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speck I mean all of them. He's the guy who started the the behavioral science at the FBI. It's gonna be a fascinating interview. Also Dave Reuben is gonna, be joining us today and Blake J Harris on more on Facebook end and his what could the history of the future coming up, but I want us I want to start with it kicked. Can we play the audio of of Joe Biden where he is? He is talking compared in ITALY, here about how America must now provide health care for people who were here illegally. I think that anyone who is it situation where they're of healthcare, regardless of whether the document on document we have an obligation to seek ever cared for. That's why I think we need more clinics around the country, and this idea that

document and by the way civilian force on doktor, undocumented folks in this country. Are there because if overstate the visas stop people breaking down gauge coming across the border sties either way it doesn't matter you here's the thing. If you want socialized medicine, then you must have a secure border. We cannot do both You won't open borders rate private medicine, but you cannot open the borders and say anybody who sick come to America because the and we're healing the world and we will not have the resources to heal any by in a very short period of time, that's just math. And I know that math doesn't really work for socialist right now, but in the end, the gods of the copy book headings

I'll teach us that too, and to do indeed always equal, for I mean this is amazing. You have a society that is trying to do both write em. Even the pretensions and there's some libertarians who kind of open borders, but argue for much of the many libertarians are. Oh, I got some of the main say their borders, but the reason is well we'll have to support them. We can do we, don't we don't? We will have to have these giant programmes, we don't want them. Perhaps if you dont have a socialist medicine, if you don't free Healthcare for everybody. If you dont have a requirement to treat every person at a hospital that needs to be treated or educate right, every kid that comes in night finance,

surely it still it's not, as is not a problem now. Those are the reasons why you might want to do that, but it financially, it doesn't become as big a problem, because while I mean look, if you're not giving away, all the spotlight is still employment and concerns in everything else, but this is the way it goes every single time and you have to put Europe. You have to understand- and I don't think many of the younger millennials and younger were suddenly embracing socialism realise what underlies that What underlies all of socialism is your dedication to the state is the state as your god it, and that is wrong. You were this, you know where this ends up. You can sit back and say well, I want this programme and I want this programme, but once things start going wrong. The socialist government You ve, given all this power to has no other option but to protect itself at all costs and that dedication wines of killing a hundred million people in a century, or so rightly seen this before,

is a great new series on HBO Culture, have you seen as yet. I haven't I've seen the I've seen the ads for it, but I will tell you this is agreed. Way, assuming that it's good, I know you ve seen it in so assuming that it is is good. This is a great way to teach our kids who did not live through the Soviet Union. Teach our kids and our grandpa exactly what it's like to live in a socialist country now remember it's really communists that you know that communism, you didn't do communism right? No, but right, that's why it was the? U S: s arm, soviet socialist states, okay, so was not communism, because that The higher law, it was socialist

So when you see what a real social estate was in Chernobyl is a great example of what happened in its also great sample of what happens to the regular people, because the regular people who are in the society, they may not be still socialist ideologues right. There are people who are trying to make a living in their living under. It was what is, I believe, a terrible system, and many of the people in the Soviet Union during Chernobyl were heroes, the hero who were working there, the people who came in to try to stop firefighters, firefighters, Emmy, and they they talk about this and they show it in great detail of what they went through and what they were asked to do. But let me give you this this part. This is amazing,

though there exists at the scene? Chernobyl's happen, though nuclear meltdown in in a Soviet in the Soviet Union, Ukraine, and they are talking about what do we do now? They have not come to the point where they realize how bad it was, or bad with mitted to themselves how bad it was in there just starting to have those first conversations back and forth about you know. Most people are saying out: it's a fire and it's mostly out and yes I'd say look. I don't think I think we should evaluate the town of Minnesota. This looks a lot worse than we thought it was and what we should get the people out of the town and so that the there's a the two sides of this garbage I can forth at this table as their planning for for what happened to the people in the community and, as this is all going on, an old guy in old Socialist, an old school guy taxes, Kane on the floor and silence in the room and gives this speech it's in me.

Listen. I wonder how many of you know the name of this place called Chernobyl. Of course,. Or is it real man. The Vladimir I Lenin Nuclear Power station exactly. Vladimir Lenin, and how proud he would be reviewed, tonight, especially you? Young man? so you have for the people, who is that not the sole purpose of the apparatus of the state sometimes wish

Sometimes we fall prey to fear phase in soviet socialism always be rewarded the state, tells us the situation here is not dangerous. Her face mass besides, tells us at once to prevent a panic lists. Well, it's true on the people see the police, they will be afraid, but it is my experience. One. The people ask questions that are often their own best interests. They should simply be told keep their minds on their labour and leave matters of the state to the state. We see loss

