When you go on holiday. There is no finer achievement, then doing absolutely nothing on the beach, nothing by the poor working kind of nowhere and chatting about nothing as an expedient member. You can save up to thirty percent when you add a hotel to your flight, so you can have a bit more money to go out there with great ambition. To do absolutely nothing expedient made to travel. Internet slang has a habit of becoming political grady. apple- is red pill, as in my body, watch ron, Paul's compilation on you too, but now it's red pelt, it's rare Prince to the matrix, you know, the scene, morpheus offers neo a blue pill and a red pill pick one of neo topics. The blue paley goes back into the fake world, never finds the truth, but maybe takes bill. He jumps into reality and he sees how far the rabbit whole actually cows,

The red pill is the tougher option, but it's the one that leads to freedom per. Metaphor, for what many of us go through politically be easier to believe, the media and hollywood in academia and the world economic forum and just go along it, be a lot easier if you are on that side of things. But if you want true freedom and truth. You gotta take them red pill which means rejecting the bogus narratives that your force fed by the elites, and that may even violate the things that you believe in you be like accra Now I really I gotta change that to me means we're all capable of independent thought and willing to be provocative to step out of line or here's gets tricky once you take the red pill. There are two directions you can go from there. You can take the black pearl the white pearl the black pill.

Is bitterness. It means the world is ruined. There's no point in saving at you know. Everything is just a miserable. Its elysium hopelessness, destruction and doom, and quite honestly, a lot of people have taken the black pearl. Some would include anarchy on that list, but today's guest is an anarchist Doreen not the intifada kind, he's thee keep the stayed away from my freedom and my business capitalism kind. He also has a very, very dark sense of humour and a habit of saying and doing unexpected things so, makes sense that he would be a black pill, aye, but he's not. He chose the white pearl. He chooses hope he its cynicism and over the last few years he seen more and more people taking the black pill. Then he credits his efforts and we're gonna talk about today, actually from an experience that he had here at the a blaze. He felt the road

people that he met that had taken the black bill, the white pill. is his book, but tale of good and evil. It documents the rise in the fall of the soviet union with the heroes and villains that made it happen, he told me he was inspired it. spire to write it because of his visit here and he needed to make sure everybody Have the white pearl. It is a fascinating book available online, but also audio. Please he's welcome its author and, friend Michael malice, before we to Michael. Let me tell you about purifying the air in your home and get healthy, clean, fresh smelling. Air. Eleven the odors kill mould. Mildew bacteria viruses, it's the eden pure thunder storm air purifier, and it uses oxy technology. actually sends out o three molecules into the air which seek out the orders in the pollutants in your own. Destroys them

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code glenn, so Michael don't read books about hills, and then these three of these four hot paves, I mean sure margaret. Answer she is quite a baby. So what's your fm k with them? My f, Okay, I don't know what that is, I'm too old. I can't really say it out loud. You know that you do not know what that it's a game. You play, you give people three choices and you do F Mk. No, mary she'll yeah. Ok already should be gap mama, I'm really. Maybe Margaret thatcher, maybe Margaret thatcher anyway,.

Explain for people, don't know what a white pill is lose the red pill, which is wake up from matrix right, yes, Lou pill go back to Keeping you'll forget all of this, the black hill is, I we're all doomed. Yes, no white pearl is there. Till his hope. Now. There is way too much black pill at this network and in consumer protection I mean I'm serious, because this book was partly inspired by the blaze. I was here last time I was on your podcasting and when I first started writing this book, it was very different cause. He was about the thought of Albert camus, whose philosopher whose enormous influence on me and I was going off to cease do and I think he was a middle stabbing. Someone or something you want to do. I don't remember at the dried blood everywhere I everywhere and they're going on about how your binds communism like that, I was thinking myself Do you guys know an

america's go and Helen hand basket, which I dont disagree with per se what I had an issue, it was this idea of you guys know how bad it can get right: for like when you say it's a rap and then I thought to myself. You know I don't know how bad things can get like how bad can societal get well just make going more point, and the other issue I had Is- and the most thinking is very specifically in the studio. The cold war was the primary school foreign policy issue for decades in this country for decades, illich literally not I'd, even though a number to the middle east pride number two, but everything was filtered through the view of america versus the soviet union.

The president of the presidential race senate races. This was the band in my childhood. It was known as evil versus good yeah and if it wasn't ambiguous- and this was one in part due to the actions of president reagan and prime minister margaret Thatcher and the pope and the pope, whose whose features in that book in my book that book my book and conservatives don't talk about it and I'm I'm sitting there, I'm thinking like we talk, the civil war which about world war. To this was in our lifetime. You can look in your times to tell the story. Why aren't you guys telling the story every five minutes and then one day, a couple months later, unlike hey jack assets higher for myself, you too stories. Why don't you tell that story? So that was part of the story. This was my message to conservatives about like guys so your big, push me little takes bow was so here's the thing that I think, as I saw your interview with dave reuben and you said neo conservatives don't get it and bubble

I think there's a like taking your perspective on this, because I think there's a couple of things: first of all the land as whitewash communism like crazy, like crazy. We know everything about hitler and what he did in the ovens and all of it. But nobody's really on the left, nobody's ever really taken and looked at I, like your book, does deep dive into communism of the black book of communist right guy that you want to know what communism read that one guy region there's more. people when you say oh he's a nazi somebody will say no he's not. I know I know I know I know we're not there, but this is the kind of philosophy when they say you're a communist. I don't think nobody ever says what not really a communist, because

communism is in this book and the black book of communism, but its way it starts its where it starts and I have felt I know the. Wait till in your book, I know I know the sentiment and I know it's true. Here's the thing that concerns a lot of people like me. I'm a jew in nineteen, thirty, nine, you come to me and say: bye now, ten. Forty seven is reels Reestablished Israel is back look you go. Ok, that's good, but. How do I get from nineteen? Thirty nine share to even nineteen forty five. You know to mean and your book really talks about this- this was

a long struggle because they man told it, all the way down to the children. Oh yeah and really did once peekaboo things to children. So want to get to the white pill, but keep in mind as your telling these stories I'm trying to find the white pill that doesn't take a generation, okay, well here. It is you're not a jew in nineteen, thirty, nine to germany here in amerika and I get your analogy, but the point being that there is it so to profound difference, you're, not even a canadian I'm quite serious, though, if you want to compare like says starting point even living in canada in twenty twenty three is an analogous to being a jewish person in nice. In thirty nine. So we're ok, let use it

