Here listening to the gold digger podcast episode number. Fifty today I'm talking to Laura Roeder, the founder of Meat EDGAR as social media, automation, software and we're gonna Huck, all about growing a team starting a new idea, and why, Automation might be the next step for giving you more freedom as an entrepreneur, you're listening to the gold digger podcast with Jenna Culture, the life workshops, style, business podcast for creative girl bosses, so you can from the experts, how they dig in, do the work and tackle your goals along the way? Here's your health photographer educator, artists and MAC and she's lover agenda cultures. This episode of the gold digger pod gas is sponsored by honey book. Honey book is the management

after that, I used to stay, organise, manage invoices, get paid and give every client and elevated unforgettable experience. Honey book is offering twenty percent off exclusively for gold. Digger listeners just go to honey, booked outcome, slashed gold digger to get started and get your life back today they got bigger than stood a greater and today, I'm so excited to speak with Laura Roeder Laura founded Meet EDGAR engine. If he does in fourteen and has grown her remote team to thirty people, I'm so excited to talk about how their providing social solutions to more than seven thousand customers and how she started her entrepreneurial journey at the age of twenty, two windy decided to quit her design job and launch her first business, so welcome to the show Laura yeah. I thank you for having,

absolutely so Laura, I'm so excited to be talking with you. I first heard of you on any port airfields podcast a long time ago, and I'm just really thrilled to talk all about you got from where you were too, where you are now. So, would you mind, sharing your story and telling us everything about e? That got you too, where you are with a team of thirty. That's crazy. Here. While it will take a is everything because the shore,

region of sorrow, my unscrew neural journey is I quit my first and only job when I was twenty two to start doing, freelance design work mostly making websites for local businesses and wind social media Sarge become a thing I would just caught my clients were they cause as making websites for them, and I was helping them with other online marketing stuff and people have told me, you know we would pay you just for your advice about social media and I thought that sounded like the sweetest. Gehrig of all time is repaid to tell people whose twitter scooper easier. I have clearly thirty doing social media consulting and enact quickly turned into social media training, only an education information products and then, in twenty four ten we launched Mean EDGAR, which is social media s off where amazing. Ok. So you have to tell me where The words meet EDGAR came from Andrew EDGAR as because I really want to know who EDGAR is awesome.

Under it. So we referred to the software as as he, instead of just it's from fair, sir. I had a girl. Is the act This is the guy that sends out all your social media for you, because something that's really different about EDGAR with other tools. You have to go out and you have to manually sky. Everything or you load out beer content for the next week on the next month. But EDGAR really does not work for you. He pulls the content from your library and then send it out on social week after week. So you don't have to keep going in. In doing that yourself and the name was we were using them. Code name EDGAR before and launch just because, like you, have these projects and you have to call them some playing unwilling to name the truly New Zealand and when it came time too, Do they like branding stuff? Ok, we're launching this. You know. What's the name? What's the logo we thought of all these start at b sounding names, and I just didn't like any of them,

and I notice that people would remember at birth when I would tell them about the projects and they would call it they'd be like what's going on with anger, and unlike will that's not what it is all the pipeline years. What's going on with it and link, people seem to remember this and when you sort of funny answered a memorable if we called it EDGAR and then we needed a domain so like meat, EDGAR became the domain and then meet under just kind became than human, a business. That is incredible one time. What is my odds? They had a litter of puppies them, a name them all based on the physical characteristics stuck so, that our dog was named White Chin Fisher David. He I'll come your white shirt and then so I kind of love the EDGAR story, because I totally agree. We name he's really weird and I love EDGAR, and I I just imagine a really friendly old man whenever I hear in fact that is helping me is even better so talk to me about automation, because automation is sending that I am super passionate about its

teach and its honestly. My number one goal for this year is to automate is many aspects of my business. So where did this love of automation come from and then how did you turn it into a profitable business? Yes, you know our customers are small. Business is very small, possesses a lot of our customers or solar foreigners, and you know I've been there myself for many years as a solo foreigner or a super small team. You know some part time virtual system, so when you're trying to run a full business and its main unjust, you are just you and a handful of people. I think, if your son, Maybe you quickly start to realize, like ah there's technology out there, that can do the work that I used to do manually. You know this. This is a really cool and I think you sort of discover that, because you have to as a small business owner, because you're trying to do something like social media

and I mean this is why so many entrepreneurs struggle with social media as there are like ok, while I'm supposed to have hosting on all these platforms must be doing at least five. I was a day does takes hours and hours of my time and, if you're doing it all yourself manually, I mean it really. Does it so time consuming if it takes up more time than is valuable to you, unless you are really getting smart with innovation, so I think I just sort of had to learn about automation, because I was trying to make my small business arrive and I just quickly saw patterns and systems to streamline things. So the idea for ad girl came from what I was teaching people to do manually when I had a training possess and when I was teaching people to do. Is this whole idea of wire you creating new pieces of content, new status updates multiple times a day for all your different social networks, when you can actually look at the stats and see what per cent

