Hey big Programme for you today. We we go from loud and county all the way to the skies with William Shatner and the Southwest Airline Pilot Association. President Captain Casey Murray. He was a little confusing and at times they are against the vaccine mandate, but southwest just world answer any questions about that mandate, and- and that's that's all- I want just give us some answers- we gonna get fired. If we don't take the vaccine, if we take it and we get sick because of it, are you paying for it? So it's an interesting a really interesting conversation. Also, a kind of a lead in tonight's television show at nine p m. Are we ready for a national divorce? That was our number two of this podcast end tonight. We really look into it at nine p m. Only on plays tv right after Brad

you anything team, Daniel World, which is here he's from the podcast conservative review, which you should listen to. And subscribe and rate with five stars. think, as the appropriate five stars is the appropriate number stars? Ok, aright Daniel Welcome one to be with. You now take five stars any day it anyway, so Daniel Do we need a national divorce? What would that look like order? just need. braver Americans do we need braver? constitutional Americans wool Glenn. Think about this. How You bring the divide between people who

being a man. Is a woman, a woman, the man, a criminal, the Victor victims of criminal, if you don't wear a mask your murderer, but I'll, let murderers out of prison at the theme I'm using that very viruses the pretext on the Euro have the right to have free, unrestricted movement unless you do, as we say with your body. But if you crash our border man, you go to all corners of the country. anytime. You want. These are not light in transit causes. This is not a matter one issue. Frankly, King George never did this King George never demanded. we cover a mouth king. We didn't have the men in female bathroom. I mean those The issues are really very economical with over over taxes, We have never had this ever before. I'm used to be politics with temper Jennifer of and life. Ninety do we all have to eat, we all have the drink. We gonna do same thing. We like the same sports teams and we can leave too their harmonious harmoniously, now everything is political to the point.

Are we literally your life even before liberty? So we now, the scenario where they could force you to take it, our mental therapies that new showed that they had a lot of problem- but you don't even have the right to try a Nobel Peace Prize winning drug. This is how divided it is. So what I would argue, is We already have a national divorce, accept its one sided. So, for example, you have me define what it looks like and I'll be fine what it looks like literally a divorce, which does that mean- and you part with you, have certain amicable agreement when it comes to custody of the kids in turn. It's in the wall of the military, well, those with security will be perfectly to different countries. But what I think we need To do is make the red state that we allegedly already supposedly, should have

rollover exactly like the blues data and when Trump was president, they didn't tolerate anything, even something like migration, which is very much within the purview of the federal government, the heart bird illegal aliens sex offender than they actually in New York, criminalize boot enforcement and in a quarter nation and transmitting any information to federal immigration agents. so my point is there. No, we then we can go in the red States where we have forty on five to one majority. This done, then, in a legislative body and say this is immoral, illogical, illegal unconstitutional! It is not happening here and frankly, if we ever get the presidency back. That is what the blue states have already done and will do anyway Yeah I mean this. Is it goes back down to state power? I don't care what you do in California, but you're not going to charge me for it. baling you out, I'm not living there

that's what you want to do, then that's fine, but don't bring it to my state, and I dont know why we are not defending the constitution- were arguing about all he's crazy things better than that They have nothing to do with the institution in many ways are in violation of the constitution. We should a comedy. Oh I'd like to know really honestly. I I really think we should begin conversations with people. like this You talk to me about the bill of rights. Is there anything in the bill of rights? You disagree with if they say yeah, I disagree with a lot of them. You know you're dealing with they say no, not really. Maybe the second amendment ok are well. We can talk about the second amendment later. Let's start talking politics now and then in the end the policies as soon as they start talking about the policies. You say, I thought you weren't you since the bill of rights

I haven't moved, they have, they no longer believe in the bill of rights, and you can't come together if you do believe in the most important foundational document in our country. really the most important rights, as defined by Blackstone, to walk local motion status quo without government. Acting against your body affirmatively in any way, and in the left off championed bodily autonomy in the court's really for a hundred. Almost a hundred years on that you have the right to kill a baby, you have the right to a positive benefit. Add to get access to this data. the vision as if it's suicide all these cases we had and now suddenly you can't even have Don T, be brow, hey, look! you got your vaccine got your. May. I ask you to do what you want. Just don't force me to do it now.

