You're listening to the gold digger podcast episode number seventy four today I am interviewing the incredible author, Emily Freeman and we're talking all about life feeling purpose Giving ourselves permission staying creative and how to tackle your next project with IE. So that you know that you are creating your best work. I am so excited for you to tune in to this interview today and in to reduce it to an amazing amazing woman. There are so many quota levels in this episode. You're, probably gonna want appendant paper listening to the gold digger podcast with Jenna Culture, the life workshops style, business podcast for creative girl bosses. So you can train from the experts how this digging do the work and tackle your goals along the way. Here's your house photographer educator artist and MAC and she's lover degenerate cultures. This

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excited to hang out with you. So first things first tell us a little bit about you, how you got started where Europe today and what the journeys kind of looks like for you sure well first, isn't in writing or business, but actually in sign language interpreters, which is kind of Paul areas, because that's not really what I it does not really what I do now, but I graduated with a degree and educational and training for the deaf. So I- then? A lotta years interpreted in the classroom setting for deaf in hard of hearing students, which I loved my got married and this is before we had kids- I work full time, My job essentially was to come. The message of one language so that a person who use a different language couldn't stance. So essentially I made a profession. Of listening to and communicating other people's words and so several years into this, my husband, I had twins and twin girls and I stopped interpreting for awhile and during that time of sort of like Heaven,

to babies at one time and trying to figure out how to be a person, and you don't cry- sleep into the cracks of life I started to realize it felt sort of like a shadow of a woman, I can't figure out why I realise that part of that was a handsome. Dropped. The things that I feel like made me come I've been one of those things for me. Was writing I'd. Never because I went to school. Actually I was a piano First, that in more couch then that I did the same. Language and because I went to school for something completely different. My hobby isn't writer was sort of something I put on the back burner and sort of ok. Now that I'm a grown up, I'm goin Did you grown up work and put that in writing Hobbes inside, but I saw picked a back up started, writing again, mainly honestly Jenna, so that I could see. I know that my thoughts would go someplace other than like get lost or united. I've found some idea is on the backs of receipts and then they get lost in the bottom by persons who like this is not going cut it so internet sex, I started a blog and it was really honestly just for the purpose of pudding

my thoughts someplace, where I knew they wouldn't get lost because they were on the world wide web, but I read discovered in that process are rediscovered the writer who was always there, but really never gave herself permission to speak. So eventually, I attended a writing conference. I wrote a book proposal because have a site here for a book, but really my idea for a book honestly, I thought that I never could write. A book is not really gotta, be a book, but our work on this proposal just to sort of get my idea out there on paper. And I'll end up using it with the people in my community. But what is it happening was I met an editor at this conference and that editor that becoming editor for my next for books, so she was my first contact there and she was a person, his sort of champion me at this publishing house back in two thousand and nine, and that was my first book, and so now I voted for books with that same publisher. I prayed in on my course and co founder of membership site online for writers called hope, writers. We started about two years ago

and honestly I mean in short sort of where I am now, but I see what now ass. A writer I still use their skills as an entrepreneur which is kind of funny to think about, and instead of interpreting from american sign language into English. I now, if like really, my job, is to interpret the language of publishing marketing and business into language that our soul can understand and process and apply it's incredible I have a really interesting question in its Howard, did you sign up for the first workshop because I feel, like a lot of people feel that fraud syndrome or like they aren't quite ready to jump into something. And so I will love. Did you hear about how you just took that plunge because I mean it sounds a goose incredibly pivot, all in your moving forward, but