I think we are in the thirties. I don't think we're at nineteen. Thirty nine kay these billing gas chambers nobody's seriously talking about exterminating and there's no there's. No, serious force out there for that, but we are on the road to either the darkest of communism, the darkest stuff of fascism. When, when you people saying the mob. Is china and you have ai being introduced and they've already perfected. That's the dream of Stalin and and and hitler when you have those directions. I'm yet. How do we stop from going there you're, not saying that we're just never gonna. Go there, I

I think we're ever going to go there as americans? I do not think we're ever going to end as we're going to do something cause hold on just a couple of things. First of all, I do not at all at think. I agree with Ronald reagan, who I quote in this book in ninety sixty four, when he gave his speech endorsing center goldwater for the presidency and the point of Jews, a huge, huge landslide, and he said if we lose freedom here, there's nowhere else to go correct. This is the last stand on earth and that's one of the chapter names as the last stand, so I am not at all saying that if we lose freedom here well, we can go to canada that I saying that all my point being something that why we're not in the nineteen thirty's is there's a gift online which shows state by state gun rights and went from various states in the eighties that long ago,

met, including the south, where you are allowed to get a gun and now constitutional carry. Is the law in, I think, a majority of states, so that is one enormous major difference agree that will stop us from becoming nazi germany or communist chart. China. Here's another big difference, and this is something I think. Maybe you and I disagree with a mere It is more divided than ever. That's good use have a dictatorship unless everyone's united, in fact, having cultural homogeneity and having everyone thinking with one thought, is the goal of every totalitarian dictator is. I know very well done with my work on north korea and the at school. Choice is state by state now, captain becoming the law the size of these are but did not just the sign. How do you persuade a population to all?

have one world view when their learning different things different schools. This is why just such a panic about not about having school choice, because if you are not controlling all the different mines in a generation that jig is up correct. So I, but the other thing I disagree about is we ve been on This path toward dictatorship, since nineteen twelve- and it has and in the thirties, sdr was effectively a dictator. He was setting prices. She was saying whether you can fire people. Eighty was putting people in internment camp right so and we survive that and in fact it's almost some of his atrocities are almost like a historical asterisk. So I think that perspective not set all at all. I mean the first two thirds of this book- is about how evil Things can get sorted out, saying people basically nice, I'm not saying that the people in power dont want the worst things imaginable, the point being

they don't always get what they want. So I agree with you. I want to know from you what makes. What is the difference? between you in today, as a pole, to somebody in nineteen thirty three that was saying It's one third of the people there are losing their losing power there actually share losing seats there. Never I mean evil has a way of you know working around and it wasn't until we do. You mean I ain't a thirty three america, nine, three, germany, germany, ok it they didn't, have the heart and mind of people until is thirty three thirty four. Then he starts chugging. You know what I mean sure and and then by nineteen thirty nine, it's it's it's gone right, but ooh

you're not saying that there is no reason to sit up and pay attention, because these things just couldn't Never ever them. What I'm saying is hitler? Wasn't a god right these people who are malevolent, who are again the subject of the book, the people who built the soviet union. They were not all knowing their all powerful in a certain context, but what they pulled up. in the thirties, in my view they couldn't pull off today. For several reasons. The first reason, in my view, is easy, it is to share information, I am building a country based on complete lies in fact north korea, which is my bailiwick theirs? It there's a song. They sing. This song says the whole world and visas, and there of the belief that people in other countries are living in. well the crime, ridden lands and they're all starving for and it's a disaster, and as soon as they leave it's like wait. A minute I've been lied to. You can do that in a small fish.

Google nation will you have complete control over all methods of communication, but even that has now changed, because, thanks to things like dvds and word of mouth with people smuggling from china, the north koreans understand that they are not doing so hot and they have had to change the propaganda accordingly and now they say: ok, we're poor, but we're maintaining our ratio. Ma am, I tried it and racial purity, but that is an eggs and ignore through real is of course the extreme. The point is there: so many lies that have, and put forward by the corporate press and government officials in this country are the decades but we can freely sit. scots them and in fact, even right now on twitter, someone puts out one of their crap enemy

the under it. They will have a virus, a label that says this is misinformation. This is taking things out of context. So the fact that I know that there is freedom of speeches in certain contexts under attack in this country, but the fact that There is an increasing number of americans who under stand that news organizations are corporations with an agenda and that agenda is often malevolent. That is having that skepticism towards those who would command public opinion. Yes, is, in of itself an enormous, the preventative towards the worst things possible happening. If we had the press that we had, even in the nineteen sixties and the was all centred with a gun. Group of people right, we wouldn't have this chance. I live in shocked at yes g, and how the world economic forum. has really had to respond in. I write it.

