Are we thumbing us? Yes? Yes, that's right, clapped. There's no light on the camera, there's never of that MIKE's all around you know for being tabled here of senior always being taped rights like London. Hello and welcome to this emergency instalment of the five three politics podcast, I'm Galen, droop, Senator Kamel Harris from California, has dropped out of the democratic primary. She was considered an early favorite in the press, in the polls and even in betting markets, but in recent months she had flat land in the low single digits in the polls. We spent some time on the pod cast earlier this week discussing what happened to her campaign, but now that she's out of the race, we're gonna die back into that question and also address some other questions, and here to do that are editor in chief needs over how the current good and I want to. I want to disclose with that

part of that early consensus that thought come. Oh Harris was a pretty formidable top ten. Tender for the nomination. I remember that UKIP picking her in our early drafts, also popular pic, is Senor politics. Writer, Clementine High back out of it, so soon yeah and managing editor make a common area birket so, we know from our discussion earlier this week that her campaign was struggling but clear. Why did Harris decide to drop out today on December? Third? Well, if we can probably safely say that she ran of money in part because well in her in her letter to supporters, she said

that she doesn't have a financial resources. It needs to continue. She laid off staff in New Hampshire about a month ago, kind of to the surprise of some people in New Hampshire and it's kind of getting to the point. What's the what's the date in December that the financials are well December, thirty version of Korea we can talk about this in more detail. But we talk just on yesterday's podcast about sort of the differing strategies at her campaign had at different points you know are, do more of a retail Iowa campaign. Are we gonna do a national viral moments kind of campaign, and I think you know is, as I believe I was looking at twelve this morning and saw reports of you know a big add by and in Iowa by a pack of associated Pack but ice is that things kind of ground to a halt at me. Now also, we were in an all staff meeting and it came as quite a super to me when I saw that yeah we're. So you have to work on this week, is actually a statistical model to print

when will cabinets drop out under different circumstances. Funny coincidence, my intuition- is that this is a little bit aid to drop out and a little bit surprising. She clearly is not angry. Shape is she's. Four percent, or so in national poles, but like for peace, it is actually good, firm, fifth or sixth. He's depending on where Michael Bloomberg and a couple of other people are, she had the second most endorsements in the field. She had decent amounts of money behind runners, but right after that kind of tears, I think they're kind of two theory, about the time you're losing this, maybe they'll, be more reporting and you'll know right, but one theory that yeah she is running a big fulfilled campaign with a lot of staff high birth rate, cash wise, and she knows what she's making every day from fund raising, and if bleeding money and and

Annabelle rate. That might be one reason, a drop out at all add to that name from reporting that we have already seen that in the third quarter of this year she spent dollar forty for every dollar she took in sir. She was burning through millions already. We know that, but there is also a debate in two weeks, which is two and a half weeks almost sixteen days, if you can survive sixteen days, but anyway, was your other theory, gonna be running gonna theory, is that she is trying to preserve her dignity. With respect towards maybe being VP contender with respect toward her long term, standing in California is one thing that happens is that when you run for president, you become less popular at home and by the way and sit like California, especially with their top to primary system. You have to work, about in the democratic trying to usurp you right and or that like because there was too, well on her staff, I mean the Times peace that had a surprise. We high amount of on the record,

people really pushing back at Harris, even even in Amazon, read like pre, more but you areas and so make because it's really not very tenable, I am loose, allies operations that going well but like, but usually com its way till they have no chance at all before the drop out or there's some scandal right. Secondly, we can wait. One of the chance was one percent. Five percent when used lacking when it gets it like zero percent before they before their willing to pull the gag ye, I asked I wonder whether the staff turmoil played an outsize role here, because it one thing if your languishing in the pause, your burning money, but you feel, like you know. We have a strategy here. Let's stick with that yeah and hope it pays off. It's a whole another thing when you're languishing in the pause, your burning money and your campaigns in disarray, you're, jumping from strategy to strategy. So I wonder if you're just like, I said