No one leaves us the sunrise. The spread of misinformation at is how We keep the people from undermining the fruits of their neighbour, yes, commerce, we will all be rewarded for what we do here tonight. This is our moment to sign is while amazing, they dont. Let the people undermine their fruits of their own labour when they ask questions that are not in their best interests:

so John Huntsmen was a friend of mine, John husband Signorina, and we talked because he was one of the first guys in the former Soviet Union, and you know the idea was capitalist can go in and help healed. Tree, so he bought Aeroflot airlines. Did you know that now? How did not yet so he bought when the Soviet Union collapsed? These were all state run things and they sold them off, sold above so he went in and he thought I'll, buy Aeroflot, so the planes can still fly. He bought air he sold it so quickly, when he bought it loose, did he know how bad things were they literally would lose planes full of passengers ploughed into a mountain, and where

the families would be waiting at the gate, waiting for their family that plane to arrive. They would say it's late and then they would find out that you know that was it a crashed, the heads of it and they would say the heads of Aeroflot would just tell the gate. People never took off. This is never took off this plain didn't, this displaying didn't exist and so the people who were standing at the gay went- I I I just ought to my aunt or my husband. He getting onto that plane. Note that plane didn't that didn't and ever took off. I don't know where your husband is and they just had to go back to their home and concentrate on their labour mobility. Question goodness questions that's that Is the real problem of socialism? Is There is no police to run to when a corporation. Never happen in America. Can you imagine a plane

just plows into a mountain and reckon airlines would say met but play never took not loud and happen. It wouldn't happen. But if the state, rolls the communication, the arrow Itunes and absolutely everything else who either run too. Your husband dies in a plane crash, your huh is, is at Chernobyl and and they it's a massive meltdown. Nobody get sued note nobody investigates because The police are part of it, a socialist. Don't understand that somehow so Our another they just and a car from this progressive idea that and ten progress will. Yes, man we can progress, but IE. Each man must progress on his own, and so in

There are certain things that are naturally born and all of us and a a willingness to be corrupt. If your in charge absolute power, or corrupts absolutely their freedom and works with a bunch of millennials and based. If there's some, there had some conversation with a mandatory program. That, generally speaking, would be a good idea, but should it be mandatory and none of them could see any negative, these aren't left wingers, either currency any negative in the government, forcing these people to purchase paid in it, and it's it's fascinating, because that is the all they could see, was the common good of what you just heard. That speeches the end of the common good that where it gets to remember here not doing because he wants to kill people right, he's doing this because he wants to protect soviet socialism.

Just for the common good, and I have a proposal here when you go to like Youtube and you could play a video. It says you have to wait fifteen seconds before you see the video, I think when you go to a voting booth and you try to vote for Bernie Sanders, you should have to wait and watch that entire video but the vote goes through. Just just you should enable. Are you sure you're voting for starters generally has loser? Are you sure all gay? best of that programme its lead. And I want to tell you about something that you should either end your day with bore start your morning, and that is the new Susan. Why it matters if you like the show you're going to love the news and why it matters it's a bunch of us they all get together at the end of the day and just talked about the stories that matter to you and your life. That is why it matters

now? What ever you download you ve, Pat Gray, joins us now from Pat Gray unleashed the podcast. That is sweeping America. Everybody is talking about ever everybody's every about it. Script, crazy, it's a little embarrassing than what we have found out, everybody it. What do you have any airport staff that I think you're in love on immigration. Well, illegal immigration. Ah, I loved the India. I think your love from the entire populations of Guatemala and Honduras. One percent of the total population of each of those countries has crossed the U S border, but you think it's ok! What, since nineteen seventy five nineteen eighty

since last September, but you know how old were you last night sittings and said o eight, even one percent, one percent of the population of two pretty significant countries have illegally entered our country in the last nine months, nine months, This is definitely not a right as it did not occur. Not you not an environment. Where are you imagine if one percent of a ran or Al Qaeda one percent of Al Qaeda came across and just was in nine months in nine months in Amerika. Would we say, there's a problem. I mean, of course we would. I would love to know what purse then teach must come across the border illegally from those two countries or any other countries. Seventy five percent. Seventy four-

recent made they get alarmed that I'd I'd start to get worried mistakenly fences that more hang on just a second, I mean you can look at it as if. Well it's not a hundred percent right. We didn't empty of both those countries, there's windows. I would I e that we live said. I make a suggestion. May I make a suggestion that lead slowdown on this? Let's think about this for a minute and go home, there's no place where conservatives to go right now, like I'd love to live in California, I'll, never live in California, it's crazy! So why don't we look it ponderous and say? Ok, I tell you what you guys sneak across the border and you come in here. And when you get about ninety nine percent? Just alert us and then I'm gonna cut down to address and by the entire country, and we will live as concern.

