Who is likelier to get to the fugitive first? When a fugitive is on the run, it’s not only the police he has to worry about. A bounty hunter could be coming after him, too.
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So if I'm a criminal- and I am- I jump bail and I have to choose between them- the cops remained for trailer. Bounty Hunter definitely want to put that job in the hands of the police Honey hunters are much more likely to get their man. I like to say that the bounty hunters are the true long arm of the law. I know what you're thinking don t hunters, is motorcycle vigilantes, lamb, rock hair in their big biceps and tat to those of the guys have a higher capture rate from the police? Not exactly says, Alex Tavern he's an economist, George Mason University and CO author of a paper that looks at the commercial fail. bond industry. So after we publish status article, some of the bounty hunters actually got in touch with me and, I said hey: maybe we should maybe I the delivery of irrigation, iconic character, and I asked if I could go out with them actually on the streets and actually learn.
outside of my office were doubting, hunting was all about. Tamerack went off with the bounty Hunter named Dennis in Baltimore. He learned. The bounty hunting is all about business. No high speed, chases no gun battles, as Dennis made clear. You don't want a rough up. The fugitives or their families oh here, Tabernacle tell you the bounty hunters there very polite. These guys are not breaking down doors at all, and I asked you know last Anas why this is a says: it's because we do a lot on ravine business here. He tells me about one of his customers who told them quite proudly data. We ve been coming to this firm, three generations just awful reality: What happened
from a young, american public Media W and Y see. This is for economic radio today to catch a fugitive whose better, police or bounty here's your host, Stephen Doubled- or you may have heard recently about the trouble caused by a certain will heal gentlemen used to run the International Monetary Fund. Dominique Strauss, Kahn Frenchmen allegedly committed a sexual assault against the housekeeper in his Manhattan hotel and shortly afterward boarded a flight home to France, but the police plucked him off the plane and arrested him. He since been charge and now awaits trial, but he's not in jail. Instead, he's out on bail, one million dollar cash payment and five mm, billion dollar bond. That money is meant to guarantee this.
Grouse cod will show up at his trial and it's hard to imagine that he could fleas under court ordered twenty four hours surveillance, but if we did somehow managed to scram we're Talkin Bounty Hunter bingo baby here's, how commercial bail bond say your arrest crime and the judge releases you on a five thousand dollars bail and you don't have the money. So you go to your local bail bondsman. You fill out an application to ask for all kinds of information years: previous arrests, The employer union membership. You can borrow your car in your kids names and where they go to school. Now the bondsmen agrees to the court that five thousand dollars in return for ten percent feet so you pay him five hundred dollars. You signed a contract promising to show up in port
you're no show on your court date, it's the bondsmen five thousand dollars at risk. The judge, gives him. Ninety days, the fine you and that's when you're bondsmen, picks up the phone calls Bounty Hunter under current law. Bounty hunters have a lot of latitude break into a fugitives home without a warrant can chase suspects. state line without worrying about extradition procedure. They concern And sees without constraint, there are some limits. Bounty hunters can't use unnecessary force and their liable if they break into the wrong home. But for some people, that's not nearly enough for states. Discounts in Oregon, Illinois in Kentucky have banned
commercial bail bond in the u dot. S is in fact, one of only two countries in the world that allow the system, the others, the Philippines, one former Supreme Court Justice called the bail bond industry odorous, but Alex Tabarrok, the economist. He doesn't see it that way, especially if you look at the economics the criminal justice system yeah. I was shocked when I first saw this data. Twenty five percent of defendants, felony defended, simply fail to show up on they have their trial is a huge number how's our flabbergasted. So this means that the judges time is wasted. The lawyers time is wasted. The prosecutors time is wasted the police. They have to go out and try recapture this guy. It's a big cost to the criminal
ass. The system and, moreover, justice delayed, is justice denied. If people can repeatedly flawed the justices and by failing to show up and extend the time, which means that witnesses become harder to find the more time it takes to get to the trial. People get get evidence gets lost, paperwork, its loss, things get shuffled around witnesses disappear. You know they move whatever. This really is a cost to the legal system, tamerack in a colleague Eric Helen analyze data on thirty six thousand, when he defendants in the? U S and we thought it would be interesting to see whether people who are released on commercial bank.
