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the special episode which you will hear now with our usual crew and it's our he too early twenty twenty democratic presidential nominee draft Harry NEAT and clear each went round the table, selecting candidates who they think have a chance getting nominated for the democratic nomination and potentially elected president in the twenty twenty presidential election. Obviously, this is very early to do this. This is all informed speculation. We don't have a model yet or anything like that, but it's something we think about as watches of politics, and here it is for you to listen to as well. So here we go take a lesson when we start drafting an early ground rules, Are any complaints in advance that if you want to lodge any caviars we're not making pray since you are right. This is a mental extra. We are implicitly making predictions area we are but by army, but we do think we're assuming that we're picking them as they're going to. I think we pick them, though, I understand her draft is that these are pics of who we think is going to run in twenty turning round.

It's the way things gonna win in twenty two right of access to exert a win, but a sort of a subset of that, as you think, they're going to run, but we kind of assume that all that they won't be an you want. You want your person to last, though August is the assumption that who have no not less yes, go. Some people could hang around my prevail, monsieur de so light. I find your own case egg. I propose a lock someone cupola case, there's not a last longer button programme itself. It's a winner takes all didn't didn't junkie six days at parties after the host is gone to bed with those budget clock, but he's like a I guess it like lingers fur- is thy station House guess go bad after you, like thirty month. They aren't unreal. I thought we said three days and years still here, like your underwear, so my shower specific Delia results, and I got shot mental diary like in the shower I mean like just lying around is John gave. I can never nude. Ok, stop so rivers

again. This is for Democrats only. We will do Republicans at some point as well. If we think that's going to be an issue, but let's go round the table, our politics editor. This is where you will deathly complain. Are positive, mica Random, selected the order here and Harry gets the first peck? Not me MIKE did Harry you get the first big Who is your number one pick for the twenty twenty democratic presidential race draft? I am going to stick with mine. One pick from last time. There was some belief that in my head that I would switch, but I'm going to stick with the junior senator from the State of California Kemal Harris Number one topic when he does make of them bad pick out and another year like they start some, I will tell you she was forth my board, so She wasn't first round me me, oh, my

back around then for her ear, but any longer in Algiers where in all seriousness, if you, if you are a reader of our chats online, you may know the bad pic is lowering joke, but now I think she's decent pay carry a thank you The reason why she wasn't at the very top of my leaderboard is because she's obviously buzzed about, I think she definite wants to run, if not in twenty twenty, that at some point, but to me she's like a little bit behind them, as far as being out there in the media like she's she's. Not quite is PR. Abby, yet I mean she had some really good moments during the confirmation hearing where people got excited about her, but I feel like she's been been Lang Low, a little bit number that strategy go away build a network and build staff? Ella constituency she's only been linked to the Senate fur just once There is even a leg out until doubtless she does. She have less of an infrastructure than Obama had three years before he ran

been. I don't know to forty them five m and he had a break out speech at the end before the vote that I don't, I don't care that guy who says, I think we have yet to see you in the field who is displayed savant, like Obama, talent, I think many people endless could but haven't seen that yet I dont think our energy on do this exercise in two thousand. And nine pretty sure every citizen, two thousand five. Yeah, Obama have gone right like he'd, be like us, Martha ramping, maybe guy I'll, probably Hilary ventilators, really hot- coming out of that for

yeah, maybe he'd, be like yeah. I think that you're dealing just with such as what field will get into, but just as quickly as you know, we spent on a prior episode so much energy on pointing out that black women voting power was becoming such a key part of democratic Party is such a key part that you know black women might feel it our time on that might feel it. They are time so ago with the leading black woman. She is the number one picture we can spend a fair amount of time on her, but we do want to move up a very quickly need just me you mentioned that you have to do this calculus in this game of whether both they're gonna be nominated than they're going to win. Is your hat patient about Harris that she get nominated or that a farmer she were naturally win a lot. Both I mean, I think, miss clear mention like she's we knew in office, and so I think, there's chance it. She wouldn't have the infrastructure that she wanted, although it probably helps to come from a state like hell, without a lot of the democratic donor base? California and a little bit of like is her name differentiated

of millet she's a cheese, a good pick me. She was forth her on my list at a like forty people I named my left does not for people along with your, we had more ok, It is not as helplessness. L Frank in his was demoted from petrol last number two by Michael Frank and climb alone, you're up MAX. You get the second pick according to make us totally random draw. Who is your My pick is Jill Brand of New York. Same is less than exactly I still feel good about her it's a savvy medical animal in this climate. With the Democrats, I think she has a sense ahead of wine and other democratic politicians. Where the party is going. I think she is a good shape, shifter, which is important in the political universe. I think she's

