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as for to come about tomorrow from the us department of energy, so I'm I'm a little skeptical, but then we also had jeff brown on who is a futurist who's like if it's not this in the next. dating a twenty four months. It's going to be somebody fusion is here, that's remarkable hm we're going it's going fast. I don't know that we've really thought through all the ramifications of it, but a lot of them will be positive. If that happens, oh that's great. Until you hear today's podcast just for futurists you're going to love this also, we talk about the future of the republican party. What is it they have to do with the budget? We take that first step there today

the podcast curious thinking, I don't even know where to start on the twitter thing, the I mean what bothers you, the most that twitter and the Democrats lied about censorship that the government, involved with twitter and censorship that michelle obama press, twitter to ban trump the media is completely silent new year times Washington post one story in the last week there been several updates that have happened and nothing on the sunday shows except fox how about the f b, I and c d c, using a back channel with a twitter or the internal documents that show only one twitter, a employee was

Raising serious free speech concerns identified as a junior, staffer, yaquita. Okay, so three things here, that they good lawyer up about first it, looks like the material may have been intentionally hidden or destroyed. Despite enquiries from congress, remember kind someone said twitter, do destroy anything because we're coming for an investigation, so it looks like some of evidence has been destroyed. That's. Gonna, go well for people plus the a. They lied under oath over and over and over again this is This is a free speech. Fight for the public and more people are debating whether twitter is bad or good. This is about the

federal government being involved neck deep, in censorship. To me, I think so too, because interesting, you read the back and forth. There is one employees like hey, guys, we should like ban a leader of the free world. Maybe this, a bad idea there is one employee doing that one one spot, I mean legitimately, one single employ a juniors. whilst ever meanwhile slack mess. It is how much does exist, Michael there's. Nobody there going like hey guys like don't you see how this can be seen by the kind of He says this might be popular opinion but One off ad hoc decisions like this- that don't appear rooted in policy are, in my opinion, a slippery slope and reflecting alternatively ii well dictatorial problem. He said this now appears to be fee

To buy an online platform ceo with a global present that can gain speech for the entire world that sea harness unsustainable, very nice way of saying very obvious. That is wrong with you yeah, so it's especially because, first of all, you mentioned the ceo and I dunno if his jack counts at that point, because he went back and forth in that role but I will say it does seem. A jack was out of these conversations, often seem like he was the centre, pushing point for a lot of stuff and he was I mean in this one he was on vacation phoning into meetings. They say so we'll see how that plays out. If we get as we get more information, but he doesn't seem to be the the center, the center of power, the the gravity of all of the seas. Ninety, he seems to be occasionally involved, but not necessarily evolved in the day to day guy, you're well, roth is the guy who seems to be the guy who freely

is behind a lot of this, and they have a lot. his messages. What if Interesting though, if you go through them and there is a lot of conversation from twitter. employees saying Things like look are policies joan. Allow us to do this. There is no just suffocation for doing these things, because of policies. Yes, so how? we crash years must stop. me. I was to go to this but go on and they say so how craft, a path around the world these. How do we justify this through the policy or in other words we all love the constitution, but then we have to do right, sometimes there's things we have to do, and that seems to be the constant. frayne in these messages? They all agreed, obviously that donald trump was bad and need to be removed immediately and concern These were dangerous and all of this, but they didn't do a lot about that.

In this period as far as banning, if they couldn't come up with a way to if the policies around january six that all aim to change like they just abandon this completely and just started because think it justified for how they felt because of how they felt as well. They fit how they felt, as is important, because I think it's you say it's how they felt, because they felt donald trump was a danger to the country that the the the right was was a horrible group of people that we're doing terrible things, and I think that's true, like I think that is part of this story part, but the other thing they felt was massive pressure. you're from federal government and ease michel, michelle obama major report, people in the press that are simple, to be neutral. All of the other pressure came in a lot of these people are friends they

