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2020-02-19 | 🔗
The coronavirus continues to spread, and head researcher Jason Buttrill previews how the facts we’ve found for tonight’s special point to who the real killer is. Apple is already taking massive hits as China shuts down facilities, and China’s quarantining has gotten so bad that drones follow people who leave their houses! And the liberal knitter behind an eye-opening Medium article, Dr. Karlyn Borysenko, joins to discuss attending a Trump rally, where she stands now, and whether she thinks any Democrats are still worth voting for.

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America. Sorry, today's the day, the big guy coronavirus show and that's that's on tonight, at nine p dot m. You have to be listening this on Wednesday, nine p dot m eastern time. Do you watch it on blaze or or can watch, live Youtube and use some research with us. You actually got a virus, was pretty well. You know what I'm gonna take a quick crews in Japan. And to Cambodia to Cambodia? There's nothing like a body of this time here is only when we talk about it in the pot casts some things you don't know and some real concerns that have nothing to do with health, although the health things really scary, also bird versus Sanders, the actual numbers of what's happening in the economy. We have a woman who wrote it read article four or media dot,
where, where she went to a Trump rally Shiva seventy six months ago, who said all people who voted for tromp or racist or or a deplorable see, I think one of the weird. Experiences of her life was being on type programme. She considered herself of liberal. She went to a Trump rally, wait until you hear that and my favorite segment of the day What the hell is, this story all about all entities and remember tonight, Stu does America mergers Subscribe, Brayton Review police on Youtube in August we have we go into the pardon situation with the withheld from should we actually have pardoned power for president. That's one part: and the other thing is. We have all read up on whose immediately this will all star San Francisco giant World Series champion who is not being allowed? attended the reunion, because you like stuff from too much will get into that Stu does America students Mercosur come to subscribe.
The only thing tat, the old man. I've got some great stories on Bluebird. We have to get to this guy he's kind of music he's a never ending a wealth of just raising stories, Sean Research dream he is. He is, I believe, if the left was like can be Donald Trump at being a scumbag. You win? You win our let's. Let first go to Jason Butter. Italy's are our chief researcher and had writer for the Glen Back Programme, This is the Wednesday night special tonight at nine p m. You can find it live and on demand at the blaze beginning at nine p, tonight
an annual can also what should, I think, just live on. You tube the blaze you tube channel, so you can watch it there. I have a friend is like idle to subscribe to. The blaze is a great opportunity for them to see why they should they miss it or a few message. You can only find it on demand at blazed outcome for members only because you guys are the ones who have made all of this research possible for two weeks. I've had him in a bubble. The corona virus bubble and researching everything and Jason was a good guide put on this, because he was very sceptical at first. He was sceptical of I don't think this is a big deal and we both were and where we come out on the other end of this is I'm not sure. I It is a big deal and I'll explain in a minute, but I'm sure that this is
thing to write off or something to panic about. It is something just a watch closely. The topics you give me I'm why it's hard, because the people that were researching or trying to withhold information, so I did takes forever to dig out documents or whatever great boon. We talk mccrone of our great it's a scam, easy, but I'm fine, China what's here. It is it's almost like looking into a George Soros Organization, looking into the crowd of our somehow it's been because they're, just withholding so much information and that's what I've come out of this room, thinking that using the outbreak and doesn't happen and around say like we gotta find patient, zero and ground zero and isolate that area right. Well, I don't think they have any frickin. Clue patient. Zero is and where ground zero us here, they they there's two things that people are saying I came from. Bat soup were pretty sure to come from bat soup. However it it it could have come from this market. I mean, I really think that you know if if we're depending on supply lines. Hey.