Nobody really knows what it is run brand gets on he's talking about any up and all of a sudden, it's a movement, and it me moved the titans, the banks and everybody. Saying that it's it's a one fight, but it does Your point that if you, if you wake up to the situation and you move together, you can t Everything, and- and the other point I made on reuben- is this country was founded by a group of white trash who had no shoes constantly have to retreat, under general washington against the greatest empire it on earth wherever was dressed in red coats in their finery, and they are picking them off one more time and we won yes, so americans, heritage is victory over impossible odds, and I have to tell you one of the other points of the book. Is I find it? Unconscionable that people would look the binding administration and

people behind Biden, of course, and think. Well, it's a wrap. There's no way we can beat these people come la harris is an unstoppable foe to you that, second, to me, when you go on holiday, there is no finer achievement than doing absolutely nothing on the beach. Nothing by the pool will can kind of nowhere and chatting about nothing as an expedia member. You can save up to thirty percent when you add a hotel to your flight, so you can have a bit more money to go out there with great ambition. To do absolutely Nothing expedient made to travel, so let's go into the three of the soviet cannot just one with the earlier point. One of the things they talk about a lot in this book is how malevolent the reporters have been for a century. There is this complete, Lie we its hold in high school, which is

there was yellow journalism, william walters, the goddess, goddesses dispatch, american war wrecked scratch, then the journalists are objective and good, and now they can be trusted with a continuous line from willie, ran or froze still today and to things I talk when the book is how in the nineteen thirty's Stalin was starving, ukrainians. Millions of people were stark in extremely cruel ways. They came to people's houses and they can. Back at night, because if you or you weren't, showing hunger on your face, your body would betray you. They knew you were hoarding food and they would ransack you at a glance at your house and they put you on the street naked because now cause you had food you're, a rich person, you're cool, ok, and this was near genocide. The more, I think it was a to justify more successful in new york times covered it.

I said there is no famine, nor is there likely to be walter durant. He got a pulitzer not for this, but for his reporting was stolen so and they also obscure the holocaust as a whole book about that called buried by the times this is. I mean conservatives really have this. This drives me crazy and I'm not saying you, but this idea that like when I was a kid reporters were honest know. When you were a kid, you were naive, yes and when you didn't have access to the information right, I mean mad drudge changed a lot of that that blue dress with it would have been We would have still thought today that was a smear against him and it would have been conspiracy. It was the access to go outside of journalism and say no look. here's this would we change those journalists go intentioned ill intentioned lot, it ill intentioned here,

it's a club and nobody could break that club. You couldn't have used to have to mimeograph things and you see people come out and they're like you want to the truth. You're not taken from them. You and I are old enough to remember before drudge broke the monica lewinsky story, the narrative which was universal across the media was that twenty one year old girl was stocking, the president's was the word. They use that she's a crazy stalker, how someone can stock a president who is enjoying your secrets, but you laugh now. I know I know smart respectable p oh said this with a straight face and supposed to feel bad for bill Clinton. The victor! Yes, because he had this kid

who was stalking him as she's a crazy person, and but for that dress that would have been the narrative to today and you're right. They did obscure it, and drudge is the one who broke it. A drudge was just one now. Everyone with a social media clout can be that look at what the f b I has done with one hundred by ass, I mean and all of the stuff about china. It event the true. This is a white pill. Truth eventually comes out the truth and right light will always win. Always in the end is just the time horizon but the time horizon, I think now, thanks to knowledge, is much faster. That's good! So because, for example, when you and I were kids our lifetime. If there was some obscure book that we wanted. Finding it right. You check views bookstores. You know you have fought for catalogues now, if you go to,

archive dot, org every book that was published before I think nineteen forty is there for free at the speed of light at your your your your desktop, so you could find any kind of information, so even that, just in terms of technically being able to find information, that's been taken away. One of the things I learned when I was writing this book is boris yeltsin, who became head of russia after the soviet union fell apart, he's a high up. You know he was a big shot in the: u s: S r. He came here to houston to visit nasa and while he was there, he went trip to just. Let me check out a supermarket If I remember this story, maybe they could throw up a photo and he's you're on the supermarket, and it's not like this, a supermarket for earls and dukes, you know the audio. Unless it's just like school teachers, it and guy deviation- no, it was, I think it was aroused. Now and he's looking around and he's. I've never seen like onions, this big and

on his way back to russia. He started lay over many years going to mock miami first he's. the plane in his head is in his hands. And he says they to lie to us because if people knew how much food there was over there, they wouldn't put up with it, but that realisation that it's not people are misinformed or it's a spin or it's a bias that there is stomach deceit the thing that yeltsin's offer himself in the nineties, but now, I think increasing numbers of people understand it completely that all corporate media it is peddled by a narrative and an agenda, and my quote that I always say is the battle is won when the average american regards a corporate journalist exactly as they regard a tobacco executive, they are selling a product, they have a job to do and a lot of people are very smart and well dressed, but they're still providing poison. See, I was very disappointed when Michael told me his book, the white pearl,

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yeah. That was very hard for me to read: writing this book so like? Oh, I I co authored several books, celebrities right and when I write those books you try to get to that process shoes as much as possible. So I'm writing this. I try to get into the minds of the people who were the characters in the book so that the things that they did. The thing is eat people. What americans not appreciate is how clever evil is. People in this country think evil is dominant between its opponents heroes- it's, like god, the god willing that would be the exact these buffoons and I mean I just have to know Nazi uniform was designed by hugo boss. He wasn't a scary uniform. It was a snappy now yeah yeah yeah, and One of the things that that lenin and Stalin wanted to do is they wanted to have everything for the public good? Well, what you and I like- and everyone listening this likes a civil society which means family,

looking out for each other neighbors looking after each other having the striving communities which exist independently of the state. Well, that's bourgeois, that's exactly the bourgeoisie and that's what the soviet union's were against. So for him. Any kind of bond between two people is the beginning of a conspiracy and a threat to his power. So they were taught kids were told the story of public models of who's, this little boy, a myth that they made up right. He existed, but that the stories of myth and the dad was according grain or keeping graining dad's a cool, ok Pavlik, turns him in to the cops and is killed by his dad and It was the lesson kids were taught in school. You should be like this kid, so, even if it costs you your life, if you see your parents doing something wrong, you make sure to call the cops on them so from the beginning, they're turning children against their parents, but even worse You and I like to think. Maybe maybe you do- I mean I- Don'T- that we're kind of tough people when people listen, this is surely the ex military, very tough people listening to the show

let's see how tough you are when they bring you into interrogation, Castalian lowered the death penalty. I think the aged twelve or fourteen- and this is a big international uproar. Why are you doing this? Because, when people were brought into be interrogated. That law was on the interrogators desk, so you see how tough you are when you see that your kids death warrant, sitting there in front of you? He had jews confessing to working with hitler he had, will confessing to working for countries that didn't exist as if the child was lying than the child's it held, meaning, because if I your kids death sentence right here. So you don't cooperate, ted. Ok, you could be tough as you want, they knew that they would. Those kids and here's what here's, how the ripple effect so glenn gets arrested, goes to jail. Your wife is now arrested because being married to an enemy of the people is a crime right, so she should have turned you into. She should have known overnight. Your kids are all orphans.

