So do you think we're ready closer to the truth on any of stuff work getting there. I think you know I mean I do. I do think there was a big piece. It from what you need to talk about the big piece it came out in vanity, fair, along with pro public overheating of the right to say that it looks like a more likely than not. It was a lovely that car models of eighteen. I was shocked by that, could ass they weren't ban yeah. They were not there, and so it's ok to do. This reporting in retrospect you can say hey, you know what well what an amazing thing time that was when we all thought that it was. it was it was. It was at that that I'll see you don't have to color. I have two fact check you. We all did We all didn't. We all got a point. There was a lot of people saying wait a minute this this, and this does not add up. What's the problem here and then we were all kicked off of social media, so no one heard it from a skin we're in that window right now we're a week from an election

and they are not going to let anything come out tat dead, screws up this narrative nodded after the election is not about that wills with the election, just not against the republic, the democratic, what they want to be there. If will be the narrative for the next week. You gotta be really on your toes right now, hey tomorrow, we start live streaming. The first hour of this podcast on youtube in case you want to watch it that's a fun gap. Help us get to a million subscribers and we just started doing youtube. For me, what two years ago we never really focused on an unfortunate, unfortunately, the agenda which we had a yet another. Well, I'm stephen crowded, with just banned from you, took until after the election is interesting, this is what I'm talking about. I know I know so we'll see how long we last and in the next five days. But it's on youtube in today's show is great. We talk about pop losin, nance blowsy. What The real story is on on that and so much more, including

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I gray, unleashed lopez, pat hello, going. Oh it's good to have you all love your costume, that is the best ask. I've ever seen. Thank you, scary. As hell yeah really yeah so do I need ours, have really eight hours, villages, mass holy cow, it's well! It's good, newtons, good, don't know exactly who you're supposed to be, but really good So what are your thoughts on the nancy policy? The shooting I think that what we want, what story breaking any one know down another nancy policies, husband being hammered can't you see that either as a whole different earlier. I e the debacle that happened at the policy compound yeah. Well dressed right wing kooks for isn't it That's what they do. That's what the white, supremacists and magua republicans! That's what they do me

muggah from ngos, magua republicans incredibly violent. I think gonna find, I think, there's some other things going on naming the guy. When you go to his house, Michael shell, hamburger did a really good article is joining us by the way and isn't half an hour, yeah yeah. It's really good, I mean go to his house and take a look around and then tell me the guys right wing, magua republic right he's living lies matter yet living in a bar sees practically homeless. He's he's not. There can't be a imago republican and be homeless. I just don't know that But do you know a lot of homeless people? A few of you? Do you hear, and they have you offered them? Maybe some help Andrea a sandwich, but then I got behind for hours. Unless that you could help us

but then the the algae bt rainbow flag is another telltale sign of maugre republicanism. There's a lamb sign that b. L m sign of all of that when the hemp bracelet making that how many him bracelets of EU aid right, necklaces and hemp bracelets and the fact that he was No, if it was a traditional marriage but mary to the other girl who had a nude wedding in san francisco city hall, either does seem to be sooner nudism goin on the one hand, and she also got her older son, to try to deliver, of letters to this honour age boy that she wanted to escape. With I mean if it's not the moral bunch I already know that the majority yeah it's like I listen to. I can't even tell you how many you do

in stream media podcast this weekend to try to get to understand bright, the narrative and what they were telling us into what was strokes. I what I like to know whether you have to know we have to know- and I if the viewpoint is that this person was a left wing, hippy nudist for many many years who oh The recent future went through some sort of transformation and became a right wing figure. I don't blame the Democrats. Guidance democrats. I don't blame the republicans for that, but doubling the media, because every single one of these stories went through the recent posing including that worked gub, this person, followed god The daily wire Jordan peterson

josie the right wing people that he followed on his face book, but just recently, yet, just recently you not owned lewd, though his entire left like a flag. Let his houses is the anti crisis, not an oh yeah, yeah Jesus, it's another thing wise! You know. If you listen this programme, how anti Jesus would arrive, see why you fan but he also believed he was Jesus for It seems like over a year. He believed he was Jesus, but like you, how can you, if you are an honest media organism, and I know I wasn't listening to them, but which is the problem here but like If you are honest you would mention both right. You might mention. Ok, look. He has some conspiracy theories on there. He had anti semitism on there. He had left wing. Nudism stop is yet to be alarmed sign. I mean it's easy, I think,

