Here. Listening to the gold digger podcast episode number. Seventy two: today I am joined by reenact, bossy and amazing friend of mine and we're just gonna, have a real conversation about some of the tough seasons of being an entrepreneur how to tackle how sometimes it can feel so isolating and what it looks like as you navigate through those challenging seasons. No matter where you are in your business, you'll likely stumble upon one of these reasons, whether you like it or not, and so today. It's all about keeping it real and chatting like two girlfriends would over margarita and talking about true life and the struggles that come along with dream chasing you, listening to the gold digger podcast with Jenna Culture, the live workshops, I'll business podcast for creative girl bosses

you can train from the experts. How did dig in do the work and tackle your goals along the way? Here's your health photographer educator artist and MAC and she's lover, Jenna Cultures This episode of the gold digger pod gas is sponsored by honey book. Honey book is the managements. After that, I used to stay. Organise manage voices, get paid and give every client and elevated unforgettable experience. Honey book is offering twenty percent off exclusively for gold digger listeners just go to honey, booked up Calm, slash, gold, digger to get started. It and get your life back today, Hague. I'll diggers, its general culture and today I am hanging out with a gal power that I have followed for years and years and years reacted. Patsy, and I just love

of this girl. I've always folic were kindred spirits because we're both in the MID West, which I feel it is hard to find in this creative world that wherein and reaction is an incredible incredible wedding, planner she's, also a mom to the swedish little boy, and I really really excited to talk about real life with her today and kind of war Could you some of the hard says that I feel, and we feel is just master on Social media- are made to look glamorous so first things I welcome my sweet friend thank you, so much for having me so excited. So, let's just kick this off and I want for you to just kind of talk about your journey as an entrepreneur where you are today how you landed there and then we'll dive into the good stuff. Sure so I, like most people, graduating college and can find a job in two thousand an eight if any remembers the economy that year to graduate from college, was a tricky time and then also Canadian, which some people now. But

the Canadian and trying to find a job in a country where you have to be sponsored are on a visa proved to be difficult. So I actually decided in two thousand and eight go back to school back in Canada Move Tom one too fast graduate program that a second degree still can find a job in the journal of Industry, which is can only dream job. Was it time, and after still not be able to find a job below two degrees and eleven internships later decided that in life variances and trying to find something that I felt it was got out, and I really loved but I'm not really loved. I would create my own job, so that was where my what playing business was borne by also, at the time had a blog. I had started a blog right after graduation journalism, student seemed like a natural choice to make and that blog was actually what I've kind of credit. Most of my beginning success too.

Opens the doors to still out of opportunities, feeding a readership base. If you all that ultimately turned clients and from there my business just kind of love all that I'm really grateful for how quickly it grew, But you know since that over the past seven plus years, my business is really grounded and watery brands. Most recently, we regretted my own personal name and there's tended to facets to my Britain. If you will others an embassy which I liked likened to kindly Anthropology ray you walk in and Anthropology is like the main d. Also, that's like three an embassy part, but then we have reacted, bossy celebrations, which is the wedding planning, design and floral facet of what I do and that's all behold in part of interpol, algae and the reason I get that is unique. A mom over the last year and a half and just turning thirty the humming. He noticed a lot of seasons changed my personal life. I feel like realising them call to do and there's a lot of,

facets in my lifetime, outside of weddings. I'm really passionate about me want to be able to pursue those things and pursue them with a name and a brand. If you well, that an leaves room for growth in the EU So that's right right now, in so doing, linings, which I love English, always gonna be my first love bypass rain and bossy brand I'm hoping or set me up for some more lifestyle focused projects as we move forward. That's amazing and anyone that's ever rebranded knows that it is a giant process. Then I went through it just a year and a half ago switch from a photography business name just to my name and there's a lot of gravity on that, but it also just phallic is actually stepping into myself in kind of freeing myself to be me, and to be understood as who I am and not just a business, did you gonna feel the same way? Why thinking a lot of a lot more like Our inability to right, because under the hay gorgeous name which I had before I was, there was a man

because I've always been very authentic and I'm an open book. But now it's like it's me and like it's my name on everything right. So when I had a wedding, you know who did the flowers, I'm not saying hey gorgeous events in that person is anyway I'm saying it's me regaining the hussy like really just really bomber really outside. But again that was part of making. The relationship is that I wanted to be that face, and I wanted to put myself in the opposition so that I could have that association with. Like me, as a person being the name of the business, and I also felt like with the Hague or just name I ran into so many copyright issues and logo rip and seasoned assessed, and I felt like I was constantly having to protect that name and protect way built under that identity. That my own name. I don't have to work as hard forks. It's my name right. There's, bonuses than a train, I hope a rip off. You know who I am as arena Bossy, but it just

