Price on those countries as well and youre right, it makes no sense. Ainsley lets bring in MIKE Pompeo Fox NEWS, contribute or former secretary of state good morning to you good morning, good morning to you all, Ainsley well start with your reaction on Dr Fauci and everything thats coming out with him. Lately he had his first interview with Nicole Wallace yesterday and she really didnt grill him about those e mails whats. Your reaction about these three thousand two hundred pages of e mails, so ive seen some of the e mails. What really matters here is when it mattered most when the Chinese were covering this up in early January of twenty twenty, Dr Fauci certainly would have seen the same intelligence that I saw. We would certainly have known that the risk this came from the laboratory was real and the Chinese Communist Party didnt want any of us to know that and that raised red flags throughout the entire United States government. For far too long, Dr Fauci, let those of us who were out there talking about it, carry the mantel and we couldnt get science. We got politics instead and thats. What you saw on the left

wing, media politics, trumping science and that delayed our capacity to respond to what the Chinese Communist Party put upon the world Brian directly affects our national security. Here is an example of the e mails that are eye brow raising. This is an e mail. This is what hes responding after Anthony Fauci sidelined the talk of a lab leak April. Eighteen, two thousand and twenty im sure you remember this. I just want to say a personal thank you on behalf of our staff and collaborators for publicly standing up and stating that the scientific evidence supports a natural origin from Covid 19 from a bat to a human spillover, not a lab release from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. From my perspective, your comments are brave and, coming from your trusted voice will help dispell the myths being spun around the viruses origins. Now your job secretary of state, knowing that that was going on behind the scenes, Anthony Fauci saying it happened by happen, stance wet market as opposed to a Wuhan LAB where Tom Cotton was one of the first

to say, lets look at that lab yeah. So right after that e mail that you described in early may I began to talk about this as well. We knew that the evidence was accumulating. It was piling up showing that the theory of the wet market didnt hold water and that the much more likely scenario with this had come from the virology LAB in Wuhan, and this guy, the fellow that wrote this e mail hes got dirty hands. He was involved in this laboratory. There was taxpayer money funnel Ed through an alliance. He was responsible, for you know too Brian. He was one of the lead investigators that was sent into take a look at this Brian. What a joke theres a lot of questions to be answered- and I think Dr Fauci has a lot of questions to answer, and this matters your point, Brian, about this being about american national Security. That lab is still operating. That work is still going on there today and we could have something like this happen again in the Chinese. Communist party refuse to tell us what they know the United States. President Biden must demand that we get these answers and we need to know how the, U Dot S government, how the? U dot S government, Dr

Fauci, all the folks involved in underwriting this laboratory, what they knew when they knew it, because this will help us answer the important questions that will keep us all: safe, okay, thats, the perfect segway to the question I have for you, Mr Secretary youve, always been a straight shooter. We know there were some behind the scenes scuffles between the President and Fauci, and you guys did you all know something was going on behind the scenes that there was this connection back then what did you guys know at the time? So I have to be a little careful. You saw Lawrence what we were able to release. On January, fifteen director Ratcliffe, the head of the Dni, had been working for a long time to get as much information released as we possibly could. We knew we could watch all of the facts begin to align. That suggested that the most likely case we knew about the doctors we watched them disappear. Journalists we knew people had taken ill in Wuhan, we began to see the evidence accumulate and we were trying to get it out. We were certainly trying to make sure everybody in the United States, so we could respond

sorry to interrupt what prevented you guys from pushing out all of the information, its complicated process, Lawrence theres, still more information sitting there that I think, ought to be out, but you have sources and methods, intelligence and things that need to be protected. I was the director of the CIA. I understand that, but we need to make sure that the american people know everything that we can and then frankly, we dont know the answer for sure. We need the Chinese Communist Party to be held accountable. Ainsley will we ever know the answer? The origins of this virus that killed millions of people around the world yeah? I think we will it may take years and years and years we know it has already taken too long. The Chinese Communist Party could answer this in thirty seconds if they chose to do so, but I think one day well know some brave chinese doctor. Some technician will break free and share the information, well be able to validate what happened. We need to get the answer to this question. Brian right, I will say this just in terms of what e mails subscribe to what youre saying this exchange between the scientist Richard Henderson

to Fauci. He said unusual features on the virus makeup, a really small part of the genome, so one has to look at very hard at all of the sequences to see that some of the features potentially look engineered isnt that nice, so that might have been manufactured and made Brian. You know all these e mails that youre seeing now are entirely consistent with what the propaganda machine inside of China was pressing and what the World Health Organization was pressing as well. We cant forget that all this time, not only was there an absence of information from the Chinese Communist Party, but they were trying to tell us this came from America. They were Brian. They still do engaged in propaganda, suggesting this was natural. They are hard at it. Weve got to hold the Chinese Communist Party accountable. I havent seen any evidence. This administration is prepared to do that. The american people should demand they be held accountable. There are lots of tools we can use to do that. Mr Secretary, I want to pivot to another issue. Kamala Harris has gone seventy one days without a press conference being tapped