When a General Motors Apple no, you probably should put your manufacturing sites in a place where they have an open market where bats cropping on camels and camels. Are you crap salamanders and they're all in cages, one on top of each other s bad idea, every single major outbreak has come out Sars couple of other flues. They ve all come out of China. So who was the exam? it was like that's where I want my family. We gotta do a very great bull, aha, bats. So It may have come from them, but they don't think so. We don't think that it can from a bio weapons lab because its eighth eighteen, actual virus, it's too chaotic to be something that they made in a lab it has no markings of a of a lab virus, may have been studied at that lab
air in in blue Hon, but not made in that lab- that's not to say to come out of that right? I don't know we don't know we don't know. I mean that this that I looked at the study and its root, pretty alarming, actually of all the cases. This is back when they first we're. Looking into this, when I think was like around ninety people have had contracted at that time. They all ninety cases and they said: okay, we ve there's a vast majority. Yes, we're in that that food market, but patient zero did not catch it they're. So he infected what else that person walked into that food market and that's when it started so here's a here's. What you need to know we're talking tonight at nine o clock, we have a segment towards the The programme where I try, to somebody who is in quarantine he's a doctor of from China is American, but he was in China right there.
And he's in quarantine right now, and we skype in to his into is his his secret lair, and talk to him about what it was, what it like there. What did that Surgeons are and his his concern is that the more time De rate on this may be low right now, it's too meaning two out of every hundred people will they get. It will die. That's about the rate of the spanish flu and the regular flu has a point one death rate, he said the inner, even if this has a one percent death rate, that's a lot worse, than a flu, but the problem is this is so easily spread that it could affect sixty seventy million people
if, if it only affects forty million people around the world, that's that that's a number of sixty five million people. That will die this season. This is a flu. The flu that you normally get is strain of the nineteen eighteen flew. So we keep. We keep fighting the nineteen eighteen spanish flu every year there are different flues the come through, but That's the main basis of the flu that we have now flu is not going away and if it mutates it gets more deadly. It's horrible just stays this way. It could kill sixty five million people every single year and I dont know The trust! That's why I'm so confused in this entire. Thing because it with what they're saying the vitality raiders there, what they're saying it's two percent. I don't even think I can trust that, because what the data that we look,
If you just go off of what like corral it. So we win, we ve gotten some statements from some cremation workers over in China and their information is completely contradictory to what they're saying the China saying the battalion writers and those people buy We who are speaking out, we will show you them tonight. There are in jail or suddenly disappeared, or surprisingly they caught them. Blue and died within a couple of days, healthy middle age. Thirty million authorities catching the this flu and dying right again that we're not match what they tell him that so the the official number day yesterday was seventy three thousand four hundred and thirty five people globally had this. Today, it's up to seventy five. In the death rate, there was a twenty percent jump overnight. Eighteen hundred seventy five deaths, it's now, two thousand and nine overnight, however, that that doesn't
fit the real number a core to several experts is probably closer to three hundred and fifty thousand that have been infected and about it. We just don't know about it. Yet, while us exceeds the competitive Sars, the Mean Sars acted eight thousand people and only killed around seven hundred, but this was, after a full twelve months of China, trying to cover it up, saying now: no problem, no problem errand and finally, a doctor similar to this case came out and we will do no blew the whistle on it. That's twelve months with we only had this has only been a few months and when they ve already dwarfed Emmy, it's over double the amount. Was killed by certain Sars at a higher fatality rate. See this does not let up at all, so you were sceptical on that number. Do why, you said sixty five million people run diver years. Yes, I'm skeptical. Isn't that what the research shows that's not hoardings I've forty million people, they believe