The eighth is, you believe, plaintive in South Carolina. Now we not defending your right to breathe in school, but actually defending your alleged right to forestall thereby not debris in that's the point. We don't shoved things on We're not demanding. I won't take you know. If now are you the vitamin d in an ivory, Makin prophylactically, which actually would probably stop spread even more hate. Look we want to do it just allow us to do it, don't stop us from doing it. You could do it, but they They won't allow it to re. Now we don't have a national divorce, it's more like an abusive husband who is vital. The US all that that back compact and we do tat back. You ate ourselves from it Didn't marathon design has given us that that design I want to hear about. Oh will win back Congress or something with a narrow, Rhino Majority Republic. And have ninety days were we not now We have the trifecta, but they had it with super majorities.

But here we have want to give an example there. The fifteen year old girl were all talking about in Wyoming cause pain, COS, for not wearing a mask now Glen. All I'm asking is that They d like Wyoming, where there is a twenty eight to to do your p majority. the Senate, to Democrats there that we kid Bye, bye and live by the same degree of poetry, institutional Liberty that we had on February. Twenty twenty. Is that too much to ask, We don't really have that. The red faith are a little better I know I used. So why is that why is that? Why is it that why arming of all places doesn't stand up? Well, you know let me give an example- we just deal with an in Arkansas, similar dynamic. We couldn't even get a compromise Neil immediately path to allow an opt out for weekly pcr testing. That was New York's.

line in the sand a month ago that we can't even hold the line at New York with pushing a month ago or two months ago, and that because you look Multi, like Arkansas, overwhelmingly. People voted for tromp, but at the end, The day it's not republican and democratic. Normative liberal right and left its one oligarchy that corporate government may not Lee and you got type- is you got GB hunting Walmart there and they what they want in the governors bought out by then. So you got all these reports. again they get money from big pharma from the Chamber of Commerce. Bilbil blouse very oddly on life and gun them pro. Why you from pro gone you in a very broad way, but when it comes to the issues that matter most to our lives when they matter at the time they matter look carefully and you'll. He both parties are awfully close to each other. You

stay view used, light and transient causes earlier these. This second line in this in Paragraph four, the declaration of independence after the life liberty, pursuit of happiness says that too sick. who these rights governments are instituted among men, deriving they're, just powers from the consent of the governed. That's no longer happening that when any form of government becomes destructive of these ends. It is the right of the people to alter or abolish an institute. A new government lay its foundations on such principles in organizing its powers in such a form to them, shall see most likely to affect their safety and happiness. prudence indeed, will dictate. The government's long established should not be changed for light and transient causes Accordingly, all Sperience has shown that man, who kind or more disposed to suffer while evils are suffering. Then too

themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are a custom, so it says here. It explains human nature that Most of us are silent because it still o k, and I think that changes once the economy really is hit. I think once people start to realize wait a minute. I I I'm losing my job. I my money is worthless and I it's probably too late by that point. Well, anyway, who why John Adams always said. You have to admit this shoots of arbitrary power in the Bud INA. They got a better rap at the time. The patriots, because they really wasn't that bad, you know tat tiny. tax there what's the big deal, but they understood that if you wait, today. The big deal it's too late and- and I think. the problem- I never forget a couple years ago, actually right before Kobe, our mutual colleagues debates and I did it showed together and we talk

retiring. I said: look, I'm all right happy or when I just tune it out, go on vacation, and it doesn't bother me, but that would be for March twenty twenty now. you you can't run away from it. They control every aspect of our lives and in an hour or health or are what we do with our body. It's terrible. The EU them getting from show is north that they can get proper treatment people it got back. They didn't get very thick and we have to find all sorts of ways to get in treatment in a first world country like America. This is something that I think We can't leave through an incline if it were just going to relegate those of the declaration to to some sort of me the in some mosaic of history, then they're, just oh they're, meaningless and we're not asking for a civil war. We want to avoid that and I think a lot of people forget the the Revolutionary war, with catalyzed really by the body closest to the people. It was the state legislature in that form.