feels, if you like, sliding an old pair running shoes, if that makes any sense absolutely. No, that's exactly how to vote for me to an eye out spelt so weird, and he would ask like what my business name was now still I MIKE it's just my name. I don't understand that either lying, that's the thing too, and I trying not use the word just like justifies or fillers, although I was just going to tell you, I'm not you not just calling your calling to tell me some things. I trained cash myself when I M in that seem circumstanced were just my name like not just my name, my business is my name and in its an awesome, business often there you have it. I dont use a just cause: you're, not just Jenna your I love one thing. I think that you know we're gonna. Have this conversation just kind of move as friends do

something that I really respect about. You is, if you ask Marie, like how're you doing today, it's not just as fluffy one word answer and I feel like a lot of times our society, even just Europe, passing somebody on the sidewalk like hey how's, it going good good and you move I know you're, not asking you actually care or no, but something I that is so important in just so admirable is like we meet each other where we're at, and sometimes it's not. I was pretty so walkers soup, no white season of life, your energy. Now, what that looks like how it's different from past seasons and how you're kind of moving through its, oh goodness. Well, let's see I told you earlier before with your officially on our quality? Well, I'm just a big advocate for life ebbing employing, and I think that season. I think we're just called me indifferent seasons at different points, and I think that life for me at least, to see in a series of valleys and peaks, and sometimes wife is really grain. It's full of a lot of

highs and a lot of bonuses if you are good things, but I think sometimes were called to go through really dark seasons and really hard things that are uncomfortable. On our side and I feel, like I've, been a little in a valley this year it's been a tricky you're on a lot of different France has a lot of just like the core elements. I think I've unrelated touches, emotions and stress. I've recently decided to close up my workshop that I conniston. A long time ago, calicoes doing something really great wave and I made a hard decision, a finished aphorism, different reasons and give our personal things in my life, I feel I haven't one or two, I ve been really able to a ball on social media like we do with a lot of issues, and a lot of my hesitation was sharing from these things. Has work for themselves and work from home, especially I think it's really hard to have that sense of lake thousand work from home, especially, I think it's really hard to have that sense of lake and I'm using article three now he could see me about that, sent a community

we fight hard for online, like it just doesn't exist at the end of the day, for some people in the season has just been one of refinement. For me, there's been a lot of acceptance, with my new role as a mom in coming to terms with the fact that that's ok, that's like just what I'm doing right now and again at that just word right, but I hear somebody people say we should find your valuing apparent and you shouldn't defined yourself as a parent and to that If they were one is that they were ready to be right now right like what is that nothing the season for me? So my thing for me just they all have grace. Can my MRS Anna volleys transitions finding ways? we have here. I think as business people and as women, especially we put our health on the back burner. We put so many other things before ourselves. I think I need to be more forgiving with myself, I'm so sensitive. I care so much about other people about what they think about how my actions may affect them.

And I just need to get myself permission to stop that you will have my priorities in each of those priorities are met with them. Beyond that, I've got a lot of Gaul. You know I've been holding onto long and just almost fines that Greece, in the fact that my biggest weakness is actually my biggest strength and that would come with being really emotional, sensitive, like in the times I'm emotional, sensitive in a good way. That's like where I can really serve others and love. Well, and that might be made these weakness that affect them like refrain that and find a way to be my paused in the negative every day. That's why I want to be right now. I just wanna have for simplicity in my life. I don't wanna work for the approval of others and work for a certain amount of money. In my view known my bank account, I don't wanna work in circles and like work hard for nothing so let's talk a little bit about social media, because I think so many of US entrepreneurs have this love hate relationship with it. But so few of us actually talk about thine. I feel like I

try really hard to be honest about what it looks like in you know: growth. Following its not this timers things is more eyes more criticism, and especially for people that are incredibly sensitive white like how are you feeling about social media re now? How is it changed may be from the past in this way, a million ways. I almost wonder how we would feel about social media and I mean mostly instagram. I think we use Facebook an instrument twitter all very differently from another obviously. But if I can just be an extreme right now. If we woke up tomorrow- and we didn't have followers- and you didn't have the capacity to like images or leave comments, so is almost like, and only one is a tumbler cause on tumblr, you could blame not pin things. What used to be a little like leaves Centre back on Tumblr. So almost like it's just you could scrawny Stroman, see pictures and you could like personally react as you're looking at the image or say