They read the red, the really well, and so she can sort of call on her. But a few days of being a congresswoman from a conservative upstage place that changed into this. Now people wish the sort of have this vision of her of this paper, the she is, a white woman who kind of has an aura of motherly aura that I think will appeal to people, and maybe she will escape some of the virtual that was directed towards Hillary Clinton, although maybe not just as likely as far as falling into female stereotypes. Other female politicians always face tricky little challenges, but I think she's a very strong contender. Was the last time you guys did this pick. Did this before this,

me too moment has your sort of get the has her stock risen related advance me she's, gonna run. We allow me that a lot of it every three months ago I was before it was for me to, and you think she sort of solidified a place because of that absence of your continued. It is a continuation of a trend that I've seen with her where she reads the direction that the base goes far beyond that she started with her disavowal of the Clinton saying you should have resigned, leading the charge on Frank, and I think it is absolutely early savvy political move, the ashes the lowest Trump truncated door she's? really softened with Tromp CBS. I think she is kind of conspicuously laying the groundwork

yeah tagged? She's running you been really on into that outward elated mightily. She comes and she's Emmi and I think she has the personality ends the background for it as well. She comes from for lack of a better phrase of upstate political machine family. Her grandmother was big and Albania politics. She has a fund raising base with New York people. She one of her mentors back in the day was a rope Lookin sets congressmen. Al D Amato seek irishman because he was heard understate centre. Ok, I don't I just She has the she's been in this world for a really long time. It doesn't phaser. You know she's relatively young woman in the scale of politics, but I mean she's there, sustained alike, to Hillary Clinton. Yes, she a positive or negative- well, probably both now, but she feels like a fresh. Faced and Hilary clearly go journeys. The voice of the voters will that she is also she's been I mean I I know, I'm not that order and I was around when she was

come here in New York and first running for Senate and I'll shoot. You know you brought the. She got things actually from the left, a firm for being too conservative and sort of shape, shifting way, but now she's definite, like not part of that. Old guard waiting in a union that is on the age sense of thinking that innovation is unjust. And yet, if you feel awful, if there was a legit sense in oh and twentys scene of like we're still dealing with the Clinton's. The Democrats have keep trotting out these sort of legacy names. Did she does would represent a break from that? Well, and she will have a complicated thing that right, because I think there is a way that you can very correctly say she is an explicit product of Clinton's, which is why she is, in my opinion, specifically disavowed Bill Clinton and made a poorly public break out. There was a than off and often But she did so. I think she's in some ways trying to cut off foresee ahead ways that

we'll be painted as a political clout. Fellow Jill bran. I agree, but I think it's very good picked out where I was tempted to select hers, well children as someone who reads political climate and runs towards them. She is not someone who stays in her view, points just because there are viewpoint, cheap matches, our viewpoint that the politest we're saying for proper I've ever heard her. Sit out when she was merrily. Conservative fairly, moderate, staring out of the ruins of the room then ran to the laughed ass soon ass. She was appointed to the United. Eight Senate and then, as soon as she read the me to movement, ran even further to the left. Ok, let's, let's move on Nate Third Pick a burning come on. We would never want to. My boy is number one. You boy he was your level are ever got the number and pack. So there's that

but I want to say like like, since we lasted a draft than two things have happened, but an important one of which is me to the second and which is endemic Have these big winds in Virginia and New Jersey and then Alabama, which kind of increases morale a little bit met. There's like a little bit less of a kind of burnt down mentality. I think at the margin both those things donors to think it makes it more likely that we will be taking. I think the fact that our kind of getting along might make someone who's. A bit more of a consensus Domini, but still There's a guy he's really popular democratic party, although he, while some people up, he was second place last time he certainly listenin reporting is thing is, though, he's gonna run, maybe not quite as explicitly is Jill a brand abbe difficult. You know, he's it interesting foil to tromp is ahead.