Committees of correspondence? I think we need to make state legislatures great again and that will Great Bates right again and in a have read, aid that will behave the same way. The blue states behave and will have a degree. They'll sorting and that will Healthier for everyone here will we thank you so much preceded- God- bless It's important elicited annual horwitz he's, really really smart and and really buttoned up on these issues place cast conservative review, get it where we get your podcast. This is the best of the Glen Back Programme to the Olympic programme. Coming up in just a few minutes. We have the pilots union leader from

out West Airlines ease and be joining the studio here and about twenty five minutes. Let me play cut six for you. This is Nannie policy lecturing report there yesterday only ten percent of Americans described himself is knowing how long conciliation the majority don't know anything at all. Do you think you need to do a better job messaging and going forward? How do you sell this? Ultimately, you think you could do a better job of sound. To be very frank with you, because every time I come here, I go to list family medical, each time the issues that are in there- and it is true it is hard to break through when you have such a complex, the package

so difficult to break through when you control the entire government and all the media. I know so hard to get your messages. I I really is okay, so let me just let me go through a few things these are not failures. these are intended and they are, intended. Bring you too a reset. The great reset remember When do you reset things went go downstairs into the scary basement to look at the fuse Box when everything is fine? No way it's been a disruption in power right something is blown in the house. When do you play the reset button on your computer when everything is fine or the little glitch ie or you just like? I said I know one area and you just he'd going until it completely freezes up, and you have no other option but to reset so the thing

Is that this government quote is failing in our not failings, they are to lead you to the great reset. Let's go through some of em supply chain. One more example of Biden. Failing at basic governing this is from bright. That's the headline: it's not a failure of him governing this is intentional south, as pilots worn fatigue, frustration could fuel further outages? Well, We hear from the pilots union here in just a few minutes, but does anybody actually believe that, the mandate plays no role in that. CNN says: Americans won't be able to go back to shopping, likened the before times. Oh, ok, the? U S. Health care force is short half a million workers now a main hospital just closed the its nick you because of

mapping shortages due to vaccine mandate. Do you see what all having common? So far? U S, cities are having to boost bus budgets for cops after to fund the police initiatives result in more crime. Walgreens closes five more San Francisco locations due to theft. This is happening. Big cities, where the If said, we're, not gonna. skewed. Anybody for shoplifting your shot. lifting under a thousand dollars, so people are just going in and they're just why. Being these stores clean, because We can't do anything about it. Chicago suffering from officer shortage. They can. find the recruits. believe they need. What is it a hundred in. there's, eight hundred and seventy seven vacancies think they need about. Sixteen hundred,

officers and they can't figure out why officers don't wanna working in Chicago. Over the weekend, try this one on precise, California, moved one step closer to ending reliance on fossil fuels. they did? Is they banned? All all off road gasoline engines, so you know if you have a leaf blower If you're lawn service is cutting, the law on using a lawnmower can't be gasoline, has to be electric this bankrupt, so many small businesses. Fifty thousand businesses are going to be affected by this and its only of time before every one has to do this. Saki said yesterday, and I quote: president wants to use the pandemic to make fundamental changes in our economy. Is that what you voted for?

did you vote for fundamental change in our economy. he feels coming out of the pandemic. It is exactly the time too A fundamental change in our economy. that's not what I voted for. You wanted What's in that package or- all kinds of stuff that goes against the constitution, JANET Yellin, said the Six hundred dollar I asked IRS reporting requirement is necessary because there's a lot of tax fraud and cheating that's going on really. Is there You know how much it costs to fill my truck now. The gas station a hundred dollars. Hundred dollars to fill my truck I can do that easily easily in a month six times.

If I'm driving the truck alot it Lee four. so I pay my I pay my gas card, its Six hundred dollar transaction. The federal government. The IRS needs that that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen, so you you're going after you know that stop as worker the teacher. The people who are the heroes in our society you're going after the people that have fifty to sixty thousand dollars, How much are you spending on food every month? Piano large family can use. And six hundred dollars at the grocery store wow. So now you need to be spied upon by the IRS, because your transactions. Arson

specious. We cannot allow these things to happen. This infrastructure bill cannot pass because is infrastructure, it is infrastructure so when they power everything down, because everything is gridlock. And you were out in the streets going, there's no food that I can afford at the grocery store my shelves are empty. The ports are backed up. they're, not working, I can't higher anybody to do job. There's crime all over the city. My mice, oh board is, pleadingly out of control and the FBI is now interviewing all the parents that were there, the school board meeting. I can't for gas anymore. I can't

for a new car they're, not even making the new cars anymore my oil or my gas build a he'd, my house is too, at times what it was before the election, it's already double what it was. we're, not even in the winter. Yet when all of that happens, the court system doesn't work when the police can't work. When crime is out of control. When you can't afford your your your groceries when you can't afford your house, when the banks just making all kinds of money. When all of these things are happening. this is not a feeling of the progressives there. Is by design, for the great reset is why we have to

That is why we have to speak out. This is why the tonight, Tv show is. So important, because the answer really is local. Local, local. When the FBI said that they were going to look into it, do you know why they did that right. They did to scare you off well Loudon County wasn't scared off last night they had a huge, School Board meeting, They were even more vocal than they have been. We to be at our school board meetings. Even if you live in a good town where your school board is on your side. You need to be there because the School Board Association is watching. And we must send them a message. You don't scare me.

