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446. “We Get All Our Great Stuff from Europe — Including Witch Hunting.”

2021-01-06 | 🔗

We’ve collected some of our favorite moments from People I (Mostly) Admire, the latest show from the Freakonomics Radio Network. Host Steve Levitt seeks advice from scientists and inventors, memory wizards and basketball champions — even his fellow economists. He also asks about quitting, witch trials, and whether we need a Manhattan Project for climate change. 

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it s Stephen Dublin we ve been using this holiday break to play you some of the new shows that we ve been making for the economic radio network today a sample Steve Levitt, New, show people. I mostly admire your here in conversation with Maxine researcher months have slowly has been running operation, warp, speed, Susan would just get the ceo of Youtube. You'll hear Levitt Tom. Mindfulness, with SAM Harris and Cowardly Morgan and how to see The mind with CAN Jennings and Nelson Mandela's for time. Usa memory champion, he will discuss clutch performance, Sue bird, but must most decorated, basketball, players in history and the art of quitting. with cereal quitter in Nobel laureate Paul Roma. Some, the clips healing you are from shoes we ve already released, but many are from upcoming episodes.
make sure you don't miss. Any of them go subscribe right now to people I mostly admire you can get it on any Pakistan. It is quite a different show from for economics. Radio liberty is weirder than me for starters and a good way and a lot of people are mostly Meyer, is dedicated to advice. Giving and advice seek as you'll hear starting right now. So whenever young people ass my advice about getting a phd, I almost always try to talk them out of it. Getting a pity sounds fine and romantic. It's not funny. It seemed Figel, open all sorts of doors, but the truth really is its brutal. It destroys many people's self confidence and sense of self worth and in the end, the job prospects aren't even very good. So does that describe your page to experience it ass? It literally near broke my spirit and imagine also
giving birth to a human in that time. So I didn't party, I studied all the time, but I'm a person who wants to understand deeply the mysteries of the universe, and even if you're a stay at home after that, even if you become an actor on a tv show. The now allege that I have, as a scientist, has transformed my understanding of my religious life, my parenting life and really everything the world that I live in. I'm Steve love it and that was me talking with my im Bialik the Emmy nominated actress from the Big Bang theory- people tat Phds, other. Neither one of us,
really putting them too much. You cease days after decades doing academic research. I decided a few years back that I needed a change. I wanted to think about more practical problems to have some real world impact. So even though I am not so at home and from the Maghreb phone, I get the bullet and I started this bought guest people are mostly admire with goals showcasing the ideas of people I admire and also maybe slipping than my own views on the world here and there, for instance. I am a firm believer. There should be a lot more quitting, I'll, be much better off and it turns out I am not alone in their believe, there's Paul Roma, we'll prize winning economist the way I've tried to offer advice is by saying there always something else you can do so if you reach a roadblock, especially if you feel like you're notion of right and wrong is gonna require compromise to get past, the robot Gordon
something else diamond. I call you a queer and for most people, those who be fighting words, but I think you ll actually one of the few people who would consider that a compliment so to have them inside and dead. What make here to quit. Well I'd, never framed it. The way you do about. I like that in your face description of Quitter Roma. The physicist before he became an economist. He's also worked in Silicon Valley and was even ever so briefly, the chief economist at the wheel, bank, a dream job for a lot of people, but with the World Bank actually tried to quit I didn't think it was a waste of time was persuaded that it would be very damaging to the bank if I quit so I figured out. I'd get myself fired and it worked I do not. Consider sunk costs in your career and that his Peter it here a boxer, returned surgeon, turned banishment consultant, turned longevity research,
so, I've done a lot of different things and makes me a master of nothing, but life isn't really about necessarily being the mask You have something in many ways is the advice I gave. Everyone is not to be afraid of change is so hard to quit stuff. It might be that it's the rigidity of thought that is really the biggest problem and the ability to quit or not quit become a very high water mark two separate those people out. Do you have
the advice on knowing when they quit something we are all familiar with the story of perseverance winning out. I tends to not advocate that fully and that its Nathan miracle, the former chief technology officer and Microsoft, an expert on the science of cooking who, like Paul Roamer, started out in physics until he ran into a bit of a wall, there's no point in beating your head against the wall, after you ve, given the wall, a few good practice move over to try to find a softer spot in the world. For God's sake, I dont mean you should always be a twitter. It's hard to know where that trade off is Tintint sort of quit the life of a typical academic. I started a research
enter. It's called a radical innovation for social change or risk for short, we're a team of us try to think of ways to make the world better it something. Neither mere bold has dedicated his life to by starting a big invention firm, and it's not easy. This too late frustrations being better. The first is when you can't stop Rob course, most of your ideas do fail. It takes a lot of integration before you here on something that really succeed. Then this is the second one that you can't get the world to adopt it having influence. Policy is something we all think that we're gonna do that's economist, Emily after a brown university and then deserve asked. It turns out that people don't listen. Let me help you well oftentimes. An idea is enough to win the day and academics. Have this view that well, you you, you haven't idea, put out there and it's not our job to do limitation? That's the job of the people in the field we sort of black.