I think it's a big thing. I mean the fact that two separate pretty well sourced articles about the scored on her campaign came out in the last month was not a great sign that so many people are willing to basically talks MAC about the campaign. All note that all of these stories and a lot of the anecdote floating around centre around the fact that her sister was sort of the power centre on the campaign without a sort of specific who, like who report her. You know how much is here is listening to her sister verses, her campaign manager and I think in some ways is perhaps a cautionary tale about those family there are obviously stronger than professional ties, and I thank you it binds campaign as kind of the opposite being an example of the other direction. It can go, by his sister. Has famously or not: famous Lakers, who knows the stuff if politics famously for politics, hurt his sister.

Running campaigns right up until this one, which he did not run, and I think perhaps that was a good decision. You know just because these are obviously really tense professional situations, and I think when you involve family dynamics, anyone who works with their family knows that it can be fraught. So I you know, I think, that's that's an interesting nugget in all of this. Don't mix biz, listen family people that, unless your family business, even which happens that some five thirty eight advice for, if I mean it, seems we want in pretty well for the trumps. I think family businesses are great, define well I remind you as president of the United States, and that seems to be a pretty big success for the truck family. Let's not get into how his business is actually doing, but can we go back to its Harris, the biggest drop out so far in Turkey biggest as judge I who we thought

had the best chance going it cause. Nate wasn't alone in rating Harris highly. I think we all did. No. I don't think that a mean, so you had a brief moment where it better at the top of the conversation right, but that was more of a kind of brief shining one shunning moment for better, whereas here to someone who, I think, if you had looked back at like our prime, a drafts and our various and it like speculative activity is right, but you I mean, I think, uniformly for a long time the time she was always regarded adopt here. Contender, You know, and by the way this leaves us with a very wide field of Democrats where the six came to us this morning have qualified for the debate are all white of workers? Not qualified young is not qualified. Gabert is not qualified. Its sixth white people terms tat scoffing than goods. Tire. That's amazing,

Everything. That's that's really interesting. No, it is that we should get into this Clare. To her eternal credit, wrote a piece years to enhance heat about how the future of the Democratic Party was looking very white and and very mail, and look where this is an all white panel and we're gonna have some pieces on the site later this week. Exploring this question of why non white candidates why women seem to be struggling in this primary, but it really jumps out at you. You know, like six months ago, Democrat you know rightly were passing themselves on the back for having such a diverse field and up not only such a diverse field, but I'd diverse and straw

field it. It seemed like right where you had come: a Harris, Corey Booker. They they seem like really viable promising candidates. How much of this is the result of a premium put on Iowa under Hampshire? I mean maybe it's difficult to part the specific reasons, but if we're paying so much attention to those early it is not really affecting us. I think it's gotta be, but I also that I've, I think, may be first, I would like to premium put on quote: unquote, elect ability. I think that is I'll general election stuff? And yet I mean you know, and I think I got a lot of critique when he jumped in that he was running a general election campaign that Buddha judge. I think it's they critique, and I think for those candidates, they're kind of with the There were New Hampshire Focus Release for input judges case spied. Nothing would make the case that he can win Post island,

sure states, but you know the idea that the upper Midwest looms large in Democrats mines, you, no voters who went for tromp and twenty sixteen to the party was of reeling, that they lost some of those voters. Those voters were largely white men. If there were men and so there has become this. I think this is the power of power of conventional wisdom in some way is right. We ve talked a lot about the idea that government borders are being more strategic in their voting, this here than any other here that they ve placed winning above all, even you know who does this other can't? Does this candidate match my particular ideology and thy? Think post sixteen. So I wrote those peace. The future of the Democratic Party is Doktor, TAT, white, guys, question mark. If in twenty seventeen, because it seemed like Party was in this period of disgust, and then between do we need Canada