But now no one wants to talk to these kids, because why you fraternizing with these children. we're children of enemies of the people, so these kids were completely helpless. They were criminals without being charged grim right, but they're also pariah, as this happened to grow up when he was a kid he said his house became like a plague house. No one wants to come near him and there were. much hand wringing in the kremlin at the time because Why would we can do about these kids were killing themselves because and logically that no life to look forward to which is horrific, but there were in a thing like. Maybe we went too far. It's like this Making us look bad where I saw at the book starts with iron ran, testifying from the house and american to use community she's like its talking to like a republican cogs in pennsylvania, like you, don't understand, as in hurricane what it's like to live in a country where human life means nothing less than nothing, and you know it so this

separation of, and also these kids were then encourage to get in school and to denounce their own families, and sometimes the parents would encourage them to do it. It's like look save yourself. To have this kind of again, when we think of evil or dictators, they think you're glens locked in a room he's beaten, uniting break his thumb, his fingernail nails they torture physically. No, no! No! It's about turning families against one another public, They would torture, priests and, them to denounce, and god from the pulpit to try the ties, the congregants. This was a big victory for them, because the that's how much they hated religion, because again that was a threat to the state to Michael again, I'm not saying were their nobody's doing this to children, but isn't is the being now there's something is being done to children, this country yeah. This is the beginning there turning, they are intentionally stated goal turn. Tear the family apart and and

the kids against the parents- and I mean wherein the beginning stages of that I use certain they're gonna get their way. No certain! No great, that's my point. The point. The white pill is not optimism. The white pillars hope it is the recognition that those who we are against are defeated people they are now particularly impressive, and they. have lost on a small scale at a large scale times in the past, and as long as there is hope it is our duty, in my view, as especially ass americans too sure that these people don't get their way. Why should they always get their way? I want to get my way right. I'm train, if I'm sorry, to keep pushing you on this, but I, I I think you can be perceived by some

some lawyer language. Let's look at how to know because I, for I wrestled with this idea. I wrestle with this too at times, but not like I've heard, their people wrestle that who are just like you, you ve taken a whole bottle of white pills and you're, just like high on its own work out, I think that I'm helpful not optimistic that the same is not all going to scan work out the point you have to acknowledge what were facing. So let me ask you. I may have the same. Attitude with some people coming back at me, as my face is so strong and god I have now idea. How it's gonna end up or can I just know, He wins in the area, good wines in the end, and if I'm here for great, if I'm not ok,

I'll, do everything I can to leave. Do the next right thing and I'll say that two people I'll say you know We know, god is we know, and they, interpret that as ye I got it. I gotta Jesus saves. But what gonna, do and unlike what you gotta have that. First, you have to have faith you're saying you, gotta have hope it's there intertwined gay, but you still have to do the things to stand guard to warn and athwart right, yeah yeah what can I do? I think I understand that's a big parties Work is to show its is to tell- and I'm sorry this word, but I think americans are naive. You know when you saw her bottles of wine pills that I get it as an anarchist. I get accuse, though you think human beings are basically good, read this book because

it's ok, it's not about human beings are basically good at all. Just about how, when you have a nation, where there is no law, rights or of any kind is ran, put it the levels of depravity that they reach are things that if you and I sat down- and to figure out ways to torture people we wouldn't be that created as our minds. Don't work in this direction and in fact, when you had the secret police, there was an enormous evolutionary pressure on them to become more sadistic, because he is the thing a lot of times these guys who were torturing people who were prisoners, they knew they were innocent, they just I had to get to that confession, so they had to get increases and if they don't get the confession. Oh you're, being soft and the other people now they're next on the line right. So there was this bizarre insane pressure from every direction and they got very, very creative. But the point is over time. They lost their power there. And then they lost everything entirely, in fact, during the eighties and you both remember the eighties very well, we

we're of the belief- and we were told this constantly by people like Henry Kissinger, the soviet union is not going anywhere. We tried the korean war. That was wrong. We try the vietnam war, we got our asses handed to us. You have to be realistic, and realistic means there's going to be two superpowers forever. That's why chekov is on star trek, because even in whatever year that takes place, it's going to be the americans and the russians and you're naive, if you think the is going to go away ronald reagan before he was the president sat down with one of his aids any says you know shit you and here my structure of the cold war, its simple, but some people might say simplistic. Here's what it is we when they lose. and he was regarded as a lunatic, including by many in the republican party. He

Told and all the press was saying this is well. If you are this aggressive with them, you are pushing us closer towards nuclear war, they have the between us, we have mutual sure destruction and we can destroy all life on earth. as a result of his actions, the threat of nuclear war receded enormously. Both the: u S and the: u s: s r and later russia D escalated their nuclear tensions to a great degree, but I think his strategy, I mean We when they lose also was I gonna call evil by its name. That's evil. That's why it's gonna lose because that's you good wines, so he had an that's one of the things that they had a problem. We don't dodo bright old, say that about them. Don't say that about but irene were growing up. We thought all russians were bad soon. As that wall came down, we realized. Oh, my gosh sues millions of people.