massive outside pressure, to come up with a way to justify this Paul, see or not, and so they are if you did it. Does that mean that they are innocent here? Who not at all I mean they're, just doesn't change how you should feel about twitter, but it should, I think, put the focus of the mare can people and their attention span, which is limited to the people the federal government. who are starting this pressure campaign right, it's in yes, it interesting that some executive twitter was lip and look for a way to ban Donald prompt or some other conservative sure that's interesting. It's part of the story, but the fact that our government It was getting involved, federal government and former government employees. Oh as early as rb as late as last week

elon musk fired the guy who is involved in the trump set up of the russia gate. The the that fbi agent was deal filtering and possibly deleting things covering up fbi's involvement in twitter as as late as last week and that's far more didn't die. It's far from the that this stuff was going on outside, because look there a lot they're going to have their defences on whether they ban people or not, whether it fits policy or not. How big of em a violation is that you look at it, but you can get punish what it might not be that serious. The first amendment specifically deals with federal government influence. I mean specifically means talking about laws, but it does have got. I think, a direct line, direct line from fair, we'll government employees- and

employees, oh yeah, pressure ratio, the white house too. They said it, they said it. They bragged about it and bragged about at the time and and the media was so on their side on this stuff, but it never got any. Equal treatment and ragged see fbi white house, all of them all of them, steering and pushing the steerage. twitter. They had an online portal where you could say: hey based tweet, you should pull down and twitter would look at is twitter. Looking, that really are they making egg, but they making aid coherent analysis of what this tweet is. Actually this particular position is from Stanford he's well respected, he's a little out of the mainstream, maybe of of consensus but hey. You know

stars and important voice. Are they going that now, but the experts say the federal experts say he's not so so roger whose more at a spurt than the federal government's expert right, the pressure is making the decision. Correct is no decision making wrecked they're just adopting it now, of course, if, if Donald trump administration came to them and said the same thing, it would not be this way why the silence from, mainstream media, this is an enormous story. This is proof positive, that the government is colluding to lie to you, and using twitter to do it Why the silent? How does the press thing?

they will get away with this, and your listening to the best of the global problems are, and I want to play a couple of farm. I want to play a couple of pieces from the media in russia and I'll translate here. First, let's play victor bout, he is speaking Ah moose boot, boot, sorry, effective or take the boat Speaking on russian television about the american society areas? two persuaded muzzle budget, and this is what happening in the west is simply the suicide of civilization obese, and if this suicide gives in preventing, at the very least outside the western world of knowing me another

The woman in the world do not controlled by the anglo saxon s lying at the entire planet will commit suicide. You know yet europe location- but this is a problem really happening in all areas of drugs- is what is called in russian algae bt. You plan to do to you was represented at each other you imagine that an american schools, they are now teaching first greater income. In these six and seven year old. First greatest orchestrates, benatar turns out. There are seventy two genders. You prove to bring that about pseudo gay people, a normal people but not of mine. I seemed somewhat seventy two hour, I so between that go. Look. We released a guy this here. He was prison here, and he goes back and he knows where's how sick. We are any saying it comment reserved now.

Here's another show. This is a big big hawk show television show in russia. This is russian state media mocking Biden. Listen to this one. Can you wishing possessed by the look of course I was very amused. Let's do not surprise, then reboot was exchanged for a greener and not wait. We may get busted. I would. First of all I congratulate noble and his entire family. For many years we have been in touch with his family. Was none scheme semi to the extent that it was possible we communicated with him extent we could all men. Of course, this is a huge joy in relief to all, alas, latin. I can't even imagine what this means to his family but he was not exchange stream for the heroic spy. Neither you, nor does it each new impure movie does because he's a spy wieland, is a spy you apprehended, while receiving information work, went on a flat

