideas of some kind of conflict, this is kind of chaos. Pr, usually it's a foreign conflict, that's used

to justify re electing the president. We have not changing horses midstream with tramp. He seems to think that its generating chaos within american cities that is going to be good for him. Whether he would scale that up in October, we don't know whether it actually helps him is not really clear. I think certainly possible that it activates some of his key constituents, but you're going to have to wait on that. Now again it could I mentioned earlier there's going to be more of mail in voting absentee ballots than their typically are, and that could reduce the power of a possible October surprise. The other side of it is that messing with the voting itself could be the October surprise. It would necessarily be done in public, although hopefully we would, You're it out the trouble with Trump lying. All the time is that. No one believes you eventually and thus there could be the possibility that Trump comes up with some new Obama Gate or Trump makes it

aim about a virus treatment or whatever, and nobody care because nobody will believe it, or at least not enough. People will miracle cure. You know a boon. Who knows what it could be. The real surprise would be him figuring out a way to secretly mess with the election that we don't detect and the surprises. Everybody thinks there's no surprise when, in reality he's finding new and novel ways to mess with the election. That's what I'm most scared of followed by just taking credit for a vaccine and some people actually giving him credit for it. David! You ve mentioned before the idea of police having to live. In the communities where they are policing. Do you think this should be made a requirement, so there's a couple complications with that way. When I gave my list of here's, how police be reformed. One of the things I mentioned was requiring some portion of the police department to live where they are policing

now, if you think of a really big city like New York City, you could be policing the Bronx but living in Staten Island. And if you understand the sort of class and racial dynamics of that you might not think that that's fantastic, but putting aside some specific examples, I think that the idea of requiring a percentage of police to live in the city where they are working is a good idea. The problems include number one: a lot of police don't live where they police, because they can afford it, and so, if your paradigm is the funding police, unfortunately defending police is often inconsistent with requiring police to live where they are policing and in fact, if you really want to do that, you may have to look at maybe not salary increases but cost of living bonuses for police that are living in some of the areas they police? There's a he's in why lots of Nypd

ninety minutes out in Jersey or in upstate. New Yorker were really not upstate, but north of the city or wherever and its because they can afford to live in New York City, so Dat, something that has to be considered. The other thing that I think is important. Is that the reason we want police living in or it's really the opposite? It's more than We want police that already live where they are going to be working there's a number of reasons for that you could be more likely to de escalate rather than escalate. If your policing, your own community, it would make you more acquainted with the dynamics of your city in terms of better identifying what is a threat and what isn't a threat? And this is not to excuse when police, obviously

behave and say something the threat? That obviously, is not after the fact in order to get out of trouble, but understanding the dynamics of your city better, would certainly be a the good thing and being integrated into the community would be a really really good thing. The possible downsides would be our policeman risk of retaliation against themselves and their families if their known to live in the community. Is it it? Would that be something that we need to think about? Could it led to select enforcement, because if you live in a community and you police it you develop relationships, skew your relationship where you are no longer a dealing the community objectively, depending on whether you know the people or whether you don't. I think that those are rarely every small risks. I think that the idea of saying all police must live where they are policing is impossible but I do think that the idea of requiring a certain percentage and if you need to give them cost of living,

in order to be able to afford it. I would actually be ok with that, because I do think it would dramatically improve policing now. What's that back from this question, there's a different question that we also need to talk about witches, regardless of whether police come from in the community or out of the community, there is a self selection by us for who wants to be a police officer and there's lots of liberal police officers. I am not saying that there aren't, but on average police are more culturally conservative, then the ad bridge population and that something that we need to think about as well, so you may be would be able to deal with that. For example, if you have a liberal city that is overwhelmingly policed

by rural police officers who live in conservative areas an hour and a half outside of a city. Ok, you could fix some of that political imbalance by bringing in people who live in the city, but that's a bigger question that police departments are going to have to deal with the cultural conservatism of police theirs. Self selection bias. It exists in the military as well doesn't mean there aren't left wing people in the military. In fact, Joe Biden is now leading among members of the military but data to be thought of as well when we think about where should those who police us live? We also have to think about these cultural compose, Hey David, you think Joe Biden should bail on debate. Donald Trump. How Speaker Nancy Pelosi said that Joe Biden shouldn't debate because he's just going to lie, she said quote: I dont think there should be any debates. I do not think the president has comported himself in a way that has any association with truth, evidence, data and facts. She wouldn't legitimate.

I'm a conversation with Trump, so I actually agree with Nancy Policy on the facts. Trumped just lies. He lies all the time he insults people. A debate with him is a debasement of the discourse, but where I disagree with her is that it wouldn't matter because he is the president of the United States and there's already people who are trying to make the case that Joe Biden is an up to debate. The Joe Biden is suffering cognitive decline or dementia and if Joe Biden were the one to say, I'm not going to debate because trumps a liar doesn't matter what reason Joe Biden gives it would not be good for Joe Biden now. The debate of the institution of debate in this election could not be less important. I said before the conventions I dont need conventions and I dont need debates because it's all so clear at this point in time, but I do think that there is a real risk that Joe Biden, if he bales it, would look bad

and also, I think it actually would be good for Biden to debate Trump is not a good one on one debater Hill Insult Biden, he will yellow lot. He'll tell a lot of lies, but I dont think its goal In dear him to any undue, I did voters, his supporters will love it, but I don't think it will help Trump and Biden is he's a decent debater. Yes, he slowed down to some degree from twenty twelve when he debated, Ryan, but remember what happened with the Bernie one on one debate, there were expectations. That Biden would implode, he'd, be unable to put together a sentence or say anything: Coherent Biden did fine and he actually went on to build a pretty significant lead in democratic primary voting. So I think that Biden is actually fine to debate and again You don't want to give any opportunity for tromp and Don Junior and everybody who's been pushing it to further. These claims that binding week in any way mentally weak, weak in terms of personality.

That he's hiding in his basement or whatever the case. Lastly, Donald Trump was able to do certain things with Hillary Clinton during the debate then he wouldn't be able to do with Joe Biden. Donald Trump is gigantic physically, as you know, he's of very large man obese by any sensible estimate of his Haydn weight and he was an imposing presence, lumbering behind Hillary Clinton. Although she was now intimidated by him. Certainly the images I dont think were ones that would be possible with Joe Biden, and I think that not that that was bad for Hilary. I think it would be bad four trump: to try to pull his standing, really close to Biden antics in the way that he did Toby fifteen October twenty two and then the VP debate, which I very much look forward to, will be on October, seven, the last two

twenty two and then the VP debate, which I very much look forward to, will be on October, seven, the last two presidential debates October, fifteenth and October twenty seconds Those are pretty late, particularly when were expecting more people than ever to vote early by mail absentee or early voting in person, going to be more about turn out than convincing people to switch by October twenty. Second, if you ve not listen, I said before we have a major decision already. I dont know what's wrong with you. I want to talk to somebody who's. Surely undecided, if you ve, not major decision by October, twenty second to very weird situation, but as a result, I think that those last the debates are going to be more about, can trump dog so enough to activate parts of his base and the answer, maybe yes, we're gonna be watching while very closely, will be live streaming. All four of the debates we ve got a great bonus show for you today get in

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