a translation of the lady- and I think that that is something that we certainly don't think of as very valuable you're. The provision rewards creation and publication, but not translation. It doesnt work yeah I can certainly impotent, Sweden, Nathan, anomalies, Emily's frustrations. In many ways. Risk is designed to be that kind of intermediaries between academic ideas and real world application. but even with that focus on the one year anniversary of the center. I sat down to tell you how many lives we had meaningfully affected. Unfortunately, the honest answer with zero, between failed ideas and long legs getting our occasional good ideas implemented. We literally nothing to show for her hard work, and that's when I decided to start this podcast. I realized my best avenant for doing good in the world was drawing attention to the brain, people who, in their own very different ways, were having an impact, and the podcast gives me the chance to ask those folks. Questions have really want to learn the answers to
I'm really curious if you have indeed vices someone who obviously things logically and scientifically about how to change the minds of people who don't think vertically and scientifically, I always say, I'm not trying to change their mind, I'm actually mostly trying to understand how they think and start from there. That's motive, slowly, who's! The chief advisor for operation warped the: U S: government, eighteen billion dollar effort to fast track a covert nineteen Betsy, because in order to really convince somebody of something you need to truly, exchange of views, which means understanding why they say something. My advice is a active listening and be once you have some grasp of the problem. Think of solutions that creates energy and momentum to move forward. If you continue describing the problem you stay still
Appetite for debate has diminished more or less, along with the realisation that it doesn't work. all that well and that the same errors, the stamp retrain, neuroscientist turned philosopher in meditation advocate, perhaps best known these days- is the author of waking up and the founder of the meditation. Of the same name. It's really hard to change people's minds in real time. People tend to change our minds in private and count on one hand the nun five times have witnessed somebody relinquish fairly core cherished beliefs. That's like witnessing a supernova burst Then I'm surprised at you ve ever convinced anyone to change a core believe. I can't think of a case. I've ever been that persuasive let's get a person
before the scientific revolution could very well believe that there are unicorns and where was that comets and eclipses, our portents of the future beliefs that now, we think of ass, primitive, superstitious magical, but they were they conventional understanding of the day that he Steven pinker the Harvard psychologist and linguist, but once there is science once there is scholarship once it is history, then you can expand the domain of a real two rounds, There are common sense to have a place for it and that revelation that our everyday experience is not reliable guide to the ultimate nature of reality. Yes, transition in thought. We don't have this on founded faith in our own observations, our own ability to understand things, Paul Roamer again to get the benefits we want from discovery and collective. Farming is important to have incentives for
a wider range of views that get expressed so that when a new bit of information shows up at least gets entered into the conversation, rather than having somebody self censorship, because they don't wanna be too far outside of the norm. For me, One of the learning is science can help humanity that again is massive slowly. The vaccine researcher who's been running opera. Warp speed, designing a vaccine is the most Jim demonstration of it, because the impact happens on a short period of time that we can see that live it. But if I take global warming, where we impact our livelihood, but on a much slower pace and science tells us
it's going in the wrong direction, we should be listening to it. I have been arguing for years that what we need on climate change is something very much like to exercise which is to put our patient work speed where we take the best scientists in the world and devote them to tackling climate change. There has been very few problems that mankind is put its scientific might towards and not been able to solve. So are you willing to volunteer for the job of rain exercise? when you finish the debate about it. If I had expertise, I would definitely consider it, but I do think one of the ingredients that very important, particularly when timelines our fast is what they call educated intuition. which is really anchored: aid, knowledge and experience
You don't know the answer to the question that somehow your instincts drive you in a particular direction and the other thing that's really important, and it is unfortunate that it takes a crime, is for that to happen, its intrinsic alignment of all the players death, rather than spending whatever percentage of our time Arguing for the last five per cent of alignment, everybody's align global warming. Unfortunately, not everybody is around this proposal, something that Gun Manhattan Project for climate change, PEST Nathan, mere volt, you no bearing on the intellectual output of a bunch of really smart motivated people that are in a context where you're not constraining their creativity. That's a bet that almost always pays off. I've been on the board of trustees. The prince didn't shoot for advanced study
which is amazing place for basically very pure academic research in a number of fields. They set this up in there team, thirty, nine, and by later, in forty five June one moment one of the people they desired literally invents. The computer wanting the often comes up in these discussions is my belief that how we teach students in school is completely wrong. Imagine we were given the chance to start from scratch with the goal of designing the best possible educational experience, no constraints, pretty confident that the math and science we would teach, would be much more interesting, much more inspiring and much more relevant to people's everyday lives rather than torturing high schoolers with trigonometry that they'll. Never you