Forty million people will get this worldwide. Its currently an epidemic. An epidemic is regional. A pandemic is all around the world. If this becomes a pandemic, they believe that sixty five million- that's the low number, will contract this flu in a twelve month period raises virginal, you said, will die so that's not. It Sorry! Sorry, sorry, that's no! Six! Forty percent of the population! Sorry, forty five percent of the population will contract this flu in a year. Forty five percent out of that forty five percent. That means sixty five million humans will die if forty five percent of the globe gets the yes so, forty four if it becomes a pandemic re believe forty percent forty to sixty. Taken the low number forty percent of the globe ever
buddy living today will get this this year can give its append pandemic. I live in a server real, real escalation, the only one in age there saying the only thing: that's gonna stop this. They say that is the real hope is summer. Flew dies out, go in there well. Maybe global warming will save us after me, and I will be so satisfying right and, if so in, that's that's the, but that's the low number imagine if forty percent of the world has a flu that you don't way that do you have to just shot every down and make sure you stay home if forty some of the world. What happens in this is the real thing that I'm focusing on two things tonight. Not just the virus. But I wanted to look at what governments are doing and what
big government of China really means that's the number one killer. It's not the flu. It is the chinese government, the communist government that is killing these people. Because of their competence. There, secrecy and their policies, but I also wanted to look at what does this mean for the economy this should be the number one thing on Donald trumps radar right now, because this may be that the difference between winning and losing an election. This thing it calm down, in summer here in the United States if it even gets here this year, but it doesn't have to escape China to affect us. India is already headed towards a recession. There's a report. Today, the several of these carve company here in Amerika and in the UK are struggling because it will have part-
In fact land Rover just said they're taking parts out of China in suitcases right now. They only have parts to continue production for the next two weeks. So. What's gonna happen is not only are we not getting parts and things to be able to complete products? here in Amerika and us not getting products to the shelves here in Amerika for us not to be able to go in to target our where Walmart and by the stuff that we want you're, not gonna, be able to make them sell them and a bigger problem currently is companies like Apple and even Ralph, Lauren, Ralph Lauren. Seventy five per cent of their stores now in Asia are closed and had been closed for weeks. That's a growth market for of all the way from apple
to land rover- that's their number one growth market is well in fact, I think their number one market, so Landrover Jaguar apple to clothing, from like Ralph Lauren Those companies are gonna, take significant hits when they do their stock prices start to fall. The stocks should have fallen already and they haven't, and I think it's because everybody's keeping their fingers crossed and there's going to be all kinds of money, printing and pumping to keep the economies of the entire globe of float. This is the number one. In my opinion, this is the number concern in the short term in the long term. We're gonna be fighting this for maybe forever tonight Jason. We come back and let's get into some of the stats next next hour,
night at nine o clock a special you do not want to miss. You can watch it on blaze, tee dot com, Slash Glenn, use the promo code glance. Save ten percent. Now, on your subscription, we'll see you tonight at night p m for the Wednesday night special. Best of a bad that programme AIDS, Glenn and you're listen into the Glen bad program. If you like, with your hearing on this, show, make sure you check out Padre unleashed it's available, where ever you download your favorite podcast. Now before I get into some of the bad news about corona virus. Let me give you some good news. Calm hotels are now telling it is now is the time you ve ever wanted to go to Hong Kong? Now is the time they will give you great rates on the hotels they said they have pool anti of occupancy
Tourism is down, don't worry about. Why don't even think about that, but there are offering a great deal to anybody who wants to come and stay in Hong Kong, so Rover dies. Roller dice go to Hong Kong. Another advantage of the of the the virus is lobsters in America could be a lot cheaper this year. Lobsters are big portion of the main lobsters and Atlantic lobsters have all been being sold to China Some reason people are in eating out as much in China. I don't know what it is. Weird, that's weird, I another positive energy use down: fifteen percent in coal because of this in China, which proves the thesis of Samuel I'll Jackson and that movie, which rumblings funding with the kings.