who can turn out more folders are minority and who haven't voted as much before or do we want candidates who are going to turn out Gorgon appeal to Obama Trump voters. Less talk about was Can we have someone who does both right, the Obama coalition thing and in some ways feel like the we need to back Obama, Trump voters, a k: let's get some people with who are white and generally appealing and who wants scare off those voters. I feel like that argument seems to be winning in some ways this just the look a bit like a debate stage rate like look at who is when there is. Obviously Elizabeth Warrant is woven. Obviously, Mccloy Bashar as a woman, but I know it it's interesting to watch it kind of filtering. I feel like I care about Iowa, I think giving too little emphasis to

happens when you have a really fricking white state to really rights, states that go first, and how different its primary look. If you flip the order, let's say you have South Carolina go first and if I go second and then Iowa in New Hampshire, you know, I am think mere people be as much of a part. The conversation as he is maybe maybe Harris Dumay. She didn't have members in South Carolina are Nevada, but, like it very much different, raise right, should like a natural for like the kind of western the state. You know, statements and then can regain blocks?

where they will be very different conversation. I think so it not. I I agree with that. I think the fact that the calendars front, loaded with really white states like does play a big role in just forming views of the rays but made you just gonna glanced over this. But if you look at poles of South Carolina and Nevada Biden, Sanders Warren lead in both states, so that that's that's only to say that I think, but Clare was talking about, which is this conversation about Elect ability, perceptions about elect ability in the general election is really just coloring everything, by the way as pariahs written for a site that that includes, hispanic voters, black voters who are saying to themselves? Who, who are these white working class voters in the Midwest Gonna gonna vote for AIR Harris, also ran to her left, though she ran, I think, pretty far left

on several issues, which was an obvious necessarily going enemy. She had kind of a record where some people left did not port her record, as attorney general on prosecutor and I'm a little bit less sympathetic, Debility argument you dont really seem to be making very many of us. Else general election voters. When people see you it we're saying her. The South Carolina is not very representative of the Democratic Party either we actually my hunch, the numbers- figure out which states are representative of the Democratic Party and the top five our Illinois, New Jersey, New York, Florida and Nevada, so Nevada that hot five, but all like Hampshire, Iowa and South Carolina are all very unrepresentative priority that most politics in politics reporting is just like your ass bs. Maybe I should phrase that differ grass going to prove that most politics

Joe Wisdom and reporting is quite thoroughly sixty percent both, but everyone else, ninety percent it is. It is interesting how we cover five. Thirty, eight covers the primary before we have a statistical model of the race right and made is literally working on this model. Right now, is something we think about and talk about a lot and you will you kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place in that you know you can look up pause. You can look at fund raising look at endorsements. You can try to be as data driven as possible, but it is really hard to judge the state of this race in an ad hoc way, just through your brand, already answered a question. Why do things happen? Because there's a million different factors that into any one event and trying to like nail it down. You know this isn't like a scientific study that we're going through re. Absolutely that's even harder. The why, but, but also like so weird

kind of saddle, is before we have a statistical model. What again to be clear, we do not have that. Yes, we will be launching that soon before we have that. It's not like, we can just say well, who knows you know? Maybe Harris will do well, maybe not who the hell knows. Instead, we kind of we. We said on this place of like here's, what the data suggest, here's, what it looks like here's, what we think but who the hell knows. I'm in Harris was third place. In the polls until April when she was overtaken by kind of simultaneously by worn and Buddha Church, and embedded fell back and then aerospace up again to second place and like, but you someone who never had a pulse. In the polls right I mean, there's nothing. Ok, she's third place it's a to living candidates are really old. She has raise a lot of money at first. She has a lot of endorsements like if you programme is a model. I think the model would probably not regarded as more elected and Biden nor Bernie, maybe Bernie, but it would have

