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- Welcome everyone to a special episode of Dissect. I am your host, Colt Kushner. And today we are talking band. Stone and the New World. The fifth and possibly final album from Childish Gambino was released last week on July 19th. We are recording this just four days, five days since the album came out. We're gonna get it. We're gonna give our initial impressions, we're gonna talk some concepts. We're also gonna give you guys our top three favorite-- albums of the year at the end of the episode. The Childish Gambino superfan, dissect collaborator, Camden Ostrander, Howard How are you doing? There's a new Childish Gambino album. How are you feeling? I'm feeling amazing. Thank you, Cole. Thank you for the wonderful, nice intro. No, this is the best. There is so much crap going on, but we have a--

the world's in chaos but it's been a great year for me So far. - Exactly, for music you and I got a lot of good stuff. - Yeah my favorite artist Kendrick just demolished some... Else in a rap battle. Childish Gambino has been very active. It's been a beautiful year for music so far. So we're going to get into album content. Steps sound everything like that a little much as much as we can we'll talk about kind of our limited perception of the world that this thing lives I just want to know initial impressions, first listen, continuous listens. How are you feeling about this album band of stone in the new world? I'm feeling like very overwhelmingly incredible about this album. Longtime Childish Gambino fan, very apprehensive about like a last album

feel very like I didn't know what was going to happen. I cannot believe we got all of Like it's he talks about like it feeling lush and he has a lot of very vibrant imagery and it feels like that um completely as an experience like this is everything we could have got. It feels like it lived up to the expectation and we'll talk about the specifics of the rollout in a moment but. It did seem like he was building this up. It feels like he's 100% into it. It's not just kind of something he released into the ether, kind of what I felt like maybe 3.15 was or even out of Vista. Or there didn't seem to be much press around that, and it does feel like his creative kind of soul is 100%. Behind this thing and he's really giving it his all and it lived i mean i'm just gonna say it i think this is my favorite Childish Gambino album. I know that's early to say, but in terms of the music...

The production, the variety of sounds, some of the concepts that I think he's reaching towards, and that hopefully will be fully illuminated with the film. I am incredibly impressed with this album so far. Four or five days into it but it gave me the like first listen it gave me the feeling that most of my favorite and i think the greatest albums give me which is huh Like if you end the album, you're just like, huh? I'm not quite sure what to make of what I just experienced But I know I want to keep listening and then you get the multiple listens And you get every time you're finding new gems, new sounds, new lyrics, new concepts, and it's just rewarding every single time you're listening and I just want to keep, I just haven't stopped playing this album since it came.

Out. Well I'm out off base, am I just too excited? Am I living it? Do I have recency bias? Or what do you feel? I mean, as someone's studied every one of his albums, how are you feeling in terms of Like call it a favorite or his best, but like, how does it stack up within his, his larger catalog? It feels like it meets the mark of all of his best work. Like, I'm so excited that we now get to have this for the future. Like every like with the Han. The wanting to explore more. I am so looking forward to having more time like this. Like it feels like the first time I listened to because internet or the first time I listened to awaken my love as like the high moments of like. We have this now and this is all I'm gonna be listening. Like this is so exciting. This is a gift, yeah.

This is wonderful. - It really, yeah, that's a good way of putting it because it is gonna be in our lives. We know for the foreseeable future and there's gonna be so much to learn and discover from it as all great works of art give us. If you, as we always say. On the show, it feels like one of those albums, the more you give it, the more it will give back to you. And not all, I mean, most albums aren't that, I don't think. And this does feel like it has the depth to warrant continued study and revelation, I think. But before we get too much into the album, I'm glad we're on the same page in terms of... Both being impressed by it. Everyone that I've talked to seems to be in love with it, as well. I haven't really heard -- and it seems like the early reviews have been great. You may may have read more than I have. I mean I get to see the the dissidents because I'm looking for everything but

Yeah, overwhelmingly I do see a lot of positive talk, which is really nice. How's the Reddit? I don't do Reddit too much, but are you on the Gambino Reddit at all? Like looking to see reactions? Fans like he made that he's talked about this in interviews and we're gonna talk about this more. He made this His fans in mind and we appreciate it i think like i think it has done what he wanted it to do in that sense so i yeah right yeah okay so let's let's take a step back though because if we're kind of just if we if we remove 315 20 from the conversation just for this exercise um you know Childish Gambino has been somewhat on a hiatus since awake 2016's Awaken My Love and that's a

what, eight-year span almost, you know? Where we didn't get the most -- You know, Childish Gambino wasn't active in -- well, at least in this way compared to recently. And even though we did get the pandemic album, it did feel like -- I don't know. I don't even know how to talk about that album to be honest. He gave it to people who had it because he thought the road was ending. Like, okay, here we go. Here's a nice little treat. But if you could walk us through just... Donald Glover since 2016, the major bullet point for us, the major works, because as... We're gonna talk about, yeah, just to set it up, as we'll talk about, Childish Gambino may be over with this album, but Donald Glover, the creative, is certainly not, and in this break of Childish Gambino projects, we got a lot of Donald Glover creative output, so yeah, why don't you just kind of run us through that kind of list of things.

Things. Yeah, for sure. So we got Awaken My Love in 2016. It was the same... That we got Atlanta first season of that and we ended up getting four seasons of that and not Probably it's also the beginning of when he became a father. So it's like when his family began. So you can see why maybe we didn't get as much childish Gambino music. He was busy. We got This Is America SNL in 2018. So we got This Is America, which was a huge cultural moment Obviously kind of changed a lot of the conversation that happened around his music. So I think that caused a bit of a shift in how he was planning on going forward. He also had Star Wars, he had the massive press tour for that. He had his live tour that he built around This is America, and he had the passing of his father. So we had like a bunch of He had major moments in 2018 that kind of probably pumped the brakes on if we were going to get any traditional albums close after that. Right.

2019 he did like a festival tour to kind of cap off to this is America. We got like Guava Island We got Lion King like he kept he had these big massive projects He had, I think that was when he has his third kid as well. So that's all, all of his children have been born by 2019. That he had an Amazon deal and this is when he started developing and this is what I think we're thinking about when we think about Donald Glover is just getting started. This is when Gilga and Gilga Farms which appears to be Like the creative compound collective that he's been nurturing. Really took root. So he has like this farm, he has this creative team that he's working with. They've had a few projects come out, they've been connected with like, Swarm and Mr. and Mrs. Smith. And there's like a massive deal Connected with Amazon. Like he's got a lot of money coming into this. So he's had that. And then this year we got Bando Stone.