dry left. You could hear what he said. He was supposed to get photos of churches snuffling on a flash drive. You send church photos through what's out riding something that's where they we gotta play we don't get a flash drive and brought to you for that catch. The new quality would be decent, no worse in a flash drive, he's a spy think, therefore, to them he's a hero. Is a euro only decorated marine covered in metal? Seventy, I'm a debate not one not to, but three problems are maintaining maddy on Billy. First problem machine is widened, flip of things the thicket its second problem that we, he is a man third problem here- for sexual, but this is not something you can get away with more american voters. I he beats greener, every aspect: it's a catastrophe, a merry

and voters were given a choice, a hero who suffered while serving his father land or a metal covered hero who suffered during his service to his father land. The united states black lesbian hooked on drugs, whose, offered for vague with hashish hashish uneven to avoid a well known for the same if pr and brought a can. Voters are choosing the obviously right. think this is one more piece of good news, the first good, was isabel boot return notion Second, good news as a nation that spit on its heroes, to the extent that it considers it significantly more important. A free, rightfully charged well known athlete weasel, but she didn't suffer as she's after ass she saw served her mother land as well, because She couldn't live with you too, for ten hours without hashish instead of freeing the person in prison for two years for serving as motherland. This says a lot about the state of this society. These intelligent agencies and

everything related to geo political confrontation. It is obvious that it wow while ought to unpack about analysis So what are your thoughts watching this? Well, taking. I think you're going to go to your base just to base just on what they actually are saying. First of all, he was not a spy. This is a break. Fleet lie. He was not a spy that is still to this day is not a spy. That is a lie by the russian by russian propaganda. Not true important to note here, and at some level You know he's not an american hero, and I say that not because that's my opinion, because the media has not fully It's really at all the guy. I mean he's not known in american circles at all. He was he's an unknown person unless you happen to follow this stuff, which I know we have- and I know the audience, probably as with, generally speaking, it has not covered most people, don't know in fact the hero of the two

to the american media. Is brittany, greener, Now it is it because she's black and less in and a woman part is in turn a celebrity and a celebrity so taking the celebrity part separately, because I think that is undoubtedly true, blogger. a hundred percent. True, the reason why they went after Brittany, grinders, because there was so much salt press. I if I were I were over in russia and arrested for anything you say saving bathing day, let's at noon. it'd, be like oh they'd. Send me to ask you to go to siberia. Okay. So, yes, it was it's not just pure fame, but the right, because it would not have the right kind of fame. It's the politically correct, fame right. I think the interesting part about her gender, her sexuality, the color of her skin, Is you could argue? Well, that's not because I we made this argument- and I know you made this argument last week where

there's a real argument to be made to me to you. yeah too. I think many conservative right that we do go, get the woman out. This situation before the man whose a marine out of chivalry, oh my gosh, how outdated are you now? The I I it is. That's that I mean that is that erica would have done this. You know fifty Ago, twenty years ago, without question without question, the woman goes first, the marine was train, he can handle it and every marine would cheered on. Yes, you know- and I think now, of course, the bite in administration can't make that argument, because they can't even define what a woman is for. I saw how can they possibly say so to enter? saying it's chivalry, they're, not saying that no other did it, but, like think of the alternative, let's say they did take Wieland

What would the media be saying today if they did take a white male instead of bread? greater. Oh, you forget the way it came out if they did the opposite we know it would be months of coverage the only reason they didn't take brittany, reiner is because she's black she's, a woman, and she has an alternative lifestyle, and you can't do that to the hand that feeds you, so I wouldn't only the extreme left that would have done it would have split. I mean the after one thing, the right does not have cooperation cooperation. They each other. They hate each other. You re! We think that the marxists, aryan bed with joy, ie and and all of these other giant corporate with city bank. Do you really think? No, of course not.