I think a lot of people are paralyzed and that fear of like while I'll wait until I have things figured out before I sign up for a workshop or a conference of sorts lesson. That very question is the question that I see: hovering over every single creative person. I've ever met I think everyone is created and our hearts. Sometimes people are just created and mass creative accountants, but I think- all of us have an art that sort of alive within has just expressed itself differently, but we all have that question above our heads in the question is: who do you think you are then that I think are always asking that question in different areas of life? Even those of us who have quota quote made it or have become pressure on all artists were always asking a question, and I think for me in that particular situation, it really started out. I went to my first writers conference without a book or both without anything, exe

at a spirit of wanting to learn, and so I will never forget walking into that workshop. A conference I didn't know a single person I signed up for it's sort of on away honestly, just singing like you know what my one thing I wanted to do. What I wanted to learn something I didn't know before, so that was sort of my exit, I'm going out. I didn't know beyond that what to expect, but you had to go up and walk up to the count. And give them remain, and then they would ask I sent me not only three minimally p free men and they asked me you know who argue this particular conference was a conference for both either writers, four speakers. And so you have to tell them which track you were so either writers track or those speakers track, and she asked maybe she's a high Emily welcome. Are you a writer or a state I d nervy above in my face I'm not kidding you he's got my and I started paper than I am I gonna writer afraid that, like the writing, police we're gonna come out from the corners and arrest me be like you,

Don't say that you're, not a writer, no one's, given you permission around me this crazy now cause I mean honestly Jenna always ask me was which, what strategy must focus its item. Folder and I had to take my folder and our wines that Malawi and I looked at it and had a little sticker at the top right hand corner the said: Freeman, Comma, Emily P and an underneath. That is a writer, and it was a moment for me because I have never declared myself as a writer wasn't trained in that. No get me permission, but it was a moment for me sort of accepting sort of that part of me and honestly moving towards this was a step of moving too that's what made me come alive, which I think is what all our is is really an artist someone who's brave enough to move towards what makes her come alive and art is what happens when she does that artists just the evidence. So the writing is the evidence that I had chosen the move towards what makes me come alive and for me

part of that is writing. So what did that identity? It look like for you, as you were transitioning from what you had been doing into the role of being a mother and then into the role of being a writer. Why was that kind of like for your identity, in this sense of changing from something that had a very specific title, too kind. Going out on your own and processing all that cassettes, a huge change for you. It was a huge change and I can't tell you how many times I wish like. Why can't you see a banker? like in an area like? Oh, what do you do? I'm a they tell her like a bit on and on and work is over and then especially in those beginning years. It was in here something that was really instrumental for me was I didn't realize how important right was to my own development, spiritual formation and my own identity. I think

That is what I do, but I also think that the act of writing helps me become who I meant to be, and so one thing I didn't do at the start that I wish I hadn't sooner was communicate with my husband, how important that was I think a lot of early for me. I could see for myself, I just realize it at the time it and have a language to communicate to him how important it was. So I sort of treat it like a haughty those frustrating when my husband treat it like a hobby, and I didn't stand that an order for him to take it seriously? I had to do that first, but I didn't It was such a transition, in fact- and you might not believe this, but this is the truth. Is I wrote one too I was in the midst of my third book. I wrote for a publisher and developed by third, but writing it before I realized oh I have a job like writing is my actual ground woman job, and I think, because I did not expect to get that first contract. In the first place it took me a few years

the catch up. I will never forget. I took my kids school and I came Oh and I was sort of running through my legs ass. I walked home from taking them school of all the things I had to do. It was like it was like this hodgepodge pile of work, related stuff and home elated. Seven, british, upping cooking, but also you know a business Khan and took up my editor evil to return and this article to write- and I sort of that- why do I feel that over one and a hit me? Oh, I have a job, but I haven't been military. My schedule as if I have a job- and that was a real pivotal moment for me- but it took me- two and a half what's to realise it dont let this avenue isn't. Crazy, and I feel like there are so many different steps in all of our processes. That You can remember those exact moments where we felt ownership or where we felt this sense of purpose. Or where we felt like a true artist, and you know all of them Little tiny instances add to what people perceive, as

having had the whole time and it's like no. This is such a process with growing pains and awkward years, and all of that sort certain looking back. You know, if you see where someone is today, it's easy to compare and say they got together, but man it took them ways to get there. Isn't that crazy, so. Let's talk a little bit about staying creative in what that looks like, and I can only imagine as an author in writing, multiple books I feel like. I would be worried that I would run out of things to say, and so what has that process look like for you, especially when you're on the pressure of a deadline or just lacking creativity in your life or feeling uninspired? Tell me a little bit about that process. I think the idea that you know have to wait till their inspired to do the work is pretty amateur and it was until I realise that you know now. My job is to be inspired and invigorating because they real