An album in the rollout we got out of vista when he like reworked 315 20. I don't know if anybody else has ever put an album out as part of A rollout for an album before but like it feels like it ties into this like gift the fans, you know, like closing that loop that we're maybe all a little bit confused about if we're, if it was finished and if we were going to ever see the finished product. But yeah, that is interesting. About an entire album in the rollout to another album. - Basically, he's been very active creatively. Is there a standout project in that time span that you kind of look towards as your, I don't know if your favorite, or you feel like it's his best work within that span of time? - I think the most, like the interesting thing to think of, I don't know if I can pick a favorite, but I know that I keep coming back to like. The farm, the Gilga project. Like he's talked about a lot in recent interviews. Like he's like, I can grow my own fruit now.

How to do that and like thinking about that, thinking about him on his personal life, cultivating Laying down these roots for like whatever's going to be next. That's what really gets my interest. Yeah. Pete, as far as like he's just been planting these seeds. Right. Yeah, interesting. I will just. - I have to say Atlanta is one of the best. - Oh yeah, and Atlanta. - I've ever watched in my life. Being I need to return to it. I've only watched the series once like each season once I've to at least some of those episodes. - That's so good. That's gonna, yeah. And I'll talk about it later, but actually this, this, this album kind of reminded me of Atlanta in some ways. Okay, so let's talk about the bando rollout specifically because this feels like one of the more

It's thought about rollouts, and we know Gambino is one to build a world around his albums, and it feels like he's doing that. We should probably say up top, this is supposed to be a soundtrack for a movie. -Right. -...that is eventually gonna release, it sounds like, in IMAX, or at least that's what the end of the trailer alludes to. But yeah, I did want to give some some love to the rollout because I don't know I roll it's just so strange now I have these kind of long tail where you get these like clues on social media and it's like it all feels very sloppy sometimes. This one just felt very thought about and it felt like world building more than it did a traditional rollout. So do you want to go through? Some of the major kind of items of the rollout. - Like we know if people have listened to season seven of what we...

Done with Because Internet. Like we know the rollout is really important for the work. We know Donald can do a lot of it. He's talked about it being intentional and him, I think on an Instagram live, he said, like, I want to make trying hard cool again. Like I'm trying to make this happen. So like that's the world that he's kind of building. Um we haven't seen him like this active in this normal of a fashion in so long which is kind of like really refreshing so we're getting a lot of like entertaining material like he's on social media again he's doing the tik toks like he's yeah he's transparent about like People that are working with him on the TikToks, like his team, like the people that he's hired and everything. He's doing like... Regular interviews again. He isn't interviewing himself like he did a couple years ago. He's actually talking to other people. He's doing kind of Like the ones I read, like he did Hot Ones, he did Apple Music. He's doing his cohesive outfitting again during the Because Internet era. He was dressed up as like the character from the album.

The character from the movie, as far as we can tell, he's dressing up pretty similar to that. And now it's like there's kind of probably a catch in like, this is just how he dressed. But it is also like he's making it like a cohesive image. In the work, we see him in real life in the public sphere. He's doing a lot of that world building stuff that he did back in because internet days. Yeah. Do you think all the rollout stuff is a part of this idea of like trying hard and being okay with promoting your work and, and wanting to people like being okay with you wanting people to live. Into it. How did he phrase it? Like making things valuable, like making something valuable. So that people will then value it. Because like, this is really hard in today's age. Like, nobody gives, nobody cares.

The thing that's a big part of the album, right? So he's making something that we can care about. And that requires, I think, effort. Right. What he's saying. He's doing like live installations again. Like we've had the... The little island New York performance where he kind of brought everybody onto an island for performance of the album. Steve Lacey were there like that was a really cool introduction. And then he's in this like pop art where or pop up where he's done like the quick mark Mark V that is in the movie, but he made that in real life, which is very reminiscent of like installations he's done in the past, where you if you make a bit of the fiction. World in the real world you get to bring the audience in really engaging them in that way yeah he's doing a lot of cool stuff it does -I feel like it's culminating not only to the film, but more so the live show, especially after, was it -- yeah, the Apple Music interview where he said -- I think he said directly, like --

Like the live show is the most important part. It's where people come together to experience it. And listening to the album with that in mind, like some of these songs live. Oh my God. Are gonna be absolutely transcendent just the production on it It just I I was trying to like specifically imagining some of these songs live this last time I was listening to it today. Man, I was like, I just need to go. -Yeah. -I just need to go. Let's get into the actual album. Producers on this thing I wanted to shout out before we get into the music just to acknowledge some of the people that... I've worked on this Gambino. There's a lot of self-production on pretty much every song, it feels like, and some of them are exclusively credited to just Childish Gambino. We also have Ludwig Gorgon. Who has had an incredible run recently and has become one of the most important musicians in the world.

World. Oppenheimer that I just recently re-watched that that movie holy shit that score is absolutely insane it is so good But it was cool to see him returning in a major way on this album DJ Dahi is a big big producer on this who produced a lot of Atavista Michael do you know how to? To say this name. - We really need to step up. We need to know how to say his name. He's so important now at this point. - Yeah. Max Martin, Steve Lacy, Sir Dylan, who I wasn't familiar with, but then I looked up some of his credits. Sir Dylan produced for SZA, Rosalia, Solange. So he's got some major work. So incredible lineup of producers.

And I think one of the things that really stuck out to me immediately, and obviously to a lot of people was just the variety of genres that this album kind of fluidly and maybe unapologetically is not the right word. But there there doesn't seem to be much Consideration and try to ease you into some of these transitions the juxtaposition of sounds I think is part of the concept Like he's been hearing his entire career like oh you're trying to do too much Oh, what do you think you are being an artist being a singer? Being an actor being that. And he's like, Okay, let's go even further. Within music, how much can I I... I... I... He's like almost inviting that criticism of like, he's gonna do every single different genre that he can. - Right. - Yeah, I was so excited. So happy to see and hear all that happening. Yeah. When I was kind of trying to wrap my head around it because the more I listened to it, the more it did feel.