things that loud obviously, but there is no way to actually leave your feedback. So people can see, I almost wonder if when have issues we do when Instagram, if that was the type of social, India Channel. It was, I think we put so much wait in our value, as his people are as marjoram as wives or as friends based on their feedback of strangers, are a people that we think we know online, and I think it stand like at least for me. It does like a number and had in your heart near Wirthin. I wish there was a way to better use it as a tool, because I think it is important and I think, there's a lot of are you and at night I owe a lot of opportunities and things in my life instead around, but at what cost right,

and I don't have all the answers. These are just things and I like pondering talk about with people in and it is a good tool. They think it should be used as such, but I just I wonder where the ship's gonna be right, like I think, are kind of coming to a peak where, like something's gonna, give- and I dont want that- looks like her what that means, but I am anxious to see over the next six months to a year how Instagram changes, especially in our creative sphere of being entrepreneurs and being the mining industry and and using instrument what we do absolutely, and I think, to one of the things I always shocks me is when people say, like I only have three thousand followers. Unlike when was the last time you stood on a stage in front of three thousand people, probably never like. We want every You know I don T, like God gave us this desire in her heart. She always want more because we're not made for this earth and to prove that, like we can ever be fully contents, where we are right now, but at this in point. It's like people are so focused on more than

forgetting to like just show up for the people that are already there, whether that's five or a thousand or whether you're not showing up for them at all, but you're just telling your story in a way that you're going to remember at whatever that looks like you, no one, I think they're. So many other avenues of sharing your story. You know it's not your story. If it's getting back your gifts or like it, may not be a verbal form of sharing right. Maybe it's a donation or it's an anonymous, giving of your time like whatever it is, that going up means for you there so many other avenues to do that. They think we're losing sight of like how to make that delivery. If that makes any sense in and I think at the end of the daylight but say ten people, one followed me: I can sit there and stu on at all night, like what did I do accept those ten people are? Are they sick of seeing my sign? Are the heirs may work to uglier? I mean you go off the deep and re if you're someone like me and you think of all these reasons, why ten people just don't want to see what you are

share any more, but then I think there's people in our world that donor, the next meals coming from and those people in this world that don't have somewhere to go to bed at night that safe and there's people in this world who are hooked up to machine getting Kamal ends. I mean like your problems or relatives like you're circumstances by that always put things in perspective. To me, like ok, forget the ten people that import mealy There are so many things in my life to be grateful for an instrument like two percent of my life pie and fuels are very small like piece of the crest, and that always gives me like good perspective, because if you don't have that perspective, it sucks a joy out of everything you're doing, and then you start thinking about all these things are really just don't. Have space in your life, one. I think it's so funny. Do I truthfully have never had an unfollow up, because I know I would do a number on me and at this point now it's like. I don't even know what you mean. I know maybe two percent of the people who are following me in real life by the funny thing

is too is a lot of times. If somebody on follows you it's likely, there are circumstances and not anything of your doing and a you know felt a weird thing when we went through our miscarriage a first time where I like, just in my heart and had just needed to unfollow people that were expecting babies in the same month that we should have been expecting them because those things What did you spend hard for me to see at that time? And so you know, it's like how much value are we giving these insignificant thing in our lives and like how can we shift that into something more productive right? Well, and that's where I think it comes into play that relationships offline are really important. Big advocate for picking up the phone and calling someone and talking the things whether their hard or whether there easy he known just like a quick catch up, but there are so many things I can be misunderstood online there. So many like you said if somebody else as circumstances

driving them on follow someone driving them to make a decision that protects their heart and allows them to exist in a safe space. That's not like an indicator that your less than or that you're not worthy of that relationship and just a preface everything I'm saying here, I actually don't have an involved up either by an constantly on the a job like the next number going up like him ignores and on every day. It's like it's between one or the other, and I can tell me numbers up and down in its, I think, I, too, is being so driven and wanting to always excel in succeeding grow. I've tried to figure out this algorithm without any. Like luck and I keep thinking I've got it figured out and in the number of go down the next day, and then it gets me thinking. Well, what am I doing wrong? What is it about the algorithm that I can't quite like tackle, so I dont think I do very well, knowing the exact people that voluntary it just feels.