as the night sitting down doing the work is now my job and so what that's like Tommy is: writing regularly, having a regular practice of writing alone. Townspeople talk about having writers, lock or even if you're, not a writer, even in any kind of project creation. You can feel it sometimes it This block of creativity and I think what that really, as I remember said, Godin reading something he wrote once where he said that you know. There's no such thing as writers Bloc have you ever had talkers block, nobody has talkers block, you just talk and I think the actual thing that were saying we say we have writers blocker when we dont feel created is that we don't have anything good to write or our writing isn't any good or its bad, and I think sometimes, I'm afraid to write terribly. But that's that's so key is just getting things out there and working on something that right now,

it seemed to be very good. But it's only that's part of the process, and only in that, when I end up finding, maybe a word or a phrase or a sentence that ends up becoming something bigger, but it's in that. If we believe that There is no such thing as writers, logger creativity block. I think that is actually the problem and its, being willing to write. Terrible words is really the key, at least for me, now lately I remember listings, you Elizabeth Gilbert, speak about this and she was talking about how, after each pray, love became this giant success she felt like, her best work was already behind her and just believing those lies that we all here within our lives, no matter what occupation you ever, what place of creativity are coming from having those they're, just the lies, and I think, just like you said it, you have to get past putting out amidst less than perfect to get back now flow in that energy state

true it so hard though, but it is equally as it's impossible. There are definite seasons of my life and I think it's one of the reasons why I run a multi faceted business is because, feel inspired by different things at different times and I'm a very seasonal person, and so it's been really interesting to kind of harness and understand that a little bit better like sometimes I'm super photography focus in sometimes and business, and marketing, in course, focused in new, no kind of role, with those seasons and not forcing things has helped me, but I can only imagine with a deadline that would be a lot less useful Hokosa. That's so true will and I look at you. I haven't I in a fight with several different groups of creative business owners? The first group is like the lyrical writing speaking group, more of a soul care, discipleship group, a group, in fact that doesn't often self Dennis as business owners, but at the same we are then there other group of more like girl.

Those two is difficult for me to find ways for this sort of me or coexist, but that's I finally accepted. I think that that sort of where I come most alive is when I do have both of those things going and similar to what you said. I think that helps me. I think, for a time I thought I had to pay You have both of those things going and similar to what you said. I think that helps me. I think, for a time I thought I had to pick argue this lyrical poetic type of you know nano narrative type writer or are you like? You know, marketing grow bossy, hustle, Shep, get it done. And I realize on both- and I think that makes the work better, but it it'll be well to get there. Oh absolutely, I never connected with the word strategy I looked at. It has deceiving or ino like you're looking at what's in it for you, but then I realized, like you, have to have strategy to make impacts, and you know

You're putting out good were human as many people to see it, and so that's where the marketing comes in, but for so long and people would say like you're, so strategic. I would take offence to that. Think like no like I'm just trying to do my best working, get it seen by the right people. But then I look now in a like strategy. Is such a good thing, but it's funny how we have we connotations with certain words or phrases or things that we can feel have this negative perception in our lives. Also, yes, so I want to talk with you today, I love how you I mean they're, just so many things you teach on where I was like she is the perfect fit for those just a mix of creativity and spirituality, but one thing I want to talk about it, just creating good work and having the right pieces when you're going to embark on a new project or endeavour, because I know a lot of our listeners are

dreamers than there in that dreaming state there like. I know I want to do something, but I just don't even know where to start or how to get going and so loved his heart. Just about the project creation process and what that looks like for you listen this Maybe my favorite thing to talk about it, because I love to help whole hearted. Creative women make space for them. All to so that they can walk in step with their calling and do their next right thing in love. I really believe that our generation of me, curse, is in danger of burning out before we said what we feel call to say, and so I particularly passionate about helping artists, creators and makers start and finished ass. The keyword projects that matter and so my favorite place a stand, and I love this conversation because I think that this sort of he's right along with, is I loved him at the intersection of creativity and spirituality, and I tend to help me bought discern the. Why hide what they're doing creatively and then