Like the album to me, with all the genres that he's exploring, it risks becoming messy or not feeling cohesive. But there is some kind of through line that I'm still trying to figure out why these songs do sound so great together. together. Kind of similar to Igor and this is just like initial impression so I'm not entirely sure on it but it does feel like in the same way that Igor used the distorted bass on almost every single song to kind of. Bridge a lot of the variety of sounds on that album. I think this album does it even more.

Or, but if you listen, a lot of the songs, even the ones that you wouldn't really expect, like the softer songs, do have this kind of distorted bass drum that's consistently in them. And there is a kind of grittiness to some of even the more polished songs or the more pop-sounding songs. So that's one just small detail I noticed. But if you look, I put every song into like a genre. Bucket and really came out with three main ones so there's kind of like the electro more aggressive rap or even dance, where you have songs like Hearts Were Meant to Fly, Talk My Shit, Got to Be. Place where love goes. Then you have this kind of indie pop sound like Lithonia, Real Love, Run Around, D'Advocate kind of. And then you have this like futuristic island, Afrobeat sound or songs like Step Speech, In the Night, Can You Feel Me, No Excuses, We Are God, Happy Survival kind of thing.

Into the bucket. So even though it does seem like there's this kind of wider eclecticism happening there is like some main pillars i would say and again i'm not i've kind of Still trying to wrap my head around it, but those are some of the things that I think we're tying things together. But what do you feel about this variety of sound? Does it feel do you feel that cohesion too? Feel like the cohesion it makes sense given that it's a soundtrack also like it's gonna make I feel like it's gonna make more sense when we see the film like how the different Together and how you're able to make all these different things more cohesive. When he keeps how lush he was trying to make this be like the rainbow color striations on the side of the album cover. It's like almost like Maximalism like it can appear messy, but if it's done right you can make everything kind of go together. You can fill it all

If he's always been trying to show like the wholeness of an experience, you know, making different media different forms to like bring experiences together and make connective tissue, he's doing that within the discipline of music now. Like, it works out for me. - And that's what it reminded me about Atlanta. like Atlanta. Bye. Because you had episodes especially as the show went into the third and fourth season you would have episodes that seemed singular and Would be just you'd have different characters as the main character It seems singular, but then it also kind of worked within this larger storyline that was happening or the larger themes being explored. The entire episodes were like none of the main where like none of the main cast is present in an episode of Atlanta, but it is Atlanta and it feels like part of it.

That makes a lot of sense. And even with the lack of main characters, it didn't feel totally outside of the realm of the show. And it just reminded me of that same kind of concept where you can pluck a song out of this like real love lithonia running around like and put it directly against a song like hearts but you know the opening track and be like that's on But and that's why you know, we talked just very briefly through text about the single in the night And when I heard that single as a standalone single, I wasn't like wildly impressed with it. And then when hearing it within the context of the album, it works so great. Off the other songs so well and I really like that song now. I feel like it's speaking to also more contemporary.

Listening practices. Like, people are listening to crazily different like we have so much more access to music and content that it makes sense when like somebody has JPEG mafia and Tight list, right? Like people love that type of stuff where we're like this crazily different things are kind of all we're finding the what is it what is the Spotify like pollen is that the one where it's like oh right it brings these together is just that it's good or something they have some phrase right right like this is one album Sort of operating in that mode almost is sometimes how I think about it. It's almost like playlisty. This but I do think it's interesting that he released the soundtrack quote unquote for the film first without having seen the film or even knowing too much about it aside from the trailer.

It was like I didn't know why he did that. He kind of explained it on air you later but and he kind of validated what I thought which was a lot of times when you get the soundtrack after the movie you can't help but just relate the songs to the thing that you already saw and it almost feels Ancillary to the movie where releasing the music first forces you to just evaluate it on its own with the active and it also encourages active exploration and meditation and and just thinking about how this might then fit in with the film but I thought that was really smart to release the music first and allow it to. Stand on its own for a while before we got the film. Did you, what do you, what are you thinking about that? - Yeah, like on the Apple Music Interview, he says like he's trying to engage or encourage audience participation. Like you have to participate in the art. You're thinking about what's happening.

In the story, you're thinking about it more. And like this is something he has always done is trying to make something that encourages an audience to make more connections themselves. Us a like hybrid web script that had video clips, but then we had to go play the song on the other thing. And then we were thinking about all the things he had made and how they'd connected to the script, or like, he's just always putting the different pieces around and he's trying to find different ways to like make us participate more. He's connecting with us in that way and getting us a lot more engaged. Like this is very him. This is this is like childish Gambino kind of represents this idea Right as a connective tissue and that seems yeah Was that present in Awaken My Love as much? There were like, it was like with the live show I think. Part of it. It wasn't... Awaken My Love was more musical because they had Atlanta. So like if you and we still haven't figured it out but like

The connections between Awaken My Love and Atlanta, the ideas of like fatherhood, I think Going to take people longer. I'm sure he was doing some stuff there but like the album art appears in the background of one of the like scenes in the show, they have a lot of similar themes. Like that's, I think a little more out there, that one. - Okay, okay. So what do you, I know it's very early, again, four days. Five days since but do you have any any thoughts on a possible narrative themes concepts just with the music knowing you know about the rollout and a little bit about the film's plot is there anything in the next video. But it is so fun. Like this is what he wants you to do is like think about it. He starts off the album with like, Are we going to die? Not tonight, which I think is a very interesting start. Like we're already looking at the end. What's about to happen?

and importantly saying that to a child yeah i'll just point that out but yeah i i we got to think Family structure. Okay. On the album, if you look at it, I think that if you look at the album as a narrative, like got to be feels like a point of return on like the hero's journey if we're thinking about it in that way like there's a lot of chaos. There is a need and impulse he has got to do something. It also, that's where it's very clear that. The identities are all present because as we talked about on because the internet he was like weaving together Donald Glover, Todd D'Scambino, and the boy, the character of that story. By got to be, he has had Donald Glover and Childish Gambino and Bando Stone have all appeared by name on the album. Oh, interesting. So like, we've that's when Yeah, so they're all there.