come to the conclusion that this was not a story of political extremism. There was a story of someone who did drugs for multiple right and now his mind up and right now he's, but here's the thing there. Even saying I don't remember which paper was born of the you know, l times new york times of the post, but there are some. Even even if he was crazy. It's still a dangerous rhetoric that fed into his head Let me ask you this: did we ban jody foster. When Hinkley exert. I just why wanted to impress or cause? I love her and I were oliver movies- and I thought this- would impress her and he tried to kill ronald reagan. Was there one peep of saint, jody fosters. We got a book pants and a big hold on that woman make sure she looks very unattractive or banner movies, now

there is no talk of that and I am sure that it would be the same approach to a story like that. Yes, just like, by the way we did not blame Bernie sanders for his own. His campaign volunteer, trying to shoot ten percent of all electric elected republicans in Washington DC. By the way you can, I ask Why the concern here about this sky and the guy who flew in, I think from San francisco to kill cavanaugh gap, what might not recently has ever just like gone but only cover and nobody cared haired did do, we do well the sunday news programmes that weak didn't cover the cabinets uncover didn't even cover it didn't mention it. My gotta meet cover it now, of course, the difference here is number one they get to blame the other side and number two. We are eight days away from an election and enable do anything to an issue that you get the to get these sea

to go the right way, so they will not report when we are in the hunter Biden window. Here we learn about the truth. Hunter Biden from the mainstream media, a proxy lie one year after it's relevant to an election, and one year before it's relevant to an election as far away from an election is possible. Well, now that we're a week, we are in full fledged hunter Biden, the one hundred byte window, where media seems to have completely its themselves. They can abandon all all appearance of journal, to try to win this election to do any they can to flip one or two seats here or there in in an area that might have gone red, make them go blue anything we do, that's where they are right now, so you really the mainstream is all would never has sufficient bay of trust that we should all be believing exists, but I will say now you have to you complete anything. They say you

but if anything they say for the next week, I can't I have to tell you that they say in all these crazy conspiracies what ll the one that Hillary Clinton is currently pushing about the twenty twenty four election, saying that it's all gonna be stolen by the Republicans, all saying that there is a giant cabal of mega people out there that just want to destroy the country that we are against, democracy, which in a way we are wherefore republic, democracy. But that's beside the point all of these things that they have been saying Russia gate. All of this, Joe Biden is clean. There's no visa, cleanest, glean guy federation. Is completely healthy and ready to serve. This is incorrect. bull coming from these people they wonder why conspiracy theories bubble up, why

well because somebody think something's wrong and let me use We use the left or the right doing something wrong. That causes conspiracy theories denial, the commission, excusing what his name that came out with the underpass sandy burger who went into the national archives zoram. Think of this with what we it's gone through. We donald trump. Sandy. Berger goes in asks for the presidential archives for george h, w bush and bill Clinton, opens them up. It's about saudi arabia, something about relationships. We don't really know any more than that puts in his underpants Lee. He's gone across the street strong. A few by the time, the national archives run out to catch him and get the rest of the and he's only lou,

He only lost his security clearance for a year. You want to know why there's a conspiracy theory around nine eleven? because you didn't explain that you didn't come clean and explain that and so people feel in the blanks when some, it doesn't make sense, they try. Make sense of it, Anyone who is giving them lines a bull, crap and just doesn't say what we said earlier this morning. We know what happened, but here Some questions that need to be answered. Those people are not furthering conspiracy theories. Those people who ask questions these are the ones that create the conspiracy. Are they were the ones who create the conspiracy theory, look at people like us and say: could there even questioning this? How could they possibly question

we told you what it was. Ok show us just shows the tape. You show us the way the guy get men that that would that would help show us except to us why he downloaded all of those posts- these were easy posts, why repose them all in one day, can you explain that it's fine if he did. Maybe he did it that way, but that seems weird something that would be notable. Yeah I mean look, he is, I think he is insane and I think he has a wealth of drug problem and so there's the number one thing there's a number one. Did you not? Did you know that he was a nice but are not jail? I didn't know now. Did you know yet? Neither did I nearby till this morning he in the hospital. Well, ok, Was he hurt? or is that a psychiatric hospital, because that