Like you, I hurons the playground and no one wants to come over and play red Rover with you, like. You feel that way when we put ourselves through that make it so personal by me or I'll works in progress. So It's easy to focus on, not one per cent versus the ninety nine. You know, like, I think, to you I used to be far more sensitive and I think that I have learned how to be emotional, about relationships by various strategic about business and I think, having like being able to compartment allies, those two things have really high it's me because they feel like when the emotional stuff was. Drifting in to the business stuff. I wasn't thinking like a ceo. I wasn't making decisions based on the future. How but my business, I was looking at it from a way more emotional standpoint, I think as well. Is where emotional creatures, like it's normal, you know right now

I love that. I think too that I think sometimes I used to be really personal open on Instagram and I think sometimes a big reason for some of my big chunks of unfollow oars is that they miss that they don't chairs much online anymore, because those personal things I got those in those are my treasures in those are things that I wanna like saved for myself like I don't want to share those things with sixty three thousand people. You know I'll share them like little bits and pieces here and there, and I have a blog for those words things by, like you said I wanna still run a profitable reputable business and sometimes those two things just don't go hand in hand. They have to find ways to to keep them separate and find ways to keep the personal and professional running on their own tracks. If you well, that's that's hard to do, but I think that's part of being a success. Businesswoman right as you find a way to do both well absolutely. So what is? This transition looks like for you in the sense of craving like a true

community in the science of like face to face interactions or phone calls versus this elusive online community. What has that look like for you cuz? I know like we're in a small town, we don't have a Tuesday's together in this town. We don't really have a of industry of swords mean I felt the midwest sometimes is lacking or a little bit behind the times when it comes to stuff like that. So what does that? Look? Like for you at such a loaded question, I think he'll relationships as an adult are really hard. There are just awkward sometimes I also want to make it known on community. I said this before and I am sure other ten were unfollow for speaking in the eye.

Ink community is something I think is a catchword in our industry, and I think that we have failed to really do final community means, and I think that for refining lot, where I feel like, I personally am finding on issues and what I mean by that is that community to me is not a forest coffee date with everybody, my industry, all my competitors on a Tuesday afternoon and that's great if it works or some people. But for me that's like not the best way to build relationships, and I to feel like that's the only way that community is gonna work and not to be successful. I need that tabled community because, for me, community is paying a friend for something that they worked really hard for and not just going to a coffee shop and showing them contracts

can copy it. Community is respecting on another. You might not be friends with one another. We can respect one another be kind. My think community means a lot of things that we're not talking about, and I think that's where people may be coming up feeling disappointed, because expectations are clear on community really is I don't know where that conversation starts. I don't know what the changes I don't know, if I'm only one that feels its way about it by community is phone calls and its your life interactions in its hard conversations and saying I'm sorry and its showing up it's a lot of things that have nothing to do with business. To me, community is outside of business. To be honest, I think I have said this before an indifferent podcast, but I don't think the CEO Mcdonald's in the ceo, burger, king or meaning for coffee on Tuesdays and swapping hamburger recipes like they're, just not right that they can respect one another and they can be friendly to one another, but I think we just need her.

Really better defined what community means, because I feel like I don't have community here and I can tell you undeserving of community and I can tell you I'm a really good friend and very loyal, but I still feel like it's really hard to find quote uncle community at least a community that I think we ve defined in our industry. I think too I've talked about this on the show before, but I think that sometimes the word can create a sense of entitlements like if you are a true community member. I am entitled to your secrets or your trade secrets or how ya doing thanks- and I have definitely notice, especially over recent years this higher sins of entitlement mean this lower level of respect, and I don't think for ever come had it with that purse. Option or that intention, but at this in time it's kind of like that. I'll. Take you up for coffee to pick your brain to me. If I don't have time to have coffee with my husband, why would

take the time to go in sit down in like teach somebody all these things that I have worked so hard to, and I For me, the answer to those questions was in creating resources like this, the pod, gas or creed. And courses where I could actually make a bigger impact with a repeatable system so that I wasn't feeling gills over declining requests like that. You know yeah and I think that's really smart to create those resources, because resources are definitely needed. I just think that would be the right resources and they have to be resolved Does that her, respectful a few well of the things that people have learned that they put time into learning in energy, and you know when I For my business I was told no by a lot of people, and I was you know door your shot my face and nasty things were said, and I mean it was like your bedroom and he's on re like you, a business now like you need to act like a dog, like not neurons in Ireland, really quick eye to grow up early fast and

You know I still get knows, and I still the doors slightly my face an athlete per life by I know now that looking back, there were people that gave me asses and that took chancellor me in those people in no circumstances were pivotal. To I am now so as much as I like to have boundaries now and, like you said, if I don't have time to have coffee with my husband or get down the carpet, prove my son. You combat I'm not going to Starbucks for two hours to just give away everything like all the keys to making them. If you will, even though doing that if the right person comes along and asks in a respectful way, feedback of me or enlightenment from me, I'm you pick up the phone and give it because I'm a clean urban but again circumstance have to be right now have to just shoulders

that I feel like? I said that word a few times, but I think there is a limit of verse back. That's missing in community and I think we're just like you said we're just on title: does thinking we need everything right away to be overnight, sensations and like that's, how you build something of value integrity like these things take time- and I guess that's one thing I wish I could kind of sprinkle over everybody that up and coming is that, like put in the hard work and the time in something good will come out of its gardening right, like largesse always talks about you can just plant seeds than wake up and you have a beautiful sunflower like that stuff takes time you are, but the sea than the grounding that water is not a hope. You get good sign me not to go on, get the weeds out like it's a process of well by little, the good things grow and that's very indicative of how business should be I think too, I think, when social media and such in the whole numbers game, I think that it tricks people into thinking that overnight success, it exists, and I mean what here. Did you start your blog two thousand and nine boundaries?