He's doing something like that again. Right. We don't know yet. It also got to be has an outro that sounds eerily like the boy's mother on because the internet. There's like that haunting female vocal that's like distorted with the tech at the end Okay. Giving some, we don't know yet, piece of wisdom perhaps. I don't know. Right. So we've got a lot, like we've got some old narrative calls. And then the way I see it, I think there's probably an ending of sorts at We Are God. It's just such a culminating moment. Yeah. References a lot of things from Childish Gambino's entire discography and when it's it against what happens afterwards. Like I wonder which of these songs are like this is a bando song. Like this is is this part of the fiction? I don't know.

If we think about that, running around in Dadvocate sounds so different when they're put after... Wait, so let's just sense let's contextualize bando. We should just say yeah A musician in the film. He's a musician. Yes. He's on an island of some sort. Do you know the island at all? Or is it just, we don't, it's. - It's like he's gone here to record his masterpiece. - Okay. - It's like the concept, right? - Yeah, so he stuck. So this musician stuck on the island, there's some kind of apocalyptic event or event occurring, and then he is kind of forced. What's the line from the trailer? It says... Is... Or some jokes made in the trailer and also on the album of like, he knows how to sing, but he doesn't know how to survive when he's found.

He's like, I'm Bando Stone. And the woman is like, I don't know who you are. He tries to sing his songs and she's pointing a gun at him. What the fuck? Yeah, exactly. Like, he can't fish, he can't hunt, no practical survival skills. It's so funny, he said he had this concept and I wonder how far it went back then, but he said he had this concept. Concept for the movie since community days. But in my mind, I'd be interested to know how fleshed out the concept was because... In my mind the the entire premise of this film at least what I what I've gathered from The clues that we have about it is 100% the same exact thoughts that I had when I became a dad, which is.

You just -- There's certain things you have never thought about until you're responsible for a person, you know, a child's life. And a lot of that comes with just these, like, innate, intrinsic protective -- this protective thing that comes out of you that I feel like -- most fathers that I've talked to experience and then you realize I identify a little bit with Bando Stone even now Or what I know about it because it's like, I've been a creative my entire life. All my skillsets, like I'm not hand. I don't know how to fix anything. I don't know. You know what I mean? Like, if the world-- But then you relate that those insecurities or those shortcomings come to... to to...

To your attention when you're responsible for a child and you're thinking about all these scenarios and what you might have to protect them. And so just even the premise of him, because there is a kid, his kid is right, is in the film. Yeah, it's legend, his firstborn. And I believe, yeah. - So it sounds like Bando is forced to take on this father kind of position in the film and just, yeah, I don't know. I just really identify with the premise of it. So I'm very interested to see how that plays out, but that. That like there's a lot of dad stuff on the album and I that I 100% relate to and It also reminded me of Mr. Morale, to be honest, in the same feelings that I got, I mean, Kendrick's on the. On the cover of Mr Morale has a gun in his waist and he's looking out the window and he's got his child in his arm. Like the protective father, the instinct. And all the emotions and everything that kind of forces you to confront. It feels like he's...

Some of that, I mean, to me that even relates to, and again, I'm like talking off the cuff here, sorry, if I'm not making sense, but. We're exploring here. But that reminds me of the Gilga stuff, where it's like... He's learning how to grow his own fruit. He's doing these various things. That are very almost primal in a way and they're almost like these survival skills. Very interesting. Like I again, I relate to all of this if we think about the amount of success he achieved in the notaract like this After This Is America and a headlining national tour arenas and doing all the festivals like he had gotten music to a extremely high degree. And he had a family and he lost his own. Like, the how do you provide what what

It makes sense for him to cultivate those skills and to make that farm and build that type of community and that type of thinking. Like the providing. Yeah. Remind me, he lost his father around the time he had his first child too. Is that so? No, it's a couple of years after. So this is America during that tour. Yeah. So the first two children, I think were like just born. - Okay. - Yeah. - Yeah, and I feel like that could even accelerate some of that thinking when your own father has passed and it really just now is 100% on you to fulfill that role. There's no one to kind of look towards, you know, it's just you now. Out.

That's another thing that really has shown through. The family, the real, and he talked about it in the Zane Lowe interview, this idea of being sincere. He talked about sincerity, being sincere on the album. It's so interesting in music, especially in hip hop, and I don't even want to pigeonhole him to a hip hop artist, but it does, it's hard to make. Like you saw it with like Chance the Rapper. It's really hard to make sincere music within the- I hadn't thought about that yet. You know what I mean? And like it could come off so easily as corny. He loves his wife. He loves his wife. He loves his children. And-- There's lines on here about that there's their songs feels like entirely about that kind of business Sesame Street song on this album ABCs that's such a that song is so good. But yeah, but

- You also had a thing about love. You see love as a through line in the narrative arc of- Childish Gambino as a character. tandem with like the narrative of perhaps Bando Stone but like People are often gonna ask with the Gambino album, Does this connect to the last one in any way? Do we have, how is the childish Gambino character being-- Continued I think right now that all I can really say is that there's like a definite narrative about love on Camp we see him like betrayed in love in the camp settings like he's a young boy trying to figure out the world and he gets hurt in love and he thinks nobody loves him that's like a lot of what camp is about is anger and all those teenage emotions about that right Because the internet, he talks about like, love is like building a safe space for people. Could find it with others. Like, he's in a lot of like, he's in pain about that, but he has some love experience, right?

With Naomi and the boy, awaken my love. Like that's when he like, that's a finding it moment. He finds it in his child and in the family. So that's a big thing on three 1520 which then becomes out of Vista. We finally get when something that like was pretty big for Shkambino fans was him saying, I love me, and that there's love in every moment. So like finding self-love by that point. Right. And then now that Gambino loves himself, we have Bando's Stone where he's like, he's able to love life, he's able to love the world around us even as it's like crumbling and like even if like the future world is going to become Different than whatever we have now, he's finding a way to believe and have faith in whatever is next. Like that that's still going to be lovable. Right. That if again, again, this is for...

Four days after the album. But that was what stuck out to me as far as thinking about a career-long narrative. - Yeah, and did he specifically say future? - Is it like Future Island? He said, But that's a band, but I do not think he'd-- meant this indie pop band. He said Future Island like to me. Island music genre right and futuristic taking a futuristic take on island music. It's like technology and nature synthesis which feels very That's very present on the album. That's a very apt description. Yeah, but I do think that's interesting that you're that that take about loving the future world, loving life now, and then allowing that to your point, those are the seeds of growth. Because now it's going to end. Yeah. And a natural reaction for us as we get older is like, no. Oh, this stuff.