some important information where's the answer on that right now. The only goal is to make sure that republicans are blamed for this year, so that adults can be cast in the right erection? Well, here's the thing. I think this makes people even more determined to vote. You must and this madness it has to end it has to end The first step is voting on tuesday and not just forget. about just the national politics. Look at you! local pilot. I used to I told my family other day for the first time in my life republican lever all the way down. I've never done that. Never have I done that, all the way down or you what you mean you ve, never voted like straight party just get hitting the law

further does all yeah basically be out and tell you we need people in. our states we have a chance of of having I thought forty states or thirty seven states. That would be all republican republican governor report. Again is like in the twenties that it would be republican house and senate so the legislature and everybody involved would be a Republican that that will. stop. The nonsense in washington. States have the our to do it and I'm thrilled to see that People are acting the you're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. Michael. How are you, sir great great to be back when thank you so much for all your hard work on this world.

You haven't me on me by the thought about it. Ok, so tell me tell me what you have found what's true: what's not true look. What we know is that this is somebody who, according to multiple witnesses, including the mother of his children, struggling with mental illness for over a decade? We know he was homeless for a while, we know there was extensive drug use. You know we mental illness, serious mental assets, schizophrenia and by port sort of a pretty rare, but we do see a lot of drug induced mental illness and particularly from methamphetamine use, but certainly other drugs over time can cause psychosis, which is, of course, the the classic, you know have not been able to tell the difference between reality in your imagination, and so it's obvious here is that the alleged suspects in the attack

on nancy policies. Husband was in the grip of psychosis and to blame political ideology, is just what you said at the equivalent of blaming martin scorsese for making the movie taxi driver for john the general attack on ronald reagan. It's it's the this, the the crazy idea, expressed in the blog posts of the alleged attack or policy are themselves the aims of the underlying psychosis, its incorrect, appoint to them as the cause, so why her this morning that he is in the hospital or was this weekend where those injuries. Or is he in a psych. we'd, I dont know I could be both. You know, I think a piece you know it It, wouldn't you wouldn't be hospitalized long term if he's in a hospital who beheld will be diagnosed by a psychiatrist,

we'll find out soon. I mean I think that the good news is that we, the truth, gets out. It was obvious to me because, of course, I'm very close to this. I wrote a whole book about this him at last year. It was he asked me as soon as I heard about who he was and start talking to his neighbors. his family members that this was some the that was unwell, and this was the result of a sickness. I was disturbed by how quickly, even so called mainstream journal were to basically go and blame conservatives blame republic, You know if some they were to be like. I read Michael, shall ambergris book and that's why I can this crime, it would be inappropriate to the boy me for that crime, and I think everybody knows that, but in this toxic political environment, I think it's important to remind people that we never blamed Bernie sanders ever. In fact, we were clear on day one.

and bernie sanders fault, that one of his supporters went and tried to kill all the republicans in congress that raise ridiculous horse, of course, yeah sorry to see any. Basically, I had one episode in particular. There is the same Our rapporteur, who supposedly like focused on disinformation, add NBC news. Came out and he tweeted my my reporting and said o. My report had been de because there's all these blog posts showing that this aspect in the attack, had written crazy things, including some right wing things, but also things about ferries and demons and our disturbing, because I I, however, hard time believing that that journalists, didn't know that what was driving this aspect was sight was mental illness or psychosis.

Really appeared that he was deliberately misleading people in order to engage in partisan political behaviour just ten days before an election, and I thought it just think on twitter- I mean if you watch meet the press yesterday, chuck Todd's programme on NBC. The whole programme was basically dedicated to this topic and at no point in Many of the programme did they even discuss. The fact of the suspect was clearly in a psychotic stay. suffering from delusions under long term drug use instead chuck todd dumb, made the whole show about political, radical nation and ideas, and I just think that's terrible reporting. I think very partisan. I want speculate as the motives of the It was but a wider bad journalism or its its motivated by policy is it worse, that they did that or that when Cavanaugh, the guy from California came to kill cavenaugh, they didn't eat and report it the sunday morning shows well I'm in that