If people are seeing anything that you send out and these days it's about, like five percent of your audience c, is anything you sent its really really small. So that means that ninety five percent did not see yet your creating something. I totally new every time which is just which has just crazy. It just doesn't make any sense right, especially when we're talking about this blog posts. They ve put your blood, sweat and listen to, and then you Cinema once the first week there live here and you like never show that one social again it just. Doesn't it doesnt work? So what I want people to do? is create a library of content. The you can keep repeating on social media,

Obviously this does not apply to all your contact. You're not going to be like children by the pool interests like posts that at random times a day or random times a year talking about Ino links to your blog posts, links to other people's blog posts like that, how to strategy chips and tracks inspirational puts most of the content. Small businesses share on social is evergreen, meaning you know it's. U small! Six months from now, it's not just useful today, so all that evergreen staff, which is probably most of your content. That's what's really smart. You put on it on emission schedule like EDGAR, does so you're not having to post a social every day at her can do that for you with your own unique content. I love that so much and I have to disclose in my audience that we just signed up for a girl and were thrilled because we have been digging so much into our well of content like you're talking about it for five years.

I blocked five days of little value, I'm so I have hundreds and hundreds of posts that, like you, said that literally got scene with one facebook posts and then disappeared into the abyss, and so we I've been looking at. Where is nighttime best spend to my business and is now I am writing. New posts is on figuring out, which ones where the best the most popular the most viewed the most shared, and then how can we share the view that more people can see them in? So it's such a strict he Jake move, and I think it's something that a lot of people neglect to seek as, like you said, you feel like you always have to be creating content, but guys, like every when hits a rate where you're, like I don't have anything more to say, you're vacant now and so were so excited to be using this, because I think, like you said, like there's just a reason.

In a time to share things, and we love to believe that people might be refreshing our fields, but I can promise you that nobody is doing that, and so, if you are creating pertinent condom like how brilliant so tell me about how you created a software from somebody who went from creating training courses to pivoting and create software with I'm assuming no background in the doktor you a little bit about that guy. So I have been wanting to get into the software for a while, I think, like a lot of people of different types of online businesses. Ino SAS software as a service, ailing reoccurring revenue is is a very interesting model, It was to me, but I'm not a programmer. You know I don't know how to build software, so I just kind of like this is something that I want to do, but I don't really know how and how it happened. For me is my husband: is a developer had suffered, vulgar and

He is the one that I was just kind of like complaining. You know about ok on teaching people to do those spilett, there's so much manual. Labor involves in copy and paste in two different tools, and you can't store your library of updates within a tool and why do they do died so frustrating and honestly, at the time I kind of thought that it must be impossible. Like, I thought this is such an obvious idea, for my social media told a store, my social media updates. Why don't they you must be lake. It must be really hard to do, our house, and my husband Chris was just skylight. No, like tools can do that, like dogs and I hardly do or he's like. I could build a tool. The does that sound like, Gray, don't blow hard only guys you know, I just wanna, say so- a lot of people here, let's Oriana, like while good for you, but like I'm, not married to development.

Is that how rear- and I think what I've learned that is applicable to everyone- is thy you to take your own skills for grad, so I'm gonna marketing, I'm good at running a business, and I think that those things are easy because their easy for me right and I think that programming is really hard by every programmer out. There has built a piece of software and that no one has ever downloaded because they have no idea how to do the marketing or their let terrified to do the marketing. This is so true, so I've, really