to run the border crisis. Now, Shell be at Guatemala on Sunday and Mexico on Monday. We know that you briefed the Biden administration during the transition about how their policy could impact the border the remain in Mexico policy. What should she be saying to these countries when she goes to meet with them? This upcoming week? Unfortunately, shes not going to say what needs to be said. What is easy to do is to just go back to the policies that we had in place once they worked. It took us a little while to get them in place, but we turned off the magnet. We had prevented this massive humanitarian crisis and this enormous national security crisis from taking place. She should tell them were going to go back to the policies that we had back in December of last year, and this will keep those countries want to keep their people too. They like to have their talent stay inside of their country. We need to tell them that this is what they are going to have to do. They have to enforce their own borders and were going to enforce ours. Ainsley lets talk about the Russia meeting coming up

between Joe Biden and Vladimir Putin. We keep seeing all of these ransomware attacks and theyre being linked to Russia. A reporter was asking Jen Psaki about it in the press room yesterday, and they say that theyre not being tested by Putin. Listen to this and well get your reaction. Mr President, will you retaliate against Russia for the latest ransomware attack? Inaudible? Do you think Putin is testing you no Ainsley. He says Putin is not testing him. What do you say here is what I can say for sure these kinds of things in our administration were different and kind in the responses to russian activity was different in kind. We didnt give the money we didnt. Let them build out their energy pipeline. We provided weapon systems to the Ukraine to defend themselves. We built out our military all these things, Vladimir Putin didnt like, and now you see these ransomware attacks. I havent seen the intelligence, but they look and have all of the hallmarks of having come from Russia. When President

Biden meets with President Putin next week. He needs to make clear there will be real costs, not just on these thugs, these criminals, who are engaged in this conduct, but from the people who are supporting and enabling, if it in fact is coming from inside of Russia, Vladimir Putin has an awful lot of capacity to control what happens inside of his country and the leaders of that country need to be held Thible. If we continue to have these thing, which is, can reek enormous devastation on our economy, Brian, they said it, they had their undersecretary come out and say were going to make things very unpleasant for the president, leading up to June sixteen and now theyve taken out the MTA through Ransomware Jbs, the colonial pipeline and the Massachusetts Steamboat Authority, let alone what just happened with this meat hit in the middle of the country. So this is a they keep getting shots to the forehead and we dont answer with anything laughter, yeah Brian. These are the wins that we know about that have been made public. Goodness knows how many have taken place inside some private company who just decided to pay

the ransom to make it go away, well, have to impose real costs and defend ourselves and Brian. We have lots of tools, some of which we cant say much about, but we have lots of tools where we can impose real cost on the Russians and the cyber hack ers. This is a sovereignty issue. This is not terribly different from someone who attacks the United States in the ways weve known as a matter of history, and we need to treat it as just that kind of attack. Mr Secretary, we want to pivot to this story right here, Netanyahu rivals to form a new government to oust him. What does this mean for the? U DOT S, Israel relations. This is Israels longest serving prime minister. Our most trusted Allie will that relationship and that bond remain with this new government Lawrence. I was in Israel this past weekend for four days. While this was all taking place, this government is confusing one that they are trying to form its not completely over, yet its not certain that they will be successful in doing so.

Youve got arab parties. Youve got hard right. Party youve got what be traditionally the israeli center left party. This is going to be really difficult for them to make good decisions and thats not good for the: U Dot S, Israel relationship. I hope that whatever government gets formed continues to build on this important security relationship. We were such great partners with the Israel. We were able to isolate them as part of the Abraham accord. I hope that whatever government ultimately takes place, they will continue to build out on what we did, which really created more peace, more prosperity and indeed more stability in the Middle EAST, Brian. Well, President Obama and Netanyahu famously disliked each other. In fact, President Obama worked on the scenes he wouldnt get re elected, which is unbelievable and Joe Biden no word yet on how this is going to affect relations. But when you have to make a deal with an arab sector of the israeli government, this is unprecedented. So what do they give up?

What do they promise? Itll be interesting to see Brian. What all deals had to be cut to make this happen. If they dont get it done, there will be a fifth election, its messy stuff inside of Israel, but Brian. We can see what happens when the United States isnt strong. The Iranians will underwrite Hezbollah. We saw what they did with firing rocket S into TEL Aviv and Jerusalem and american leadership with Israel matters. A lot and whatever government gets formed in Israel builds on that Ainsley. Thank you so much for being on with us. Thank you, secretary.