I could not agree more that only so. Many hours in the day and if his choice between trigonometry and conditional probability is obvious, what kinds of mathematics have the greatest impact, both on our? responsibilities as citizens and the decisions that we make in our everyday lives. Any educate, precision no, what busy and reasoning is, or taking a decision under uncertainty in a way that trades off the harm, a false alarms with the harm of MRS or how to tell correlation from causation how do boy, logical fallacies and critical thinking, fallacies, but not just math and science. I think our overall approach to education could use an overhaul Well, my children happened to be home, schooled actress, mine, Bialik again, one the reasons that we home school is that we want to raise thinkers and not regurgitate authors. I'm interested.
they're, not raising children, who, essentially our soldiers, had ample soldiers of education. I was about as good a student as a person could be through eyes, glowing God, but it wasn't. my first day in the real world on the job and managing insulting where my boss. Actually he gave me a stack of documents. It had some numbers about new drug applications for the FDA, He said so by the end of the week. I want you to tell me how our client can get their drugs approve faster, and I said: but I don't know anything about the FDA, how do you want me to do it and he says the grown up you to tell you the answers and I broke out in a cold, sweat, and it was the first time really that anyone had asked me to think rather than to regard to take, but what I realized it. I love to think so. I couldn't agree more about the girdle taken versus thinking. Steve we just became best friends, look at that
our education system was designed in the nineteenth century and these students were not being taught how to deal. the uncertainty or how to be adaptable or how to access resilience. That is carefully Morgan, a former send monk and the founder of peace in schools, a program that managed to introduce mine from the studies into the curriculum of Portland Oregon public schools. I could agree more that a riverside educational system should put much more emphasis on mental health will be an emotional resilience, physical education, is only introduced what a hundred years ago or something so it doesn't seem to me to be an outlandish vision that, at some point, we'll think it's crazy. You have an educational structure that doesn't include well being tools of resilience, social, emotional learning, the healthy coping mechanisms,
hundred fifty years ago. The only person lifting waits was the cry, the guiding the circus would that the handlebar moustache and the leopard skin single it right, SAM Harris again the idea that you would arbitrarily pick up heavy objects repeatedly. as a way of change in your body and when you know understand the logic of it really bizarre project, and yet we all now know that physical. Exercises is one of the best things you can do and most people feel like their minds, are more or less whatever they wound up with. One aim stumbled into adulthood, right about the idea that through training- You could really change your mind. That's not understood another topic? That's long fascinated me also having to do with a mind his memory when I was young. I pride myself on having a great memory, but after a decade of sleep deprivation,
my raising six kids. It seem like I could barely remember my own name, which is a problem, because I'm part of this inventory only trivial league and I'm obsessed with it. Every morning they sent me a set of questions and sometimes also there for an hour stirring up into space, trying to probe the deepest recesses of my mind, searching for those answers which I admit is pretty said. That is not sad at all. That is, can Jennings the greatest of all time jeopardy champion and currently the interim jeopardy host its incredibly validating to have something emerged from your mind and actually pay off in some real world. Since I was surprised that when you are prepping projection the? U N, you I've, many were working with flashcards. I would think, and most probably think that you take saw the way you have must have a memory that so good that you'd only flashcards, because you just need to learn something once in. You
Remember forever. Is it not true? I would say the general rule is if I learn something ones, and I find it interesting, I think it's more likely to stick, but yeah you got near universal somebody who think they have it remarkable memory or a kid who can't learn their timetables. They still no reward of every song on their favorite album and they know every player on the roster of their favourite team. The memory working just fine when engaged like the people, you see on jeopardy, don't have photographing memories, that's not a real thing, they're, just interested in like ten times the things you are something people mistakenly think they have a bad memory. They mistakenly think things are boring. Interest has quite been explained to them right. So you get thirty minutes to look at pages and pages. Ones and zeros. The binary numbers that his fort I'm, U S, memory champion Nelson Jealous and you have to remember as many as you can in order to get an hour to write down as many of them as you can. I can do about two to three
thousand and started with one digit every two seconds and that to practice doing that very quickly in and and learning how to Do that without hesitation. So you claim to have only an average memory. Before you start doing this ages, making that upper that this area I'm telling you it's the way as if you look up my transcripts you'll see if I mean I'm not have had a good memory, but a really good work ethic for something that was passionate about, but I've taught many people how to get to a really high level of improving their memory with joy Some of these basic techniques, we get into some of those techniques and the episode with Nelson Mandela's, which will be out soon, and I will tell you sceptical, but I have been amazed at how are they work even for a moment. Marie challenged old guy. Like me, you might suspect, given eclipse you ve heard so far, that my guests- and I always agree in fact, we often