As you know, if you're on marketing business side, the technical side needs you just as much as you need them to create a real business, the people are actually going to know about. So, if you're, not technical, they are interested in getting into software. You know start learning about software and start going to meet ops going to spaces where you can meet programmers meet more technical people in and learn more about their world and ino. At some point, maybe you can find a partner that would love to get partner for someone like you where they can destroy the programming. I don't have to worry about the business. They don't have to worry about selling. So that's where you can have a really complimentary skill set. Absolutely you know- and I think a so interesting about what you just said is You thought, like you know, this has to be a problem for more people, but why is there a solution? And I think a lot of people could easily say while ages must be to our cost? Only I'm the only one to have thought about their. So I'm not having a try, because it must be impossible, but I

there are a lot of times. We look for permission to go after what we want, and you didn't have that permission, and so I think it's really inspiring that you chose to like pay your own way, which I think is super encouraging for people. So let's talk about this team that you ve belts

you have been getting a ton of questions about entrepreneurs who are feeling overwhelmed or that they need to outsource they're, not quite sure what building a team looks like I, like you, said you grown to thirty people, that's really large remote team. So what has that looks like for you as your business is grown? So it's definitely been a gradual process, so we did not raise money for our business, which means we didn't. Have you now? Here's ten nine dollars in a bank go out and hire a full time. Ten fifteen people from day one, so it happened gradually, as we made more money, we hired more people and thus, as they have been learning over the past ten years, you now, as I built various businesses, hiring people freelance.

People part time all the way to full time and a big lesson that I've learned that I see a lot of like small online business owners going indifferent way. A lot of people are really scared to do like a real full time employ, because you know you can't do that from the beginning. Right, like most businesses, dont have the resources, something you build up to over time, but it is really something I would recommend building towards, because when a lot of people do is they have a team of freelancers and lake? There is nothing wrong with having a team freelancers. The problem they are going you encounter is all this. Real answers have their own business. You know if you have like a freelance blogger running your blog posts there, a business is not your business, it's a freelance blogging possess and now you're trying to grow at right there. So to grow at they need to get more clients. Are they need to charge more or they need to start having other writers

under than re, and so this is all stop. That happens you search loose people. Are they start to get more expensive, so it works. Short term, but it can be very challenging long terms, I think, gradually moving toward. That idea of I'm going to work with people that just work with me and by the way I like that, doesn't have to be full time. Even when I was hiring part time freelancers, I would look for people that were just looking for a part time job as a pose few people who had a business and we're looking for more clients for their business. Absolutely, I think, that's the exact direction we want. We had all contractors and we got our first oldtime employee this year and it's been so great to have somebody solely devoted to your business in this success and do not have their time split by different projects. So I think that,

incredible advice. So what does your remote team look like like who is on how as a groan? What was your first higher answer? Those I ass so many question once again so excited

yeah so Arias Lake in the software business sort of a volley from the training business. So I did have a few people on the team and the training business when we start in meat, eyed girl, like I had someone doing customer service and a project manager and like a writer marketer. So we have that sort of courts. He like tiny, hordes him and then the capabilities we need to add on totally new were, of course, programmers Ino to build and and fixed and update the software. So at this point we have four departments and the company customers, arrests, products, such development, marketing and operations, and so each of those teams has a manager. We call them advocates and our company and there's two people in operations team and then the other three are liquidity.

If only splat as far as team numbers or some, and what is your role in the business at this point, how're you best serving meet EDGAR. So my wrong, the business is CEO and it's been a huge learning experience figuring out without means higher imposed a deal, because it's this really big transition, where you move from bringing deliverables for your business to really just managing and law, eating? So I'm not doing very much as as funny sounds like not doing very much like hands on staff, I'm more guiding the bigger decisions and the bigger picture, and I think it can be a hard thing to wrap your minds.

And because it sounds like a really be, I see I think I used to think like. Oh, what is like setting. You know people seriously, except the vision for your company and slave of like what has now been. When do you really need to do that, and what I understand that this point is not type of work is so important, because that's what allows the thirty people on my team to really work autonomously? You know to keep us all moving in the same direction and completing all of our little projects, but moving towards the same goal. It needs to be super clearly. What is the priorities for each department each quarter? What is the bigger thing that we're all building towards, and you think click that everyone just assume the same thing, and then you realize that people do not assume the same thing at all and it's up to you