The pulling a definite like bravely favoured by any means, but, like I, just think that likes Hackney. None of these people is great and like a twenty percent chance, I think Bernie is at the top of the list of people who are who are at the heart of the type here he's really. Oh, he will be wait, a tiny set out in his brain I would say that Bernie Sanders Organs and seventy seventy six holy shit. So If I may turn seventy six, so that's all But if you are not like that, if he were fifty six and he would be like a Schumann. No may now be think that you I also have a lot of them right, but I actually kind of agree with that. I think I think one of the they things that to me, gives me your paws about standards and I think it's a good peck and I think he is. He is of the personality that he never stopped running. You know use youth and saw that in the can engine to a certain extent, I mean this guy as a lot of politicians with with sort of singular political vision.

Sees himself that the top job, because he wants to be a system change, but I do think that you know if he's gonna seven de Witt, no he's gonna be eighty. Seventy nine eighty that is that is, I think, some It would be so people surprise it's a big disco. I'm saying that, like ordinarily, you think here's a guy It was in second place by a wide margin, second place last time and seems to want to run again has done nothing overtly a drink to his ran ordinarily them that we obviously respect because the age thing, but one more thing to he knows how to play the game. His people are going to understand how to organise. A cock, a stick understand when you can pick up a few more delegates on them. Origin, I dont know happens. If it goes to the floor at the convention, if it helps them are heard some but like, but it helps to have experience having run mainly primary campaign before I've. U convincing me maybe picks now betrays an philammon. I my honour means a lot. You keep your back, but I do think it

Like you know, maybe he said that the persons who says listen. It's I'm probably only serve one term or I do know or like you can use a voter- can think that, but he's basically saying represent radical change, a revolutionary shift. You know a way back, and we're gonna rebuild from whence we I do have one term pledge that's right now. I think that would be in that endeavour is really interesting and kind of would play was so long to see a bunch of words have me stepping on eggshells when it comes to burn ability. If, since the last election, we ve had this me to moment Talks Perry mention a little earlier about sort of the Democratic Party, realising that its black base is a huge factor. I dont, like the term identity, politics, but Bernie has had a tricky relationship with that You know, as he had all kind of like, We're going against the winds of whether Democratic Party is heading just because he's a white guy who doesn't talk that explicitly about

I mean he's going rate and Chinese going against the demographic wind and toward the kind of ideological wind. So I'm not sure you know, and I guess you say, the demographic weight is a little bit more powerful. But again he the guy, who was the runner up last time with a bullet, no one, even close and so- and so I don't know, I guess I'd Snickers value there. I'm not gonna disagree with it being the number three pick over. I probably would have little bit lower buddy, certainly as a Marilla rotted vis, no nation, then he had for years. I pick you gonna make next week Have we hire them burning all want a good chance, this all the path that I make a stupid. I think that's obviously the general rule of this, but I would point out of the things number one Bernie Sanders, although he certainly probably won't faced the same deficit, black voters that he did last still as a whole and that no one wanted him down in Alabama this for the special action there is still a lot annexed.

Among older women against Bernie Sanders that should not be discounted, and you know- not sure you know I'm looking at this point. You know you could bring up. Oh, he was. He was your second place last time. If that to me meant that much then he would not be just, you know fairy who do you want a two percent of the nasty you does it does a good running meat for him? thousand of those problems real occurred. You pack is a running made as a sort of like trying to stop gap. Those I think I think I can overcome all- have to be pretty good in my opinion here, but I think he still has some issues on these fronts and certainly not going to spend one of the things that was interesting to me was Nate with saying: oh, he knows how to play the game. I thought night was actually on a different direction with that, and that is he has such good bona fides with the progressive or liberal org. You know, whatever view of the party currently that he could prove we actually afford to may be tat a little bit towards a centre in some way and still be able hold on that basis, a little ok, let's keep going on

