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hello, America, it is frightening. You ve got upon cast to end the weak and the right way lot of fun. Today, plus we delve into some of the other things that are going on, for instance, Jeffrey Epstein. We have two journalists, the worst actually doing journalism and looking into what happened. Jeffrey Epstein. What's about to happen with the woman who was at his side the whole time issue even safe, also any radical story from Joe Connor. I read the story couple of days ago, town hall, DOT, com, it's something that happened to him and his family in nineteen. Seventy five. This is the problem with a racing history or not knowing how could something that happened in his family? A nineteen? Seventy five affect you today for waiting to hear this story, because it affects your life big time disturbing. All on today's pod cast Pat, you are a guy who really I mean you understand the english language, like very few people, do

I was hoping because I think he speaking English, I was hoping you could translate and tell me what Joe Biden was talking about or he's trying to say here live on ABC Harry? Listen! He knows, I believe, is every fibre might be we're post, repose what I propose is is it can be done We are in a position to really make it happen. My team in your team already working closely together like the path forward here levity critical laws like the pro active strands of collective bargaining, the poet of politics like prevailing, guess, I'm gonna take too much time to do. You know it now in the media, which had as its defence looking occasional what I don't know. I don't know what we are saying here: tat because

You know we missed the very first work. Can you play that again? We miss the very first word took as it was an interesting word: choice later on knows. I believe this. Every fibre might be we're post, reposed gap Lonnie knows, Lonnie knows that he believes there is a host of his being powers leading were pose were pose okay, so I think a man is ready to lead. I think he's ready, believe yes ready to leaders right to a nursing home. We're gonna, tell you something? How can I say something in it and it would be the fitting ending for twenty twenty one? Knit yes really well. Yeah yeah Armenia I ate. If the if this guy is elected, you're sure voting for his vice presidential choice for the top of the tick. Yes, just have to understand that if he is we're going to bed for Joe Biden,

not long into his first term. The vice president will be the president of the United States. Lonnie Nerli believe that bloody knows what Lotto knows where he paused, where pose he paused and his team and my team were working together while but look I didn't know that I know you look. I I've I've set too much. I It set a little of that. That was really love about defence Microgram was like whenever he stirred something a badly enough. He just says: he's been talking too long, as most people are able to continue to talk and get through all the send it right. The words in the right order, literally been talking for about ten seconds really haven't said at my shit. Ok now you could play one more time because I think it so deep what he said here Why do you knows? I believe us? Every fibre might be we're post reposed right what I propose It is time, We are in a position where it really can be done

my team in your t already working closely together to new life, to light up the path forward, maybe local laws, pro active strands of collective bargaining, politics and prevailing Lord failing Look. I guess I'm going to take up too much time. Look, I'm just getting senile. Look I've just getting senile in the end. I think we all know that. So I should stop talking. There is an interesting thing that goes on with Biden, where he's not completely gone because he's still able to carry out that he sounds like an idiot in the middle of it, but he still catching the writings oppose crap. What I propose and then you can it corrects himself. He still at the level we can recognise his moments of senility. That's not gonna lie forever, but what he proposed was we can do this, what

wait you're poplars when he proposed Georgia's look look, we can do this right right, look and we can do you get so far down the road and realizes there's no, it's dead at tried as no there's no one hour ago. So then he That's when he says look I've just I've been drive and too long. You know we're just gonna pull a car over here on holiday or I can honestly would you if this was your grandpa and he said: hey, kids, everybody pile into the car, I'm that I want to take us drive. Would anyone in your family, maybe say hey grandpa. How about if I drive. Ours is he still driving in your family nope? No, absent on driving. No, no! No! This is This is worrying,

crazy or I let me let me change subjects. The Supreme Court has ruled that Half of Oklahoma belongs to. The indian tribe, and so I mean it's like half of Tulsa. And in the wind and really what they did gorse. It was right in what he what he ruled Congress Never said the treaty is up, They never said that so, If they think the treaties up, then they're gonna have to act online, what John Roberts did with Obama care heed. Change the law because he knows the Supreme Court Justice can't chain. The law so Actually the one I think is wrong on this. One is John Roberts because he's again saying oh yeah, but This is what they really meant. No now that,

they d have to do it. If that's what they mean, why, having in on it,. Just Roberts, though there that was Clarence, Thomas and a leader- and I know I know I mean so Eric argument was more about how it was handled in the process and who should be responsible yet, but but but it does seem like the go as to move, as is typical. The reason this issue exists because Congress just wasn't clear, did their job play. The issue really for me is that they took the whole Cherokee nation and they they put a reservation, you don't took away our way of life, the tomahawk, the naive a year, re life. What are you they took away our native tongue and yeah very English to our young you're young, all the israeli. We really is we made by men rather where in Japan, or maybe even more nowadays, China, Indonesia, still yes, Omar and now gave ok, Korea, ok, ok, you know it's