Love is gone. - Right. - But like whatever's next, we can also love that. And like finding like trusting that or having faith in that is really important and very difficult I find it very difficult I know many people do like yeah and like when we look at like the way that Gambino incorporated so many like younger features On the album. Some of them are like divisive some people I want but like MRA Chloe, Flo Mily, Yeet. He has Yeet on the album. - Who sounds great on the song, by the way. - So good. Like Foushe and Legend, his own child, like all these younger features. And Childish Gambino is ending. So like we have that, but whatever is next, like, yeah, my world is ending, the Gambino world is ending, but I'm gonna. Of whatever is next, look at what is coming next. That's like meta commentary. - Right, so yeah, so the features are kind of.

Symbolically embodying the future and him entrusting, literally entrusting them, their presence on this album as a way to communicate this trust and love in the future world. That whatever that is. He used to use this metaphor in interviews of like planting seeds of trees that we will never see their fruit. I mean, he's seeing the fruit of these like because he's using them on the album. But this is the idea we have to provide for the future. Like he's doing this in all these different ways we've been talking about. Yeah. Yeah. And then you had this, you had a pretty interesting point about like his side quests. Do you want to explain that to the listeners? Oh, Like if Childish Gambino is ending, like the Childish Gambino Pokemon is like learning a new move. Like it's like we forget the Childish Gambino move. Donald Glover is gonna like, he's gonna Do other stuff like just because Childish Gambino is over we have Donald Glover like he's going to be

making more stuff. If there's no music in any of the stuff he makes from now, that would be weird. Like Chardo Shambino is over, it's evolving, and it's gone. But like, and that's such a, we've talked about this, like that's such a logistically speaking... Difficult trend. How many times did Prince try and change his name? Yeah exactly. It's so difficult. Yeah, did you ever make sense of the... because like on the 315/20, it was Donald Glover presents, right? Yes. But is that the case with Atavista? Is it clear? It's not clear with edivista, I imagine he was thinking about these things with 315/20. Like he had already said... Like, Tyler Scambino was ending, he had tried to do it. He was probably trying to transition into something.

But one thing that I do know about 3.15.20 is like, there were a bunch of plans for that album, then we had a pandemic and it all changed. So like, there was probably something in place, there was probably something that was Starting to roll into moving into something else, ushering in a new era. And he basically postponed it till now in Bando's thumb. Introducing the ultimate bundle at an unbeatable price. The Disney+ Hulu Max Bundle. With iconic entertainment like Loki and Encanto on Disney+. >> I will save the magic. >> FX's The Bear and the Kardashians on Hulu. >> I am a good time, okay? >> And The Last of Us and House of the Dragon on Max. >> They are a protector of the road. >> All available with the Disney+ Hulu Max Bundle. Plans starting at $16.99 a month. Terms of plot, visit Disney+. Visit www.tolu.com for details.

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Trying to give us an experience. Be overly excited over excited is not a word that even comes across to it To whatever it is. - How many times are you gonna see it? Are you gonna see it multiple times? - I think like two times, three times. Yeah, we'll see. - Do you think it'll be a movie, like a film version of it? I don't make me mad. They have film versions. They have to have film versions of all of the tours and they haven't given us any of it. I'm dead.

You're breaking glasses. Okay, so we got to talk about the music more specifically. It's hard to do technical breakdowns this early into the listening process, but I did have each of us pick our top three favorite moments so far on the album. We're going to play the clips, we're going to talk about why we love them, and we're going to give you the time codes. It's each song, Tyler style, which he likes to do it with his album rollouts as fans give their favorite. Moments of the album with timecode, so we're gonna honor that tradition here. I'm gonna go first and give you my, the first moment, maybe it was the, it must have been first listen. It was the moment that I was like, holy shit. This is It's about midway through the album and I was like I said, I was kind of like didn't Wrap my head around things things are shifting and sounds are pivoting and coming in and out and genres were bending and

get to the song, No Excuses. When it entered No Excuses, I saw it was like seven minutes and 33 seconds. I was like, Hmm, interesting. Gonna go and it did not disappoint because it starts out as like it's definitely that more like futuristic island bucket. And it starts off more or less like, I mean, a great song, but just nothing quote unquote special yet. But then you get like midway through the song and it breaks out into this instrumental. And so at three minutes and five seconds, we hear this piano riff, beautiful, gorgeous piano riff backed by strings and a choir. And this song was produced by, in part, Luke Vigwardson. And I think

this feels like him, his moment. So let's listen to that. Okay, so obviously just such lush, beautiful. Like you're saying he was going for Lush on this album. I feel like this is one of the most luscious. A luscious moment. One of the more luscious moments on the album, but then we get a saxophone that comes in over this already beautiful... Production. And it's played by Kamasi Washington, which I didn't know.

I should have known when I first heard it because it was awesome. And then of course, it's Kamasi Washington. He's probably the best saxophone player on earth right now, or at least makes the best music as a saxophone player. He's a jazz saxophonist. Go listen to his albums. From LA. He's on to pimp a butterfly, but so he comes in at three minutes and 46 seconds. Then after his sex kind of solo stops, I'm gonna quote Beat Switch. It's not really a beat switch 'cause, like, the tempo doesn't change and the groove doesn't change, but just more instruments are added, and it's, like, such a moment, and we just hit this groove for the entire rest of the song.

And it's just, it's beautiful. The thing about this song is that like, this is one of the few words credited, like he has his entire band that has been, most of his band has been with him for more than a decade at this point. Like the musicality on the song, like everyone's credited, he's got everybody parti- like, and then you have Kamasi Washington and good way and like, oh my god, how is it? How do you get all these names on one? Like, yeah, it's so

Good, the strings, the strings on this album in general, which I think my next clip is gonna even have more of, are all, I'm pretty sure they're all done by Ludvig, who has become such a master of orchestration over the past decade. They're so good, and they're paired with the most, not odd. But just unusual pairings for strings, which I'll talk about in my next one. But let's get to your first moment. - The first moment I want to talk about is. It's from the lead single, it's from Lithonia, which was an incredible first listen. Like I got chills all over it. - Oh my God, it's so good. - Oh, he's like. He's pushing his voice into breaking and I love it. He's doing all these different things. He's got this heavy texture on his voice. For most of the song. And then towards the end, my favorite moments are like when he--

He's saying My Sweet Lithonia at like 203. ♪ Nobody gives a fuck ♪ ♪ My sweet lithonia ♪ ♪ What have you done ♪ ♪ Please all ♪ But like the way that he's got this payoff moment, after all the texture, all the craziness of this track, and then there's also like the sweetness and like how beautiful his voice can get. Oh, yeah, I love this. And his vocals on the song all the way through are just, I just haven't, we've heard Moments like that, but to sustain it an entire song, it feels really, and within this genre that does feel... I don't even know really how to describe it. It's like this pop ballad ish. Thing but also has like rock elements to it. It's like almost MCR like it's like what is he doing? Yeah. Yeah.