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our faces in the party I mean she's woman fifties, but that still considered young for democratic candidate. Given the sort of top hat of baby boomers in and war, babies that that run for office in the Democratic Party, its nominations for president so she was an interesting face. She was a big fundraiser. She was even ass. She pushed back on it. Should your comparisons to Obama thing, I'm thinking just sitting here in an and thinking over all the people who I've made the debate of the people have dropped out. You know swallow dropped out. He was never really Canada, but he's a California guy she's at Vienna, she's a California person came up and sort of San Francisco machine politics for lack of a better way. To put it, I kind of wonder how much I'm seeing that the people are still a campaign who are who were leading kind of big time. Biden Sanders Warren boot. Judge, throng Kano running these legs see sometimes foe, folksy feeling campaigns about like

I'm from the MID West store, I'm from Oklahoma. Were you know I've got middle class job I've beyond middle? Could I'm Scranton Joe? My brother serves the military there's like a lot of these sort of now, it's to court on coal. Heartland, values, you no small town, he values and- and pardon me does wonder with all the various complicated things had fallen to phrase but like our Canada to feel too coastal kind of being reacted to buy voters I mean like that, the fact that Harris was she's a polished, professional, black men whose you senator- and I think that there are some stuff comes along with that and it goes into which operates on mistress, podcast, the idea that women and women of color, perceived as being more liberal, add onto that. Like California, Coastal and you ve got stuff. Now I know that Bernie Sanders from New York under the President, United States from New York, but there is to me something about these. Like that the sort of subtle message

about like? I shop at coals kind of that. That's like that particularly drives through the Sanders and Warren campaigns and for any kind of Buddha judge. There's like a little no there's something there and I think it's our certainly there with Obama right yeah. He talked about like we don't have a blue or Red America and he based his campaign very kind of famously out of Illinois. So I I limber looking it a map. Recently words like here the three dominant personality types in the: U S right, there's like let us as we did that map there's that really weird bizarre map. Yet this is interesting is like neuron, a system which is a guy in the northeast. Unlike you know, I mean I would think you could describe trumpets neurotic in that sense and maybe to write and, like that's his personality, type, that we know plenty of politicians that have right in the Midwest, its Agreeableness maybe more than mere paid. Are the Obama thing on the West Coast, more alike, relaxed laid back in

oh and we really dont have a lot of successful examples of of West Coast politicians performing well, I don't know about that. Any Ronald Reagan Frickin, eighty years ago, eighty years ago, eighty years, nineteen, eighty so long, ago, eighty years ago, It's been a long time since regulating considering like the share population that California is, you expect to have all the times like, yet all the time contender from New York in Massachusetts and the MID west and stuff like that. You look at the many from therefore, I think the kind of laid back personality doesn't always trance. Well, I think also you have other disadvantages, so we ve been doing research. There are rather profound Roy general advantages in the primary right. So that means it. How from the north eastern region, specifically or from the MID West because it helps you and I were, or New Hampshire and feed, I'm out of those states. Unlike then like people on care that much about Nevada sore

without a right but like I think there should be more equity in kind of those first Forsayd sprang IDA. Media monopolies send us to Nevada. Also sounds down like I was joking about like this, because in sports, like a big chuckle, it's kind of EAST Coast media bias Right there is something where, if you're on the West coast than you're different, timezone you're, not kind of visible you're not covered as much and like, I think they're actually is like a slight east coast, biased and primaries your smiling during my Clare. I finally get something out of things to say: I mean I don't know if I should say them right now: the distant think, there's a sheen of California in particular site it to hammer on California, California in particular, has this place in America in the american imagination, particularly in the twenty first century, as this hub of wealth and dislike a different kind of like essentially like better living than the rest of us, I mean, I know it- catches on fire,

maliciously often now, which is crazy but, like you know, California, each dilah, while not anymore, but like my friends, California College had like had avocado than I hadn't, which no sense stupid, but it's like California is kind of different in peace those imaginations and- and I think that that has a real effect like I'm gonna, get a lot of eight. He put forward here, but I'm just trying to article something which is being a senator or a rapporteur or a whatever, from an from a really financially successful, sunny ass state, a time when the country, particularly the states that are the tipping point states mid western states where use you do see somebody, interior cities losing Amazon headquarters, or you know suffering the closure of regional media operations or seeing brain drain. I think actually like it's kind of like