and I started mine like in two thousand and ten into EU get that in words sitting here seven years later, seven years, then I think a lot of times. You know people jump into your journey at this stage of the game. It looks so much different than what it did back then in so many things have changed in the end. Things other than what society is putting on you yeah, and I mean just to add to that too. I think I mean it's really easy to look at somebody will your idea of success into something other than what society is putting on? You yeah Just to add to that too, I think I think it's really easy to look at somebody, let's say just from their instagram profile and think they got it all figured out, let so and so my

You don't have all the things that are desirable and life just because of their life in squares, looks really glamorous and lovely, and I think that at the slippery slope into going from where you don't want to go to your thoughts, I'm here to say publicly that the case, but in terms of success I mean I remember writings I do not look at a conference. I will be a success when and I felt that blank and I when I wanna make enough money, that's comparable

to the salary at a job like where I'm hired to come on in and work for a company, and for years I ran a company thinking that that was like the key to feeling fulfilled. If I could just have enough money in my bank, combat would be comparable to maybe what a friend or a colleague would be making. Then I will have been a success and how awful is that right? How awful to make decisions and strive for things simply based on a numbers game? And it took me a lot of self reflection

and being honest with myself and conversations my husband and figuring out. Ok like what is my ideal life. Look like him in five years would only like to look like ten years twenty years. Fifty years from now. What am I gonna back on and remember in value and had nothing to do with money? In my account, I think monies importance I just wanna, but that out there I think money is a tool like Instagram and it's how we live in Eden, Minos, shelter, but I also think that you can get buying and can be happy with less money than I think we need and for me, being successful. I created some prompts in those problems. Are things that I reference from time to time and there he basically start out with. I will be a success when and then I feel in those promptly changes. Seasons change my life, but I

be a success when I can be a hands on mom and give my sign the love and attention I know he deserves, and I will be a success when I can contribute to my household in ways that either to fill our lives, but in ways that can help their bills and or find you know, vacations together or special excursions together. So what that means is that I am very blessed You mean do income households, where I don't have the pressure to buck thirty weddings ear and make six figures. I stop contribute my household and I worked hard for that, so that I can feel successful, but that again something that is the definition of success for me and my relationship does. I married may have husband for me. SAS is when I can wake up and feel like my job fulfils me and give me a lot of satisfaction when I wake up and my job feels like a chore I tried going into my studio and I you know I dread opening my emails

until they resentful towards clients. That's a sign that my definition of success is lining up with my reality, and these are just things: There are very very true for me, and maybe nobody Alice but again if I'm strikes, to meet someone else's definition of it says whom I ever gonna be contain. I'm not so it's it's really hard folks on your own lean and focus on doing things in a different way, but when you can focus on what makes you happy and contain enjoy full and successful. Think that's like the secret, fascinating. That's where we're missing things absolutely, and I dont think that we often enough stop and ask ourselves those questions. I think you know talk to ETA. Therefore, but it's like we're afraid to be alone with I thought sees days and that's why we have you no addiction swear, phones or netflix or whatever that looks like we don't like to be quiet with ourselves anymore, for fear of war

we'll be revealed and I think, a lot of times we have just our head down in the monotony of the work that we are doing, that we never actually sought to define those things and to really ask ourselves like how my feeling, today about what I'm about to do like. If I am unhappy multiple days in a something has to change and I think that were sometimes afraid to even go there with ourselves, because we might not be happy yet the persona are. The things that were emitting online, look like we should the EU now we almost how guild that we're, not content in that re or forcing things right like how many times have you felt oh I'm having a bad day, but I'm just going to like quickly range, my desk and Instagram, a picture that makes it look like

really great day going on, and I have been a few really good ones. They get likes. Validation from on these strangers online Simonov force my happiness and amid a force, my joy today, I'm in a forced, my contentment, and I mean I fall into that trap many times and that more than anything leaves you feeling worse than you did to start yeah. I think, being alone with your thoughts it is a really it's like mindfulness right, it's a really insightful, beneficial way to be mindful of yourself and your surroundings. I see a councillor in a lover to dash she's wonderful on she. Every day asked me before we the recession duenna meditate today. Unlike how might we not want a meditative songs, terrible, unlike what do we do when she's like what we just we sit here and remain forever. Time and space with one another and, unlike so, we don't talker. I'm like I could go through my list of to do that. I have going on she's, like will know that's the point. Is we're not supposed to be thinking about anything, namely tat sounds awful like there's things to think about.