And then the video, okay, do you have any sense of what's going on in the video? The video, okay. It's crazy. The video is so good. You are deeply unsettled from the first month, like when you see the sweat, you see how it Close you are in on his teeth and his mouth and everybody in the band freaking out and sweating and like that woman just like looking and looking and then her like dude - His eyeballs like pop out or something? - His eyeballs pop out of his-- - Yeah, his eyeballs pop out and then he starts chasing her, right? - In the way he's running, did you notice the way he's running in the background? His arms are like flapping at his side. - Yeah, is that gonna, is this gonna make more sense to when we see. Film or like? I don't know. This is... it is so because the internet. It is so like the alien theory about those music videos. The film. It is so that all over again.

- I need to re-listen to our season on that album. It's like bringing back all these memories. But yeah, it's very similar. All these connective tissues that just are left unexplained and up to the listener to make the connections and interact and be one. With the art it's it's pretty cool yeah yeah it freaked me out that video freaks me out every time Three times every time I have jumped. Like I know it's coming. And it still gets me. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah. Coded LaRae is the real name of Bando? Is that the theory? I think... I- I- Would wager it's Bando stones birth name. Yeah. I because it's Sounds like it from the way he's singing on Lithonia. Cody LeRae, he had a break. That would be Bando's career, I think. But... - And you maybe are theorizing that these more rockish songs might be bando songs.

Your bando stone rock rock. Oh yeah. Stone rock. It's not very developed. Be something there. Okay, we're working with what we got. And Lithonia is near Stone Mountain, Georgia. It's where Donald is from. It's all like the name Lothonia means town of rock or town of stone I think okay okay that makes sense I think there's something there I don't know okay right yeah all right so my next top moment is on the song Cruisin' which has the Eat feature. And it's such a weird song in the best way. I've just never heard anything like this song. Especially where it goes at the end. So I want to play a couple clips from it. So when we get to Yeats.

Verse the song kind of morphs to accommodate his sound what he sounds best over so the B kind of breaks down and it gets like a little bit more darker. So let's hear that. It's really great stuff i really love his feature it really works for me and there's like this really cool contrast happening between him and yeet but they also kind of blend together really nicely but then going from yeet's verse and the contrast with the final us so Ludwig I'm assuming Ludwig comes in with these beautiful strings there's Chorus singing the melody and then you have gambino like just absolutely screaming these vocals And then it breaks into this new like the synthesizer

riff, like this kind of like arpeggiated fast synthesizer riff. Let's hear that moment now, cause it is one of the best, I feel like production wise on the entire album. So just like incredibly impressive all the sounds all the layering's all the just interesting choices being made not only from song to song but within the song taking all these twists and turns just from the production I haven't even really thought about the words All. Yeah. At this point, I listened to production first. It's like, it takes me, it's going to take me a lot to get to the actual words and I'll probably just have to sit down with them at some point.

But that was just another moment where it's these odd combinations that just he found a way to work within these multiple genres Just such a cool Moment he's in you know he's saying please help me oh yeah that's where he's screaming I guess some of some of what he's saying is bleep in like that's the because the internet that's that's please help like that right he's doing it again right yeah i was freaking out i was freaking Out the first time I heard this. Yeah, it's incredible. Yeah. All right, so what's your next moment? My next moment is the next song. We Are God. *Music* When I saw the tracklist when I listened to this album for the first time I'm like, oh, okay

he's gonna do it he's gonna he's gonna do it and then he creates this song That to me feels like an end in the narrative. And to me... It felt like it was calling back to a bunch of different Childish Gambino moments and Really, when I think about like this is an end Childish Gambino experience, like this is the culminating thing is what it felt like to me. The basis of the song is the We Are chant, which was previously ZZT. Zero dot zero zero. It was the opening track to three 15 20. So it was like this meditation thing. Where they just keep chanting, We are, we are. And now that it's been reborn as this new song where he's fleshed out these ideas and given us this incredible ending. There's really like the second verse to me and just kind of how he finishes it but like

cruising and the police help me which calls back to like the end of because internet The We are God is a reference to things he was saying back then too. On some amount in kawaii and because internet we said we are becoming god his idea of like connected misson togetherness It feels like the song Stand Tall off Awaken My Love. And again, it's using the basis of the song from 31520. Mmm. It's not a specific moment, but like the second version to the end, the first time I listened to this it was like just, the experience was overwhelming. Like when I got to this and I was like feeling. Like the simultaneous memory of all those things. Yeah all these years Yeah, it's one of those things that's this moment definitely beyond my words. Yeah. For me at least. Yeah. Yeah. So this one really clicked when I heard it with...

- Headphones. Did you listen with headphones on your first listen? Okay. Just more than a car, I feel like this album really finds itself in the headphones, for me at least. Because there's a lot of spatial mixing going on. There's a lot of textures that really cut through with headphones more than the car, where you can't really make out a lot of the just very nuanced details. And we are God. Feels like, yeah, it feels more like an experience than a song. It's something you kind of walk into that you become part of or something. And I really felt that with the headphones. And I can't imagine what this is gonna feel like live. Holy shit. Yeah, like within a crowd, like yeah, it's a, we are God. Also just parallels with Kendrick, I will just say. I am with kendrick's on I am I am all of us the the universe

Notification theme but the we are God Idea like that. I feel like they're like on these weird parallel tracks philosophically, okay, so my third I wasn't sure which one to pick to be honest. I ended up going with Yoshinoya, just because I love the song. I love you know, I I do feel like there is like Pressure on Gambino to rap more things yeah and like he gives us enough rapping where I felt content. I wasn't one of those people that wanted to rap. I like him rapping, but he's also so good at everything else that it doesn't really matter. But this one is like a true -- well, the closest thing of a true hip-hop song, as you can call on this. Album, which is defying all these kind of genre limitations. But even within this more quote unquote hip hop song where he is rapping throughout the whole thing, just interesting choices, right?