why we spent a lot of time on each of the topics. We're gonna just good time, rip through the trinket. Maybe three rounds of this. If we can so Harry Europe again, we're not doing a snake draft to unfair sort is gone round and round to anyone there with its fair, with only three people snake as it is, I think a little about on area might be parallel forth, so I guess how we get the fourth big Guy Airy Joe Biden, Joe Biden Backpack. Now I thought bad pack. I disagree because I think that Joe Biden Christoph Joe Biden, Runnin folks he's running right at this exact moment. There is no doubt about,

that he was on national television. It was on the view that moment when Mega Mccain was both a very heart felt moment. Obviously, two people have close family members diagnosed and unfortunately, bovines case already passed away from brain cancer. So you know, I think, that's going on Joe Biden, soot speaking about people who were down in Alabama Joe Biden was down in Alabama. Joe Biden has a good relationship with African Americans in the southeast. You know when you are talking about here. Potentially running in two thousand. Sixteen. There was talk of South Carolina being a base there. He someone, if you're, you know using these national poses a gauge he's doing fairly well. There obviously Biden has some flaws in so far as an older guy. Only a few years away from Bernie Sanders. In that sense, he also perhaps at times has said so, interesting moments with some women where it might get a little touchy feely. Although

Nothing. That makes us suspect that we set this this time that he has done anything in appropriate them were forced to leave the race, and he did obviously have some questions with any a hill in terms of the questionnaire which he apologized, for which to me, is it in the area that I wish I could have done more, which to me is an indication that he's clearly running. I just think that there is still some line for this name recognition, Joe Biden, of course in the debates, if any one remembers in two thousand seven was probably the best a better on that stage, perhaps plus or minus Hillary Clinton. Ok, clear Europe. I agree with you that is running Joe Biden, I'm an advanced age, the again sitting at setting the Democrats thing about. It is currently seventy five A lot of people discourage him from running last time. Around he's very publicly said, he regrets that. I think the Democrats are more worried, then might lead on about the possible what we call the the

Ernest with women who they lent ass. You may see the nomes like to state for the record. I actually dont think that the videos of him like giving senators, why like shoulder rubs in front of them with conflicts. Is it like a little off? Maybe I don't know, but it didn't it We're really bothered me that much is or like re any alarm bells, maybe were in this different environment, but I think behind the scenes. That is something that democratic. Your staffing up or if you're getting donors people, are really, I think, worried about this tinder box of the climate, and might say well what, if there is something lurking back there or what but war? What if it's it's spawn in this way that it is never leaves Biden like. I think that that something that could you know if you could could just tainted campaign enough for the full time than that

Little Ass, I think he's dead. There's something about him. Where he's everyone's gonna favorite, daddy, old democratic uncle, even though, is not daddy's extrovert sharp, smart guy, and I dont with an eye to you that he has really amazing, serve telegenic political skills, but there's something in the back. I mind that really thinks he's. It's no longer his moment I mean so one could be cynical, say, bye and wood. A I was gonna say a step backward in terms. The historical are the party, but, like you know he is the former presidents older wider vice presidential How many? I think he would run to the right side of the democratic feel, but actually can be a strength that might be less crowded but but with that yield him being the kind of consensus choice of it I'm not as sure I do There are scenarios where, to be very frank

TAT. There is some type of war in second place by the time we get to twenty. Money in North Korea, the merely somewhere. I think if you have that then all of a sudden someone who, seeing as more experienced and stable right but Biden sort of much before, like how kind of optimism is up. Democrats. They might be willing to kind of make a choice to limit kind of bolder, whether boy in terms of ideology, in terms of race and gender. You know if there is men occurs that makes them are concerned. I think if Democrats have a disappointing mid term in twenty, pain than that may be reads, is good for four Biden: I mean by think safety pessimism Democrats might make them I did say we have to know many- a safe white guy. Instead of taking a risk, click Europe, your second pic, I think my second pic is

going to be honest, warn the worse are ever Ok, you know you made made up sandwiches great task, very quickly. Elizabeth Warren has name recognition, not just within the party but nationally. She was on the progressive politics train in the nest I before Sanders was, I think she has a lot of p who would give her money and want to join her staff. I think what works again. Her is frankly she's an older woman, but that still about I'm willing to take as far as longevity and when ability within a primary school like the combination of having look. I think there are attacked here. Five and the five have now gone. So do you know why may frickin snigger asked Jody. I get screwed overhead Aurelio. My sleeper picking a moment, but look a nation of being