when a regular voter sits down and says like which of these people, understood My life is like they're, probably less likely to thinking offering a politician in general kind of gets what it's like to drive. You note scrapes no off here, car to Strip Mall in like when you are headed to like the gym there, I don't know then, but they're, just like a whirlwind like texture of life, that maybe people feel like those politicians miss or in the democratic primary voters of all kinds, thinking other voters, wallet yeah like the thing, but if need were referencing the same map I saw, which did show like the West Coast as like the creative. Personality type, which is so annoying, it also showed new Lynn as the most uninhibited region like what is the little now I like who don't I Thank you want it might be referring to. Is that, like people in Boston or New York fight in public with strangers, in a way that people in

the rest of the civilised country don't hear reunited doing. Can I explain something to people who, at the time Iowa, nice means some being like bit. It means being politely, but he doesn't mean that everyone's nicer onto something that people miss Evelyn people in the Midwest are just as shady they just do it like a are blocked. Do it, ll ever less your heart. So if you're from Ohio or Michigan you're, really kind friend, Jimmy requires from Ohio and may put under a product on the product, though so my dad's from California, my Mama's from New York, so I feel like actually I'm qualified and I think this kind of three dropped like sort of old up or a new Englanders uninhibited yeah. That's right, you ve been alike. Have you been in the Fox words, casino, ok,

I see no wonder tat morning, yeah hurry. I am much it even than any casino. I want to thank even a lotta casinos. Nothing is more unlimited, LAS Vegas, because I thought in the north anyway, I'm cutting us off here. Let's get back to Paris and yes, you know there are, as we imagine, a lot of different factors that go into this. We talked on Mondays podcast about the racial and gender aspects that go into. All of this is obviously not just California, verses, Ohio versus New York or whatever. It there's a lot because into this. But before we end, let's talk about how this affects the rest of the field. Harry's is no longer in. She was at four percent who to her supporters, go too well. Ok, so let's it's come at this question from a couple of different ways. If you look at polling, hey who's, your second choice right, then you would think most of Harris's voters will go to top tier worn and by then, and there

in some order booty Judge Sanders Club Russia, that's like, for example, what economists yoga pulling shows its similar to what morning, consult pulling, shows more council had it in order by twenty two percent Warren twenty one percent sanders. Fourteen Booker nine percent Buddha judge some percent for its worth. We in Poland, we did with excess around debates. We asked people not to pick one candidate, but who are you considering voting for and what that fines isn't something dramatically different, but basically, there's about a sixty percent overlap between Harris and bite in potential supporters, which is about the same as ours overlap between Harris and Warren potential supporters, followed by in order Sanders. Forty one percent bitter judge forty one percent Booker thirty three percent- now,

I don't think it's a simple, I'm a magic! Here's what you think. I don't think. It's simple, though, as I am actually cures for clear, gale and think I don't think it's as simple as like. Ok, this candidate drops out and then the voters are like. Oh, who is my second choice again. Ok now be, let me move there I would imagine Harris dropping out what kind of effect the race and more a more holistic. I think it's like. Maybe it's at the period of time, when people, is going with like their animal instincts and they're saying like who the winner, radio and so no, if you're seeing I dont, know his point off the top of my head, like war, it's kind of been in a little bit of like a stasis and slept but it'll its effects, something ok, yeah and boot. It is like you do, very well in the first couple of states he's rising like does that make a difference to go back to the holistic way, do people smell like ok, look who's the winner by.