They were slaves to this. They didn't want to blow us on the right. You know I mean it was the leadership that wanted to blow and I think that's what reagan new and that's One thing I one thing: I really don't like when people- and me I've done this for years. But in self examination, when you say the Democrats or the republicans That's kind of like saying the soviets, wanna kill us, and you just assume that everybody in that, but they didn't. They didn't It was leadership that knew what was going on, you know mean, and you have to be able to separate is what? In what real motivations aren't? You know there's a lot of distant debate over the centuries over what beauty means the meaning of beauty right, so we can say like a horse run,

it through a meadow is beautiful. A model is certainly beautiful, but also like a mom who's, a mess doing the dishes with her kid, that's also very beautiful, because it's pure writing to me. One of the most beautiful things on earth and this happened throughout the book. when men who have great power choose to do the right thing, event costs themselves and choosing horse a peace, and this there is this this when I learned this romania book it just blew my mind. reagan was brought down to the bunker too Oh through a simulated nuclear attack from the soviet union, any sitting there, you're telling me you got all these nukes flying at you anyway, So if I retaliate. Like in minutes. Let supposed twenty minutes. I how long it because these mrs, are going very fast minute. They'll kill eighty minutes, I'm killing, like thirty

like some of the huge number of people there like yeah and he's like this. Is your salute. Your solution, setting nuke is for me personally to kill orders of magnitude more than hitler in in in under half an hour and he's like okay. This is I'm going to put a stop to this and his aides believed- and I think, they're right that he wouldn't have done. He wouldn't have retaliated unbeaten. Every unbeknownst to him. Gorbachev dot taken down to a bunker and through the simulation and he said explicitly reagan. Kept of discards is just pressing his body button, even a simulation, we're not retaliating. So now both of these guys are going to reykjavik- and this is a great moment to conserve history, reagan, arabia, reykjavik boy. both of them have all these missiles pointing at each other right. Both have to believe that, if you cross me I'm going to fire and both they were like, you know what I'm a dove era. You need we're not going to do anything about it and because reagan was regarded as or portrayed as

crazy cowboy that allowed him to be to the left. the hippies ass, he came to Reykjavik he's like let's try to eliminate all nuclear weapons and She was like shit, It's blowing a gasket gas, because you can't annette nukes and she says how do we know gorbachev on sheet? I would sheet she kind of dropped the master a little bit, but that kind of exchange is such an important moment in terms of moving peace worldwide forward and yet that something else that's not discuss. We reached real, so many monuments to world war to correctly, because so many people lost their lives being courageously, but to win a war peacefully to me is also moment of enormous glory and should be discussed them frequently. and again this is in our lifetime. This is, new normandy in the thirties and whenever the bloody was what forty one. This is the eighties. So

ill and would let me go back to the book. Would stolen. Have killed. Thirty million people tell yes, yes, he killed there. Then I mean new, I mean with one eye psychological. There was this right Medvedev was a soviet historian, and he went through all the people that Stalin killed. And saw Eugene genovese later looked at his work and was like was Roy Medvedev drinking because, according to him, Stalin killed. He killed more communists than the fascists, the capitalist, the imperialists combined, and he goes communism yeah and he goes wait a minute he did the math he goes. You don't have to be good at math to do this kind of math and it was orders of magnitude, so the number of people that he killed of his own, what he would do and again you know we we discuss how people are naive about the nature of evil. He would give his henchmen lists right and he'd be the saint petersburg, ten thousand moscow, five thousand laval, five thousand

They had to find five thousand people and arrest. So he would just give him a number of quota and then and then to Beria, who was his last of his torture, is less. The secret police is very famous for his quote. Show me the man I'll find you the crime they knew they had to create exit criminals to please Stalin, and they were very good at their job. back to Michael here in just a minute. First, you know it's bad enough. When you get some telling your credit card stolen. Imagine what you'd have to go through if your home Title was stolen here is an actual audio, the guy who used to do that. Steel, people's homes, titles, listen,

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macao, radio, hometown locked outcome. Tell me things that makes you were born in the soviet job, so Tell me the things that, when you. Did your research on the darker side that you didn't know and, as I know When you wrote this, there were several times that you just wrote it through tears, because there is also the happy stuff, that's their own, whether from the one that really got me recently is in progress and echoed the museum of communism and, what's really great about this museum of communism, is it's not written in scholarly tones like captions- are things like you know. You know how on cigarette packets it says like this will hurt your lifespan yeah, that's what it was like living in a communist country. So I set my protege tray to two there because he was in Prague. He took photos all the captions. For me and then it really hit me like a gut punch. call totalitarianism

there was no where the- and this was my family experiencing. I left when I was too, but there was no way for them to go through all of your boy x, through this lends. All of your music is through this lends. Everything on tv is through. This lends you after worry who you're talking to if they turn on you- and I grew up with this kind of this little filter- wondering like, if I say the wrong thing- the wrong person what's going to happen, I I kind of grew out of that, but we don't know what that's like, let suppose you're just to hold a guinea in order to feel, let suppose someone hates trump like they really hatred. it's really easy for you to get away from trump go watch What's going on a green gables go watch different strokes, reruns there's a million they did have had its every. and everywhere for the time you're born until the time usda opposite way you trying to get out of a society with c r. T in woken is sure

It's almost everywhere, it's not almost everywhere, because I can sit here and watch the blaze. Twenty four seven right. My point is what everywhere. Glenn we'd, it's not in the restaurants. It's not a red lobster. It's not it's in! it's their trying. I am not denying that that's their goal, but the point that we exist and that places to go to escape it. There's a big difference between being homeless and having a crap, apartment right, it's like night and day or so. We can't wrap our heads around what it's like were literally everything we do is through the filter of correcting and I'm not trying to compare the two I'm trying to I'm try to find out. If you believe that These are the seeds. Oh yes, oh yes, of course, they're seats. Again, I'm not saying we. I know what we're up against the evil pure evil. These, not

get its way great. If I have anything do about it- and I think I do as an american, erratic, but it's true. These people are not impressive. Can you look John futterman and be like? Well, that's arap. He can read. How are you? What are you talking about? Is that right tell me about tell me two. henry was guide god. I love that story so Henry wallace was so but people and may not realised your history buff, I'm history buff