Relatives in free men in others that's kind of appealing. Italy is I don't got ocean front property, we start over again and just use the constitution and will live by you guys go go here. You have a good time have a good time. It's I mean it's not! I the Democrats love to talk about sustainability, that's not sustain, Is it sustainable that every nine months another one percent from those countries are central. American countries are really countries continue to flood into the United States. That sustainable. Can you let you know it's not one percent of Canada. One per cent Canada cross our borders will be paid out it who would be pissed than the laugh Ohio while they be pissed because they be bearing in their back bacon in there and curling and all their say would not like that. In the window they were

but I would be just as upset if it was Canada. I would do it doesn't matter. What does matter fits the UK or Canada, Norway? I dont care, it's unsustainable. We just can't do it. While you are, you hurt Joe Biden Le Yesterday talk about healthcare right where he said we have to provide healthcare we have to preserve our delegation. So now we're whining healthcare for one percent of the population of those two countries in nine months, weave we're taking on one per cent of two different countries and we're gonna be providing their health care. How? How is that- sustainable. How and how? Who pays for who pays for us? We do right here we gotta for the education we have to pay for the health care we have to pay for the living. You know as if we capture them and we have to house them these new.

That no, it died. The usually works against that point. I've noticed over the now years, just yell you lie, and now it judge or Wreckers Jost admitted it now there isn't a meaning it. I love that I think about that all the time when you predicted years ago, there just gonna start admitting all this stuff and have then they are in there just there just naked marxists night till I told you at the time remember what dead. They want to go, they do their dying to tell you they are out at all. They are so confident that socialism is the thing their dying to tell you and in its in these moments you need to remember what the truth is, because the it wasn't that different in the mid nineties when Bill Clinton was saying the era of the government is over. They didn't believe anything differently. Then they just warrant telling you the other

taking, they just believed that at that point, the best way to advance it was to say the air of big government was over and now They believe the opposite. They think they can come out. It admitted and you're right their dying to do and here's the thing we were conspiracy theories for saying that that's what they wanted to do. Nine years ago, we were can scarcely now they're coming out and saying it, and when you, who pointed out nobody says you're, a conspiracy is tending more there like yeah wait, wait, wait yeah yeah, the socialist group, I welcome this. That's a better system yeah.

And then there are those people who, I think, the vast majority of the voting Democrats. Moaning democrats are different in Washington D C S thick time, and I think that the vast majority of the voting democrats- and you see this, as evidenced by you- know Joe Biden being up thirty thirty forty year. Thirty, two to forty points I had of any at another competitors. There is this desire that none of them there is this starving for anything other than socialist in the Democratic Party, and they are. They are willing to accept Joe Biden, not being a socialist but he'll. Give you the same stuff. He's gonna. Give you exactly that stuff, you you can't, you know he wrapped it yesterday and compassion compassion, yes, but if you're in a lifeboat, I'm sorry, but when the lifeboat is,

fool. You must steer the lifeboat away from the people who are fleeing Lange and I'm sorry, but we will all die and when that happens, who then can We hope the answer is no knowing one when the lifeboat has been capsized or, son, everybody drown, correct, correct! You, you, you half, do you have to balance compassion with reason? and when it comes to the situation, we are not able, where the richest comfort country, in that no we're not know we're, not where the biggest debtor the history of the world, we have twenty three, trillion dollars twenty three trillion dollars by the way. You know how much money we have spent on poverty. Since the great society speech from L B J, was it twenty trillion? Twenty two trillion dollars air, so everything that

you ve done and the poverty numbers have not changed everything that we have done We are now in debt, Twentyth, twenty two or twenty three trillion dollars we spend about twenty or twenty two trillion dollars, trying to fix poverty, none of this is working in Europe, all socialist programmes and none of them are working. It was fourteen percent poverty rate. I think in nineteen sixty five, it's fourteen percent. Today, after twenty to twenty three trillion dollars, with the war on drugs, I mean all these wars that were fighting against as it doesn't work. He does. I worry it. It doesn't work that way. You know it's like telling somebody who's depressed just cheer up doesnt cousin water.

The way the border. If you would like to talk about real compassion murky, one is implementing child rescue systems at the border. Right now in Texas, in New Mexico, they ve. We got this charge. We were asked by churches because these churches- another another delivery, is coming today to some of these churches. Two thousand people just dumped on the doorstep today, while gay and the Amid these churches are yesterday, I didn't say it was a thousand a day. Yesterday announced two thousand two thousand as we do today today. So we were operation underground, rescue got a phone call from one of these churches on the border and said you gotta help us. You have to train our people because we know we are handing these key.