What he's once they release like a virus? That's gonna kill right people to save the environment, it would work it would. All you have to do, is already yeah. You can kill em or keep him in their house. There's some a frightening things we have found online and an Jason, but real is with us, and he is my chief researcher in and staff writer heads head of the writing, a staff and- and I I asked M to take this on and tell me the difference between truth in fiction and there's a lot of stuff we don't know a lot of really important stuff. We don't know, but What are the videos that we're gonna show tonight that are coming out of China? Are real and they're pretty terrifying, When you see when you, see the the guy- and I don't have you heard this Jason, but the guy who will you know? We have the video of going through the hospital and seeing all the bodies in the body bags and he hey? I need a huh
today for our hospital he's in jail. Now that guy's amazing, so he ease silly amazing he he made the most american sounding statement. I've heard since I think seventeen seventy six, I mean nothin Another weird like a side effect from all this. Just all dissidents that are coming out in the autumn United, he wasn't he was arrested. I think then, let go because of the outcry that said hey. What are you doing? The party is out of their minds right now, so they were forced to let him go now been re arrested, but yet, but you'll see any re arrested for spreading false information, but the This guy's, these whistle blowers. That's the same thing that the guy who first reported the corona virus and just reported it not to the wall. I just tried to report it to his fellow workers at the hospital saying: hey of Euro Hospital worker, there's something we.
Go and ah there's this new strain of virus. I dont know what it is, but just where protection, if some coming in with flew like symptoms, the Chinese Communist government arrested him forced him to recant they published it. Then he's mysteriously get sick himself and dies pretty quickly, but before he dies he's in an interview with. I think the Hong Kong Free times or something like that and they have him. You can hear the respirator in the background and the heart monitors and he's just talking about. He was force due to say those things. This is really bad. A lot of these video those that are more gonna show you tonight have all been vetted in there all legit, and this has been a hard process, because there
much disinformation going out there, we ve already debunked one video, that's completely fake. Couldn't you talked about it last week that wins out the rest of them, though, are actually really when you see these, it's it's all too painfully. If that were not getting the full story of, and the problem is that the chinese communist government, his hired between one thousand hundred and three thousand journalists to only go on line and right stories, debunking the truth, So writing the communist line, and so you don't know you have no, idea. What's true in what's not ends the worst case scenario and they're not doing that there- the writing those stories, but there also look like very creatively. Writing these stories to get people in line so that all of them state, run, media outlets or writing these story. Saying look all these great thing Madame S, hand outs frame, look only how all these great things were doing to protect you, but I guarantee it now what are met for their meant to say, shut up, no your place and get in line.
We'll show you it's insane will show you pictures that they are proud of, but proud of of The harassment by drones, draw We are now flying all over the cities in China and they coming in low and they will say they affectionately, com, anti or uncle, and there say, add tee. What are you doing on the streets without a mask and they're gonna be like a whole. This is kind of funny and town, right, Adam and says you needed home now, don't leave your home again. You need to be wearing a mask and the EU can, see it in the eyes of the Chinese are gonna like this is kind of funny, but it's weird and my end trouble and they always end with we're watching you have watching we're watching you. I mean it
Terrified though there one says you, you broke the law and are outside of your house now, drawn will follow you end straight up, those dollars and only our way. It is say here and there doing it s kind of like what, when there were being released in China there conall almost like have did you notice is like the Benny Hill music behind it and they speed them up as their walking home to make it kind of funny and not spooky its really bizarre? It's really bizarre, so you'll, see that tonight because we're we're law king at what China is doing as a big state. They are late. I mean how do you keep? Basically almost the eastern seaboard in their homes. How would the enough states? Governments say by the way everything really everything from sir accuse down,
to Atlanta and to the ocean every stay in their home. How it was you would have to rewrite laws Yom every now and we'll have to rewrite laws, they already have them, but to keep those. Below three. Remember. Your letter, but every two days one per let out to go shopping and that I don't think it's true anymore. I didn't see that yeah, the ooze like four at the beginning you could go out to get some food, but now there is no foot there, no stores, hoping nothing is working. There's no time ends. It there's no grocery stores, nothing. People are literally trapped in their homes. Lying in their homes. Are we so the video of the guy who is being locked into his into his house? on the outside their like it's for your own good needs. Like the lock me- and here I don't have any that's very good, not only walking but backs