as the leader to say, like how you know how many customers are we trying to get like how many employees do we want to have on this team? What do we want this team to feel like? What are we? our customer experience to feel like, and in some of that, I'm figuring out summit. I eat our different department. Heads are figuring out, but you really can't take for granted like Oh everyone just knows what good customer services actually good customer service means something different to everyone, so making those things really explicit, literally easy for everyone on your team, do in their day to day work without having to ask other people how to handle the situation, because it's like ok, these are the standards for a good customer service, looks like so now you can answer tickets in a way that meets these standards. Absolutely. Has it been really hard to transition from like the visionary who buy

good strapped this whole thing to someone who is managing the team, because I know that sometimes you know we start these passion projects and their so close to our hearts, and I know that this, probably you still close to your heart but your role has absolutely transformed, zap and challenge. So it's something that I was very deliberate on when I started this business because in my training business I was the face of it. You know I was the trainer is very dependent on me and I really didn t love that business model. I knew that I wanted to do something different. You know. I also knew that I wanted to have a care So I wanted a business that could really thrive without me, not just like. Ok, I can be a way for a month and it can be ok, but it can really like keep growing without me. So I was very very deliberate in designing meat. I go that way, so I was pregnant when I launched meet actor, so I took a three month

maternity leave, all the company was six months old and that's actually like when we had a murmur. That's when we had six vs ex figures and monthly revenue was like. While I was away, I set it up, so it can really grow passed me not just like things going to be: okay, well, she's gone so it was something that was a stretch for me like in this new business. I haven't done not an old business, but because I knew not what I wanted. I just made every day in that way from day one so like I've, never written copy for EDGAR. I have that scale like I know a marketing. I know about copyright thing I just I haven't done it at all for eyed girl, because like either a person like a black and white split alike, and I can write a single blog posts and I can write a single landing page just that it can be totally clear and taking myself out of it and for saying myself to hire talent that can handle it. So

doesn't mean- and it's always been easy marketing, and particular I've been in and out of, like I've, hired people on them gone back to managing it myself. So that area for me, because that's something I really love to do instantly- I'm really interested in that's when the hardest part to really let someone else leaving take myself out of it. Absolutely I just wanted to let you know like you are incredible first stuff, but I think that when I look at that, I've been looking at what motivates us. Slightly in, for me time is my motivator and how you said that you ve so intensely belted, so that it can succeed without you, and I think, a lot of US woods I'll, go with that. Ie go in that like no. It needs me work and I think a lot of creator

launch procures are really good at making excuses of why we can't out source or why we can't higher team, because no one can do it as well as we can. But I think exactly how you said this like you could write the copy, but that's not how your best serving your business or your family and I think that died so incredible and then also just building a model with recurring income like brilliant you're, just brilliant with amazing. What does your work week, look like for you. How are you in the business how're you juggling a family like? What does it look like for you? So I work at this point. What I have full time, which is usually like five to six hours, it adds a shell health home schedule. I guess I was part time for the first year of my sons, life after hours on maternity leave for about like a year after that,

just for contacts timewise, so my day to day is like having meetings with our department heads having a weekly leadership, meaning that were all on sorting keeping my eye on. What's going on in the business, be asleep and then I am looking. I bigger strategic projects that kind of go past, any one team, so something were spinning. Autism right now on is researching, are prey saying the way like them attracts that our softwares priced how people are using the software and how they're getting value out of it so kind of like bigger picture decisions like that like what is our pricing model going to be? Those are the kind of projects that I am really involved in and kind of figuring out like what do you know? The next stage of the business looks like that's incredible. Is this something

you want to do for a very long time. I do now. I love, like I'm sure I'll start other businesses, because and thirty two and nine happened. How could I know so in that sense, no, like it probably won't, be like in this exact products, this exact company forever by? I really love this role. I love the leadership role it something that that suits me really well, and I love the the software business is really fine and something that I love learning about. So, yes, I think I'll be doing like something like that, spur a very long time. That's amazing! Does your husband still work with you let sword so he built the initial version and then he hired I'm an engineering team. So he is not really working on the business Data day anymore. He is

dad home dad in the morning and afternoon, he spends alive his time like exploring other projects and other businesses that we might do in the future is gonna. How he spends has time Maison, you guys are like a good team, but do so If you work well together, we together- and I think the thing there is that we do have very different scale sites like I don't know how to program I should not like to tell you how rare I cannot tell him what to do. As I think that makes it a lot easier to work together- is that we just like respect each other's domain. So this is a selfish questions were diving in two EDGAR. What are some tips in terms of automation that you can give entrepreneurs in terms of getting the most out of the content that they ve already created? So the easiest thing anyone can do that must remain aren't doing is just like share one of your own blog posts every single day

