Douglas Murray, author of ‘The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race and Identity,' joins ‘Fox & Friends Weekend.’
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Will honoring the legacy of
will honoring the legacy of Supreme Court Justice, Ruth Bader
Supreme Court Justice, Ruth Bader Ginsburg this morning,
Ginsburg this morning, Jedediah the champion of civil
Jedediah, the champion of civil rights and gender equality
rights and gender equality, reflecting on growing in twenty sixteen,
reflecting on growing in twenty sixteen book. Writing part of a world
book writing part of a world whose unity has been almost
whose unity has been almost completely shattered. No one can
completely shattered. No one can feel free from danger and
feel free from danger and destruction until the many torn
destruction until the many torn threads of civilization or
threads of civilization, or bound together again
bound together again PETE. Can our nation come
PETE? Can our nation come together again
together again author of the best selling book
author of the best selling book, massive of crowds, gender and
massive of crowds, gender and identity
identity Douglas Murray
Douglas Murray? Thank you. So much for being.
Thank you. So much for being here
here, im a big fan
im a big fan. Thank you.
Thank you PETE. I appreciate your insight
PETE. I appreciate your insight. You wrote a op ed in the last,
you wrote a op ed in the last couple of days with the title
couple of days with the title can America hold together?
Can America hold together that was before the passing of
that was before the passing of Ruth Bader Ginsburg
Ruth Bader. Ginsburg? Add this on top of what we are
add this on top of what we are facing, what is America facing
facing? What is America facing very good to be with you
very good to be with you? I very much worry as a friend
I very much worry as a friend and admirer of the United States
and admirer of the United States and friend and admirer of the
and friend and admirer of the United States, all my life
United states all my life. What is happening at the moment?
What is happening at the moment is a very, very serious. Pulling
is a very, very serious pulling apart of nation. It
apart of nation. It has all the elements historian
has all the elements historian would suggest of civil war
would suggest of civil war. I am not overstating that there.
I am not overstating that there is a fundamental disagreement.
Is a fundamental disagreement now in America, clearly about the
now in America. Clearly about the nature of your governance,
nature of your governance, about your institutions,
about your institutions, about everything in your
about everything in your history,
history, and I would say that it comes,
and I would say that it comes down to something like this. A
down to something like this. A portion of your country. Clearly
portion of your country clearly believes that America is an
believes that America is an exceptional country,
exceptional country, that its founders were
that its founders were exceptional people and it would
exceptional people and it would be good to hold to the
be good to hold to the foundational principles of the
foundational principles of the state
state. It made mistakes, but everybody
it made mistakes, but everybody does
does another portion of the country.
Another portion of the country now believes that there is
now believes that there is nothing good in America,
nothing good in America that its founding fathers were
that its founding fathers were rotten
rotten, that all the land is stolen,
that all the land is stolen. You know eighty percent of self described
you know. Eighty percent of self described. Liberals in a recent poll said:
liberals in a recent poll said that they would like the flag to
that. They would like the flag to be changed, the anthem to be
be changed, the anthem to be changed and the constitution to
changed and the constitution to be rewritten,
be rewritten, and once you have got those
and once you have got those kinds of divisions, its
kinds of divisions, its extremely hard to see how you
extremely hard to see how you reconcile them between people
reconcile them between people who believe that America is
who believe that America is exceptional and people who
exceptional and people who believe that it is exceptional,
believe that it is exceptional only in one way. That is
only in one way. That is exceptionally bad.
Exceptionally bad between these two sides, its
between these two sides, its very hard to see, unless a lot of
very hard to see unless a lot of work is done, how they can
work is done, how they can reconcile
reconcile, will know Douglas America has
will know Douglas America has been through a lot
been through a lot its been through civil wars and
its been through civil wars and managed to make its way through
managed to make its way through thatS, because everyone in
thatS, because everyone in America or most everyone had
America or most everyone- had shared values, shared goals,
shared values, shared goals. I want to give you an example of.
I want to give you an example of what is pressing that tension. I,
what is pressing that tension? I think
think this is a letter from the
this is a letter from the Princeton President, Christopher
Princeton President Christopher Eyes, Gruber talking about
eyes, Gruber talking about princetons inherent racism,
princetons inherent racism, racism and the damage its done
racism and the damage its done Toto people of Color Nevertheles
Toto people of color nevertheles persist at Princeton, as in our
persist at Princeton, as in our society
society. Racist assumptions from the past
racist assumptions from the past also remain embedded in
also remain embedded in structures itself
structures itself. To that the department of
to that the Department of Education has said. If we focus
education has said, if we focus on identity and dont have
on identity and dont have shared values. How do we see our
shared values? How do we see our way through this moment in time
way through this moment in time you wont be able to, as a
you wont, be able to as a country without shared values,
country without shared values. Martin Luther king gave the
Martin Luther King gave the entire World United Society
Entire World United Society. It was famously said to focus.