placing a steel bar on the door system double make sure that he Cancun some of the other videos where they're going in and there's likes its. It reminds me of no like in a war to you, know like nazi to movie, where they're going in and pulling Jews out of their homes. They're going into like some whose homes where they suspect they suspect people might have a case, and we ve got video this one guy that film across the street, and there goes the police, kick the door and they go in grab a couple out, forcibly separate them and are trying to fight the police off they forcibly separate them, though them in the back of to vans. They both take often different direction. It is saying is that we are the welding videos real, where they ve been welding people's doors shuts. I've seen, if sometimes as I am now I've and see how it's funny, because they would fit. I dont know if they argued, would fit the whither dealing with us in the media. So strange to. I heard someone say the other day like
this is is this Thea is China's Chernobyl and then the persons as well as that we obviously not to that scale, but there's nobody there died in Chernobyl was fifty nine people died. Internal give us, I mean the after effects when, because of their denial, nobody d, nobody died that nobody in the town died from the Two effects: anybody lobby, the warriors and the worker- and that was part of their denial and look up while Chernobyl was serious. But, like this looks, this has the potential to be much much worse. They were talking about it as being the scale less than Chernobyl. This is much greater right. I mean it is. If we find out that they knew for weeks and weeks it didn't do anything about it is that I did I mean it. That's what everyone seems to be reporting now is largely because what because the way there's society is struck,
right. He is the ultimate competent man at the top that I was mixed. The right decision, that's what I whistleblower said. He said that idler he was like in that group text. He was like hey. I don't know what we are not talking about this, because there are their studying some of these cases and military hospitals and their dying, and there. Saying: hey yeah. This is it. This is a public health problem, so we already know. So let me give you the stats that we we do know. They say today that it is seventy five thousand one hundred and ninety five. That's up about two thousand overnight connect these. The people who are that are known to be infected. When I when I was doing the stats, so I wrote this last week. It was forty five thousand correct that is, I just had to change it that you, how is over thirty thousand the seventies doubled, doubled in size? So it's at seventy five thousand. However, we don't believe that that number is anywhere close to ignore it.
Most most people who are willing to speculate and I've got a story about Michael Bloomberg, folding to China. You can't you can't trust our own press here, because They are in bed with China doing business, and so they want access and will not question and give you the truth, because they'll lose all access and unreasonable for them. Just absolutely unbelievable. And unreasonable for them to at least say at the top of their broadcast. You know we it. The Bloomberg. News have major outlets in China and we have a deal with the chinese government. We are reporting what we can in accordance
to the chinese government. That's all you have to say. Let us know you're you're, not willing to say that, because you don't want to lose your place in China, but you have to tell people that when lives are at stake, wait to hear the story about Bloomberg NEWS, it's incredible, but make no mistake there all doing it. They're all doing so anybody who will go on the record. They. They believed that the actual number of infected now is over three hundred and fifty thousand. I find that number curious, even at that level only because your pudding said The five million people locking them in their homes, said
five million people- that's it'll, take take California and just say: california- is completely quarantine. Everybody stay in their house. That's would we do that for this, the wood? It certainly wouldn't be for something you shouldn't worry about
would give you the reasons why you should worry about it, but it's not necessarily that it so fatal. Most seasonal flu viruses have a case fatality rate of less than one in a thousand people, so one in a thousand people less than one in a thousand people will die because of the regular seasonal flu in China. That number is twenty. Now, with this that's way different than Sars, Sars was more like a hundred, I think. Wasn't it wasn't a ten percent Sars was ours was that we would like a door ten. Fifty I was yet in the eighteen percent. Okay, so more deadly yap much more deadly, but this is still over less than one
and regular flew. This is twenty people in China. Now there are some conditions that change that outside of China will go into that here and just a second, by the way, the special tonight, where we're doing best to give you all of the things that we know in a concise way, coming up to night, nine o clock only on blue, TV, it's the Wednesday night special. If you watch it live you watch and on Blaze tv dotcom, Slash Glenn, you can watch it live at nine o clock. Also, that's where you'll get it on demand. If you have a friend that doesn't have blaze tv, you can tell them to watch it on the blaze Youtube, but it will only be live there. So once it's over it's over on you too, you can only watch it on demand. At blaze, tv dotcom, slashed, Glenn subscribed to day your subscription helps us do these specials.