These are my children, these people will do anything anything to win. they don't play by the rules. the only thing that frightens them. Is you waking up and standing up red, Iraq Obama's book? You know Jonah Goldberg treated me. the day- and he said when I said I think they have just started another tea party- and he said oh, like first one was so effective. Did you read Barack Obama's book. It was a call two Barack Obama: it was it slowed him down

There are still lessons to learn, love. How? If we're gonna, do something else like that? It needs to be done in and hopefully have longer legs than this one. We complained about that separate and it had. We are smarter. We know that it's going to be taken over by by hook or by crook in the Republican Party and have to have certain principles. It's really easy now to align on principles. It's very easy It's very easy. Do you believe the the school board you should be allowed to go in and question the school board peacefully. First amendment: Do you believe that everybody has a right to speak their mind out in open and disagree with with. we have found she or anybody else. First, amendment you believe that people who Agree with us have a right, who publish and to be seen and be heard or should they be cancelled for amendment.

Do you believe I have a right to protect myself, especially when the government is firing. the cops and they They are saying places like Austin, Texas, Unless somebody has you, you know in a chokehold with a gun. Don't call us we can't come somebody's. Making and your house oh well. We can't help you damn right. I have a right to own a gun, damn right. Do you believe that leave the IRS should be into my bank watching every transaction of six hundred dollars or more no The violation of the fourth amendment ev, The thing is about the bill of rights, we need to start asking people to believe in the bill of rights. Let's go through do believe. Bill of rights. If you do I'm with you, if you don't, I can't talk to your concern. The It is too far. You have moved. I haven't. You have sorry bill of They are universal, they are.

The thing that we all agreed on. If you can't agree with me on the bill of rights than I'm, not the enemy of Amerika, no matter, What you say, I'm not the terrorist you are, you are you're the revolution and the best of the gun that programme the first round of life Ancillae Science on Saturday at South West Airlines came the day after the Southwest Airline Pilot Association filed a request in federal court to block a code. Nineteen vaccine mandate, so you know and we'll get this information here in a second doesn't appear that the union is against the mandate. They just want it to happen after they ve negotiated their contract

yesterday, the CEO, Gary Kelly, told and CNBC I've never been in favour of corporate in favour of corporations imposing that kind of a mandate. However, there can be lying with buttons vaccine mandate, even though there isn't one yet the active here, obviously, is to improve health and safety and not for people to lose their jobs twenty two hundred flights were cancelled over the weekend and to talk to us about this captain. Casey Murray, Who is the head of the pilots Association, the pilot union? How are you, sir, I'm andred? Well, thanks round me thank you for coming in appreciated I was shocked when you guy said yes to our invitation. Well out there. You know we're trying to get the word out, trying to clear up some misconceptions and an empty of our pilot. So I want to speak for the ok. So tell me what is happening what's happening. Well,

since you brought up the the We failed. We found that on Friday we also have a status quo lost that we ve been forced to file. We amended that sort of add on this ass does well to show continuing status quo violations. While we are negotiating contract, what does it mean status quo wildlife? Well, the hour railway labour act that we work under an and are contracted under review, there's a company, while renegotiations can't make unilateral changes While we are negotiating? Ok, and we ve seen numerous- numerous instances we ve tried work with them, it is kind of the hallmark of what swap on Wes do, but we ve seen that kind of fail. The past year or so because of covert you're, they are just sale changing some really important things that you don't you haven't ever negotiated and Reading this right,