the other thing. I wrote a book about this yesterday, glad in your absolutely right. I mean it's disturbing I I didn't really. I saw when the cabinet that nation happened a precise paid attention to it, but also There are many progressive and liberal people in my life who still not know that there was a serious assocation plot against supreme court justice, brick coffin because it was not covered for act in an aching close to this has just, as you said three days after that, as our nation plot was revealed, None of the sunday talk shows read about it. The new york times buried the story on page eight, twenty, the policy at that nation alleges assassination attempt was on the front page there times. Two days in a row. You know Video thing about it is that the the suspect in the cabin are killing was clearly motivated by his pro choice and his programme can views. Own lawyers last week said that he was

mentally fit to stand trial. In other words, it appears and again this the more information the com and I dont get ahead of it, but it appears as though the suspect in the cabin I'll play was genuinely motivated by political fanaticism, not by mental illness, whereas in the policy case clearly, was driven by psychosis, mental illness drugging, do store or underlying we don't know, but the media basically were reversed those two stories and did not then in covered the policy plot attempt as though it were driven by political fanaticism rather than by psychosis. It is incredible, eat you are from the area I call on. You were doubt you were down their rights. These are some of these interviews. We ve seen when you were there right, ass. It was, I was I mean I think it some. a journalist at heart, and so it's not that far from my house and I went down there and I interviewed all neighbours, I mean I'd I'll. Tell you a couple of shocking things. I

I will name names, but I was not impressed by the reporting of the journalist good journalism that you go and knock on all the doors and you interview as many people as you can, I was one doing out? There was A laziness here there's a lot and it's also the partisanship and the laziness are related, because if you have the idea that this was a trunk supporter who went after lucy, then you don't want to go and get to the bottom of the other stuff. You don't want to go. Do does interviews. You want to stick with your little story said I was that was part of it, and then you know like there's. Just that really you know when you get into a glance. As you might imagine it's a tragic story. I mean it's. It's drug use it at a failure. The x ray the mother of his two kids is in print and for a basically child molestation. She was crazy person, so she herself is something

setting, surprise a personality, disorder and also long term drug use, the kids in that house. They apparently weren't going to school. I mean, is a real you. It's basically a symptom of exactly the problems I described in San francisco, which is that we ve stopped enforcing basic laws and when you stop enforcing laws against people, are suffering mental illness or or addicted to hard drugs. They don't get that I hope they need- and I think that's part of the weapon here- is that this tragedy, it could have been avoided if we enforced basic laws. and mandated drug treatment and psychiatric care for the people who need it. I'm you know it's not that everytime someone you arrest somebody for breaking a law that they have to go to prison or they have to be punished. Certainly some people do, but other people are just sick and I think they try. I think what we'll discover as as time goes on, is that the suspect in the policy

attack with somebody who was very ill and needed to get treatment mandated many many years ago, but didn't get it because we're in the grip of frankly, some pretty radical, left locally did you see the ipad? by gosh who was it shoot lost his name guy who were who just wrote this weekend about the you know opt out about tat cotton at the new york times and how yeah he he's he's an object. Columnist and he I didn't say anything about it. He said because We were afraid to when you said a minute ago that you know they don't I find it yeah how many are afraid to do their job? burn in journalism. Well, I afraid. I mean, I think, there's a lot of you. You know my story, I mean I came from the radical laughed. I consider myself a moderate I'm an inner politically independent

But buddy I mean I was afraid on everything, and you know Hardly you worry about losing your friends. You worry about upsetting your family. You worry about no longer being able to make a living. You know what you're describing the column by washington post reporter era, example, yeah when the rights of media common and he basically to its credit, There was an ambivalent reaction to it. Interestingly enough, but basically to his credit, he came out and said it was wrong for the new york times to fire. It's op, ed page editor who ran. Of course, this are bad by senator cotton arguing for the use of the other guard in: u s, troops tip, down beriah. While he was not only the earlier times because of outraged by its woke journalists, staff they basically dinner, the epp ed? They fired the other page editor, everybody washed, his hat I knew it was wrong and in answer to his credit, wherever one

like two years ago now, this calmness of the washington post but that was wrong. You know, I think it's good, that you know it's better late than never and he's one of the first people to say it. But yeah I mean it's, it's almost a it's a kind of um yeah, so if you're worried about your friends and your family, but it's also a financial fear. Like am I going to get fired from my job yeah. This is um. This is really serious stuff and I think that the partisanship and you always emphasize setting aside important you know we need to allow disagreements in our diet we need to appreciate and rewarded. I always kind of I'm always shocked by how many people, instead of me, like. Oh, I disagree with you there like. You, should stop saying that Russia is also lies right. We're Michael Shallenberg, I think Michael because you have experience in your family with schizophrenia. I think it was your aunt. Yes, yes, you so you ve seen at first hand.