Eczema is that why, for greater impact, an influence could sometimes, I think we just sort of do what the court unquote experts say. We ought to be doing so that we are successful. And for some of us that doesn't jive well with our saw that doesn't Jaguar with our lifestyle or our personality, and so one area where I love to teach and encourage creed of women is project creation and help start and finish this projects. That matter- and I have discovered for me and now I use this with every project. I start on whether that's a website offering a lead magnetic podcast course or any of my books that I think about writing. Or what do I have I've discovered. Three really simple, essential keys that I believe every project needs if we want it to be effective and have an impact, which is what we all want. You know that's kind of why we do what we do, but I think that you know you have your business. You have your minister, you have your big thing that you too, but within that we're always creating new content and new offerings, large and small, and a prompt that I've seen

in both in those where requests and and myself is relentless obsession over the wrong things, and maybe you currently with us Jonah I have a feeling that you well is there s? No one had to teach us how to upset over the wrong things. We are row at that. In fact, I have a shortlist of the wrong things I have upset over. I have set over things, I'm afraid of. I apologize a lot. I try to measure my impact. I wait until I felt qualified I compare myself. I fear the success above I keep and possible standards for perfection. I have imaginary conversations with my critics that one can keep you up at night. Asked me how I know, holding onto regret, stand comfortable, demanding, appreciation being easily offended. Think that one way only one way as right and refused to take a risk. I could you say, do the opposite of all that the project that matters, but it

I really want to offer three really clear essential key, take ways for every project to have if we wanted to connect with your email, client and that first Key- and this might be surprising- is frustration. I watched a video interview between two pastors. One was John or work and the other was doubtless Willard. Analysis since passed away is one of his final interviews and in that conversation with the spiritual conversation, but you can apply it to any work that we do John. Dallas. How do we help people? like if somebody wants to think about how is my spiritual life going or house by so doing? How do we help people? Ask it into my question as a dial as the older wiser answered, and he said well very slowly, wonder time we listen to them, and the next thing is a question and not a statement, and he said

What's bothering you start there and its funding, because I thought, if I really that's that's what you do like you ask somebody what's bothering them and that's really start that to single out any in John or Bird made a joke sort of it he's like what. If we went around and ask everyone to church, what's bothering you and also the kind of laughter and Dallas at the very end of the video in a very quiet voice, you could hear Dallas said well. If we did that, that would be absolutely revolution. And I had a pause. The video because tears sprung to my eyes- and I know about you, but I really believe that we need to pay attention to what makes us cry, because I think that our tears, tiny messenger sent from the deepest article we are to deliver a message that said here is where your heart beat strong. This is what makes it come alive, pay attention and certain tears from my eyes, and I thought okay, what is happening here, and I realise that that question. What's bothering you, this is something that

I feel like I have been conditioned, maybe especially as a woman I don't know but went something's. Bothering me my initial reaction is to stop it down and do not hold it out with curiosity and do not put it out into the light savages oil frustrated and bottom up ignore that. But in fact this could be the most revolutionary question, though we could ask both in our spiritualized as well as in our professional lives, and this is real backed up by surcoat and who I mentioned before entrepreneur or other he's done everything so good and so smart. But he said a very similar thing in an interview with Arthur Jacqueline's. He said he doesn't it given the morning saying that he needs but then you write about like all. I need to write a book today or that he owes the world something, and he said he's totally finally to have anything, but he said in this: The only reason I do any of this is because no one else has done it in a way that I think is going to push this idea forward. That I think, is worth addressing

The only reason I do any of this is because no one else has done it in a way that I think is going to push this idea forward that I think is worth addressing, and so, when we think about what is frustrating us, what is bother and it could be really in any area. I think that's where we have to start when we want to create a project that matters because, what's bothering us exposes what we most deeply long for helps us become more fully alive and, if you think about it, what's bothering us is the catalyst for every change we ever made. So frustration will either shut you down or wake you up and that's the first when it comes to creating a project that matters to that red maximum. Easing like I'm like sitting here, and I wish I could take notes, but you hear me type. Thank you. I think that that is so incredible and I know, even when I decided to do the pike ass, I was.