whether they are more likely to show up and if they flee, are the more likely to be recaptured, because, if you're out on commercial bail and you flee it's the bail bondsman who's out the money. The bell Bozman has put up the five year, five thousand dollar bail, and if you don't show up, he loses the five thousand dollars. So this is a classic case of incentives. Do incentives, work. Do the bail bondsman have the right incentives to go after these guys with the bounty hunters. That's where the bounty hunters come in and bring them back to justice
Deborah found the people who were released on commercial bail, who know that a bounty hunter Obi after them, if they skip court, that their substantially more likely to show up and someone who's released on his own were cognizance from government Bell. In that case, you typically paid deposit of just a few hundred dollars, but fugitives behave differently when they know a bounty hunter, maybe after them- and it's not only the bounty hunter their worried about the way out of this works. Is they get somebody to co sign on the bond family member, our friend to co, sign bon. So this means that if the defendant skipped town, that not only is the bail bondsman out but potentially so is the friend who is co signed on the bond of the family members CO signed on the bob- and I asked again Dennis about this- and he says I deal with a lot of mean people in my business. These guys are not afraid of me. Do not free
police, but there still afraid of their mother. So if I get the mother to co sign on the bond- and this guy knows that Some other might lose her house if he doesn't show up for trial he's going to show up for trial. The fugitives have an incentive to not run away, but if they do, the bounty Hunter's really have an incentive. police officer on salary, bounty Hunter only gets paid if he brings a fugitive it and the data proving tab. Iraq found that bounty hunters are fifty percent more likely than the police together man. Well, so, if I'm a taxpayer which I have to be, then I got to be thinking wow, so we ve got a system of law and order. We try to find the bad guys we given their day their day in court, but while they're waiting for that day in court, there often out on bail, Frida Frida Roma Round, and then, if I as a tax,
ere. I want to make sure that might dollars or well spent and that the bad guys are being brought back in four trial. I, like the private eye, like the private industry, take on this more than the government take on this a lot. Don't I yeah you really do be as not only do the bail bondsman work at no taxpayers expense, there's a little bit of a justice involved in that the guys who flee they're paying their own pursuers. I kind of like tat
Far from a recent offenders themselves, the money comes from the valley honours to go after them and even a little bit better than that, because the bounty hunters their good, but there are always get their man, you know sometimes the guy Fleece town and the bounty hunters, the bail bondsman the usually have about ninety two hundred and eighty days so that a judge says if this guy, you put up the bounty hunters, is put at five thousand dollars of bail and the judge says, disguise and showed up. He tells the Bell Barton. You ve got ninety two hundred eighty days. It varies by state to bring this guy to justice. If you don't bring him to justice within that period of time that Bayliss forfeit, so when that Bayliss forfeit that actually goes to the taxpayer to the taxpayer can actually make some money- and this is not a huge chunk of change by its millions of dollars in
states and at the federal level, forfeit bonds actually go to a crime victim fund, so that kind of a nice also a nice piece of justice. To this I think, coming up the man who wrote the book and mounting honey Eighty five Robert Dean, Viros manager, saw the book for it and then made the movie version. I run based on the book. Thanks to Pennsylvania, lottery, scratch offs, pennsylvanians or scratching their way to fine with new games every month, big top rise and second chance drawings excitement always in order, so Dr Pennsylvania lottery. Scratch offer your ticket to fund and get yours today, keep on scratching, must be eighteen or older. Please play responsibly benefits older pennsylvanians every day.