It's over to sex traffickers, but we can't do it you're about emitted a year. They said we can do anything about it. We have they have too. You have to so what damage rounds and put him in that position right? So we are sitting here providing training, so the churches can identify the smugglers and we will assist the government busting up these rings, but we really need your help. Mercury one. The idea was to be a catalyst to restore the human spirit when it's broken and if I don't, if, if if our spirit of Americans on the border isn't broken, I dont know what is these people have been abandoned. American citizens and towns and churches have been abandoned by our federal government. Let's help these,

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It's an honor, to talk to you? I remember what it in some way. What you went through when you first started talking to people cause? I remember, My grandfather, saying these guys Just talk and they're gonna make excuses. I don't care what happened to them in their life, they did the crime, and that was the price Well theory, when you started interviewing the mass murderers correct at the yeah. I their re much what's happening on the series, the minor too seriously netflix, The question is: why am I doing this? What what are you doing? You shouldn't be going into the prisons doing these interviews. Well, at a time Thirty, two years old, I came back to Quantico after working seven years I feel there is a very young age when I was recruited, I just got the military had four military couple advanced degrees and came back and which sitting down

the classroom. Now I had to audit the senior instruction instructors and these two year instructors just didn't, have their facts right and an. How do I know that, because they were police officers in the I assume that were challenging the instructors and say look the I worked the mass in case. You got you fact I'll screwed up so here I am now two years old and I gotta get up and senior investigators from throughout the world and an FBI agents he'll at some point, and and what can I do who to accelerate my learning so the old days we advocate roads, schools, you go out and, and maybe In the same Diego later on Boise, Idaho, let's go into these prisons ass, my partner, I salute Scotland Safe maximum talk to us will see if David Byrne, the Son of SAM or suspects, her hands her hand and those crazy idea, but when the

prisons just on announced, which was gonna good. When you an agent, you just show you crowds, you go in and just tell anybody why you want to speak to these people and, to our surprise, a very, very, very, very forthcoming, very, very interested in speaking with me, but we made mistakes early on in the year when we first I do in the interviews would go in there with notes go and they were the tape recorder, and that was a tunnel a turn off from them. Why? Because they, their paranoid individuals may should be paranoid, their incarcerated with a lot of other violent offenders. They don't trust her. She certainly not of trust the FBI. So I what I began to do.

As we went along and we teamed up, adopt an Burgess Boston College him and we developed a computerized instrument for interviews, which I would never fill out during the interview process will be before and after the the interview and then started to document this year, this material and and began to get some really fantastic information from them regarding victim selection, pre offence behave. Post the fence behaviour that I started thinking. What can I do creative creatively to create a situation where I may cause David Burke, which, for example, ought to go to the grave sight of his victims or to inject himself into the police investigation the bureau stood a far. They were. They were really against us. What the hell you doing this kind of this kind of work- and they were really the last ones to embrace the my own agency their way,

to make any to screw up and in its send me to a few montana. Rustling female cases is right up there like that, so so they were the last ones to embrace now. I got really some national, some international publicity. I was in some cases, but there when I had the Atlanta, the latch honour killings, was very controversial. I was censured by the bureau when I publicly said the killer would be when a black offender, would not be white in that particular case is historically we had a lot of white serial killers leading up to tat time when they finally, they arrested there will be Williams in the case that I got involved in cross examining strategies, coaching the prosecutor, and how to how to go after him. Stand. And again it was very, very very very but now it is young young agent, and when I will now get in front of a group, a cop senior

I've seen your agent. She knows if you like, the all show E F Hutton. What when he speaks, everyone listens behind, so they started started listening, but along away it its stressful. That's just for me. Let me ask you this on on the on the stress part of it first, oh, I don't wanna give any spoilers for anybody who hasn't seen the series on Netflix, but is that law a episode. Did that at all anything like that, did you go through that, where it was so, it's worse, it's worse than the oh, my gosh, because it was that to tickle away. That did didn't happen like that, but I I I was training in New York City to nineteen, eighty three. It was around I'll, see, fear and October November and while while onstage training several hundred police from from NASA county Suffolk all around Manhattan. I'm start I d, came back on the Yorkshire replicates. I have to go up to the last

there were a guy. I believe hunting down women he's he's abducting women, stripping them down naked ass. He takes me to his airplane flies them up into. The wilderness of Hudson Then there's is the Green River leather Green River killer in Seattle, Washington? So I had anxiety attacked attack while on stage and- and I know my material so well that by mouth is talking, but my brain is elsewhere and I feel like I'm having a heart attack on perspiring, I'm saying to myself. I was ably Douglas man gotta regroup. You gotta come command of this reform focused, and so I got through it. I don't think anyone know never said anything. No one ever detected it, but by the time I get back to Quantico, I felt at thirty eight years of age, I'm going to have a heart attack, symptoms of cancer. Something's going to happen to me, so I took out all this

some protection ensures that it is now time to go out on the green for murder case of Seattle, wash it in. I have tremendous headaches. I had to Two younger age is now assigned to my programme and the long and short say what happened was just before I went. I went to the before the task force come back to my hotel room, Tele agents. I feel like I'm getting a flu and that night I collapse in my hotel room floor like they kick down the door three days later. Cuz I have. It did not disturb sign on the door and they find me in frog. Leg position at my brain has split in the right temporal lobe from one hundred and seven degrees body, temperature heartbeats to twenty and I'm in a coma, and I remain in a coma for a week and come out of the common paralyzed on the left side. Can they can't speak before I came out of the car? well they're, playing on the veteran replying to bury me at a veteran cemetery and on