Like my work and like my plea is full, but there is such a lack of free education in true conversation out there and for so many of us, my mom just called me a hermit, the other, because I love to be alone, like I energize myself by being alone, but a lot of us feel that alone is, and I wanted people to feel. They're just out coffee with is enjoying that answer, frustration of like we are on island in so many of us out there trying to do our best work on islands. But we shouldn't be that's absolutely. What fired me up and it made me, take action so much quicker than just thinking. Oh, I have a good idea. Maybe this would work instead of saying like what does the world need an how can a wait around anymore for someone else to do it. Absolutely and is overlooked, and so one way too remember, I think, of this ass, a triangle of your picture I'm going your mind, and one of the points of the triangle is frustration at the first essential key that every project needs

and in fact, another easy way. Let's go back to elementary school, remember smoky there and he talked about like forests. And you can prevent lawyers, but you didn't this case, maybe where we want to start one, but not for a fire but more like a fire creativity, but basically that would you think of her travellers three things you need any kindling, yet he sourcing any oxygen. So if we compare that to our fire tranquil here when we talk about creativity, that frustration is your kindling, that's what you need to get started, but the second and one that we probably most familiar will talk about when it comes to. Creativity is passion and I won't spent automobile because I think most of us already know that when people are so what's your passion and you know what makes you come alive and and I think that that when we can sometimes you don't work clear identify where more used committee. Talking about that passion, for example,

comes to running a book in a book. Writing is what I know best if I had already sick of my topic after I've written a book proposal which, for me, a proposal take several months to re it sick of it. It's probably not, my passion, we don't have enough passion to let this go on for three years, because he had to pitch it than you have to write it. Many have to market it and I'll be living with this message for an awfully long time, and if I don't have a passion for it, it's probably not gonna. It doubling wont connect with my reader if it's not gonna do with me, and so that is sort of another of those points on the triangle is passionate and if you compare it to the fire triangle, that would be like the match. The heat, the sort of you know, gets that fire going sets passion and in the third key and the final key and one that I I think a lot of times can be overlooked

It doesn't matter what your project as you can be, a marketing experts. You can be a whole blogger and at the shop on a memoir writer writer affixing whatever the genre. The question really is for you, as a creative person and as a person whose professionalism your art is to keep your ideal customer in mind and asked the question, and I am able to peer behind the mysterious curtain of the present problem, I'm trying to solve for my reader before I dont customer and to catch a glimpse of what could be for her. If we can't do that, our project, no matter how frustrated or how passionate we are, it will fall flat and wont connect because we are able to catch that hopeful vision. And so I thought about this triangle, and I carry that sort of the trial

frustration, passionate hope. I use that sort of as a filter for all of my projects, every project that I do, I sort of put it through that filter, but I've noticed jenna- and maybe you could relate with this part- is that sometimes will have two of those without the third and so what happens when we have I just wanted to give a quick rundown of what happens at least and be, and I've seen it and others work to win. We only have two of the three, for example, if you have frustration and passion, but you don't have any hope a lot of times, this turns into a cynical rat, in other words its kindling and its fire with theirs. No oxygen. So, for example, I think of this as most of what we find on the internet, but a lot of passionate frustration, but there is little hope to go around its

is it to complain and to write about things that we don't like things we want to change, but it's more difficult to find those hopeful solutions and I think that's what separates the amateurs from the professionals is when we're really willing to recognise a compassionate. That's for sure about this. Here's where I want to move people towards hope that this is essential for that. Otherwise it will be a cynical ring it, but you could have frustration and the hope, but you don't have any passion and that would be like not having an heat. For this project and that, for example, in sounded, like wrote, duty like this, it's just something I have to do. For example, when I think of, my own life, especially in Us Tat election season. I think about my views on politics like a super fresh it about things I have hoped for something better, but I'm not a real passion, Probably gonna, be, I think I go say on doors and that's not really. My thing I still vote because