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we operate throughout the United States Coastal Coast boarded a border women over thirty thousand arrests last year of individuals who fail to live up to their bail bond contract. Pa burden runs the United States coalition of pale recovery agents or U S, COBRA, based in Santa Barbara, to network of about fifteen hundred bounty hunters or bail enforcement agents, as he calls them. Also, four hundred of my agents are women because women, make very good bounty hunters, there's an old saying that God created men and women, but Samuel COLT made a sequel. Burton's been doing this for quite a while or mine. rose abounding ANA began when I was an insurance brokers in California in the late early early eighties, A friend of Mine BAR Brown started a magazine call soldier of Fortune magazine, a bold colorado. We will
Reason he asked me to go down now Salvador to cover the war which restarting down there. I was saturated with a need for adrenaline fell before the address. Another war dealing with green by raise enemy and coming fire beautiful women in the city, a robe scoundrel newsman from all over the world. I couldn't be an insurance brokers anymore, so I went into bounty, honey was some bounty hunters. They took me into the business and taught me, am I wanted the book. I could not find any book show it turned out. I wrote the book bounty Hunter, which turned out to be the first book ever written on the subject. Unbeknownst me and then one step further by eighty five Robert Deniro manager saw the book board it and then made the movie men I run base.
On the book now about their some academics, who studied the data on inmates who jumped fail to see whether hunters, are more efficient, more effective at bringing them, and then police have found that the answer is yes. I guess this finding doesn't really surprised you too much. Does it doesn't because frankly, we know we capture about ninety four. Ninety six percent of every by a gems bail. Actually a department of Justice Report says that bounty hunters capture ninety seven percent of the fugitives they pursue nineties seven percent, the Nypd, the L, a p d and the Chicago p D fugitive details arrest about fifty to sixty percent of all wanted individual.
While they only work or forty hour week, they get paid regardless. Now it's not the police are slacking off. It's just as Burton points out that the police and bounty hunters have different incentives and different duties. The police have other cases to pursue other jobs to do. Sometimes the police and a bounty hunter will be going after the same fugitive, which can lead to friction yeah Please have a a fifty fifty love hate relationship with us, because we are doing what they do. We get paid more for one, a russian they might make all week where rivals with the detective division of that man's area efforts at every time we pop some one in New York City. Then why pay these
the text of the vision, a one hand, ok, one less case, but on the other hand, why the hell, those barriers get drunk with what we did a bounty hunter salary can vary greatly depending on a lot of factors, especially of course, the size of the bond. And says a typical bounty hunter earns between forty eight thousand and sixty five thousand dollars a year, which is pretty much in line with the police officer. Salary bounty hunters do have to pay, for their equipment. Now. Well, when you come out of the business version, I do it by a good thirty five for dollar per handcuffs. Then you got a buy up a pistol. You already have one three hundred fifty two five hundred bucks you should have afforded car. Ideally a van wakened. I support the prisoner from New York to New Orleans because prisoners flee when they flee the bonds was gonna. Call about three hundred in the area, the targeted area that he's fleeing to like me out
if you get caught all the time from Miami New Orleans taxes, God the bounty hunters on tv, I'm guessing that if people were that show and they come away with an impression of how a bounty hunter acts in his daily business. guessing? That's, maybe a tiny bit exaggerated, Can you help me out. There is grossly exaggerated why no one in the industry acts or rather looks like that we're dealing with cops judges, district attorney's. We can't look He looks forget the long hair you stand out in its it's pure television nonsense. The way he looks and in addition to that look I'll talk to me about what the work of a bounty hunters actually like on a daily basis. What what do you have to do?
and what you have to do well to be the body hunter about a higher abounding on a work as ninety seven percent, boredom three percent adrenalin its sitting in cars working on the telephone, calling people trying to find an answer where he would be. You have to be good on the phone as Bounty Hunter, you must have found skills. You must have an abode talk too to St Swine and and district attorney's an attorneys. And the bottom line as we look for the fugitive and the jewish everybody has a jewish menu and their life, and next girlfriend might betray him because he ran off with someone else arrival crack dealer will betray him because she wants that. Guy out of the system, When these weak, because he's got petition, there is always someone that will betray you Nabob just between you and me.
I was a bounty hunter lookin for you who's. Your Judas question is: probably fifteen server check showed the beach in Santa Barbara just fifteen, a guy like you. In March this year, my burden A r p means an american ready. The party we have, one of the oldest bounty hunters stays Wurzburg Agency has to be seventy nine array, and but how will do you, but I'm several, do I look forty one of course, especially on the radio friggin onyx radios produced by W and Y, see ATM american public media and Debonnair productions, our producers Susie like Timber Chris Neri Diana Wind and calling Campbell this happened,
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