Use a promo code, Glenn Unsafe, ten percent are ok, so the corona virus is about in China is about as deadly as the spanish flu of nineteen eighteen. Spanish flu was a pandemic. This is an epidemic, its regional. At this point. If it becomes a pandemic and spreads across the globe, they say anywhere from the lowest I've heard is thirty percent. The highest I've heard is sixty percent of the globe of the entire population will get this out of that two percent of the people will die if it holds true to what's happening in China. I am not sure that it will. The death rate is lower outside of China. For several reasons.
But that means at forty percent that mean sixty five million people will die. That's significant and by the way, until we find a vaccine, you'll have to have like a flu shot for this every year. Now We are still badly the flu much of the flu that we battle every single year is still a strain of the nineteen eighteen spanish flu. So this flu, is going to be around for a while. They believe now it will travel in saliva through, Water in the eyes, therefore, close contact, kissing, sharing cutlery, you know hey, can I have a bite, nope covered nineteen you know using any kind of utensils, make sure you wash your hands and all of that stuff that all is in play. This also, however, can be spread third hand, so you get the virus, you don't know you,
the virus for as long as twenty four days they say fourteen, but it could be as long as twenty four days. You have it and its growing in you and you don't know, and in those fourteen to twenty four days you can be infecting others that what makes this so troublesome this is the best of the planned back programme, Hey
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medium peace on the year, I ve never done that. They tend to be really long, but I thought every word of what she road was important. Is she wrote a piece after attending a Trump rally? I realize Democrats are not ready for twenty twenty website is and workplace dot com. May I call you Carlin? Yes, absolutely. How are you I'm I'm doing? Well, I've had a bit of a week over her glad. I'm not gonna lie. I bet you have. I bet you have. I first of all thank you for coming on. I would imagine this is the last place you everything, you would be on oh, never in a million years should I think this is what happened right right? You are a Democrat and ere you were. You were a Democrat you're, an independent now and it's my. We had an argument back and forth its my understanding,
that you are still going to be voting for a democrat or possibly voting you're. Not you haven't changed to a Trump supporter of both or voter right. Well, I really don't know I mean, I frankly, don't know who my options are in the general election and I think that there are absolutely some it's a pretty high profile contenders that I will not vote for under any circumstances, so we'll see
so tell the story for anybody who didn't read. Tell your story. Yes, so I you know I had been going on this journey for the past six months or so where I was really starting to feel very uncomfortable in an echo chamber that I had created for myself and I started the listening to this different conservative voices and they kind of all culminated when I decided to go to the Trump rally in Manchester New Hampshire last week. I thought, if there's anything I I can't think of anything bigger. I could do to break out of my very liberal, ECHO chamber and everyone that I talk to you about. This idea was genuinely concerned from, I think the, and that includes people on the left and the right. Both rarely concerned that I was going to be physically harmed at this rally, either by their supporters or by a teapot or whoever. But I decided to go anyway and I discovered that you know: hey Shocker, their debts average normal people that are really really nice and welcoming, and I wrote about
and you said at one point: you thought those people were despicable and even deplorable. Oh yeah lily. I definitely I'm went through a phase, probably for about a year and a half, Why? I really thought that you know anyone who supported president Tromp was at best supporting racism and at worst downright racist themselves. While and where did they come from? I was watching a lot of MSNBC deficits. Our eye, and then why did you become uncomfortable I I'm a nigger and in the knitting community- and I know this sounds bizarre, but it is a hyper political, a community at the moment where they have these kind of roving gangs of social justice warriors just attacking people and moving them. Indiscriminately and when it is up to us fluffs up you're, asking me to process way too much. First of all, I think most people didn't even know that there was a knitting online needing community and now,