trysting about the Cherokee nation. Is you know on the trail of tears, which I think I think Andrew Jackson was a monster. He was a monster. Is corrupt. He was a Democrat by the way. He was corrupt. He did not care, he was a racist. He put them on the tree ill of tears and take away their land and and broke all the treaties and everything else, and he did it for greed. Personal gain. Now that being said, I just would like to point out that the Cherokee nation on the trail of tears, the Did travel with their african american slaves. So. Let's just cheap that into perspective that perks put the Cherokee nation owned, more slaves than white people, dead, and

slavery wasn't a white thing because they were enslaving. Other tribes before we we got here and they didn't releases slaves until two years after America. Released hers butter, but listen about TAT Authority are really talking about. I don't even know what you're saying it back. Are you speaking English? I don't think I would someone the midway point that dumb get out of a radio hall of Fame. We can't get on how well do you know who did not going to wait, wait from an Mp Arcos. What wait wait? Wait don't tell me from India Ah, ah it or even named beyond that are going to adjust, show wait, wait don't you know it's just how important it s no radio hall of Fame are well on ever

I think you're right john- can dwell deserve go instead of. If you turn down loot, if you could now for the second straight year. I'm want to be pissed, I was pissed last. And are you yes I'll be doubly in so I know that means a lot to the radio Hall of Fame people, so just now wrath the guy who didn't get forerunner in the rock and roll all of fame I'll be common after you still working on it, though we're still in a half. Did you see in the amounts in the long standing local show category the market Brian are actually up this year to which would become calls? You know to go to a really good news, goes a great Bob Rivers, I mean there's some really big names in there. That could go, and I don't know if they only can only one get in in each category. Is that how it works or s,

That's how it works are gonna like guinea for your consideration, the Oscar thing you know so right and it's an honor just to be nominated, a lose as united. We say that after this year are just be dominated, they lay there won't be a after the sheer every look, I think no, I didn't- I haven't said that sincerely last year or can always about winning a guy. I definitely think I looked Gladys. Eta got quite a career even though obviously Pat and I've been really responsible for all the good thing about anymore. You come down to await, does Glenda, certainly in the hot sure, but would I rather have him have to suffer down till your five. Yes, on the last vote, you know I I saw TAT I was dominated yesterday and I and I looked it up and I guess I thought I'm Susan Lucy, I will be nominated eighteen times and I will never get into the hall of Fame, and you know they have a special rule. You can

we be nominated five times and then after that, they're like look this losers, not getting in so set up at technical K, just stop it but the audience can vote starting Monday is rife. I believe so yeah yeah. I believe it is Monday yeah You know where they gonna Beaufort Stephanie Miller. Just despite you or wait, wait don't tell me from NPR. Probably if lose to the NPR people? I think this audience. You know this I would like just to be funny. To be funny just to be funny you up to this either happening. So if I lose do NPR, it will be just for the laughs. I know I know this audience and I thank you for that. I really do and I'll be la fan, I'll be funny and PR don't don't. Or wait wait or stop stop or whatever that show. Is man, that's gonna, be it's gonna be good,

all right, thank you, Pat Pat Gray Unleashed is heard on the blaze radio network and You can hear it every day. Prior to this show or you can rabbit wherever you get your podcast at the best of the Glenn Beck Programme, and I think this is reasonable. He was charismatic. He had a lot of money, he had powerful friends, and so you could think that he was gonna get away with it. But I don't understand why these very famous influential people, if, if they knew why they would hang out with him or participate at all, just that, Chances are being blackmailed, would be off the charts,

but summed up that way and some didn't buy, but I think the shocking now the shining realisation that so many people didn't feel that way very prominent people, academics tears media and I think that's that's a surprising thing, Yeah, I think I had a Europe well. Character of the people that work right on the planned exactly to do yet to do so to continue to associate with him, especially after his first or asked, into Lauren yeah, yeah yeah. So a I had a. I had a very important person in the art world in York City tell me that You know when you look into some of the end of the art world in New York. It is human

asking it. I mean we made some incredible claims and, as I was looking into this, and I saw how he was so influential and the the people- the what's the guard school that he would support the the send that was in charge of that. That was the saying no, no, you could get more money over here, but you are going to sell your work this person and he's gonna help. Do you think they had any idea what was going on or they just see. This is money. Well, I don't know about specific incidents, but I will thank you. I will say that horrifying, because this We are the young argue that in our you're tryin it's extremely hard. Get in that industry professionally, and Have somebody who has the power over your career, putting that