That was a deal made at occupy wall street I will give you some money, you go away and leave us alone, but they still hate each other, but they work together. The right doesn't if he would have release that only the extreme dedicated left would have gone on television, and it would have been mainly on MSNBC. I think, because they couldn't bite the government and that is feeding them. I've been there, but it been as strong if it was a Republican that did it maybe over that's all you hear about for four years. Sure here the thing that I really want to point out. This is Dugan alexander, do Alexander Dugan is a master at traditional ism capital

t traditional ism he's a russian adviser to pay He is a scholar he is the guy whose daughter was just assassinated. He says by ukrainians. He is a. Very influential figure in russia. Alexander Dugan is extraordinarily dangerous he has used Putin money. For here in the united states. He has allies here in the united states. Is Allies tend to be like, what's his name robber, spencer? The head of the nazi is an in that region, france, richard spencer. Yes, are you, Robert whoever you really look, I've known as the head of the all right and yet here- and you know he was nazi- his wife or his girlfriend- and can't I think it's his wife, his wife Is the trends later for Alexander Dugan, the

english, translator, gay, he is in bed with the worst of the worst and he also comes in with sheepskin moving. He also has emissaries that have put money. To prevent national family kind of things, so he just talking tradition, look, we're gonna, lose our traditions, we're losing we're losing basic basic things here that you know, god wants us to have. He is as close as you can two satan on earth, as you can find. He believes that the entire world story? Sat and so he wants to bring on literally armageddon and the end of the world. He leaves it's better to reset to the stone age to wear we all are just tribal again.

we get rid of all of this new technology and get rid of all of these new things that make us into who we are. I think we you just master them and not let them be the master of us. He wants breathing destroyed. He is really frightening. I think he is the most frightening jane. Bon style, villain alive today, in cloud schwab drawer narrowly dangerous, but he's dangerous, because he's the guy who pushes narratives in the west like this. He's the guy was like this a suicide by the anglo saxons and somebody's gotta stand up or the entire planet, and so there gotta, be russia. Russia, The defender of the faith now have you ever thought of russia, as the defender of the faith in russia the defender of the faith. None the reputation historically, but.

You know an american schools, their teaching about seventy two genders. Look they're, letting this this lesbian drug user out over traditional hero. She right fully charged? How could they paused simply do that. They ve gone to hell. Extraordinarily dangerous. I tweeted this without comment, because I wanted to make the comment today, because you need to understand it and that's not gonna happen in it. Eat you need to understand this. Satan is the author of all lies confusion and chaos, but he is, he does not only speak lies his trick is he speaks. Much of the truth and then co mingles it with extra

ordinarily evil lies. What's the truth, We are on a suicide path, gang. It less. Somebody stands up in the western hemisphere. The west is going to wipe itself out. We are A suicidal path period that part of the message is true: We have turn things upside down that because you're, a man or a heterosexual you're, not worth as much as somebody else, meaning all men are created. Equal is no longer true. That suicidal that's not sustainable. That's what built the west again true,

The lie, russia is, the saviour they're kind of government is the saviour. I dont think any government is the saviour. I think that government of god, is the saviour. The only reason why we had a semi decent government, that is Churchill said the worst except everybody else's government- the reason why we had that semi decent government was because we understood our first passport our first citizenship, was to the kingdom of god. Second, citizenship was american, and until we realise that we will be duped by Dangerous danger, lies, mixed with

Clear trees at the best of a bad debt programme, chapparal always gotta talk to you, my friend. How are you Couldn't have young Jeff I was reading Saturday something from what was Morgenstern only. I can remember one big financial firms and they were showing what's happening with e s g and the whole plan, and it got to Thirty thirty one and said fusion plants provide baseline energy, and I thought that's eight years away, how's that gonna happen. Then stay. I hear. We are announcing fusion energy. So I come two three conclusions that I want. I want to see you, you think a the big one

companies have always put fusion and hidden all that technology. We ve wait forever, but oil big oil stopped it. I don't believe that second, the the government. Has a fusion and ready to go and it's gonna be remarkable and it's gonna happen quickly or The third option is. They know we're close to something. This is a way to get people excited like a moon, shot and everybody on board, with a public private partnership to pay near this technology with no idea? whether or not we are going to be the ones that find it, but we might as well try a moon shot which one of those or is it something else programme the closest