in line with where democratic elites in that part of liberal, wants to go being a woman kind of having a lot of personal credibility. I think with democratic Party. That's a really powerful com. Nation, I'm not sure she's running doubts. In my view, she might do it in a way that too little slowly draw as compared with Jill Brander by Bernie, and so she might find herself blocked off a little bit she's, not like an explosive speaker don't think about it. You can be compelling in some settings but she's she was fit. Estonia is in a cycle gap between number five and the person who will brilliantly select as members right now, kayaks, L, Frank and frank and frank and frank and frankly, Dog Jones you're so wait a minute, wait a minute you're such a populist and love. I love that. Have you know what can I just can't you see that a couple weeks we recently did, and so do I talk about all the hot takes there were coming out after Doug

This is why, in this take was too thought for me to even included in that episode, but defend yourself Nathan. I can't I just want to point out that I was the one who brought this to the attention yeah right of Nathaniel Red Silver, and I was told that I got it from some crazy. Out in the charter verse it's out there and there's this outfit spread sweater. My carefully Harry again regions replies which nope saying being should do fine, Twitter Egg, Saint agents can be present what I the pike, ass, the sun, now private gonna, be some article on business in sire yearningly for pick, looks really Joan things. Doug Jones may sovereignties. Nature Jones is the sixth most likely wow. What headline there. What a hill there, the one you're, the one who just mentioned him six said defend yourself. Ok, so Doug Jones Number, one fresh, green campaigns on concur,

we're too he probably would lose Hereat again for election Alabama, a lot of incentive and is already like an opposition himself, maybe even more of a national. These kind of PAN South figure number three. He checks both the safe White Guy Southerner Box and that actually pretty corner quote box right where his views we talked about us before our like pretty liberal. Maybe with one or two exceptions like guns, but like he's a w w g awoke like I yeah, I mean that's, really, for a kind of what Democrats might one I think, he's more likely to wind up as a VP peck, cain. Maybe he kind of works ground in and is one of these people where things are going badly with one of the more centres. Can it's like Biden there Could he jumping last minute, maybe is also going to play cards to sing. Maybe I could get reelected because again, no one coming ever gearing. Need to lose the next time around right I mean he would have a chance to the wage a mansion did, but it seems like

gonna, decide basins personal views on discussing right. It seemed like he's, and not kind of toe to close to the Joe Mansion line you probably want MAX logic has been re elected me might say what kind of luck in this very good any kind of again checks, lotta boxes, but I ain't no minute whether the data Gillette brand Jones could be interesting. Ticket and again now I own the bottom half made again well, Also you own Bernie and dug just as high volatile. What's the right for high volatility, I'm all. I know that this is a big swaying there, but any reaction other than in the exasperation we just heard languages. I think you gotta like see how Senate term play that life. We like, but what, if he's just like a blah senator and doesn't make any waves neat like doesn't? Doesn't he have to in some way like take on and I stage in some way for him to be a viable why dont have economical behind it was plain to use the Senate as a national platform, and

Oh, that's one thing that made me think that, like and believe me he's, gonna, be invited and meet the press because it damn it from Alabama. It's kind of a novelty inadvertently. Our people, Scott Brown, the fairly obvious algae and Scott Brown prove to be kind of a goofball where very good candidate for that matter, for moment in time in Massachusetts, but maybe the inner again hats off, discard Brown freely elected his dinner, republican rally rather Massachusetts, but Urban white way, hats off now, Michael a little bit of a lightweight, maybe their jobs, that way too, but like again six pack here I do think I would not trade for anyone, the top five are not expect and who suffer perpetrated for him, but he has a distinct speed. Is that maybe no one else in the party can can occur. Picturing now, where those jerky fundraising emails, were people like newts over