like if you just did that manually or set up I'd Gerda only do that it would be super valuable because, like you say I mean you have an insane amount like not accurately are superior and that's really high volume, but I mean most people have like it's very common to be blogging. You know, at least once a week for at least a year life. A lot of small businesses have at least they fifty posts built up at this point, that's a lot of content and people tend to repeat their content. We should let all the As I see everything I said now right, so this is when people get nervous about other, I dont want to bother. People like I want to just repeat myself: see you in a look like you just sent not re you'll be like I just sent out a few weeks ago. I just meant that a month ago or whatever you'll remember it going out, but just look at the stats like put yours unreality open up your facebook page open up your twitter account, you can see how much People are seeing everything it's a heart

any people really small. So do you going to feel like repeating yourself over and over again, but that is not the experience your audience gets. And, of course you know now that we ve been doing, for a while, we have thousands of customers. I can absolutely say that this is true. I mean what I see my own accounts writers, eyed girl. What we see in our customer accounts over and over again The shares will be actually kind of unfair funny how similar it will be like you share something and it gets. Ivory tweets you sheriff later. It gets like three or four or five retreats again in the second time and light The number of clicks will be very similar and, what's really cool, is that you're giving your content these opportunities to get really bad, because they might get share and they might get picked up and, like that's life, just personal favorite little. When that I see with a girl I'll have an article that EDGAR has sent out for me. You know that I fully forgotten about it ran

numbly, get shared by someone with a huge following on twitter and will see Leggum massive spike in traffic The thing that we had. No, though we did nothing, you know that I just sent out and is just it's an opportunity. Every time you send out a link, it's an opportunity for shares its an opportunity for clicks. It's an opportunity for some on whose heard of you and instruct out your site. So I go there that one more time be like in you know. I like us, have finally sign up. I've been thinking about this for months and months, leg. Ok, I'm finally going to do at the people just need those opportunities to see or content or engaging are by from you and so using automation, you're, just getting a lot more of those opportunities, absolutely in four, I say no, that it really challenges me to produce com

already and not quantity, because equality peace said shared in German shared is going to do so much better than just posting, because I post five days a week or whatever that looks like, and so I think it takes a pressure of always creating, but instead turns it to creating with purpose or intention, and I think that that so powerful, and I love you said right at the beginning of this interview in that. So many people feel guilt around social media because were taught like you have proposed five times a day. I need to be close to constantly and as soon as offer that schedule, which I can tell you today, I'm already offer, but whatever that goal should have been because I'm setting up EDGAR it. We feel this. Else around and like other goals, when you feel guilt or that you know you're, not gonna go pleader, it's just this like self deprecating talk for yourself, and so what is so beauty

for about why you ve created or what you help others do, or even just what you teach about in a re sharing. This content is like you said you give it an opportune. To live on and we are so close to our work that I if we assume that other people are just as close to it, so it's almost free I also know that not everyone is seeing everything you're doing, which is kind of a blessing in disguise, is in the area when you realize how closely you believe. Other people are watching you when you start to observe yourself on Social because, like let's hear posting something like several times a week every week and people do see it over and over again. Well, how long does it take before you click? Something like this is the whole. All of the internet is to have your conscience spread over and over re like you want to go via only one staff to be everywhere and the reasoning that is because, like you have to see something ten times where you finally even click on it,

absolutely. I am totally one of those people not my face. The gods get me avenge re. They hot means, like ok, I'm by legal, and let's do this right right. You need those lake, ok, ok! My friend has to this article of you, my other front posted circle. Ok, it's all this can I get you? Finally, I'm getting an unsteady Sinclair, like maybe they're, not even gonna reader, and yet we have this idea like people do this like email is another that's really under utilised, because I always how people, send out your latest blonde person, an email every week, like literally just paddling nothing else, and you will get so much more traffic from that and will over these people are my email austerity know about my blog and like how many guys reading everything Opel is like the day it comes out if you for not doing my obsolete we don't have time to do that. I feel like a few years ago I was way more of a blog reader and nowadays a struggle that even keep up with my best friends. You know read your own airlines

right? I don't even know it's going out why? The other thing that I really am excited about is automation inside a facebook groups, and I think that that super excite I currently manage five different groups, so I have a different group for each of my course says: podcast group and then kind of a goal setting group and I'm really excited to also take that and be able to share pertinent information inside of my group's and then let the dust ash invite me in to have that answer. I'm really really thrilled about that peace sue because we all are so. In so many different audiences, and I think that if we spent over time serving content, it would take up our days, and so I think that that's an incredible feature. Yeah at we. If we were smart, we would just probably like repackage in possession it just four groups because croup owners, I grew so much because yeah you get many groups. People are doing this manually there having been like a motivational money. You know, share your