You're, saying: hey, look. We we ve done a lot here. Enough is enough correct. And in an always been asking for- and this is specifically what the tiara Was- is about is hey. We need to sit down and have discussions around this, our peers, Delta American United FED. you PS, they all- have had agreements in place for six and one at times ten months, that addressed a lot of our concerns so and your concerns are wealth pilots One of the main concerns is pilots required to carry a medical certificate. Every six months we go in have a full battery of tests and and and every six months I mean there is a risk that you could lose your career, so our pilots licences. We also have a medical certificate, so out of our pilots and our peers, pilots, one oh

want to know, and I have answered how's. The company gonna handle any sort of either long term issues that come. the vaccines, because that is yet to be determined and then negative negative and then even shorter term. What's gonna happen win, if I have a reaction and have to call in sick, is that coming out of my sick bank and end so now, it's being required, mandated and and we need. These questions answered in our peers have done it and we see vaccination rates from ninety percent and higher and then you look at United ninety nine point: nine percent of their pilots are vaccinated. We don't know, in the company hasn't shared with us. What our vaccination radius it is, much lower than that, and I would I would venture to say, probably half that

and a lot of it has to do with our pilots unit trepidation, with not having a lot of these questions answered in the NFL. All we're trying to do is get them to the table. I mean APL? American? Their pilot union has over eleven different. M use a memorandum of understanding addressing these things, and we see what it do, what it does to the vaccination rates. So when I see pictures of pilots cause they're going, there's lots do we have any of them here? here's one! I dont tread on me, flag hanging out of the window of southwest jet out of the pilots window show. Do you have the ok, There's there's all kinds of pictures of of south Wes pilots out on line as well, and That seems to be anti vaccine. Yes, do you have any idea how many of your pilots are?

probably end up getting fired I would say that entails a lot of these questions answered We really dont know it's kind of Who fold sort of issue there are those that feed very strongly that the government mandate crosses steps on the constitution and and- and I respect that There's a lot of a very personal decisions, but the flip side is they are So don't want to go into. being mandated for a vaccine where their questions as to where their career and and where, their family stand and in their families, wellbeing moving forward. They have, We ought to make decisions using some concrete data and and we're still waiting on that from our company, and by that I mean having some of these questions answered, so

What is your just no, I don't think I heard that yesterday from the CEO deduce. Still, I don't think I heard him address these concerns. It's very clear, just and brought this up twice already. It's look at our peers. Look at appears. Vaccination rates are look at what they have. Done proactively. To address this. We have done nothing southwest. We have tried first six months to force them to sit down and have discussions about this. We even went so far as forced in a letter of agreement during negotiations across the table because they weren't interested in having the discussions they have it's in their hands. We still have not set down. And had real discussions. did have a meeting on Monday. That was, I would say forced by the tiara, even though it hasn't been ruled on yet, but I mean I think Southwest felt. Okay, we have to do something and

he presented them with dozens of questions in and were still waiting answers, we're we can a half past passed when when the federal, contractor mandate came out and and why rapidly approaching a deadline, so still, it's still just a vocal there is no written policy, its not law, it's amity will always all absolutely so, but when you're company tells you you will or you will be terminated correct. There is a a conscious feeling of a threat, so many people, don't have a union and a lot of a lot of people- I am, I'm glad I'm not in a union. I think unions are really important when companies get out of control and in the same way, I think when unions get out of control there, just as bad as the outer control company, but

this I'm I mean I'm wondering if a union, if you're working as a pilot- and you don't want the vaccine And you're gonna get fired for it. Are you gonna defend those guys? Absolutely Absolutely would we We have to an end, we will. We will defend them if that's what it comes to, but it is our job in representing them to provide them with as much information and force the company to come in. yet these questions answered so With that mean, if you, after you, get the questions and because you guys aren't, are Is the union against the mandate, we are against the mandate, we are against it you're, not even with more information. Again, we are against the mandate it our The thing is, it is a pilot choice. It is a pilots, family choice. It is a very personal decision that has to be made, and so

We believe that, but that by providing these answers and the cup providing these answers. I mean there are so many things even outside of the of the medical I mean we still haven't had questions is too making the decisions on these, on these exemptions. So medical religious, we don't have answers to that house how's. The information gonna be protected, hip environment at? Thirdly, we haven't had answers to those Is there an alternative means of compliance the original mandate that that that Biden put even before this contractor issue There was an alternative means of compliance housing. that the other? Yes, yes, yes, totally, testing. Yes, how? Is that what natural immunity a whit we have. We, it's right now that have covered those pilots now say recover this week. They they still can't

the shot for ninety days less outside the window. How is that going to be handled so many questions that we don't have answers to and are, pilots have answers to, and our pilots can't make decisions are pilot use data. Are pilots, look at look at all the available information and and make the decision and again I point back to our peers- are peers, address this proactively and look at where there at sea What is what is governor rabbits ruling or his executive order here in Texas, where no company has to follow that. Well, That's part of the issue as well, for us not having the ability to sit down and have these discussions with our company would. Our legal team is, is looking at that and then, in the midst of of looking and seeing how that is going to affect our pilots Gary, really comes out yesterday and says that he's not gonna abide by that. Girl, bye, bye, bye binding mandate.