the arts first vice president cactus jack garner, who was, I believe, speaker the house use from texas. He was a conservative and he didn't he and empty are, but it heads he was really against the court packing scheme that, after I tried to pull, and he threw his hat for the nineteen forty presidential race, because it was clear that after I was going to seek a third term an unprecedented third term, will he wasn't gonna? Take it so Henry while so aptly are poles Henry wallace base associated sectors, agriculture out of obscurity wallace had been so that's something. People, though, realises that the democratic parties did not I'll align ideologically like they do now. You have very conservative pro business democrats and hard core leftist, and they are very liberal republicans the teddy roosevelt, because the laval, republicans and also very conservative applicant, so it's it was cut. You had this kind of idle idle, logical balance and tickets Henry in nineteen, forty empty are for the four

his time as the nominee decides to pick his own vice president, because it historically has been the convention picks the vp, and you have these kind of weird mixed matches like Warren Harding, who's, basically debauched, you know drunkard and calvin Coolidge who's, this kind of prim and proper things like this or mckinley and teddy Roosevelt's another great example of this. So he picks this henry wallace guy. This guy was like kind of this new age freak. He had these letters to. I forget the guy's name, some theosophists, that these dear guru, letters and see here the wet too the! U s are ussr. Welcome to a gulag and the prisoners literally put on a song and dance for him. Of course, everyone who spoke english was vanished prisoners were happy because, while he was there, they were in a room and watch movies all day because he was allowed to see any of them

and the russians took him around, and the thing is because he had a great background in agriculture. They like took him to a pig farm while the people running the farmer or apparatchiks. They didn't know anything about pig farming, so he's asked them questions about like pig husbandry and they're like oh, but the translators like covered for them and he its back and he talks about this is like the wild west. He says: there's no two countries more like than the: u s in the ussr and There are so many people moving to siberia. You laugh, but this was the vice. This would write former vice president, and this is what a lot of people believed at the time they didn't have alternative access information. The new york times would be telling them things like this, and there like look at this population grew so much and that these gold mines and it's just wonderful and it was all a lie, it was a concentration camp labour camp and there were prisoners who were at that camp. One Elinor lepers, one of them she later escaped because she was a foreign, national and she's.

I wasn't use either fence. This was now it's a nice thing, any we were treated. The atrocities are right in the book in their horrible and empty but the head of the Dnc kicks henry wallace off the ticket. There was a lot of pressure. Truman is the nominee of vice president omni in nineteen. Forty four fdr dies. I think, like one hundred days into his fourth term and ahead of the democratic committee said, I wanted to say on my tombstone. I, Henry always being president- and it didn't say that just has his dates. But the point is we were this close to having a president who is taking direct orders or close to it from Stalin. This is a theoretical. I like communism. This is someone who thinks One of the worst butchers in history was a good guy and someone we should work well with You also that I love you for this. I thank you for this. woodrow wilson, I mean you

I out that guy east. He really thought we are brothers. That their revolution is our revolution me. We it's blue skies, there's no two countries that should be. more bigger friends. Here's here's another kind of white pill moment because in nineteen, sixteen, when woodrow wilson was campaigning for reelection and he wanted the first them got to be re elected since the civil war. He wanted I think, like three thousand votes in california, was that that close at hand- campaign. Was he kept us out of war right? A few months later we were the great war

and fighting the draft became a felony eugene be debs who had been the socialist candidate was imprisoned and it took, and even after the war ended, he was still in prison and its president Harding to commuter pardon his sentence and get him out of jail point being being against the great war, went from being a winning campaign strategy to being a felony in a matter of months. I don't think nowadays there would the capacity to have this nash nationwide draft and, let's suppose they were to make it a felony. pose the draft the internet anyone on earth could have this information or hide their ip and be like this guy's a tyrant. This is ridiculous. You can't silence the entire earth, no matter how much they would want to do it Let me talk a little bit about. When I was a term I was in warsaw. Oh yes,

and I I met with the chief rabbi, allow for poland, and I was really intense. It was an eye, but it was white pill. I had just gone from our. seen in walked the ghettos and everything else all over poland. I was doing a documentary I met with him and I said- and I was just broken- inside you ever you been there are now I gotta go. I can handle it. Oh my gosh it you know what my understanding is. Most disturbing part is like this: a grass and the birds chirping like it like that kind of irony, always like this. This legislators inside the wall right behind the wall where they were executing people and that building was where the windows were open and and Mengele was doing experiments on life. People awake, you know during stirring surgery, right at the bottom of the building bout

feed in is a pool where are all of the guards would just take their girlfriends. They would just swim in the pool and it's mind: Geno would mangle it. Did you read the book, his biography mengele? He was trying to inject dye into people's eyes the lulu which country x. I would think the racial purity you're making you write the real blue and not right eye and wanted his assistance came into office once and he had the eyes their irises and had them pinned on the wall like butterflies, and she said I thought I had died and gone to hell. So again We talk about the nature of evil and you'll, be naive. We can our heads around, like medical experiments, unbelievable like that little detail about like slicing eyes and having hang on your wall and just looking at it like nothing happened. That is something I think few people carry out their heads around. You want to talk about, white pearl, you wanna talk about. Why I do have hope, is

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The first thing I say to him and it was into question. It was. It was something I had planned. It just came spilling out, and I said I I just spend some time with you. No one, righteous among the nations, and there was I remember what it is: three thousand five thousand just for the nations in poland, people that we're not you. But try to do everything they could to save jewish people and I was a country. Millions- and I said how come there were so few and he looked at me and he just look to be shocked and he said so you and he said it's a miracle there were that many and

you know, explained how difficult it was all yes, death, instant, real your fans who everything you, torture, horrible, and it really spun me around because do understand it's not like Anything we ve ever experienced in america there's nothing like that in our experience. And what I like about your book is Do hit those people whose stood, and in those are my favorite kinds of stories. The people who have everything to lose. I think I'm going to be able to tell this story now without crying. This is the first time I told the several times. I think it through it. There was then called the senior citizens tunnel, which andrew heaton resource at the blaze told me about and there were a bunch of senior citizens on the far side of the berlin wall. They were in east berlin. They once yet the west berlin innocent.