Friday, like share your latest blog posts, Wednesday, you can just make all that I've been on autopilot with EDGAR and then exactly like his head. He knows, spend your time link with the conversation and that's that's my whole idea of how people should be using a girl, and I mean how people are using EDGAR is like software, send out your audience, doesn't know or care whether you light clicked the button on your on your phone Earl in your computer, The aid at like no one cares freedom loaded up the contact. You now don't worry, let's software and then you can go on and do the part that all leave and do which is like the relationships, the conversation and then they have Neither does it feel to summon all of your time on social, doing, that fund relationship partner, absolutely so exciting. I under such a huge fan of autonomy and so anything that makes our lives simpler, and I want to ask you this question because it was something

I struggled with the early on definitely overcame this road block. But what would you say to people that say well, I can't afford. Services. Even if I know they're gonna make my life easier. I mean it's such a hard thing when you're starting out rightly deciding how to spend that money, and I would just encourage people to spend money on action as much as possible, because what I see in the online community is people have a huge biased towards spending money on training and education. And learning and like yes, we have to learn stuff honestly, even trying to learn everything from like free blog posts if you're really motivated, like let's be real thirty, It's free information out there, what you can't get for free, is someone to write for you, someone to create graphics for use on Wednesday or bookkeeping or software to do all these things right and software is always one

a cheaper than man hours, because amongst people tell us out of you like, I could get a visa cheaper than this. I'm like I don't know what kind of ie eight you know where they are. You hey logwood, I like not cheaper, so yeah like your first biased, should be It should be software honestly, just because that's always going to be cheaper than like human man hours getting something dine and whenever you're tempted to egg do, of course, or by any of us really you know, do then, like a conference, you Know- and I love conferences- and I think meeting people in person is so important, but that, like two thousand boxy spent on the conference with travel and everything else, lake, you can get a lot of help for your business like real execution. How for two thousand dollars absolutely anything to a lot of people early on, they don't value their time. But I'm looking at it like what is an hour of my weak worth and what is

that our added up every single week in a month and if I can't say that it's not worth that amount then I mean they're not value my time enough or I'm just not that point quite yet, and I think that early entrepreneurs, they covered their money, but they dont covered their time and, like I said time is my biggest motivator, and so when I look at things even like you know our use honey book, which is a software that stream my client work. I was so resistant because of the cost, but I was so undervalue the amount of time I was wasting, and so once I let this script on that a totally transfer the way that I would invest in my business. That time was. The motivator, and not necessarily the money- and I know that when I get more time, I am able to make more money cause I'm more profitable. So yeah is my encouragement there. You know it's hard when you're starting out, because it is a bit of a chicken and egg people relating ok will supposedly this frees up an x,

Our like, I don't have an extra hour of client word to you anyway, but it's like what you would get the extra hour apply work. If you weren't spending all your time doing. Others admin stop yacht and honey. What does that mean under does so like it does. Take a leap of faith and then began a totally dies, and I think you just have to embrace die instead of people are like a waiting for Future there, like, I know I'll, wait for that week, where I'm doing everything in my business and five hours a week, and I made fifty thousand dollars extra. That vice president tell me: what it happens. Could I'm ready it isn't right, that's amazing! So

Laura. Where can everybody find you and how can people get connected with you and EDGAR? Yes, you can find a girl at Meet EDGAR, not com or me. I'd girl on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and you can find me on line at El K are or a blog at my name, Laura Roeder, dot com. Incredible I and super excited to dig into EDGAR. We will all be definitely linking all of this up in the show notes, and I'm just really excited to offer this extra step of automation and I'm so thankful to hear the heart in yours. Very behind it to Laura. So thank you for spending more time with us today in Kiev, thanks for listening to gold, digger dive into show notes for this episode and all past episodes at W W w dot gold, digger podcast dotcom thanks for listening and you'll see time you ve gold digging dream teeth. You.