He finds a flow and a cadence in the first minute of the song. And then a minute and four, the beat totally. Cuts off, we get a new sample, which is like a female voice. I don't know if it's a sample or cut up someone's actual voice that he recorded himself. And so it bridges from this beat that he establishes hear the sample and then all of a sudden we get these hard boom bat drums and he starts Rhyming right away when the drums come in. And it's such a surprising moment. His voice is distorted. Let's hear that. ♪ Boom boom boom, got the music boom boom boom ♪

♪ Cold red for old heads ♪ ♪ You never liked my short shorts and pro kids ♪ ♪ Been a minute since they had to ♪ - Yeah, I mean, it's just like some of the. Just, and I love that he's talking shit. Like, I love that. Talking about somebody's short shorts again. Yeah. Have you- I'm sure you've seen the theories that this is a Drake diss song. Are you buying the theory of this being a Drake diss song for content? I worry that we're too much to do yeah, we're to the drink hydrate, right? Yeah for the Drake did But he also he does this him yeah there is clearly some disses for sure and just for context that people don't know Gambino - I've been in an interview somewhat recently with the past couple of years about the inspiration behind This is America. Do you remember what you know? - So, he said, there's a... There's a thing he has said that like when he began making the song This is America So think about like a first draft

He made it as a quote Drake diss, which to me would be like parody, like he's making it to be a little bit like Drake. - Yeah, and the idea of like, this is America, he's Canadian, like this is all very well established now. But, and Drake, yeah, Drake did not take kindly to that. Drake then, after that came out on his tour, he had kind of- of like a ticker on his screen, like, you know, ESPN has the ticker scrolling text down below. He had a ticker around the stage and one of them was something about the over- And it was overrated. It also took Drake out of number one on the charts. I don't know if you remember that. This is America like supplanted, I think God's plan. - Oh, okay, okay. So there is some animosity there. And if you do listen to that song with that in mind, I feel like there are some very clear shots.

Which I love coming from Gambino. So, but yeah, not to the big, let's not talk about Drake anymore. So what's your third moment? The third moment for me, I love the last song on this album, A Place Where Love Goes. All my life I've had to try to survive, but it is all right now. We found a place, a place where love goes. Yeah, it's crazy. God, it's incredible. And I know in the movie, this is going to be cool. Like it's the kid saying it's like it feels like. Bando's bag that he's carrying in the trailer people have identified this it's a bag made by a company specifically to hold a recording device So physically keeps that

musical device on him, even in the apocalypse, which is crazy. But if I'm gonna guess that it's like Bando showing the kid how to make music, And that's why I saw the kids like, We don't care about the part. So it's gonna be good in the movie. I can, like I see it already. And I love the hook. We don't care about the party. We just want to dance. Yeah. But at the I want to I want to play this moment and then I'll say what you should listen for, I guess. But it's at zero minutes and 27 seconds to 32 seconds. So, we have the ho- We have the we don't care about the party. We just want to dance and then there's laughter like I didn't catch it on my first time but like when you hear the laugh like that's got to be legend probably laughing having Fun making the song like thinking about that moment. Yeah, like it. Yeah.

Is incredibly endearing. - Yeah, well, it's even interesting within like the thing that you pointed out about Gambino or Glover's work, where it's this interaction of character. Artists, I guess so it's bando, Gambino, Glover, the interaction between them. His real-life son who is also a character in the movie, played by Banda, played by an artist. He's legend. Yeah. So it's just like that. And as the conclusive moment that does feel very conclusive on the album and talking about the future. Yeah. Talking about the future. This is the literal future. This is the literal seed. It really feels like it's like tying things together. Together in this really like a way that we can't really articulate at this moment but feels like something important and as the last quote-unquote Gambino song which technically right this is the last from him from him yeah

So this yeah, so if this is if this is really the last gambino song on the last gambino album It has that love thread that literally a place where love goes, it ends here, ends with the future. Like it feels very conclusive. We got to figure this out. All right, yeah, beautiful moment. That song's gonna go fucking crazy live. - Yes. - Can you imagine that song live? - Oh my God. - Oh my God. So a lot of these songs are just gonna be insane. Yeah. That's going to be insane live. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is that got to that's got to be right. Yeah. That's got to be. That's going to be insane live. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, what were you saying? - I was gonna say, my understanding is, from people at the New York performance, was that...

Upon hearing this legend was there, like Donald's family was there, and him and his mom, and they were just having the best time. When they're like. Yeah. Yeah, this is amazing. And I'll just say as a dad, like I just 100% get where he's coming from. I get the kind of. All the things he's been saying in interviews where it's like, I've got a family to raise. I'm not really worried about all this other stuff that I've been worried about in the past. I'm really just focusing on.

My family, the love of my family, the seeds that I'll be blossoming in the world, the future. And you really do understand the importance of that, of your kids being your greatest contribution to the world, because it is the future, who then they control the next generation. And it is this like unifying thing that you really just feel when you have children. And it really does isolate you in some ways to the rest of the world. - In a positive way, I feel like. I do feel like we all should be prioritizing our children more than anything else, and that pays dividends. To the future, right? Again, Kendrick essentially ends Mr. Morale on the same exact type of thing, not to keep talking about Kendrick and then Drake, but the year of Kendrick and Drake, 2024. - Yeah. - So, yeah, I feel good.

Even talking through this episode, I'm just more in love with this album. There's so much to explore. Oh, it's going to be a great year. This is the best. We're going to come together on our year-end, annual year-end favorite music. Of the Year podcast, which I'm sure will talk about this album a little bit more then and probably have more of the concepts fleshed out. For sure. So we can look forward to that. But that does transition us unless you had anything else on bandwidth. No, that was an excellent transition, Cole. Yes, you like that. I'm getting better at this hosting thing. So we're going to transition into our favorite three albums of the year so far. We're not going to talk cray- -Easy in detail, we just wanted to give you guys some recommendations that you might have not have checked out yet and that we're really loving so far. So why don't you give one of your picks first? All right, so my first pick would be Bando Stone and the New World. Of course. Yeah.