Been talked about as like the winner, the electable one forever so like between Sanders and worn and Buddha Judge who else feels like a winner, and I can't think the person with the with the winner edge right now for the past. Two bullets has been Buddha, judge caveats a lot of problems. Why also wonder to go back to the help of a stick more holistic effects? I wonder if there's a cycle in the media, and maybe even amongst voters where they maybe look at the next debate. Look at you know. However many white men are gonna be on that stage, and certainly how many white people are gonna, be on that stage and think to themselves ocean. Do we have a problem here and so in that sense, I think people are gonna, think that maybe not maybe not but it, but I just think. If that does happen, then you would imagine. Harris dropping out could benefit

book area, if you're, if you're core backers campaign, you're happy after figuring out exactly the right tweet to compose doing little face upon because you need some spark to get you into the next debate And I mean it is a big fricking problem that, like All these candidates are white right, isn't it among not for artists like waiting for us in what sense, a big problem in that like that is natural outcome. You'd expect from a party you started with the most diverse field ever accord on quote and where the fortune of there's or non white. You know you would expect Pontio why Canada, but not like every on stage to be white, before we can reach the first primary subversion, even have an option to like volition, I mean it's, it seems The voters have had an effect on that's right like like, if, if maybe I'm wrong, I voted in favour as highly there? Maybe they're gonna go. Maybe we can see that a basic be like, or your peddling Booker did tweet something like pictures

us hugging anyway. Claire Flare Clare. You should do a piece about candidate tweets when another candidate drops out I particularly great job no, but but maybe I'll be wrong and people will see the debate stage and will say Yanks. This is really white. We started off with the really diverse range of can it's fine, but maybe they're fine with that field. Right like let's go back to black voter For instance, right Booker and Harris have not been the choice of black voters. Why? I mean a lot people will say what lessons we ve already had. The first by president we're not gonna just vote for every single black Canada who comes there we we are black black letters are historically, chief voters, even if that's a new thing for the rest of the Democratic Party and there they haven't gone for the black in its Chelsea. Gabert is like kind of a fringe candidate, so so the idea that that maybe It is just what voters think when

in twenty twenty against drop. I think it is. I think what you just said is exactly right, which is a lot of voters if a whatever the share is you know, are in our survey, for example, with Ipsos. It found basically, two thirds of likely democratic primary voters are prioritizing beating tromp over Canada that matches them more closely on the issues enough. Voters are saying to them. So Maybe we need a white candidate or even maybe we need a white male candidates to beat tromp that is affecting the primate. I don't think that's what Clara saying it seems to me, like voters of color may have preferences that don't align with their specific raise, regardless of maybe even this question about Elect ability in Paris, peace. There was out on the site this week. The black left is supporting Elizabeth Warren and has been very clear that there are policy preferences that they have that are, regardless of race

and let me in this debate is also had over. You know the use of majority black districts in the south and a lot of black activist, don't like those kinds of districts, because while they do for the election of black politicians? They don't necessarily represent their policy preferences known and I am sure, but both things are true right You have a lot of vote up a lot of parent to see that they allow blackboards just really like Biden. He was a bomb, as vice president, they they know em. He has long established as in the community, but also elect ability, is such an overriding concern for Democrats that I think it would be naive to think it's not playing some role in making the topped here more white and and more male, and but I think they were saying Clare Opposite, correct me. If I'm wrong here but like, I think, you're right that it has been voters who, at the for the most part others have gotten us to the field whereat. Now, what I'm wondering is if the voters,

and have a moment when they see that field crystallized with like lots of seven candidates on the stage and are all white whether they then have everything, but maybe not yet- and I I don't know religious criminals, annulment, there's want me, I just. I don't think that I think that people kind of know what they're getting yeah yeah I mean it does feel like off the elephant in the primary is Biden, and this is, I think, a good development for Joe Biden to number one the only Canada he really got quite a few endorsements apart from Biden is Harris. She's out the contingency where Booker or Harris comes back and becomes a problem for him in South Carolina. That's now half reduced right now is it Well, I mean, if you like, is going to help. Right butters, one candidate where, like ice, we talk about us. Didn't we stay, I think. Come Irish did scruple other things you have said so in real time. I can't figure out why why Booker hasn't gotten a longer look Randall