and pressure on Yale, so yeah, it's it's an awful situation, and in that way and of what up scheme is able to do you tabled. I see these people, individuals who had let levers of power, and he was able to use that he was there extremely manipulative and dad that common people, so Daniel. You said earlier that now the federal government believes that Maxwell was, was his partner in crime. Was not believed for awhile and how much danger is she in now in prison. Well, I don't lose, I say wasn't believe in Damascus. She's been run, free, and you know I think, a lot of people. Imagine that you had she feared that the american government was coming after her

she would have left America. She has to other passports. In addition to an american passport, she hadn't, no offense to make twenty million dollars she. The means and the actors to go elsewhere and she did it. So I think that's a long time we have that she'd been. You're the guy. This is the best of Glinda Programme and don't forget raids on. I too, so we have steam in prison. Now, The he's finally been nailed, is there anything that shows why this happened this time? Why the government seem too, they could seriously and he couldn't get away with it? Any more

right and the biggest thing was Donald Trump gotta like it, and I know it seems totally disconnected but agile recall he is Labour secretary was Alex Acosta, an outer costume was the prosecutor in water came under, this, isn't for going soft on Jeffrey Epstein, the first time so when a weird way, I think at least that the connection between Donald Trump getting over, I mean we're where they like it. Hillary Clinton gets lighted. The Jap reacting story goes away. In a weird way, the media trying to go after Donald Trump that you know the one about the CASA and therefore reignited this firestorm around Epstein, so loser we're confluence of events. That, in my mind, leads to Jeffrey, acting being locked up. Ok, so now is locked up and You guys really went in and you talk to everybody did you. Do you have an opinion? I know you're both journalist, so you probably won't give it, but do you

an opinion on whether or not this was a suicide, or, this did suicide- Will we then, based on hurried, talk to the investigation? It's really hard to dismiss foul play and We think that there are legitimate questions about the story that we ve been told by the government. I find it very well We tell them to programming life support in the present. Who said this doesn't make sense, and it would be extremely difficult for him to kill himself that way without any sort of outside help. So Give me the will give me the outline of the case that he couldn't. I've done it himself. Let let's start with the cameras. Cameras went out anything suspicious there and the their cameras that were around their showed that there was no,

you coming in yes, so that the fact that the cameras weren't working through talking to people who have worked in that facility m c c, which is the failure to where he died basis, for such a high profile prisoner. You would have those cameras, note immediately, but they were not working and they would be fixed within five minutes, because this was aren't. You know this is not just some run of the mill. A prisoner was Jeffrey Epstein? He was certainly the most high profile person. Who is that that institution at the time and he Had allegedly already attempted suicide before that you noticed a month before, so what so with. Yet it is these that it's it's really hard to believe that the cameras wouldn't wouldn't have been noticed within minutes and back

and the fact that this is multiple cameras. We're talking about here is stuffily it they cried red flag. So the sell me that he had was transferred out and never replace. How odd was that play an that also was very strange, big heads, typically with a girl Adam. He feels when they, when they transfer one person out of a foul they they move the other person and, at the same time, as this easier that way, you know you, you say I'll, write you you're out your ran, Jake. Now, you're doing it all. At the same time, I'm Jeffrey asking was also under even by his medical doctors. They had advised that he should have always had a stalemate because of the first alleged suicide attempts which I just want to add. Also Jeffrey Epstein denied that he had tried to commit suicide.

The first time and he told his lawyers a different story that he was supposed to be at all times in a cell with a cellmate and that sell me was transferred out of the deep fryer the day prior to his death and was not replaced ok, so intimate Daniel. Tell me about the doctors. He said the doktor said that he was suicidal, try to kill himself, but he, said to his lawyers, there wasn't true, which one do you believe in and why is there this disparity? I guess you know me she can see them will never know, but I think Jeffrey I've seen that is a reasonably that he was lighted. His lawyers

also even he let his lawyers who believed that it was some sort of joke gone awry. Maybe he was you know if you want to believe it made me want to look, maybe he was lying so that he could commit suicide later if you want to, but I dont think the dock. This will ensure line. I think they re just taken. One on the same page and people can have their disagreement about the various factors in these kinds of scenarios, and I think I think another aspect of this of the physical evidence and we talk to a doctor Michael back, bought and independent pathologist too. Who oversaw the autopsy. He said that the physical evidence suggests that it was a homicide and more consistent with homicide and suicide. The waiter than neck is broken and the various physical evidences is compelling according to him,