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I think Booker has lanes that are are somewhat blocked. I think that, like if you want to get cynical about it right that, like kind of New York, New Jersey, democratic jeweller, brand you like a little bit of head in that lane. If you want to commit a black, can I think Kamala Harris a little bit ahead. I think the left brother You will have a problem with these candidates. I think I think Booker, based on his positions on issues related to Wall Street and so forth. I think he'll have a hard time living that all sound. Also, I think Corey book. Faces in this matter and we are to say but a problem of authenticity, and I say it's weird to say, because he came up by B. The very accessible mayor of Newark but like who is Corey Bucker. You know, like he's sort, like slavishly devoted to his politics, not that there is anything wrong with been dedicated to your job, but I think that people want to see like

something else outside of that and they might not get that with Corey Booker and I'm not sure like what is like. What's the stumps beach and trying to imagine a stump speech, and I'm not I'm not sure I there but you know I'm I'm kind of look around. I'm saying to myself. Ok is this guy running, I think we're Booker desperately wants to run. Am I saying myself, this is a guy who can go when to say a banner and campaign with Doug Jones any was, I he's, you know again black base the parties work. You know twenty to twenty five percent of the vote in the primary. I think that he could get a sizeable porsenna, especially of Kemal Harris doesn't run, and I also note that in a party that is becoming more and more dominated by well educated voters, he is somebody who I think, appeals to them in a way that perhaps some of these other candidates- don't necessarily, I think of you- know Corey Booker's, the guy who is in street fight who is going in

In a changing things up- and he has its all time attitude and perhaps to some of us who have heard his story before he's been around for a long time years old, but remember quarry book, a guy who is just first elected, the United States Senate in two thousand thirteen he's really not that all down the national stage for many people will be introduced to him for the first time in the coming years. Clare, eighth: pick: Riga, I think my is pic, is gonna, be Mitchell Andrew, under last time. I did go back. Wow So unless I spillovers lender Andrew I feel like they tell us who is television danger. Is that took her think that he's the mayor of Neurons- and I think, people from type I bet liberals from New Orleans will be like would be ass because, whatever he sort of like you know, I think he's not as like

he's. Like a mayor, you, a mayor, he's a way male democratic? May? of a city in the south. Who, however, has a lot of national attention for some speeches about right. Confederate monuments. I, the monuments, think he was on well before that the controversy of earlier this year. I think it Sir generally in the it's like my dog germs, pick night, it's like reassuring white southerner, with generally liberal progressive policy that's it and also on us. It's also like because he's a mayor the idea of localities and that Democrats exist in all corner not just like other national level, blah blah blah blah blah. Ok, let's move on next big Nate. Ninth overall sure it Brown shared brown. Tell us who is our environment, drafting only white people like us. Says something about like ones people in this environment no use,

the centre from oh hi. Oh and he's pretty progressive in like he is facing a nine trivial reelection prospect, but you think that checks a lot of boxes right. And in the dog Jones or Earl Andrew Category acceptable. More prominence has been reluctant to kind of become a national figure, and so you wonder if there is the desire for him to run through I think if sure Brown said tomorrow, I'm running for president that he would maybe potentially break into that top five or or tops ex again. You no kind of experience demand Center from Ohio, who assumes having very progressive positions on both social economic issues, include economic populism side, that's like potentially very appealing in a world where we're Bernie doesn't run, for example, my theory, being kind of that this is going to be a primary law where the weight is deliberate toward the left. Again. You could have a case like an you had with publicans, where all these folks cancel out, but that to me seemed like good value with the ninth, ok,

wrap up, and let's just do one two more picks: each adjust the list them off as regards around, and then we can do in only thirty seconds to react to anything you heard so with the hat now tenth, Harry, is ominous shock. Myself, J Insulators, the governor of Washington, hey eleventh, pick click click or giving sceptical phase that link Castro he's a sector of housing in urban development with a thick with it will take select Hillary Clinton, former Secretary of state and died and centre from New York from a first lady, ok last round here forthright honeymoon Harry former Missouri Secretary of State Jason Candor the alcove, Aircars, Eddie, Murphy S, Angeles, ok and final pick, the right, Well, you just said he's not gonna run twenty, but he is desirous to consider and running and twenty twenty four you're. But after years this podcast