the doctors later on when I came back. They flew me back after a month in a hospital back to where I live in none of the January one to the various doctors want the psychologist psychologist test. The main is Johnny submit Of course you got the environs of politest brought on your new system is so well. I became very close to die for she had complications of blood clots at nearly killed you aces, Deceive you really suffering is post traumatic, stress disorder. That was some end and some of the things we seeing and our dad coming back that you experience the same kind of the same kind of thing here, dealing with Destin and violence and dealing with the victims of these violent crimes that break your heart. When you have to deal with them mother tells you John. You have to tell me how my daughter, with skill in my daughter, fight in your honor, and it really was emotionally exhausting so John did you did you

because in watching you- and in reading these books at you, you ve written, you least, I am I I the toll on you on sitting, you know end and and intentionally making them feel superior to you pay by adjusting the chair. Their higher than you are in doing all these things and befriending them. It just seems like there is a year paying out price in your soul able to get this information. Well, yeah these ample, I interviewed average speck appeal, seven Ursus in Chicago area an end and he was extremely violent if they are holding him in a key each and they want me to show show me. Hisself person is pornography in a cell, but meanwhile the Scr

men and yelling like crazy and I finally got back in his cage with him. I was with his counselor. I decide to totally ignore him turn my back to him and had a conversation with his counselor and I I had to use I use street language and in talking to his counts or about the crimes that he committed. You don't filthy kind of language, but the kind of language at your riches speck can identify with, and I say something to the effect that you know to counteract the ITA North, this guy, each for breakfast, but man. I said he he raped. Seven yourself, women. I will address on understanding. I knew we didn't do that, so he chimes in behind and he's he's sitting up on top of the court S, I'm six fatuity six to as well. They still wants a dominant overcoming I let him do any subsided. I didn't you strict terms what he did to those girls. I said I nice, I would just like the one on a couch makes it you're crazy, you gotta be in here, you will

just like us, and I'm really not just like him, but I have to show this this false sense of empathy. And I'll be lying to you glad if I tell you at the end of the day when I have to come back to my own family and at the time, and then the young children to have and that you may have flash You may be interfered with your wife one night at an end, you're thinking for some amorous I think you may. What do I know, you're thinking about some horrific case that your way it's really Spain. Does your health I wanna I wanna take it. I wasn't me, don't tell her tell her that on date, night, like honey- I don't I'm thinkin about right now. Is

John. I am going to take a quick break for about a minute. There really come back and continue our conversation, but I just have to thank you for what you ve endured as a as a human being for all of our sakes. You know you view put up with both sides, the law and the devil, and and took a lot of grief, and- and thank you for for standing in doing that, like you back in just one more minute: fascinating, John Douglas the killer across the table. He is the original mine hunter than if you ve seen the Netflix show.

This is the guy is the best of my background. I it's Glenn. If you're a subscriber to the podcast, can you do me a favor and rate us on Itunes? If you're not a subscriber, become one today and listen on your own time, you can subscribe on. Itunes begs Dave Reuben. How are you, Sir Leon, is going to be with you? What were you like the north pole? This is the, phone connection, I've heard since my grandmother are. We ought to bear connection here, I'm in my back yard at the moment because allay eighty and keep to this enormous power, while its very few bikers lobby groups, and she had not an on line adjust. It sounds like you're on using an like an old timey phone in a lotta here since, like I've, a person to person coastal coasts call for you, Mr Bag

When I have to go on the assumption that you know I've been dealing with these problems, would you do that it must be the phone company? That's right too. Regulations on a million subscribers on youtube- and I know that you have taken some pretty big risks recently to stand up for your principles and and putting rags in the EU to basket is really kind of a frightening thing. And it is paying off for you in some regard. I know that day demonetized you. If, if you have any body that is slightly to the right of Bernie Sanders. I know they flag, you immediately. Why pretty crazy. What they're doing ended omissions are really really interesting debate that we discuss the little bit before where it is starting to push my liberal carry died, which use my we're doing because what I am it pushing.

The budgetary judge, with limits, because let these are private companies and in my estimation they can do what they want to do nobody's sourcing. It'd be on you too then voluntarily using their service, they provide when it winter light, and then people are dead, your videos in their staying subscribe and, although I think they're providing an incredible service and all of those things why I say that primarily, but the next parted how these tech companies become. So often we powerful that we actually can even grapple with how much information they control, how much power they have the amount of connections that they have with the government. At this point, these are all things that we have to think about, and you know there is hearing we really big torch and feeding on the right right now and conservative to ask for govern an intervention on, don't don't don't big bad