Things to doing. Why would we waste time just sitting here being might fallen, the more that I've got to see her and more than I can come into this season? If you well of transition, I'm realising that there's a lot of beauty and truth in being mindful right, like that's, really comes, and I think next I've got to see her and she asked to meditate. I might it grew up on it. It really nice absolutely were. I actually so very parallels. Kind of where you're out with things I can have. Hermit tendencies where I really love to just be home, and I tell myself like I do my best work at home. I recharge when I'm alone really stepped out of my comfort zone, and I am sharing office space with some of my girlfriends, and I told me self like all maybe I'll work there like one or two days a week while Ivan finding myself craving like human like encounter

there is an actual conversations, but we are now doing meditation Monday is when you hours of just like being and being in my gosh. It does sound terrifying to me, but at the same time, meditate It is an aim that I've wanted to get into it, but it's like one of those things words the last thing on your list and now it's not the exact opposite of what it should be. No look why it's funny doktor! So like I'm telling you, I spent the first nine weeks of this year, I had a liver infection, and I had these flew simply in an almost was like I'd chrome, man, all the flu I mean I went down a list of like what I could have and I mean googling everything which is like the cardinal sin of ends, This could not figure was wrong. Finally, after about three four weeks and just feeling really really sick, all the time when the doktor and wounded all his blood workin just thought the scare

results and hepatitis test. I mean you know, running the gamin on what it could be and it ended up being what they thought was a lever infection in it. Just gonna cured itself. Eventually- and I remember my daughter again- I'm in she said what do you do for you re civil? What do you mean and she said well, what do you do too, like relax, arrest or take care of yourself, and I said Wall sleep like warlike you taken out, and I was like, oh no, no, no, I don't Ignacio, my wondering I haven't seen an absence beforehand, my son. Then we'll know like a sleep at night. Sometimes he gave It is a lot I'll, never forget it, and she was I ok. Almost people do that makes it later. That's when I rest and she's like you need to take care of yourself and she kind in learn. Motherly, luck and tat was like a really Bigley click moment,

for me, whereas, like ok like when is the last time I read a book or went for a walk with phones or sat on my part for the couple emanating, unlike really just did nothing like a leg opportunities to do. Nothing are, in my eyes, opportunities to get stuff done. Any kind of refraining colleague views opportunities has been really helpful. That going for the walks out. Your phone is really good and its renewal in aiding and thoroughness and so much honesty and hearing. My doctor say that for me, because, like I don't do anything for Self Karen, if I'm not my best, I can't be my best aroun around me like that airplane analogy. When oxygen masts fall, they tell you, like you, pull your mask on first before you help anyone else and I always used to get really sex. Unlike you met him, then I can't make

it first her old, lady beside me. I can't reach the mask like I'm an help. Others before out myself cause were women that we do right. We'll know everybody else before ourselves by diary. There is, if you are too sick to gather Ben and you are to depress, to put a smile on your face when your husband walks through the door, and you are throwing up her. Today because you're so sad and over a wound, you are good to nobody, and that is the most humbling experience to go through and wake up and think I am work progress and I have to get better before anyone else. Benefit from the Lamb is no crazy to like I. We were just about my family cabin for the weekend and their lives. Did Emily is no service. You almost feel this, like sense of like urgency at the beginning of it, and it takes you timed like settled back in to life without Instagram and Latino. In its like, once,

there you are. This is the most freeing thing ever. I need to do this way more often, and then somehow you go back home in your right back at you know in it's such a reminder of like we don't slow down, and you know we don't, give ourselves those chances and I dont think self cares like taking a bath and calling it a day like, I think self carers you know, finding passions outside things are getting paid for, and you know listening to your body and being an advocate for your health and you know kind of some of that stuff. That just hits away you side when we're looking at being productive or feeling like or intentional or whatever that looks like as entrepreneurs. Why think we built this culture of? I don't know you want to call it that we have almost built this culture. That says self care is indeed Children are selfish, yeah are selfish and night. If you even