Chicken coop. They dug this tunnel to berlin, because as soon as you set foot west berlin, as a german person, you ve citizenship there and they dug it, six feet tall and they asked getting to the story. They asked the guy. Why did you build this tunnel? So it's so tall and ngos were my wife's, not crawl into freedom. I'm done crawling and fact that he was taken like who lost how much extra time, but stories like this about the human defiance is just sing, another form to me of enormous enormous beauty, there's another story which I just love of high meissner. He was a guy who was commuting between east and west germany, as some foreign nationals could do at the time east to west berlin. Excuse me, and he fell in love with a girl from east berlin and he's like I gotta, get her outta here, so he the checkpoint charlie, and they have that thing that lousy mars to get through any measures how tall it is, and he gets a british car things and Astrid Morton any take.

Up the windshield and he takes some error. The tires puts her in the back seat. Well, I gotta get her mom to rights. A mother in law to be is in the trunk, put bricks around her. In case they start firing. He takes it. checkpoint, charlie, there but to waive him on to the next stop guard and he just floors and goes under the gate and dry. to freedom. In fact, there's a photo of them, which maybe you can show us what the orientation was like, but and some issues the great thing someone else dated again later with the same car, but story like this. Like I love this girl, I'm gonna something about this and that he did. Could you I just sitting down and being like look she's In east berlin, there's lots of girls in west berlin and your life at risk, but, right again, when I talk about hope and the fact that these people can be beaten.

its moments like this if they had their way she'd be vanished. Mother in law be vanish too, and he would never be allowed to step foot in east berlin ever again, but that's not what happened so there are so many cases. Many such cases, to quote the former president, where people of their own volition, like you saw in poland, were like I've Do something about this, and I have to tell you, I think, spirit is, or pervasive in america then an end, the country on earth? This idea like it's on my shoulders to write the one thing that I think you and I will both agree on is de we have started to see more and more of that. we haven't even scratch. The surface of that gleanings became truly oppressive. I mean everybody was clear: oh my: what is he every will never be clear

then I never high yeah you're right you're right, but I mean a lot. The local young kay you would have that american. There is something bout us in our dna that I hope is still there. I think it is that we are in. Churchill reference this it takes us awhile once we wake up, we change. The world. We can change the world because We have that in our dna that it is the one individual. It's not the state or the king or anything else. It's the individual goes screw. It yeah, I'm going yeah. I the one of the other things I fight against on like social media is a lot of people. Have this idea of like oh we're, never got a majority. The majority is always going to be sheep. I'm like you, don't need a majority or even a large cent right if, let's suppose, five percent five percent, people in this country were

The communist lets us good from the other. Like five percent, this country became violently armed communists. He would be a night, it would be the purge one out of twenty with weapons and messing things. It would make what happened in two thousand and twenty to look like an absolute joke right. So it takes a very small percentage of the population who Would you be radicalized to that point and that's not what I am advocating for, but the point being you never need a majority. If you I have a hard core minority they become ungovernable and that all sorts of things got on the table. The the revolutionary war with twenty percent of the american population in its corner right and even then many of them were just vaguely in the corner there anything about their. Like. I support you correct, I'm just going to like your tourists, but if I'm asked I don't yeah, I don't know you at all, and can you talk about upton sinclair? But, oh god, I could happily yes so

sick of all the people or predominantly people on the right getting cancelled. So this is my chance to cancel upton sinclair and I had the receipts there's this book. I found called terror. Russia question mark and it was debate between upton sinclair and eugene lyons, who was a communist reporter, who later turned hardcore anti communist,

upton sinclair- is still read widely read in high schools. The jungle he is a he's known as a hero against yellow journalism is the guy yeah right. He is right, MR honesty and integrity because of his book. The jungle we have the f d a to this day and people are of the belief that if it wasn't for the FDA, all your food be poisoned, and if you go to a bar, you can be searched. Strychnine, correct. I would if, for whatever reason, I dunno why this would be advantageous to the bartender but whatever, and he was a hardcore progressive. He was not a communist by his own words, he was the democratic party nominee for governor of california in nineteen, thirty four and he had a plan called epic end poverty in california and his idea was take all these vacant. Lots and Everyone guaranteed a job and reporters asked. Understandably, this is with the heightened depression. If you California

guaranteeing jobs road everyone come here and basically at some glib answer about like well, we have to worry about them somewhere, He was this close to becoming the nominee any he d lost election and because of losing the election, he said some supporters kill themselves. Who knows, if that's true point being he became a big, a pilot just for Stalin and he first of all he said with the holiday more the starvation ukrainians. He goes. Oh you say it's five million. I think numbers closer to one million and its legal base than what right does one sounds better than five, but then it goes yet. You have to look at it this way, this they solve the problem of famine forever, which is not true, but for him when I found this book and he's in black and white being like yeah. We start millions of people, but look at the long term, it just like wholly crap and then, when you just lie a lot of people that still kind of think that way, and when eugene lions told him he's pretty close to hitler

start up. This eclairs, like ok, we're, Stalin. Hitler stop having their animosity, then I'll admit that Stalin has sold out the workers, the now steer was the mall. if ribbentrop pact with Stalin and hitler had their non aggression, pact and upton sinclair, never did admit what Stalin had in fact sold out the workers and the hand waiving of this tat. This was the thing that disturb me, the most. It wasn't necessarily what was done in the soviet union as Much as how many american influencers and they'll harvard ale principle. We have the new yorker than europe times the atlantic, the nation we're just telling Americans, your stupid, have freedom of speech, they can any books they want from Aristotle to live in, They nato have racism there you're just words. You're just have anti communist prejudices, and they

but this in writing. Their signature, lillian helmet, ernest hemingway to see how they were brow, beating the people in this country, too, and it was in at all, in the context of look it's world war, two we're up against hitler england's by herself. We gotta take any alleys allies. We get a like that. Wasn't the argument the argue was: we should be closer to his approach of government because they are the future and they figured it out so to have those receipts in writing. which I discovered during my research, was something I was. Stunned and glad to kind of brute bring back there and has made to me how he George Bernard Shaw, basically kind of came up with this. chamber, have just revered still today and and given a pass, we were told that america is horrible by the same people who are giving a pass to you all of these you not give you're not given a pass for a mean tweet,