idea bad. I shall look. I get why, in the short term, people think This'Ll be good, because it does seem that conservatives are getting bad more, but you have to always cake. You know a couple of steps down the road of these things and the point is both you hand over the power to the government, we support the idea that the government could run tat. Companies will regulate accompanied anyway. We welcome you on a government website. It looked like a well and ninety ready for so so bad that just like the easy version of it, but the real issue, of course, is that so, let's say you hand over the power to the governments to regulate or to be in charge of these companies are break them up and whenever it is all the government now it trumped, you know, conservative presidency might be friendly the conservative right now. But what happens if the democratic Social is getting power? Now they got the tech companies. We know they protect companies, another I've got to go

two I mean. How quickly do you think they'll be banning all the people that they deem to be why you know not reason why two parameters indirectly to that's? Where did I know you know this, but that of course is where you have Lily have to be lily of using power until the swamp last. Second, first of all- You know, regulation in a win, win mark, Zuckerberg, comes out and is begging for regulation. You know it's in his best interested Facebook to have regulation and the reason why is because they will come to, though, people in those companies and say how do we regulate and they will run. The laws, which will take all competition and crush any possible tender to their thrown on top of that, if we get them and we we order them and say how do we regulate you and they get their regulation. It will

not only crush all competition, but on top of it it will then make the bill of rights absolutely worthless, because these are companies and are private, and so they do have a right, but if they're the backbone and because of regulation, that's really all our choice. They can ban any voice, and you have nowhere to go because the bill of rights does not apply to them, will apply to the government should misses the catch twenty two and I think that people like us, the library before everything else. I think this is a tricky spot that weren't you can look at. You know going you built an incredible company using.

During the digital properties. Right, like I'm on you to use, we do project and also to think that the simple truth is you. Probably extra protection could lead the way. I think you're, the technology arm of the blaze of some years, TAT S right Eric, but riches which is actually probably the way all creators should be going ultimately and I've been I've been researching a little bit internet. But the point is that right, loose moment as work, technically there's nothing. I can do to stop you to spend your shouldn t, often and I to chicken the out and the rest of it provided by that is that it would be truly awesome power there. Especially as we know that all of this seems to be getting grabbed up to twenty twenty show its putting all of us, especially the living Might it be considered in a really weird position and what I'm afraid it is unfair to many conservative GINO

the debate here today in a regular, regularly regulating Roma hand, you will just be used yet it that being said, you know creating the competitions over the people. I gotta believe in competition rightly believe in human ingenuity. We believe we can. We can solve problems and I would always rather the free market. Sobbing, I mean there's still a major issue here, which is that the amount of money and resources to solve these problems is so master than you know. There's blockchain technologies and all sorts of interesting things that are ill sort of years away from being met. Darted, so we were just at a unique point. You know hopefully openly those about better doing good work and trying to get some truth out there. You know, hopefully, if its not being turned against us just yet, but you just don't know you really don't Divina make a pitch for somebody. There is a guy who's wrote who wrote the book the history of the future. His name is Blake Harris. Do you know

As you know, his name had come across every now and again I get Mackadoo suddenly in and a few people might be about him, you need have him on? I've had him on several times and the sea. Worry that he tells he's just like you. I mean he was a liberal and now he's kind like wave. My amazement, I wrote that that's not what I bought into this is I'm on the wrong side, and and he's bees More of a classic liberal, very Frida minded, but he has the inside scoop of what's happening with Zuckerberg and Facebook. He as he has evidence of of laws being broken by MIKE my by Mark Zuckerberg himself, its

Incredible and no one in the media is giving him any attention, and you know his his books, you know is one of this first book is being made into was made into a movie unalloyed tv show. Seth Rogan is inaccurate, so you think you know ye. I do. I do know who he is he's the guy that wrote a book about population from him. Internal dialogue and several donor? Yes, I will talk in pursuing its super interesting about actually rate, at which point I think that I've started reading about this morning. Is that the other thing that were seeing right now. You know in an age of fake, lose it not just sort of the nonsense that the media put out there that's fake news and end the manipulation and quotes where they literally take the word not at the beginning of the sentence journey, I it is also what they refuse to report on. So, for example, this week and you're not sure you talk about it on your show, but bright, Jim State, rapid internal

and yet in which harassing those little girls outside of the abortion clinic is like CNN did not even touch that story, and that is a type of state means that we need to be aware of. You know that bad muslim school and drew it up. You really would willingly training she added because it will be added, as also include Althea is like that wasn't touched, and it's like. If you took the reverse of anything, this was a christian school or you were the christian men cracking somebody else, republican or a conservative. Doing anything. Did you just let it you split the innumerable characteristic army thing. Maybe it would be in an outrage, so we need to really recalibrate how? How are we looking at media as a whole? It's why one and that, of course, directly related all that with our money, the tech company. It's honestly why we have to talk to one another, because we just assume that the Democrats that we might know- and I'm not talking about the I'm not talking about the activists