maybe now club jars also somewhere. She. The only if as someone who is not the top for in his qualify for the debate and is not. Tom style or someone unorthodox. Let's call it then but our economy only alternative, maybe right, and so she could benefit a little band. I guess Harris at the second largest number of endorses of, like big, like of art, on our tracker of thy kind of like the people who how did you know so? She's got some people and who I wonder how. Reallocate their support, particularly people in Ohio, Michigan Florida, and decent number of like gave him now ass people. I don't know that it's going to happen if, right now, some of the congressional by caucus members who endorse terrorist either quickly went to Biden or Booker, or anyone else that would be pretty significant, yeah baby rush,

Erica Wilson, Marcia Fudge. Those are all Harrison, tortures and I'm kind of curious about who, though, or if they will endorse or filters do what a lot of other elected officials are doing. As we talked about yesterday and disorder say whoop. This act and tell them you- are not in a way yeah yeah and come back to what we are taught. My earlier to that point. Voters aside, I'd. I wonder if democratic, let's have a moment where they say you know what having a top tier of only why only male candidates or some mature therein is a problem: hey, let's roll back, let's for our backing! Guy bucker, hey! Let's let rally castrated Castra on the cap all right, let's rather Doncaster, not a good sign. If, but that's my point, so I think

actually had a longer conversation. Then we originally set out to have which is great of we people enjoy it. I've lively discussion in our use of California, Europe has now am. I m. Just kind of Ghana has to edit it I'm gonna leave a lot of the sun like a lot of the back and forth was interested and even re great editors. Now now I'm gonna leave lotta this, but anyway, what is next final, generic lighted tax for Harris's political career, BP well yeah, so I've been getting text messages from non staff. Members about people, just like people ends eight, not people on the street people I know being like. Oh, she won't be VP. You know the idea, and I think I think what that is is if people expect to go back to our earlier conversation. Ok have the voter spoken. Do they want a white field of can do they want a white man to be the nominee? Then? I think you into the interesting thing of the VP speculation which is well. Should it be

person of color should it be a woman of color enter me with Internet Stacy Abrams for a long time as a person nominee. She in fact said I would love to be VP. You know I hear you could potentially see Comma Harris sort of saying I got out before I was. I was mostly do you guys are reminded that went I would be about Joe Biden would take her in a harp. Harpy yeah, I mean I think, Harris Abrams and Booker the three most obvious repeat given that you have a very white field of yeah of top of the ticket nominees book earning look. I was ass, a kind of I mean. That's it. That's a question of like ok. If Biden becomes, the nominee he's had some

comparable moments with Booker Harrison, debate, stages or our or Booker spent in a lot of the summer kind of basically saying like what have you done to help a black America lately? That was like the not so subtle message of his summer, but there in some ways, makes the endorsement more powerful right. So Booker might not do it. I don't know it's his had. Her hair is meant to do it. They both seem like they probably would but like, and they both by the way from safe, democratic governors. He wouldn't have an issue you lose it appointee, but yeah I mean, if you know a few, and I didn t really big argument on outcast Clara later on? If you go on twitter and say we need such a great mentor and you know all the more its powerful need silver fan, exciting, boldly clear which do not meet on twelve May. You could say nice things about clear two eyes. I read

that's how it would work for you to arrest of first of all, abide and would have to say really nice things about the potential VP camp. Anyway, just say it sovereignty on Castro, release the statement and this park. Casper written statement that commended the Harris campaign for the campaign run and said the media coverage of her campaign has been quote something else, so she was held to a double standard and it was quote grossly unfair and unfortunate interesting. I think we would also be interested in hearing him elaborates on specific examples given. That is something we that is, that the media gave Harris very earnest look. I think he is referring alike politico and at times articles interesting. Won't, let's leave things there. Thank you mate thank again your Clare. Things scale and it was referring, was thinking, mica your work and we will be back from tomorrow, perhaps out or to cover,

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