I'm seeing knitters an roving gangs occurs, social, something just doesn't fit here. It's not what I expect well, listen. I understand feel, because I didn't expect that either right by I started seeing this happened just over and over and over again and at some point I started speaking up within the knitting community insane guys. This is wrong. We shouldn't be doing as and when they came after me and at that point, and I didn't get it as badly as a lot of people dead. But at some point I do said, I cannot align myself with these people politically issues,
it's wrong. What they're doing you talked about? How one person was bullied so bad online that they, they became, suicidal yeah yeah? What what? What? What were the arguments about so in his cave in particular, heaved, started speaking out when the mopping first started happening, and I swear I'm not making this up all he did with post a palm on Instagram asking for kindness and asking for people. Do you see the human beings and he was mobbed by thousands and thousands of people and when he any what eventually to go into the hospital and then his husband posted on Instagram that you know, please stop the hate youth in the hospital and it just got worse and kept escalating after that. Those really it was really too bad, but thankfully he is. He seemed to a really rebounded, and now it's good
lot of support from people like me, so who are these people that are in these raw roving mobs they're, just their people on the very far laughed too that any time something sticks out to them? That is outside of their ideology. They try pressure people in the kind of bending the knee and and issuing these massive apologies- and you know pointing out all the area is where they are wrong in their lives and transfer, bacon, homophobic and bat phobic, and all these things and adjust their there. I mean Odin. To be blunt, I think they're kind of this horrible miserable people that want to make other people miserable as well. Poor you're, starting to sound like a conservative, I not because I mean this is this is the thing that real We been warning about. There's there's disagreements on things that we can disagreements on policies we can go on, but when you're too two shot people up and you do it through fear and intimidation. It's it's a very a forward.
Kind of concept to America? That's not who we were. That's not what made us great. That's not what made us back anyone who is doing it on any side is really engaging in some really dangerous stuff. Who is the same way? I totally agree and when. Both started telling me to shut up specifically. That was when I started really taking a look at it because for me, your expression is a gift that we have all been given end and if you want to change people's minds, you have to do it through conversation, not through intimidation, so you said the day you went to the Trump rally, Emily B C was there, and so you you wanted to see you I d go work among some familiar territory: fur so you went and what was your experience there that morning
Well, I was wearing Red had that looks kind of like a trumpet that says, make speech free again. It's my little protests against cancel culture and ill. They is always a conversation. Starter and people struck up a conversation, and I said: oh I'm thinking about going over the Trump rally and they were like. Don't do it they're going to hurt you they're going to harass you and one woman even offered me her pepper spray, and I trust that I do not. I think I'm gonna be fine. It's going to be okay. So what was the well? Are you? What are your thoughts? Because I'm sure these people were being genuine. So, what are your thoughts on on that this, especially somebody of your profession that you look and say these people are genuinely care about me. Safety, there really warning me and it's all most unhinged from reality well yeah, and I think that you know one at when
really every single person around you, is in fear of your safety. It's really hard not to question and say what are they seeing that I see, but if also an indication that I knew I had to do it at that point, because I knew I had to see for myself what was going on. So what you wrote something interesting in your article about your hat on how it is viewed by both sides. I I can't tell you how how I do you know who Jonathan Height is ideal, yeah, ok, so often did kind of the same thing that that you did and- and he he told me- that he actually started listening to me and he I am listening to you and I'm thinking one direction, and he said I realize you speak about them Things and you don't necessarily use the same terminology that all the other who conservatives use and He said so started Qana crack my mind open.
Bed and, unlike all now, wait a minute. How does this makes sense and it's the same experience that you went through by listening to other conservative friends and other voices, and I have experienced it myself where You can go in to a room and just not by changing what you say just by changing how you frame it, though the entire thing changes and You can make all kinds of progress with people and it's funny, because we're really, I think the average person generally fighting for the same thing and Did you just, don't know it and you think the others it is totally against it explain your hat.