Right but you are given a pass for literally saying this: genocide was worth it to me, is completely crazy. So, thankfully, how people will take away from this? the undying hatred for upton sinclair. So I wanted. I want to talk about last thing sure your model of optimism, comes from a guy. you mentioned early on. Came us. Come oh, come, oh yeah, never heard of him. Don't know who he is stranger, you never the stranger he wouldn't want, wasn't nobel prize for literature, I'm sorry. I know he's either nature. When did he live? He died. I think in forty three he's out of car accident thing in eighteen. Forty three tell me about him and tell me, is apt to forty three sarkozy is part. The french resistance, so tell about him and tell me- What what What anchors you

What is he given you that anchors you into in in white bill? So come. Who was, which will mean this book was started as analysis of his thought. He he was an absurdity, is often called allied with soccer, which they were posing angles in terms of politics. He was very big on the piazza quote, which is ascribed to him, which I don't think he ever actually said by howard Zinn, where he says it is the job of thinking people not to be on the side. The executioners and here his book, the plague, which was a metaphor for the nazi occupation, is you know I was kind of popular during covered for if I guess people thought their recent parallels there, he and he had a very famous s: cold reflections on the guillotine. Where he's against the death penalty, his point being as cruel as it is to kill someone he's not dismissing that at all. It is any less cruel to have someone locked in a room for twenty years and threatening with death at the end of that, so we're better than that.

But he is very much a philosopher of conscience use part the resistance in the occupied france and I dont the quota want to mangle called that had the court introduct give you can get the exact quite. Have nobody realises Some people expend tremendous audio? That's that's! No! No! That's! Not the good. That's actually never actually said that. I think that's the one you there's a lotta. Here's the thing with community, because had to learn this there's a lot of common quotes on the internet that he never actually said I think that what you said about the state, we do not wait for the last judgment it takes place every day. There is always philosophy for the lack of courage. What does that mean

was a philosophy for someone will always find an excuse for you to do the wrong thing right. So this is the quote that should interest the book and Alex are some of them in seconds. All I maintain is that on this earth there are plagues and there are victims- and it's up to us so far as possible, not to join forces with the plagues meaning. Evil is real, evil exists, but it's not a hard choice fight If and the way I can sum up common philosophy wrote a book called the myth of sisyphus at him conclusions at sisyphus is pushing the rock up a for journeys, happy This is how, with some common philosophy, imagine if you walk into some kind of wilderness rain, there's a river in the mountain side and they an easel. Their rights because move felt that life was inherently meaningless, but he regarded. This is not a bad thing. You see caesar- and I know you're a painter- there's too kind, approaches wisely, season in the middle of the wilderness. This is a waste of this is stupid or what agree opportunity I can ain't that mountain. I

that river, I can paint myself. I could capades something abstract pay, something concrete I could do anything. I want with this great opportunity and that's his view. It my interpretation of law if we are giving something that, in his view, is inherently meaningless, but that means We can imbue meaning to it and it is incumbent upon us for at the meeting to be full of he has. This quote about man should live to the point of tears that you should live with integrity and intensity, and he very much spoke to those people in poland. Who were like this is my chance to. When I meet my maker. He was an atheist, but it's in the metaphor stands when I'm on my death dead. Can I look back and be like? You know what nine out of ten I left the world a better place that I found it, and this is what the reasons I wrote this book. It's like I'm from This country is cultural to me,

all these lives. All these decades of men of misery is gonna be forgotten like you know what I'm gonna do something about it, and so I did as I get older. I've been thinking this a lot lately and a live. My life all over again. the only thing I would change. It'd be two things: would stop being so worried about outcome can I can I interrupt you because you, my friend, Jackie, was just talking to someone who's. Nineteen, she goes won't. You tell you something besides supporting so much there's this rabbinical quote? It says, imagine you go back ten years in time right and you see some ten years ago, and you see we tell yourself bad things will happen, but you're here the alec stop freaking out. So you could tell yourself that now. Imagine yourself, ten years from now, going back in time and you'll sit yourself down, be like there'll, be that stuff you can handle this year, yeah so

stop worrying so much, and in the other. One cut stems from that, but I would just have risked more. I would have just I would have just said, you're going to jump out of an airplane, but the hell. Do you have a world you know you just there are so many opportunities that, because of time because of You know what you're working on what you're thinking, what you're afraid of you, jack don't do those things that you'd don't do. Could have unlocked so many other doors. It would have led to a much richer experience if you just. If you live life without fear, can't can ask another one. I would tell myself- and I wonder if you agree to be hard on yourself, but be kind to sell. Yes, yes,

because yeah you don't be lazy, you're going to make excuses, but at the same time you can screw up and when you make those amends or you go back and fix it to the best of your ability. It's it's: okay, you're, a person! That's why alcoholism help he says: yeah yeah, you know the twelve, step, is all twelve steps is all about that yeah you suck. A lot sometime, that's ok with who doesn't, let's, fix what we can and leave the rest and throw it out and so you start giving yourself a break really, he early in life and I think, so many of us do this. You have to be an alcoholic to two to start in this way that. You are not more than a collection of your mistakes, the condition their mistakes are so meaningless. If you apply the lessons learned from its, but also every single person listening to this, has it in their power to

the world marginally better plays? Yes, you can talk to an elderly person whose lonely you can foster an animal. You can and tourism kids there so many opportunities to just make the world a better place in eunuch, unlike some of them in that's, ok, but you are going to find some that you do like you can just say: how are you yeah and mean yeah yeah and mean it like. Will I couldn't go out and asked pressing like some peace that lays the audience. Never certainly heard. Yes, Michael. I love you. I love you too glad to have you so much

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