argue and I usually come out on the losing it after the break you here a few of those arguments and some great stories like how the Neuro scientist in private all it is Robert supposedly affected, the art of shooting baboons in the rear and with a tranquilizing dart, spend an absurd amount of time trying to fix it had a look nonchalant around taboos that and much more coming up right now, to this. For economics, radio sponsored by new. You know had a two and and a full displays, a pizza, so the cheese doesnt fight off but do you really know how to eat based in psychology? Numa teaches you about eating why you make the choices you do and gives you the tools to replace your habits with healthier one, plus knew only asks for ten minutes of your time per day. Sign up for Europe,
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massive slowly. So there's something called a challenge trial where people are given an experimental vaccine and you actually intentionally expose people who got vaccine to convert to see if they get sick and in the huge benefit of the challenged child, is that a deal to answers quickly, and I suspect that if we had unchallenged Charles Colvard probably could have speeded up approval of a vaccine by two hundred and twenty four months, maybe what to save two hundred thousand years lives and five hundred billion dollars and government deficit. Why didn't we do charge trials and t regret their choice? The first thing is, you cannot take while type virus and challenge people with it. That's totally unethical. Let me stop you. Ok, there's a weird dichotomy for me between what medical ethics believes
and what common sense says, which is, if you can save a hundred thousand lives by maybe killing ten volunteers who you could pay very generously a million dollars apiece to take a one in a hundred chanced to die. I don't understand why that unethical, when you are going to have to take people with com or www cheese, old people, albeit etc, very complex and the issue of the ethics. It gets very important if this was a border where exposure of the virus means two percent chance of death. It's a different story. If there is an airborne virus that gives ninety percent of people that's, it gets him. Yes, challenge trial and volunteers to save the other, I also pushed back and something that you tube CEO, Susan watch risky and I were discussing shouldn't you tube strategy- reflect the fact that you cannot about how much hate speeches on the platform today, but you care about
How much hate speeches on the platform a month from now, you ve now or five years from now, there's a whole menu of strategies that it seems to me that you and the other committees have punted on to achieve a short term goal. to say that I don't think we have necessarily gone after a short term goal. So last quarter we removed eleven million videos, and you can look and see what percentage have come from eight foot, that's kind. My point, which is a really short term way to deal with hate speech, is to take down people's videos and then let them start a new account and put up again when people create content on Youtube. They have tools. Wine is that lots of people say yet, and the second is that they generate revenue, so basically there's a whole gray scale in terms of how we approach these different types of content is not just black or white honour off the platform, and so they'll be some content that will allow
on the platform, but they can't monetize it and we won't recommended, and at the end, if you can generate any revenue and no one's gonna watch it. You ve taken away a lot of the incentives for people to create that content. In the interest of fairness, I did it bent towards you see how wrong I was when it came to you to being bought by Google in the first place. I Go on record as saying that I remember vividly a lunch conversation I had in the days after Google acquired Youtube and I was sitting in the fact that club, but the arrest of Chicago with a bunch of other economists, including some Nobel Prize winners, and honesty. We almost never agreed on anything, but all of us collectively agreed a hundred percent around the room that that was the stupidest businessmen everybody made in the history of mankind, and history has proven Fifteen years later that acts, I might have been the single that's acquisition about TAT the seller. Now we only have like a day. I don't go through the whole process, and so I voted the model in an hour at the most
They won't getting ass a lot of questions about it, and why did you assume all Things I always have to remind people, I d really couldn't do it without much detail and I first up demands have slowly to when operation works. It was announced back in May of twenty twenty. I will admit that I and honesty everybody intelligent that I knew predicted. He would be a complete disaster that there's no way you would hit here. Time line of genuine twenty twenty one? I am so delighted to be sitting here today completely wrong in my predictions. Yes, it is amazing, with all the teams and the companies, the hundreds and thousands of volunteers who participated in a trial having being part of it, is incredibly rewarding. change
Economists in the show is part of the freak announced family from time to time. We discuss economic research, including on some important topics such as race. The share of african american men and the whole population were not working today, meaning you take into account the institutionalized, the unemployed and the out of the labour force is more than thirty percent. Better. Astoundingly, ok, that's current! Charles, the Diana born economist and thirteen of the Yale School of Management in what share of american school districts larger than fifty thousand. at least the majority of african american children Red agreed level. If a handful, that's national, disgrace and you're, not just talking Anatoly intended.