fantasize about self, carry you'll be seen as guilty or lazy belief that I felt in the past. So now you see tee shirts and mugs n. All these tragedies and things that have you no catch quota them like her. Harder or we know what on any of them, but I've seen among Instagram, exploring I see them. One at sea. And I see all these things that are promoted. Ends. Lamb arising that like hard work, is like what you should be doing, and I dont dare take a nap if lake Hustling is what I should be doing. Right now should be handling extra hard, because I've got a husband sign a home all these things that need to be. You know cater to in my life and I say screw that you know I'm gonna taken up and I'm gonna go for a walk and I'm going to be nine formality. Do all these things, because I can tell you the opposite of hustling until you blue in the face each day is complete, exhaustion and sickness, and it

in Austria and relationships and its marriage counselling, because your spouse gets put on the back burner all these things there to crumble around you, because you can only hustle so much into your really tired and you have to give up and like wave your white flag. So I'd rather invests in self care of yellow but guilty about. It then work my fingers to the moon and feel like everything around his just fallen apart. Absolutely- and I think you know, the hardest things that I always just struggle with. As somebody who is seen as an educator is so many of us who society would call successful in it and so many of us have gone through these seasons of total burn out. Words like we are almost psych done, like legitimately done like I, there is a season where I just craved the office that I was so excited to leave that ninety five, without all the pressure and It gets you so hard to see

the people that are just starting out in to say like skip that season of hustle, because so many of us had to hit that breaking point even like your sickness, to really understand the severity of what's going on and you know I was just like they give. I guard anyone from those hard seasons. It would be like my biggest honour to do that, but our struggle with like well. How do you teeter on explaining what that's like without people, fully understanding how heavy those seasons are? You know why you must have to like walk through it right now. I get tired too tired to put words sewage, even for yard, explain it to somebody until they been through it right like like walking on I'll write when you're married you like you,

Oh, it's gonna, be emotional nerve. Racking you'll probably be like a little them comfortable around looking at you, but until you're. Actually a bride like walking on. I, like you, really you don't fully comprehend what it's like until you're in that situation so yeah. I think I need you to spring up some great points about so apparently in care of yourself, here's my question for you. I know that you're in real need by what would be or who would be for you you're a Roma hoaxes lagoon word, but who would you look I and its aim and our industry could be in life in general that truly exemplifies having made it or maybe not having made it, because I think that puts things in contacts of like a final destination like you are under but like who do, you think is like living on a life that is truly their death mission us exactly who can go even comes to mind for you Joanna gains a hundred and ten percent. I think that she on fixed or upper like they have this tv show, but we are just in Waco and they

live in incredibly private life. They don't own television, they spend a tonnage time with their kids. She has really Brian her business in a way that I think, is just really really inspiring in turn. Of using her gifts by like she protects her privacy in a really cool way, and I think that she has a gift of making people feel like they know her without putting their lives on blast in a sense. So that's the person that comes to mind when I think of that yeah. No, I love that is there's somebody maybe less. I do want to see celebrities Tata yeah somebody that another join us not related bauxite. I love her too, but somebody maybe I won't let you can think of a happier had what I would say like Laura Casey eight. Whenever I talk to her, I just feel like my feet, are planted a little firmer on the ground and she was on the show- and I think that Sunday,

that's beautiful about her is that she can oh through a season of hustle, but then she can follow them. With a season of rest, and I think that she's very honest about her priorities changing in life? And you know there are seasons where it's all about the kids and then there are seasons about creating her best work. And you know it's it's. Hard to, I think, a lot of people when they aren't parents kind of like the aisle moment, like you I don't know what it's gonna be like. You don't know what your hearts going to feel like an you. Dont know if you're gonna have a gift of being a mom, are you really going to struggle? And you don't know your kid is gonna, be healthier not in new nodes it's one of those things are always so hard, especially if you have the desire of starting a family on your heart, where people are like, while you're just never be ready, because they think we trick ourselves into thinking. Like I M ready, you like, I desperately want this, but she would be so need, I would think of. Do you have any one in mind. Oh gosh,

I mean I think law as it is a great example nine along very well. She said your friend lover, What I love most about Laura is her unapologetic necessary in a word, she makes her decisions and she loves her life and she's all aware of her relationships and people in her life and wants to make sure everyone feels King Calvin loved by Laura comes first rate. While I would say that she would agree, God comes first and then Laura and the Mars family and it's kind of like a hierarchy rate, a trickle down from there. I core priorities are the rates by, but she give so much of herself to those priorities and she's, very unapologetic of anything that doesn't make the cut. But I love that about her. I love that her living out her dream life in her calling gives people like me that