can you hear me mean it's sting? Of course you know when you were a child, You were in an ill. She, she would say crazy things. You know it your parents have to explain to you what that what's going on, and it is a little scary. Of course it helps to have your parents there to kind of talk you through it, but yeah. She thought that The president of the united states, I think at the time it was forwarder yang us forward in nixon They were communicating with her directly to the television set. You know- Oh, I think, there's a reaction you'll have to this case where they go? Ok. Maybe he was psychotic, but there's all these terrible conspiracy. he's out there in those years stop well know. First of all, it is like freedom of speech, and I mean that we actually let people have conspiracy theories. We let people believe all sorts of things as a point of a free society,

so the idea that we're gonna get rid of certain ideas is a very bad road to go down by the more. The other thing is suspended, psychotic always find some justification for it. behaviors, that's different then suggested those are the motivations. I do think this is something that people can get better. think about it from which is that we noticed this river everybody rate is that, like you, I have a motivation to do something, but you might give a different reason for why you did. It wrote some people that are psychotic. They give crazier reasons often, but in the, the case of what I look at this case, and I suspect now. What will discover that this? As somebody who was lost. Ye re asked his wife and kids, some you, didn't, was unable hold on a good job. He was using heavy drugs. His motivation,

Probably, to somehow make his life better as crazy as that sound to be a hero or something like tat. He had some story in his head about how he was gonna become a hero. This often, these guys think by making this attack and that that's, ultimately, I was driving at night, not like you know, not radical, so I a buddy there is some. There are few things about the story that I dont know there? True or not? I I you know I I look at these things and the reason why we have a plethora of of conspiracy theories is because We no longer trust the media. We no longer trust the government to tell us anything close to the truth. And then there are these things that just kind of hang out in the air and oh buddy explains them and a dozen fit in with the whip story line that the media is is going for

first of all, right does not make sense to you. You think. That's where I am mean. Look! Here's here. You know the media. There there artisan now right, maybe it's maybe they ve always span, although I do think that there is no doubt that has gotten worse matters, so It happened a rush to make this a story about why you should not vote for republicans the Glenn Beck program. The ziglar is with us. He's got a new podcast out, which is fantastic. I listened to it this weekend. The death of journalism. he is the co host there and we have several things we want to talk to about that that come about with the death of journal hello, John. How are you I'm doing well happy halloween, yeah, yeah yeah sound like you're in the mood

audrey on kid. It's a young ol, it's yeah yeah! I know okay, so so John, let's start in san francisco with Paul policy. What is your take on this, we know being a I who, when given a bone never ever releases it. What is really happening here well I have a pretty unique gunners one I'm I I everybody's wrong the azure gaston last hour said there is no question that the initial left wing narrative this was some sort of a mega attack is utterly ridiculous. I do not believe, in that at all I'm. I am very suspicious of the where's nancy comment and that could have been said or orange setting a very, very different context. I think dad.

There's a lot of unanswered questions here. I totally get the scepticism and they scepticism. Glance on the right in this story is off the charred. I've been spreading most last three days. social media interact. They would people about this and there absolutely no trust at all in the official. Version of events, and I understand me there's no question: there should deny one one should be relieved. The body can footage security footage. I I I understand why people are asking questions about this, official narrative gazebo the official narrative, is utterly hilarious right, but you, but you do How do you do have to recognise at some point the media ass too, that there the and causing the consumer see theories binding, not just laying the evidence out. I glenn that what you said the most important point of any and all that its way bigger than what really did or did not happen with.