and saw the author don't put about until you're very well respected, frantic pathologist, he retired, by asking brother after his death q olbers ear. Autopsy Capps II, independent monitor than men on the government's autopsy and tighter button. Then, on a panel since the ninety seven view that looks at every single death- in the New York State prison system. This was a panel that was started by a governor Rockefeller and though he has looked at you know just ever every suicide and that has taken place in the prison system, and he said it and not once prior did. He have a case where you saw the same bonebreaker edge

as he do with Epstein you. Then there were three. There were three separate bone that were broken in his neck and that you just can't recall any suicide word were that happened. So I think that is pretty compelling here. He found that this was much more consistent with a homicide So who could have pulled this off? I mean you know if you If you're in a conspiracy theories on the right you you ve, met somebody who has said all the Clinton's, they kill everybody, they ve like five hundred and seventy people so far? But you know, I don't believe that Hitler, you Hilary, was dawning a mask at night and I'm not sure that they have that kind of control. Who would have the access and the ability to pull this off besides and intelligence community. Well, when we talked in asking where at David shine

Who is a one time defends attorney sport with homework for years. In cases like this and had his clients die in prison, he he said that he thinks somebody killed Epstein. He doesn't think that it was. The Clintons is that I don't think the quantities that I just think it was a regular somebody killed them. So his his idea is that may have been another inmate, you no doctor, Michael Body of water, through. Scenario as well in the book. I'm an addition to people who had worked m c c, who we spoke to, who said the way it could have happened is if one of the other cells, and you know his area was left open don't you an upstream, solid left that unlocked and the guards just

turned a blind eye. I think it's interesting to note, too that after at Vienna was found dad. You know more than six thirty a m. One morning the other pretty nerves were all hold out of their cells and transferred to a different location and the what we don't not worthy of people ever interviewed like were they you know with what did they witness I do think it's interesting. That's our immediately transferred. Well I mean, if I were going to if I had the power The way I would do it is. I would go to a prisoner there and say: listen. Would be a shame if this ever happened in you found your sell on locked in his cell was unlocked, and who knows what could happen? Maybe I can help you out down the road. I mean that that's, how are you

Suggesting that this was just summit, in the block it was like. I want to kill somebody, oh here, stories unlocked. Or do you believe that there was some sort of eight of a prompting from somebody I'm gonna happen and either there you go, you got, I mean, I think it is obvious, the godfather, but yeah. I think you can. You can always gonna get to somebody and pray if you want to go out, and so yeah. I think that are neither one in that case, so somebody and Gawayne is back the thunder so he's what he's really got a target on it back really the right, a high profile prisoner? ok, so glean is also appear in court today. Do you

leave bar when he says she is going to be the most guarded person in prison history that nothing's going to happen to her. And will she speak out to save yourself? it would have skeptical of bill bar. During that, after Jeffrey I've seen it died, he announced the big investigation that we get to the bottom of this endeavour. Then it's been total silence, Of course it's not a low Jeffrey Epstein, wasn't a high profile and make its course was, and of course you, ok, must be taking precautions, and so I think you do have to be sceptical as far as Maxwell point of Loki Space in thirty five years in prison cheap nearly sixty years old. It would be effectively a life sentence and assuming get the trial and assuming or your horse assuming she's alive. You They then she would be willing to play ball with prosecutors and try to work some sort deal. So that she wouldn't be facing life and present? Now I don't

how much is going to give but I'd! Imagine you know. Prison is not something that she's gonna like a thought, DNA, it's an than anybody else's, but she's. I think she can keep its part very possible that she talks. If given the chance is this a story that either of you have confidence? We are going to know in our lifetime what happened oh you mean what happened with the things or happened here and what LEO the entire operation, whether he was you know we're for the government in some capacity or if he was, you know, killed in prison. Are we gonna know what happened You know. I hope I am hopeful about among themselves,

You saw, but on Twitter a couple days ago, the former ceo of Red, it said something like what we suddenly Maxwell at these parties, years ago, and we all knew that she was procuring young women and she'd course came under attack, and people say when you knew about it. Why did you do anything in an area which is, of course reasonable thing to ask somebody who said that, but Her reaction, of course, was to go silent into the high her twitter counting, and things like that. So I think there's no sensitive if you're involved are you had any knowledge to speak out about this? It just is just right. The towards you, so that the I think I think the struggle against with them are finding the truth is that people don't have incentives. You call up the wretched famous who were close to him. Bill Clinton has never given interview about Jeffrey Epstein gate. They just released the payment that wash their hands than they stepped back,

they're, not right breast, to give answers about what they knew when they knew what they did about it. A lot of a lotta Goodman and Daniel helper. They are Co. Authors of the book convenient death. This is a fascinating story and we're just at the beginning of it? you guys so much for being on and sharing your information appreciated. Again, convenient death, the mysterious demise of Jeffrey, Epstein available wherever you by your book,