competence to do the same good. That's really scary, right to do something that knowledge of their people are doing. So you have to agree with you in Ireland. Joanna like I said, but I know more personal note visa, whose messes with her- and I just love, also seeing my cause she's reinvented herself, which is really cool. I dont know many successful amusing, Irkutsk and successful people who have gone through the gamut of life, unlike reinventing themselves and still found a way to stay true to their calling like Laura, has actually inspiring. For me, as somebody that's been in the trenches reinventing themselves and you no kind of being a low, but I'm stern, on their own feet. Transparency Laura Joy, because it gives me confidence at all, come out on the other side to absolutely so before we rapid up whites. Are you excited about re now? What is sending that you're? Just looking forward to or feeling inspired by or pumped up for what somebody

that life will crash, I'm yourself say about peace. In my life I mean it it's just on top of the sickness and colonel asked my mom this year. I've, my family's just kind of fallen apart. There's been a lot of sight behind the scenes. Stuff, that's been really messy and heavy. In with my business, changing everything I thought I knew only questioning Gallic Anderson the place of a lot of uncertainty and a lot of confusion and for the first half of the year I just felt, like God, was throwing

these things my way and I it was like a backpack of bricks, right Nova like every day, thereby another brick added n, I would pray and ask and say, like ok, just gladly take away, not even all backlog, just remove one of these bricks. Could I physically cannot carry this any more and every time a brick would be removed. I'd like okay! This is better. I can do this light at the end of the tunnel and then the next day would feel like three books would be added, and I finally got to a plain where yesterday actually, which has funnier caused labour yesterday, I am just a good day and I felt like this year like gods. London with me, he's made a very clear sign: is gonna like palms up and accept like what comes my way next by this year. Two thousand seventeen is gonna, be the year that next year,

have you. No ten years now I looked back on and see. It was a really beautiful time of refinement and I'm written reply. I am grateful for the mass and the uncertainty in the emotional turmoil whenever you want to call it like those things are good because we can't be at a perpetual peak in our entire life. We have tat these valleys, where we are moulded and where we grow and where we learn and am grateful for that. So I'm excited just about finding this inner peace and really redefining, I think who I am. I just changed a lot as a wife change, Latham Rum. I've changed a lot as a friends so out of relationships in my life and there's like a sense of maturity that come with habits. Really, I'm refreshing scientist I'm excited about Canada. I'm having a really great sense of peace with that. I think that's amazing and I feel the same about the season. I men re now in

there is just some sort of peace that comes along with like I know that some national look back at this time and see the bigger picture and even though, the days feel really damn are hard like. I trust that there's a greater at play and I feel like I always as they like odd, isn't let me down yet, and so I dont the using a start now, which is exciting in its gives us hope, when we're going through those crazy seasons yeah absolutely, and I mean without those crazy seasons. What do you have to like hope and pray for Raven? What? What? on the horizon for use everything when you're way, if everything was easy or perfect, or if everybody liked you for one like everything, you understand If you had a million friends like, I don't think that would be fulfilling, I don't think that would be joy fall. I don't think that would bring lasting contentment.

I really don't think sitting in the mass and having good people to sit in that mess with. You is something to strive for I love it he's not gonna anew down. Yet I looked back and all of that times in my life, where I really like others rock bottom, where I really did not make it out and always come out of it. I always found a way to turn it around and use that as a learning experience in those have been pivotal to I was in my life where I've seen a shit why am I a shift in my life and without those ships, when we were em right now with you and yeah, I mean the future as a lot of promise to it and I love others. And so where can everybody find you to looking you're beautiful work to get insight into your life and the seasons and just connect with you outside of the show? Yet while I am on Instagram, it's just Ryan and Basi, so my name by it, I mean I feel like directing people that way. For this podcast seems only cattle, blacker and out that's right analogy but suddenly

An email I mean I'm a reprieve. Schedule most days, but if any one listens to lessen feels like If you have a relationship with your mom? That is non existent if you feel really called to just, Many airports around it just be a mom if you feel like you're black Ryan, ambassador com. I also have a blog night super active on their own. I do blood, Please send me an email and let's build a career, outside of you not where we spoke about quickly Do you think we're supposed to community and like that blood relationship there, instead of just liking my pictures and following me you can do. I should tell out reimbursing dot com. I also have a blog night super active on their own. I do blog at usually good stuff. You can follow once more my lifestyle projects over there by a battery confined me perfect. Oh my gosh, while my friend I love you and I will work with you. The seasons and I'm just really grateful for your honesty and for this conversation I feel like people will feel more

our human after this, and I think that is such a beautiful gift now. Thank you, I appreciate you letting me Talkin the things that might not be business savvy about their life savvy things, and I hope that you find some time to data they might Fine, just sit back and have some self characters. You deserve your great thanks for having me thanks. Turning to gold, digger, I've been to show notes for this episode and all past episodes at W W W tat gold. You're Podcast Dotcom thinks for listening and you'll see a next time. You, gold digging dream chaser. You.