Pelosi and a large part of our by gas, the death of journalism and presents the election conspiracies. I blame the news media for a large part of ad because of the way they do You know how I feel about donald trump. They treated trump horrendous labour for years lou it's not a shock. His supporters, don't trust when you tell them that the elections are right, that's it! So that's the media's fault not entirely, but in large part. But, let's let me go back to Pelosi for a second, so we're prefacing, my my The answer to your very good question with I totally get the scepticism, and I totally get. I really get the deep, deep desire people on the right, the laughter aided on theirs because of their their roger to judgment that this was a mega guy, but what you on my dear with the tweeting of the the gay sex gone wrong theory and Susan, some other very brown right? Wingers jumping all over that, I think, was a huge mistake because I'll they got

the only makes any sense either. Some I was really strange. Things happen, thumb sometimes job we He really kills himself in prison and somehow able to do that so sometimes o J simpson kills his wife with a friend who just happens to be coming by. At that moment I mean the that's the way it is often very weird now- and I say it again- We should be asking questions we should especially this close to election by the gay sex gone wrong theory. I have huge problems away. And I think that, in a way here, conservative should have focused on debunking the maggots man and making this a crime issue an abyss. We tried to use a sport analogy, I feel go and potentially a gaunt were on board I'm gonna pick sex. I just I don't I don't like the conservatives who do

we liberals are doing, which is rushing the judgment without all the five bright and an that's, I think very struggles, and this is a problem on both sides. But the latter clearly started this. So oh, let's sub. So so, let's go through a couple of things that don't make sense to you that you think need to be explained. Well, I think a large part of what is happening on the right is: did the fog of war is being interpreted in a way that they want to see the story girl and when you know I've become very well known for the banking. These types of stories right, I have a rule. I have a rule that if I want an outcome to be the case, I am requiring two or three times as much aberdeen me too me in that direction. You you have to do it that way could you have to adjust for your own biases and instead conservatism.

Or people in right on this story are going in the other direction there taking fragments of stopped. It happened. in the middle of the night, and the Mitchell report must be clear that when the media again, but nobody is not just terrible costs, thereby the terrible when it comes to getting details right there just awful and saw us other elements rachel reporting that are still being used like, for instance, that there was a third person open the door that their deadly it all the elite. The policy referred to the suspect as a friend, almost any other. This aspect may have been born. make it or it is underwear all those things are now and dispute and are important points of this Well, our narrative, hang I just second, the the one that says he was a friend is, I don't believe you in dispute. I think that's actually on the tape, and I I I think it actually works to say that the story is

as as you believe it is an as I believe it is. This. Not job comes in the house. I think all policy was beekeeping somewhat in code, because he said yes he's waiting for my wife, he's gonna, wait for my wife and and he's a friend I think I was. I think he was playing that to the police because they were just gonna, do regular dispatch. The lady fell level, the woman who was at dispatch as felt something I was really wrong and hit the. I don't know what you call the red alert, but everybody race to the place, guess she knew he didn't sound right. That's a good question really good analysis. There are glen and m, and, and so what you know and then you're using the kind of thought process. I use. I go through okay, what's the official story and is there a plausible exit

asian for everything he had been told, and that is a very plausible explanation, because we know this guy was not ok right that so hell bent? But can you be nuts and take? a website that's been there for fifteen years and dormant and all of a sudden hop on a few days before and post stuff that looks like you. Ve been sitting for a year or so right? And it's all crazy stuff? Well that that's a very gosh nature, and I totally agree that that should be investigated for, in the words of should be. I mention towards evening that points towards the the mega attack. Fear on this, because that it is a situation that very much like I already excoriated the right for the beloved desperately want

to be true right. Always it's always one of the key points in evaluating any anyway story. How much does the media want it to be true and they desperately ten days of mortal action once a mega attack story to be true up, so I guess I'm playing a pox on both on all sides here, but I do know the I wish. Why can't we just wait, Why can't we just wait for the facts now and demand that the footage we release by one one call be released. Minutes is a clearly mary, politically charged story. Just before major election involving the husband of Nancy blowsy luck. I get network conservatives, it very varied. Called to believe that a straight man could be married to Nancy Pelosi. Twelve yeah, that's would I happen to know people have known paul Pelosi. Since his days at georgetown I went to georgetown my father went there there's