Talking about just the average Democrat that we know. We think that the no these stories and I did this with reality who is a guy who's, these very liberal and after the election I brought a man, and I said, let me show you these stories. I buy just pick like ten or fifteen stories. This why we were so upset at Barack Obama, and I gave in the stories- and I think about it- out of those ten stories and he's a well informed guy. He had now heard of peace like what is that. I don't even know what that is, and it was because of the editing of the truth here- and this is a huge problem with you know- look we're all walk around with iphones. We have actually seen for me Jim in an absolutely unprecedented way away that I think twenty years from now There will be many many studies written on how this changed human mind and human communication in all these things, but but know that there is a risk here in that you know,

many years ago, when we had a b c c b. I beseech you basically got the same stories out of out of the three networks- cable Then a rapid and you had a little bit of a widening the bat, and now we live in a time where the belgian basically no safeguards whatsoever. Now I generally think that's a good thing, but the problem is that we're all catering it to our and then yet the good, because I believe- and I know you do too- there are still good liberals out there who pay the day on having the wool pulled over their eyes and they don't you these stories and then either. They see us, you know, sort of granting and raving about things and they go Do you know about their? Just not you know they're they're aiming the wrong way and it like this is why what I've always shed is if the media would just do a decent job, we don't have to do a great job. They will even have to do a good job. Truly, I mean is it they? Wouldn't you if they were just been doing a decent job so that I could wake up every morning and look at twitter and not realised that CNN either

scolded. Several people were absolutely ignored, a story or whatever you. If they were just not do that, then the bunch of us that are on the outside of their I'd better doing this in a youtube spacer, and if I get it, we wouldn't have as much arrow, and I would actually prosperity that I won't find had been asked to do with my life. I've had my move into a farm one day. You help me to me too,

dave congratulations. Thank you. So much will talk again. This is the best of land back programme. Blake J Harrison with us. Now he is the author of the book, the history of the future and welcome. Do it, how are you I am rates and in part, perhaps largely in part because of of you guys and and what you did for me to help get the word out about the book a few weeks ago. It really shit it's career, changing and therefore lysine link is my light. My life is micro and the others. That's nice of you to say, but you deserve it. The book is fantastic in. If we lived in a fair world it would have been.

Reviewed and would have been everywhere because of the information in it is phenomenal. Not only is it just riveting story about one of the greatest entrepreneurs, I think- and you know in the last five years, at least in theirs. You know we're talking about Ilan Mosque in Europe. Some crazy entrepreneurs Palmer Lucky he's this guy, who is you know, was a kid and broke. Code for a vcr end and came up with oculists. What what were you is doing when you're in nineteen years old, you're, not ass. I certainly wasn't starting aiming, I believe, not accompany, and so you started to do that story and halfway through the election. Happens and polymer is for Trump, and all these things are it to be said by Facebook, people and others about Palmer. You

No, those things are true and you start to find out that so people that you really had high hopes on Facebook and and Mark sucker were not what you thought and they actually pretty nefarious absolutely I'm here and in particular, to regards one was with Palmer in the story that I was covering you know said POP Palmer posted that he would be supporting Gary Johnson in their twenty sixteen election which, by the way he did and voting for carry Johnson not not of his own choice. But because it was suggested him by the lawyers that, because at a trial coming up, it would be best for him to follow through. We learn, evening me I'm not kidding you. So I guess you because it as an ally that he was pretty arrogance. It just wasn't his own will, since the statement had been written by Mark Zuckerberg. Do you have to tell the story about how you figured out? It was

look is this. Is this is just a great piece of journalism right here? As I hear me, I wrote you something and here It's the meanings like a by the way of this, because of the way you write your emails. This is how I figured out that Palmer had not written that, unlike what yeah so so. What that actually means is that most people, after the end of a sentence, will use one space after a period, but but people who

grew up a typewriters and for some reason, partner, Lucky used to spaces in here you used to spaces and and so Palmer's post, in which he said he was gonna, be supporting Gary Johnson, which was suspicious to me anyway. I knew we talked so many hours about why he supporting Trump Palmer's post had one space, which was the first time on any of his face for posts over the years that he had once been. So I thought that was suspicious. I honestly don't know at the time that the region Why was because Mark Zuckerberg wrote that and he had to post it, but but that was really set me off, so that was like my eye. One good Sherlock Holmes, moments and pretty proud of notice. I won't let me be clear here that, by the way is an I mean to spaces is the correct way. Yes, MRS right, yes and will also the region