I mean my had for me it's just I got so tired of people tried to cancel one another and starting bites with one another, and so it was just my small little. Not that I am the first amendment for me is one of my core values. I feel strongly believe in freedom of speech is so incredibly important and so that them I was really trying to articulate with it, but I completely agree with everything you have said to you in a reminds me of the phrase: what resists persists when we fight aggressively again something we just make the problem bigger and that to me as a reflection of what's going on right now in that you don't specially- and I you know my liberal friends might disagree with me, but I see it coming more from the left and the right or their fighting so aggressively, and they don't stand that they're just making the problem bigger pearl? What what is it that you are looking for in a candidate? I M that you're still lived I'm gonna. Let me ask you.
I think we used to think that liberals we're, not necessarily big government. This is in the early twentieth century. They were all about the the rights of the constitution and the bill of rights are you that kind liberal or you a progressive liberal. What what kind liberal. Are you yeah the first kind, I very very much believe in our fundamental liberties. I tend to be actually pretty said transport some libertarian leanings politically, and I guess I'm just looking for a candidate that that's going to make a common sense solution than that's going to compromise and that really the biggest thing for me right now. So do you see anybody that the left is offering up? Tell me your ideas of the candidates, why you would or wooden vote for a guy, so I think the one that I would consider voting for. You know I came to tell he gathered late and I obviously dumping share the shot at the nomination on. I think that what the left has done to her eyes,
an atrocious in terms of the character assassination, be careful you're starting to sound like the Glen Back Programme, I just want you to know that you're on your way over your head here, more surprised at this meagre. What is already I voted for people to engage in New Hampshire primary now. I voted for him mostly Because I came to know him very early on in the campaign, I think he's Panther way too much for me lately. I voted for Bernie and twenty seen in the primary, I do not need. I would vote for birdie again now, because I think you ve gone way to laugh than I think his supporters just terrify me, and I think that the thing with burning and who in Burmese, why ultimately think will probably be the nominee is. Then it's really a question of do I do I want to go towards socialism or do I wanna go towards capitalism and I'm
pretty big fan of capitalism? Rowing though you now I'm so in what are your thoughts? What are your thoughts on on Trump now and what did you? What did you walk away? Feeling? I, you know, I think they trump there are things about Trump I dont like. I definitely do not agree with some of his policies by I also I love what he's doing when the economy, the economy is in a really good spot, I'm an organizational psychologist. I love seeing unemployment low that these people have jobs. People have options, for I am I We I like some of the actions that he has taken in terms of and being more aggressive towards, the you know, youth alimony and all these things. So I'm not upon the trump necessarily I'll put. You think, he's just a really funny guy and I think that you have to put trump in the context of being just as blustery New Yorker and not taken so serious.
With every single thing that he said. So we were just talking about that today. The difference between Michael Bloomberg and Donald Trump is Donald. Trump is to be mean all the time. Sometimes he can be, but me Sometimes he's funny he's, got a sense of humor. Making fun of Michael Bloomberg into shortness, but Michael Bloom does not have a sense of humor you know who, when he says things, I think he means them where Donald you're gonna have to it's it's weird cause. You got some of the things he says you have to take over. You know for real, buddy and others you have to just blow he's just turn ease just stirring the pot. That's all always like. I love a good troll. I do have like what you saw laugh at these things, but it wasn't a Bloomberg. It's the nomination, and especially if he brings Hilary with him, I swear. I will vote Bertram purely spite. Wow so the question? I really wanted to ask you? Are there other people like,
few that are starting to wake up to the democratic position of just laying footsie with really danger people, I think there are people who are starting to wake up. It's definitely hard I've gotten, so I mean prior thousands of messages over my story of people, saying I wish my liberal friends and family would read Beth I tried to give it to them just won't. I think that people yell and in small numbers are starting to wake up, and I really do think that November is going to be a giant wake up, call and it's to be interesting, that they would happen well. Thank you. Very much. So respect you, even though I am sure we differ on one tonne of things? I really respect the courage of any one who thinks out of the box and dare go against their own side for what they believe And I wish you all the luck that I could possibly with you you so much for being on. Thank you lend me a bad doctor
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