Profoundly important research that has shown will exactly what you're saying, which is at the very top african american success has been fantastic, but in the bottom part of the distribution, black even lost ground relative to whites is accurate. Think about the decline of manufacturing, the rise of automation, all of which especially adversely affect blacks at a meeting in below in other episodes. We touch on some less important, but no less interesting economic topics like this one with economies Emily. after one topic she studied, which trials so that it is really about what is driving, which trials in Europe is actually a period of a little a siege and, of course, call their whether meat or crop failures, and the idea was if we think that this is a feeling of getting things are not going well, and I need someone to blame baby. Those things
but be linked, and what you showed in really simple ways was that there was an incredibly strong correlation between periods of unexpected cold, and the number of unfortunate the men who were murdered as witches I would add, is actually there were some men which is too but, yes, it was big phenomenon in Europe, much bigger than did one incident people know about Salem, so we imported the witch hunting from Europe, our great stuff on them, including which, judging it is a huge part of the show, is just hearing stories from people who done unusual things, for instance, for more than a decade Robert. Supposing he ran in neuroscience, lab at Stanford University, perhaps here for the other half of the year. He would live among a troop of baboons in Kenya, secretly trying to knock them out to study their biology.
You to spend an absurd amount of your time trying to fix It had a look nonchalant around taboos, so these were animals. Are we spending? You know all day long with just following around with a walking stick thing with every now and then returned to a blow gun instead get somebody in the rear when he wasn't looking, and so would you diadem, they would fall over or it took awhile he'd reactors. If you would be its stung him or sat on a thorn, get up scratches rear first second, and go back to what he was doing and then about it. Later, he would sit down, and the Amis Fabric that I used was then cycle indeed also know whose pc p also known as angel dust, which meant I was
many a lot of time, filling in forms and being interviewed by skeptical agents from the drug enforcement agency, forgetting my pc p each year. So what you would see, pc p, when used at ST levels, is a robust hallucinogens. Maybe thirty seconds before the guy would go down. He'd, be me facial expressions at other baboons who were not that they are things of that sort. Suddenly plop he goes down and you, we run in and get a lot sample as fast as possible. How long would it take to recover afterwards depended on the experiment, they would recover overnight in a cage that I would let them out the next morning there was this ironic thing in that it that toes pc p a retrograde diagnostic, which means his memory of the entire day is wiped out so the next morning, He wakes up and he's
his cage dawn and he's freaking out and who resident comes and, let's amounted to be. I was getting all of this on the earth, the synergy with these guys for her railway clean, freeing them from the strain circumstance if they ever recovered memory. I was completely screwed on my favorite episode, which will become out soon, as with the Basque about championed Sue bird, whose in especially insightful athlete, I think pressure affects everybody at just affect some people different but I would think that, in order to be the player you are, he would have to be a person who acted gets better. under pressure rather than worth so now kind of getting into this world of the clutch gene argued a lie you and take a guy Your team are of a woman on your team. Just for that reason I don't think the differences great enough, but obviously there
people who are known for hitting big shots are known for playing well in big games that exists for sure I heard a student who wrote a paper about Joe shooting and believe it or not, it turns out that at the end of a game, if the game is on the line that the NBA shooters, do worse from the free throw line. Then they do at other parts of the game, but that was totally absent in the W Nba. It's really, I think, the opposite the public perception about men and women, but women seem too of ice water. In their veins, the men in the NBA really really didn't. That's really interesting The other thing I was going to add was, I think, we kind of frame it the wrong way. We expect the person to be hitting those shots are making those free those in this case and its actually the reverse its that you might make three at ten but somebody else is making zero. If I'd, whose a successful it's like whose them
successful of the least successful. So you really saying there people who cannot maintain the level when the pressure gets really high, There are people who maintain it, but it's not like there's a whole lot of folks who get better when the pressure on and that's what this academic paper showed, that it wasn't that there were set of people who were clutch In this sense, there were even better at the end, it was this difference between maintaining presupposing getting worse exactly exactly you'll coin as someone who thrives under pressure he's a senior product manager at Google who recently led Google side in the development of a covert contact, tracing up leading partnership with Apple and used by health authorities around the world, but If you reckon ass, yours name its most likely because he one season, thirteen of the tv show survivor, you're heading into survivor. You ve been a life long.