I was so aware of. That was because, when people leaked me Emil's, they oftentimes took photos of the email and sent it to me instead of forwarding it, because that would create a paper trail, and so I would transcribed these things and Palmer was often on the threads of when people with cherished up with me. So I was used to it, but I would also say that John Carmack, who is one of the most brilliant people in the world and who help discover, Palmer and is now it occupies us you know he also uses to space, so I will Polly concede that would fetch you guys, I'm doing it wrong grinds by it's just a little tap of one finger man. Why did you so? Could you go back to the beginning of this a little bit and because it's one thing to say it's a great entrepreneurial story of a guy in a trailer coming up with something that the best people in tech had tried to do for a while and had been given up on that point? How on earth does he actually do this? Well? How does it cover, had a crack. This code, or part of it, is exactly what you said the most the people had given up on it. So heat Palmer

a genius and a great entrepreneur and all that, but it is partly just because he was one of let's say less than a hundred people in the world who still care that cared about and believed in virtual reality and so You know he's shocking idea, edges, yes, it and as such as a straight line sort of development, but I am so the way were immersed in everything any style. He wasn't. He wasn't trying to crack it be

as I'm gonna get rich three really believed in it. Well, that's really the thing that I think that you find with most successful entrepreneurs or even the entrepreneurial side of writing, as I had seven years failed screenwriter than when I finally wrote something the first time in my life, which was councillors not for money. That was the thing that cracked, because that was passion, fury and Palmer. He's he's he's a gamer at heart, and so he just wanted to step into the screen and actually feel like he was in the game, so was for his own selfish passion filled reasons, and I was telling Glennie yesterday that the book starts in April twenty twelve when he starts oculists any connects with John tarmac in this whole crazy ride. The ends with solid facebook for three does not start, but there's really a whole story that is ignored by the three years before that of how he crack this code and why he did it and all that. But you know it's

surprising in retrospect that he did because look what he's doing now has a new company under all and they are coming up with great border solutions there. In that event, the defence business, the glimmering technological solutions to it. So you know why lightning doesn't just happened to strike these people, whether its Elon Musk, with Tesla Space, Axiom, there's something about these kinds of people, whether it's their brilliance, their ability to get other people on board. And Palmer Lucky, just one of those people that I know for the next. Fifty years he's gonna keep dazzling swells likely their privilege But it true because to me- and I think to view too- is the ultimate rags richest story. This living in a trailer and I remember somebody wants posters and, unlike that on, read it and there are people No, it's not a rag to which a story he's in a white male privilege and unlike He could have been anyone an when, Carmack reached out ten which set resulting in those in January.

To somebody Palmer check that could have been anyone. How can a view that have to do something with this, but you started So, like a conservative- and I have heard this- let me just talk about. We were just talking about Dave, Reuben and about how he's beings shut out in their turn. It shut him down it at Youtube. Stephen prouder, the same thing. Happening with him. You have. You have had dealings with journalists in a completely different way. I mean you, Euro, liberal, more of a classic liberal I would think what you considered yourself a regular straight. I've always loaded Democrats, since, as far back as John carrying an. And then you things have kind of changed for you, because you are starting to see the same thing that we ve found on our side. Holy cow, some of the people on our side really

sort of stand for what I thought we all stood for raw, and can you can you go over some of the emails, the Gatt? I brought some some give so there is. I pull these because there is a great article on niche gamer by Sophia Norwich, whose, a games writer and she was curious about my interactions and dealings with journalists and to her credit, was the only person who reached out to me about it. So I was happy share my experiences, and so I pulled up some of my emails from from private conversations that I had with with game and texture. Analysts too, I considered either friends or appears colleagues, I have relationship with them. I were asking you about. Ok, come on, tell us he's really a racist or whatever and and you are, you are answering them honestly and they really didn't have any intent of listening right, the one those

but yes, it was. I I actually spent two hours on the phone with someone who are considered a friend. I mean I've spent two hours on the phone them and he was asking if Palmer was a white supremacist, and I said I can't tell you within his heart, but as someone who knows and Polly better than anyone in the world but his girlfriend now, absolutely no. You know you can go back to of opulence. The first three three people he hired were an asian guy in indian Guy and bisexual guy, like you know that he just doesn't care about that stuff an end and at the end of this call the person said. Well, I guess I got your saying but where's the smoking I want, the proof that he's not a white supremacist unless it. How can I give you the print that he's not sometimes isn't in here was a few a few responses. I got waters.

Privately to journalists after I had done this research and said for years. Yes, you guys were wrong, like you should correct your article or or do you have any by or tell me your push back for why? You think I am wrong, but I do want to publish this book if I'm missing something and these articles with justice to reset this part of it, because he people had blamed him after he has come out in supported Trump and was not even in a major public way, but he made a small donation to one. You know a political, position and peered at one rally wasn't hiding, but he wasn't a means featured speaker. Anything right was largely that the organization you don't need to people would say. Oh, it was not just a harmless organization that this organisation nimble America. Their plan was, their actual plan, was to put up billboards. Cross. America mean like billboard, just like more like younger on yeah. Certainly nothing offensive about them, but people said people interpreted that as that there are going to put up here that they had put up hateful mean

across the internet, and this first of all, a journalism error like that you mean like Reich's, quite they'd, only put up one was not yet learned in the entire history of nimble, America. They put up one billboard ever what it is. It said, controversially, too big to jail and had a picture of Henry Clinton the blaze radio network on demand,