Doesn't exist, but the guy, Well, there's does yes, yes They did send something over to OSHA supposedly over the past twenty four hours or so, but it certainly nothing's official. Yet it does MIKE it's something to integrate these companies to just go along with. It for those even a rule written down. Yes, there's a lot of I think there's a lot of people that, our hope in somebody takes a stand because the little guy is taking a stand. Getting squashed The government is just telling them what they can and cannot do, and they are, I mean, I think there is a lot of hope. At least there was with me when I saw you guys, you know, have your difficulties this weekend I was hoping that it was the pilots stepping out in saying no we're not gonna. Do it were reasonable people. You know As you said, many have already had covered I've had covered. I had a bad bout of covered, I believe

in my antibodies. I dont know why this is the exception to something that we know about the human body and I have no problem with the vaccine, but I know don't really give a flying crap with the federal government says this is unconstitutional and there I think, there's a lot of people hoping that you were me were. The stand for that, or at least a few pilots were sailing for then- and I was very clear- I think earlier would answer that question. We are against the mandate that we entire vaccine, but but our pie its are in a unique position, unlike threat the population. We have to maintain a medical and there's a lot of unanswered questions. and a lot of those questions can and a lot of those fears can be allayed, bye, bye, powers, our insurance going to be handled in it. We carry a loss of licence insurance as well as an l, tv and std. So long long term, disability in short term disability? We all

who carry Lhasa licence specifically for our medical. So if we lose our medical, We have some at least come insurance when we can no longer fly where, with the President of Southwest Airlines, pilots Association, his name is Captain Casey Murray and we're talking about the Southwest airlines, vaccine mandates and the trouble that they had over the weekend. So you mention the Medical certification, unity have every six months? Yes, so their requiring Munich upkeep some level. But what does it mean exactly without its a requirement so We have certain classes of miracles. Our pilots have to maintain a first or second class, whether your captain, first officer and, and so it some. You know any type of hard issue. Any type of high blood pressure depression died. It is, I mean any of those things can can, can kill your career and

so would they argue, though, that you, every six months you have to do this anyway? Why a covert nineteen or in the middle of a pandemic? Why wouldn't you have to maintain? vaccination status? Well, I think that that, because of some of the unknowns with long term issues with the virus, we have also seen some shorter terms. My a cart, Mayo, Curtis Assurance with MAX N n n. It's it's a low number, but but that can be it qualifying event for a pilot, and so so back to how our our loss licence plan as company administered. So the company has to answer those questions so you and you are you're, saying that what what action happen with the cancellations. What's the story behind that cause, I've heard I've heard you know that were Glenn was saying. We know that there is some sort of sick out situation. You guys are saying: that's not your. What actually happened well

to be clear, so I am glad you brought it up. So it's now Wednesday, so we ve kind of look back over the weekend to see exactly what occurred and looking at our Let's performance, I am very proud of them- are pilot sick rates for right, in line with where they were this summer, during the same sort of long term, melt down South West had looking at pilots the most productive in the industry That means they do a lot of work on their off time. It's what southwest relies on its. What makes I mean different southwest does more with less what caused so our is so looking at our pilot pick up rates that their working on off days, those things those or as high as we ve, seen him. So so those two together. but of address where our pilots, where there was no job action? There is stress in this this mandate and show them what caused this? Well, a completely different environment, meaning me

operate in a completely different environment, meaning meaning our network are network is completely different than everyone else's its complex delta shuts down a push of aeroplanes, meaning all the ones coming in or out, and I work, is completely different than everyone else's its complex point to point aeroplanes are at all of our out stations, it's down a push of aeroplanes, meaning all the ones coming in or out an end when the thunder storm has pushed through their right back on, they might have come flights, but they're right back on, Rio. Planes are at all of our out stations, and so when, when someone get sick when an airplane breaks, when there's whether then There is a domino effect that is, that is more difficult. It South West two to recover from