and list of social dynamics and game theory. So what Reggie strategies? Did you top issue headed into the game, so from a game? Theory, prospect I was always a fan of Robert actual rods work around, evolution of cooperation- and so one thing he did Nineteen eighty was too Hosty tournament where he invited some of the most prominent research. First to submit a strategy for playing iterated prisoners, dilemma in the form of some sort of a computer program, and all of these programmes would essentially compete against each other in a round Robin tournament and some her pretty complicated, like you know that try to do an analysis of what the other programme was doing. The thing
Winning was smitten by this mathematical psychologist and Anatole Report, and his strategy was something called tit for tat. It starts off cooperating to start off being nice and then it just copies whatever the other guy did the last time. So if the other programme cooperated than the next term tit for tat, like ok cooperative, if the other programme back stabs the interpreters, like ok, I'm gonna get retribution, but then, if the other programme starts cooperating again than tit for tat would cooperate. I did to class to undergrad. That is economic scores for non he caught majors and want to lectures on game theory and, in particular on prison dilemma, and indeed
it. I tried to tell them at the end of a lecture that tit for tat is a pretty good strategy for life. If you want to hear about the single most brilliant, real world application of game theory, I've ever encountered in tune into the upcoming episode with you. coin. It absolutely blew my mind. Susan Wojciechowski, who we heard from earlier, is like your client, a senior level employer Google. But years before that, when Google was just starting out, she was actually there landlord. So is it common for people in Menlo Park to run off, your eyes, no, is definitely not common. I was just looking to rent a tie, had rent income and could pay the mortgage as a just graduated from this
the school student with a lot of student loans, and it also happen to be that it was a start up that found me and it was Sergei and Larry. The founders of Google, who wound up renting our house you just put an ad in the local newspaper is something we have aggressor. How does that I did it? I buy it turned out. I had a friend who was good friends with Sergei and they were getting started at the same time and they were looking for office space, and this was during the first of technology, and so they really struggle to find any space, and I said well, you know we have three rooms. here in the garage there, there really tiny rooms and they thought it was great living in their dorm and there was a washer and drier and there is a hot tub in the backyard they really thought. This was the best thing ever am at the time, seem totally normal. All my friends would come over and like, where those guys are really other. Do some internet guys in my house and then to have you for it.
They found out, they were Google is hard to imagine in today's world, but that's the way it was twenty years ago. I often in my interviews by asking my guess for advice, last question. Last My last question: it seems to me you ve, lived a really good life. You have advice about living, a good life. So what advice would you If on leading a life worth living, so how bout a living a great life and so to end this episode. We ve compiled some of those responses, but first let me make an observation: if you're still listening this far into the pot cat, that's a pretty good sign your enjoying it, which makes me think you should subscribe to people I'm awfully admire. If you haven't already, we release ten episode since August and because of the amazing response were planning to start releasing new episodes weekly
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Follow the just because I was able to pay for a house on game, show winnings that every jeopardy fan should quit their job and train for jeopardy. That the route principle is sound that, like the talents, you have those things we really should treat as just a sacred essential part of you make sure that the thing your good ass is central to your life, and maybe it means you pick a career that leaves you time at the end of the day too. Indulgent, but just don't know, collect the thing about you that make you weird growing up just happy to get. When I got, I think, that's an issue with women. I really like to tell the younger women we need to expect to be paid loud. We need expect to have opportunity, because, when you expected that can change how your viewed and how women are viewed, you'd, so poorly but being true to yourself is parliament
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