It was famously said to focus not on peoples characteristics
not on peoples, characteristics on the of their character
on the of their character. Dr King Dangelo of wife,
Dr King Dangelo of Wife fragility fame go around telling
fragility fame go around telling everyone not only is everything
everyone. Not only is everything toe do with race as everybody
toe do with race, as everybody racist, as she said before,
racist as she said before, dangerous, not to judge people by
dangerous, not to judge people by the color of their skin, half a
the color of their skin half a century from America to turn
century from America to turn from one glorious division and
from one glorious division and divisive, and I suggest totally
divisive and I suggest totally untrue vision, which has been
untrue, vision which has been pumped around the country
pumped around the country. Primarily, it has to be said from
primarily, it has to be said from universities in America and the
universities in America, and the university system is rife with
university system is rife with this
this. What the President of Princeton,
what the President of Princeton said, was atrocious. It was
said was atrocious. It was clearly audition to be seen as
clearly audition to be seen as doing something
doing something what is happening at the moment.
What is happening at the moment is people in authority like him
is people in authority like him, are trying to run ahead of the
are trying to run ahead of the crowd
crowd they are trying to get ahead of.
They are trying to get ahead of the mob
the mob they are trying to say we are,
they are trying to say we are even worse than you say. We are
even worse than you say we are, and so they say these things,
and so they say these things like there is endemic racism at
like there is endemic racism at Princeton
Princeton. I admire the department of
I admire the Department of Education there for saying, oh if
education there for saying oh if it is as bad as you say, then we
it is as bad as you say. Then we are going to have to investigate,
are going to have to investigate because you are breaking the
because you are breaking the law
law. I think its an exceptionally,
I think its an exceptionally dangerous moment,
dangerous moment. I think the people like the
I think the people like the President of Princeton Need to
President of Princeton need to be made an example of
be made. An example of PETE, so well said.
Pete so well said Jedediah, you know Douglas
Jedediah, you know Douglas. This goes beyond university.
This goes beyond university. This is happening kindergarten.
This is happening, kindergarten first grade
first grade people have had it with the
people have had it with the educational system. They are
educational system. They are tired of the indoctrination and
tired of the indoctrination and cancel culture and add enormous,
cancel culture and add enormous amount of inefficiency. We see
amount of inefficiency, we see after these lockdowns in terms
after these lockdowns, in terms of getting kids back to school,
of getting kids back to school. What happens next is a complete.
What happens next is a complete breakdown of our educational
breakdown of our educational system, a possibility here
system a possibility here. Well, of course I mean have
well, of course I mean have you already already? Basically,
you already already basically got it
got it. You see things like the
you see things like the University of Chicago English
University of Chicago English Department say they are only
department say they are only going to take people next year
going to take people next year, doing black studies,
doing black studies and everything has studies after
and everything has studies after it
it. There is no such thing women.
There is no such thing. Women studies,
studies, no such thing its, not a study.
No such thing its, not a study, queer studies. No such thing, not
queer studies, no such thing, not a study,
a study. If you have to call it a study,
if you have to call it a study, its not a study like having to
its, not a study like having to call yourself a democratic
call yourself, a democratic peoples, Republic,
Peoples, republic, if you have to say it you are.
If you have to say it, you are not
not people doing black studies,
people doing black studies, English Department,
English Department, the English Department of
the English Department of Chicago English studies as a
Chicago English studies. As a language as a study as
language as a study as literature is based in
literature, is based in colonialism and oppression,
colonialism and oppression, they abolish themselves,
they abolish themselves institution after institution
institution after institution abolishes itself in America,
abolishes itself in America Heres the problem. It comes to a
heres, the problem. It comes to a fundamental issue in the country,
fundamental issue in the country, which is that White America has,
which is that White America has been bullied by people
been bullied by people. There are some things that we
there are some things that we could address and unite over and
could address and unite over and currently people are being
currently, people are being listened. They are listening,
listened, they are listening to and being bullied by totally
to and being bullied by totally insincere actors.
Insincere actors, when somebody says everything
when somebody says everything about you and your past is
about you and your past is rotten, dont, believe them
rotten, dont, believe them if they say that you are
if they say that you are intrinsically racist and you are
intrinsically racist and you are racist. If you say you are a
racist, if you say you are a racist and you are racist if you
racist and you are racist, if you say you are a racist
say you are a racist, dont, listen to them,
dont! Listen to them. These are dishonest people.
These are dishonest people, its time and im, glad to see
its time and im glad to see the latest investigation of
the latest investigation of Princeton
Princeton time. People called out the
time people called out the bullies and the frauds and
bullies, and the frauds and racketeers
racketeers thats whats, going on
thats whats, going on after all, very important point.
After all, very important point, its so much easier to talk
its so much easier to talk about your endemic racism than
about your endemic racism than it is to deal with serious.
It is to deal with serious sociological issues in society,
sociological, issues in society, PETE, so true,
PETE. So true so much easier to say, we are
so much easier to say we are all guilty than it is to improve
all guilty than it is to improve educational standards.
Educational standards, America has been taken in by
America, has been taken in by hundredsters of late and it is
hundredsters of late, and it is high time that people of every
high time that people of every kin color unite and say no, we
kin color, unite and say no, we are Americans, we will not give
are Americans. We will not give in to your division
in to your division here here. The book is madness
here here: the book is madness of crowds
of crowds Douglas Murray. You are welcome
Douglas Murray. You are welcome on this program any time
on this program any time. Thank you for your insight and.
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