Yeah, no, we had two Childish Gambino albums in one year. I don't know how I'm going to do this top thing. I know. Yeah. We might have to- We might have to. I'll figure something out. Yeah. When I wanted to talk about for real, McGee's album, two star and the dream police. Okay. It is like the indie alternative rock type of thing. He's a collaborator with Dijon, which we've talked before on end of the year pods. It's an excellent album, excellent guitar. Our work on the album and the song at least is in particular. I'm like this that was my favorite song before the Childish Gambino songs came out. That was my favorite song.

- K dot G-E-E, McGee. - Okay. - Yeah. - All right, I've never even heard of this artist, so I'm excited to listen. I didn't listen to it before, so I'm definitely gonna check it out. I'm gonna go with the obvious one. I'm gonna go brat. Yeah, Charlie X This album is so good. It's so good. It's so fun. It's getting a lot of praise. I think for the right reason, you know, it's just a blast. And... - It is. In particular, the remix of the girl so confused with Lorde is... One of the best songs I've heard in a long time. If you're not familiar, I haven't even done a full deep dive on it in terms of the backstory, but it sounds like they're...

Was tension between Charlie and Lorde, and they essentially worked it out on this song. - Let's work it out on the remake. It's so good, yeah. Yeah. But it goes perfectly with this idea, like it's exploring all these insecurities that some women feel and they really... Really just, like, especially Lorde lays it all out, where she's talking about how their relationship was tainted from her own insecurities of her own kind of -- body issues that she was dealing with and not wanting to go out in public and all these things that I don't know it was just such a crystallization of

Yeah interpersonal relationships worked out through a song i just thought it was so inventive and i just i've never heard a song like that and you really feel the authenticity of these words coming through so but the whole album is great super fun my kids love it um it's just a great and it's you know it's innovative but poppy and it hits all the marks that i feel like uh at a critically acclaimed but successful popular album should hit so check out brat if you have it already. Mika's Laundry by Matt Champion. This is a member of Brockhampton.

Who made music that doesn't sound anything like the way he sounded on proc hampden yeah but it is it's again it's very He also has Dijon on this album. This was like my whole beginning of my year was the McGee album and Nikas Laundrie by Matt Champion. It was these two albums was like. Most of the beginning of my year were like, it's really good songs. He's like trying a bunch of. Of weird stuff. He's sounding he doesn't have like a good singing voice. I love that. I love that album. It's so inventive and different and he's just being weird. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, okay another album. I have not checked out yet, so I definitely will okay the next one I'll go for is schoolboy Q

Lulips. So this was my early contender for album of the year. We'll see if it makes it to the end. The year as that I don't think it will but it's a great album. I mean talk about someone that's continually evolving, not putting out a ton of work, but when he does, it's important, and he feel the evolution from album to album. A lot of experimentation on on blue lips a lot of In the same way we were talking about Bando and also Mr. Morale, you know, Scoop Boykio.

Who is a dad now, and he doesn't, you know, he obviously has some like braggadocious stuff on it, but it's kind of mixed really well with some more sentimental stuff where you are feeling a genuine evolution in the person and their life, and, you know, expressing that in their music, which is, you're authentic, and you really feel that. So I just was, yeah, it's, it's something I've returned to more than a lot of the albums that I listened to this year. Done, well produced, well thought out, a lot of people's favorite album of the year so far and for good reason. So do you have another one? - No, my last one, I mean, look. It's odd that like, like dark times I've been staples was great. I really liked the Claro album, but child is Me to put out two albums, Cole. Charles can put out two albums. What else am I going to talk about? out like that's how I yeah

I feel like I haven't listened to the dark times yet. Just because I haven't listened to like the new rap city. There's a few albums that I've just been waiting 'cause I wanted to give it the full attention. I just haven't had that yet. There's been obviously the Kendra. Really good songs on Dark Times like I really do like that album I heard great things and I just don't want to disrespect it by kind of just putting it on and passing right it makes sense because I've been to a lot of outcasts for Last Long Standing and I've been listening to a lot of Kendrick. The whole Kendrick beef kind of put me in this weird Music warp for this year where that's all it's got to pay an attention to for about a month or two I just haven't had the chance to listen to some of these albums that are getting some acclaim. So I'm definitely gonna definitely gonna listen to Dark Times. I need to check out Rhapsody's new one. I haven't spent that much time with No Worries yet, the new No Worries project. Yeah, there's a few that I've just been saving so that all that to say my list is not maybe as.

Thought out or expansive as I want it to be at this moment. But I will say if I'm being honest which I try to be on these things we don't trust you by metro and future Definitely one of my most listened to albums, although I only listen to like five songs, but I've played those five songs like countless times in my car. Yeah, so I'm trying to be true to what I've actually listened to. So I'm definitely not saying that's like my ally. Of the year by any means but if I'm trying to say true I have been listening to that a lot and I also will shout out Lupe Fiasco's new album Samurai if you're Just want to boom bap, insane lyricism and flow and concept. Go listen to Samurai. It's, if you like Lupe Fiasco, I think it's like one of his best works.

In a long time. But we will return to our favorite albums. We'll give our... Official rankings at the end of the year like we always do in December. Yeah, thanks. Thanks for joining me. This was really good. - Thanks Cole. We gotta talk about Childish Gambino. - Imagine if this was a clunker. - No, I can't, no. We're not gonna. - But not now you can't. - All my fears, every nightmares I had. I mean everything that he's put out is great but there's you know he's doing a lot he's very busy, he's got a family, he's got all these creative endeavors, there's a world in which this album is just not that great. And he really came through with maybe my favorite Childish Gambino album of all of them. Glad to hear that. Yeah, yeah. I think it's definitely the most well produced, I think, hands down. Like...

I'm in shock. Really? But yeah. Beyond what? It makes sense. Beyond what? Because the internet is extremely well produced. A Week in My Love is extremely well produced. It is, but it feels like Child's Play compared to this album. In my mind. In my mind. - I want, and I'm gonna have to hear about why that is more and more. We got time. - I mean, it's the same people doing it better. - Yeah, that's true. - They all got better. Anyways, all right, thanks Cam. We'll talk to you soon.