This is one of these scenarios that you described is definitely the third one right. You know there are a large number of different approach, is that are being tested around the world of nuclear fusion reactors, and it's very experimental at this stage: Generally speaking, we all know that is going to work. It's just a matter of figuring out which one or ones which approaches are going to really be the most effective in terms of, sing limitless clean energy technology. Historically, we just haven't had the material science we haven't the artificial intelligence, to manage these incredibly complex plasma reactions under immense heaps and immense pressure, but the whole

three has been advancing at an incredible pace over them: for years in particular, that were right on the cost that inflection point where we ve actually produced a net. Energy output reaction. We I a lot of fusion reactions for milliseconds in some cases a few seconds, but they haven't been that energy output required more energy to create maintain the action, the reaction in the energy that was actually produced from the future reaction. So let me show you the re read to you the exact report. The report offer some reason to be careful as two of the sources said: the greater than expected energy output of two point: five mega jewels of energy in the experiment using two point, one mega jewels of energy in the lasers dump the damage diagnostic equipment, so they could measure initial. diagnostic data suggest another successful experiment at the national ignition facility. However,

the exact yield- is still being determined, and we can confirm that it's over the threshold that analysis is in process of publishing the information before that process is complete. Be inaccurate. So weird exactly the same place we bend for awhile, we we don't know if we have it we haven't been able to measure these? Well, we made therapy is tomorrow, it sure sounds like they tat energy output reaction in its with its worth. Mentioning that You know lawrence livermore laboratory and has had successful fusion reactions in the past. They had a big breakthrough earlier this year and their approach is quite different. They use a bunch of lasers, a hundred ninety two to be exact, that they focus on some fuel to create that intense pressure and the intense heat that causes the hygiene.

To be combined into helium, which releases the energy we ve been able to demonstrate that before. So to me, it wouldn't be a surprise at all. If the news is confirmed, tomorrow or later this week that they in fact have had a net energy output so what kind of a net energy output do you need to be the miracle we're looking for. I mean the reality is anything greater. Then then one in other words more energy output, then the energy required to sustain their, The reaction is a win, but the reality is react. We don't have to sacrifice the technology. When implemented, when proven to be successful, Theoretical you'll be able to manage a nuclear fusion reaction and cream

Can units of energy for every one unit of input know what that means is basically almost bree limitless completely clean energy for the planet, its extraordinary So what kind of energy do you need to fuel it? Would we still have fossil fuels to fuel it? Or can you skim off the top? to refuel, been now. This is it. This is the great part. Did you know the inputs to these reactions once you obviously have built your fusion reactor are basically two different kinds of hydrogen wise deuterium when one is tried him. Otherwise, phone is some hydrogen too, and hydrogen three hydrogen to literally, can be derived from water tap water and hydrogen free is a by product of lithium but these are obviously widely it.

Elibank, that's the few and those the inputs to create this nonetheless, clean energy and perhaps and another way to look at it is that if we think about the individual consumer, these ten years of energy for an individual consumer, it only takes a few tablespoons of water. and the amount of lithium that is in your smartphone, while one person for ten years. That's how credible nuclear fusion is as a source of clean energy. Holy cow now they say that If this is true, it would still take us decades, but or we could open up a plant. Do you believe that to be true, no it can happen a lot faster than that, I'm I mean, I think, back to when you and I sat down your studio almost four years ago.

The date yeah, I think it was november, two thousand I d at that time. I predicted that we would see this moment within five years before pointy twenty war, and here we are and back then I remember the consensus in the industry. Was you know twenty thirty and beyond yeah toe? I know it's not gonna take ten years to come. so wise we're going to have compact nuclear fusion reactors? really within the next three years. we're going to see net energy output and then, from my perspective, it's just a matter of civilization. So's. I look into the second half of this decade. We should see at least one or two company producing those initial compact fusion reactors. The deep into commercial use for clean energy, like? What kind of compact? What do you? What are you Talking about for your house for your phone,