and business I may result in the rockies outfitting Jean Calendar show will put up we'll put an invite. Ok, Many reactions to anything in those last Sunday like so if I mean first of all, Hilary put falling to number number. Twelve frigate value- pretty good value there. You know why, because they could have a broker convention and there, like, oh shit, a guy turned and I've never really just sitting in her hotel room and good luck on down and other reactions to to any of those the rock we actually ivory action now you gonna live at the G7 candor thing he's deftly like third seed or run like I've. I've looked is public schedule is heavily new Hampshire and I are so like that. Guy's acts that guy's very much wanting to run, but he didn't have much of a track record. Urinary doesn't really hold early He doesn't have any office

you know, maybe you should get elected. What's Missouri running a serious there's, not a cemetery! There's that Canada buying is kind of biting his time. Can you run for Governor Missouri? No, I haven't now here election I mean be someone who runs the kind of raises europhile. It's hard to see him leapfrogging everyone assuming they assumed you had us off in the end, if it or not left to run. I don't think I know I actually the person I would have chosen, who is, after all, that would probably been stable occurs. The governor Pontio loves teapot. Keep to last time. I do I do I do love my western governance can I ask once for framing wrap up question, which is how much do you think the democratic candidate in particular, but also the Republicans well, for twenty twenty will need to be seen as a core, unquote healing candidate. How much of that will be an issue in other trump years were very rocky. We need someone who's, feel good steady hand, gonna write the ship. It feels like

He really brought up that sort of element which is little surprising to me. What do you mean? What I mean? I think some of us in in and how things I think, some of us in saying things like the work white guy. Or they reassuring whites southerner, that's, that is its, I think, sort of implicitly there. There's. This idea of an people mainly blisters you, our liberal, might not like hearing that, but I think it's we talked a lot about. You need to win not just you're progressive bases of minority voters, and you know women, but the idea that you need to win back. Some of those Obama. Try voters. So I think maybe we have an explicitly set it that I think some of those people represents the idea of a democratic party that sort of not just the Super progressive base, but is trying to welcome back people who might be culture very culturally different from their base

but whose votes they need. Basically, I mean, I think the problem Democrats have eludes a good in never made. It really is a problem right. The problems there a lot of messages that can work effectively against Trump, because Trump is so kind of multi faceted doing things unconventional to put it euphemistically can be mad about right. You can be man about the tax plan command about of carried me mad about him wrecking the stands norms? The presidency can be mad about him, perpetuating the patriarchy, mad about him implicitly or some have explicitly invoking racial politic, so you can be mad about him being kind of it. Rich die the represents high but it was a man like all those things are all the things that appeal to the main different constituencies. In a democratic are you mad at him for being unpopular me be mad at him for being a hypocrite, is out of your populous and so kind of everyone has a way to make their message. Stick tanks, that's kind of why I think you'll have it probably fairly.

The primary and kind of a testing ground for, like which one of these many messages really resin If you have a work, something you can have again like a flight to safety. Many more Things could happen We now and in the nomination final thought hurry. You know in twenty sixteen we saw two parties with two very different fields. We saw perhaps the most wide open field since the seventies on the republican side, and we saw the crowning of a candidate long before pretty much, anyone ran on the democratic side. Those are two polar opposite this year or in twenty twenty four the Democrats were going to see. It looks like something far closer to the republican two thousand and sixteen field, and that means a lot of candidates running very messy and at this particular time I'm not sure. We know what the key issues are going to be: income, twenty slash, twenty, because what they are right now. Aren't they, are they gonna be in twenty twenty? So if you were picking like us pick, a lot of candidates and La De Berulle occur, which already meets over

Thank you. As always, I do not set out to go so the ghost of when you were talking about a ghost, William, Jennings Brining, Clementine and parental exceed, and I know no one asked me, but I think Harrison Sandefur taken too high, invoking undertaken and Gillibrand. Why I think Harrison centres were taken too high and broker Jellyband were taken to was my first tat notion. To overall actions, I just inheritance and that's that again and twenty twenty democratic nominee odds recorded late last week. Now we are in theory, going to give ourselves a nice little chunk of time off here during holiday. So unless there is big, breaking news will be authorised this week and next week as well. We have a special prerecorded episode in store, but, as always, The emergency podcast Levar Letter is nearby to break the glass reach out and pull talk about some big news we well

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