It was about him being gay, okay. That was also you know what else there isn't glenn in the in the last three days since the story broke. nobody coming forward to say they've had gay sex with a suspect would be the case right now with all the media coverage, just as as as as in it can create a ingrate law unless Hillary Clinton had them all killed yeah. I forgot about that. I don't I haven't as much I cause. I. I have seen a couple posts about the the this theory you're you're, mentioning it. You know I I haven't seen as much coverage on that, so I I dunno much about that part of it, but I I do think Part of the reason why we don't get the facts on this one right away is the Actions eight days away this kid: we can't No. The whole story here, which appears to be just a lunatic doing something crazy weak. And have their whole story, because they need to use it for eight days after eight days will have

the thing that we're getting now with, like, let's say, covert right, we're we're getting all well those locked down to the schools weren't such a good idea, we'll get those after the fact week. We they cannot give us anything other than this was january, six related, at least for the next eight days. I agree totally and its frustrating is how and I we should fight back against that with everything we have. That vote mention the elon musk thing and see that to me is what put that the gay sex gone one theory into the stratosphere and and may have caused great damage, because obviously mosque is under a microscope right, our and he is being destroyed grabbing a shared. Why a link that I never would have even dreamed of sharing and and here he is obviously of great prominence and being looked at with great scrutiny, and I thank you

I lost a lot of sway that he may have had previously with people that are in the middle, and now the media is making him into anatomy all over a story that not all He was incredible I'll. Let you know it is: it is not well and in abbe shocked if it turns out that this is anything close, do what theory entailed and, like I said there were other prominent. right wing. Can commentators who jumped all over, but still your point is really well taken I'm continuum with the media. Is a real issue, because we are now living in an age where you ve gotta, get the story out immediately. Social media reacts we ve come up with. narrative the better our employers and that's the story and we're stuck into it. But does it matter in and by the time it I've come out. No one cares and you can we say a couple of minutes here on James Gordon meek. He's

he's the guy who was an abc journalist. Working on a book about the disaster in afghanistan was picked up by somebody in black vans in front of his house back in April. There's witness is to it he was thrown into the Van then he hasn't been seen since and I was in a meeting yesterday were in my guys, were like we're not getting anywhere on this and I'm like. I know somebody. I know somebody who won't sleep until he figures this one out. You ve done and an initial look into this james Gordon make disappearance. And what have you found? Well, you know it was reporting on this I find to be very interesting or because there there have been two major stories, one by rolling stone, one by the daily beast, which kinda contradict each other, yes and in critical ways, and I

again it's hard to determine. I watch incompetence, the news media, which I'm always first, that's always where I go. First, a in the modern news media is incompetence, and I, I frankly think that the rolling stone story may have been a greatly incompetent. You know. It's a shame, though, gland that we don't have a news outward. There would be a special on trade into the story. I don't like like these, where the guy with a guy for four years and was very very prominent and of events, they're scrubbing from news stories that he was the producer for David Muir, a you know the cause of whether we're going to pretend that this guy never existed before a lot. This is one of those. This is one of those ass stories. That exposes a lot of what we talked about meant in the previous segment that the lack of trust in all interested. genes, the media, the before I.

I elements of our government is so low, so catastrophically well that all bets are off now and at all genes are relevant and even sometimes things it ends up being conspiracy theories very rational people, because that's the we are now living in their weekly worthy of note. We no longer have any reason to trust what we are being told. that's the really scary poured forth. What really happened here. You know that the theory that this demand maybe you do with his abc work. I think, makes some sense, because there is no evidence that he went to a b c and said: hey, protect me here, because that would make some sends right if you're, if you're working at a b c- and you know you're being accused of having like classified information related to your work, the first thing you're going to do to protect yourself is go to the giant. abc lose their lawyers Roy? What abbe that it did not happen here. So I wish we had

information. This is a story. I think we absolutely should keep an eye on, but I dont currently In answer to the to the physical you, what really add, there's too many things here that just are just just raw on it. It needs need some. Answers and it might be nonsense. areas might be the guy just stir. You know this freaked out live in, but there is It's it's just too weird, John, before you go? I want to tell you. I listened to your your podcast, your who's, your co host. What's her name live, be she's, a former news anchor and sports anchor here in LOS angeles and a professor of journalism about argues university, see if she told the story about losing was at her parents. Her model under your mother on with cove iD and if it was so powerful and that's where you're beginning Death of journalism is on co head and what journalist

did and didn't do powerful stuff. John, it's right up your alley, really great podcast. thanks so much gonna people check out the depth. The journalism appreciate your time. You got it John Ziegler, the death of journalism wherever you get your podcast