for ourselves. Why me You know in the industry, when we talk about a compact fusion reactor, can you imagine something roughly the size of a semi trailer, which is exciting, You can manufacture these things, put them on the back. so my trailer ship them out. whatever neighbourhood or subdivision or city method? fallen area and install these and basically connected to the electricity grid. Is this something that is ah affordable will it become affordable? I mean it sounds like the resources that you need are plentiful. Yes,

the engineering required is a while, but technically more advanced in terms of MR material science, especially with regard to making these men still required to contain the this incredibly hot pressurize plasma. That's really the hardest part, but If the costs are going to be a lot less than a large I'm a power production plant, I'm because a fusion is such an energy dense. I'm a way to produce electricity or, as opposed to you, know a natural gas plant or a coal plant. Something like that or for that matter, a nuclear fission plant Once you start the fusion, it doesn't stop right,

it just keeps finer than the sun, but this is the great part of this is in terms of operational costs. If your producing tenets of energy you can just take a portion of their energy and use it to the fuel to the nuclear issue, you react and it'll just go on forever as long as you needed to twenty four seven, that's the beauty of these fusion reactions- and there is no risk of down at all them, but you are basically take your finger off the body. Basically the plasma cools down peacefully and there action stops and just ass, producing energy. Well, jeff. We know that two big oil kept big battery being made. And so now? Why would big battery allow? fusion happen. What does mean for all.

Of the battery research and the cars were building now. Well that yeah the industry for petroleum and gasoline, of course, natural gas, this is the one it will be the most threatened coal as well from a breakthrough like this, when we have limitless was three clean energy low carbon emissions. Nobody act of waste. Why do we need those other sources of energy are and there's? Obviously, some very large vested interests. That would probably prefer to not see this happen, but the car industry- or you know this- is what makes from my perspective electric vehicles makes sense. You know historically in the us sixty.

percent of all. Workers in production comes from coal and natural gas. In fact, in the last two years are usage of coal is increased from about one percent to twenty five percent. Just in the last two years I know it's car intuitive so driving around an electric vehicle when it's fueled by electricity from fossil fuels. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. But if we have nuclear fusion, then electric vehicles make a ton of sense or because we don't have to burn fossil fuels or to create electricity to fuel that are so so I hate to be such a pessimist, but I just have seen too he things here. There is also vested interest right now, especially with e s g, to make sure that those profits happen that haven't been happening. and of causing all kinds of problems for these big hedge funds etc. The idea

that we are on a breakthrough: energy, would funnel a lot of money in to these kinds of new technologies, and help fund them. if they're real great if there are, In a green new deal, not so great, and so there is big business and big money and big government that would love to it coincidental or or or very, very convenient that this would be announced like this by the government which would play. into their hand. My being too pessimistic here now I dont think you are there's just tens of billions of dollars at stake here and obviously I mean, even if we look at the whole carbon credit and I agree that the net beneficiary of carbon credits, just then the financial serve.

this industry that makes money trading the things around or not being our environmental problems. haven't changed. How energy is used around the world there just financial instrument dry, and so this is real. This is true informational. In fact, I would argue that commercializing nuclear fusion technology is the single most important thing that we do a word by fire, our environment, almost every right. This should be it. This is more. If you have This is really all you have to do. You'll take all energy that is being manufactured and make it one hundred percent clean that that's all you have to do

That's like shutting the planet off which they said we had to do that's what this would be. That's right! That's right- and you know the the the craziest thing about all of this- is that, as we were so close to having this this breakthrough, Is that less than ten billion dollars less than ten? billion dollars over the last three decades has been invested by the, u S, government, and by the private sector and nuclear fusion technology projects and companies. Now that said this year, Twenty two was an absolute record year was the biggest problem funding year, this oil industry, then, primarily driven by a private industry, venture capitalists and so necessary. with a breakthrough year, and that's because people could see that work.

We're really on the cost of this breakthrough breakthroughs? I think I believe that at the government level, we're going to see a bear, very big shift in terms of levels of investment. This should be the equivalent of you know manhattan project during the apollo program in terms of The policy