I should like America, obviously, but a political project run by me with publishes. Allow, because that's just not probably gonna, be my thing. I might say How to do it, but it will be more of a duty thing. Then it would be sort of something that would fit in my gifting. If that makes us that perfect? I think that something that so interesting to is a lot of times. They feel like online people play the martyr kind of like what you are saying. So they have that complaints and they can back that a very passionately about, like you, said they, arts, the ones that are looking within themselves, to offer. That hope- and I think a lot of times, especially nowadays, where we want change and we want to seek change and cheese change yet were waiting for other people to lead the way, and I I have noticed that so much in opening up different things that people feel really uncomfortable about like body image or miscarriage are things like that, but I can't just sit

here and wait for someone else to do it, because everyone's waiting for permission- and I think you ve- talked about this so much as were all waiting to be granted permission. But we don't understand that we ve already been given it by the person that created us, and you know for not listening to that call like nobody's winning by us playing small, I say that so often, because I think a lot of times are desire and what we run to adjust to play small and a shrink into the shadows, I think a lot is homes. That is when we can look back at those years and say like I was living up to my potential or I. What in pursuing my passions in a way that could actually make an impact. But if we all pay attention to what made us come alive and sort of what willing to walk in that space without feeling like we had to swim in someone else's lane, either be so much that would come from that and so much really beautiful our work. That will come from that, but I am speaking for myself. That can be scared because you someone's going what it is.

You're really like invested in it. Because then it's like, if you do fail, that failure, would be so much heavier than if it was just something that seems like a good idea at the time. Censure is so true. Have you walked through seasons of your life, for you just aren't sure what it is that makes you come alive like have. You walked through uninspired seasons where you're just like gosh, I'm just going through the motions in staying afloat, do you feel like you feel creatively inspired often you know, I absolutely I have walked to the seasons and I have I think I'll say this tentatively. I finally started to accept that. That's really an important part of the creative process that it sort of like her If you think about the seasons of a year, there's always a winter season, and it seems like there's no life here. It's never coming back, but the sprang always comes, and so often times it stood

I think there is something to be said for learning to wait like a pro and knowing that what the seeds that are sown in darkness and quiet, they dig down deep into the soil and it takes time and it takes patients. But when those routes are solid, they will produce growth, but it just doesn't always measurable growth or the kind of growth, that we want that in our time. Why? But I definitely walked through those and now I am so lately more welcome to them not completely. Hocker there The human in areas like come on here, I am, I think you know a lot of times with entrepreneurs, and I mean even you becoming a writer sometime it's really hard to transition that passion into a paid position, and I think, a lot of times when we're doing something as just a passion project or you know it's a hot. B of ours. It feels very different without a monetary backing

I think, a lot of times as entrepreneurs. For me, I bought a camera on Craigslist and then became a photographer the end. You know I still even this. Last weekend I took photos and my sister in her fiance because it was free and I felt free to do things that I've been wanting to do without that, Income are things that were putting pressure on myself and I think, at a time when we start to do those projects and turn them into a job we. Forget about all the other things that we loved before that, and I know for me. I of head first into this entrepreneurial journey, and I forgot a lot about the little things like going on a run or reading a book just for fun, and you know in the season invite I mean I feel balance is balanced. Assembly can feel and, because I re introduce a lot of things that had just hit in the wayside. While I was trying to grow this thing- and I am sure you can really especially being a mother and taking

something that was once a blog and just a way to remember and keep things documented into a real they really lucrative an amazing career I am sure that you felt that way. Can you relate to that? I can relate to that so much. I can tell you in fact my last book came out in August of twenty fifteen is concerned We do stay and it was all about small moment living in a fast moving world. Really a lot about what you just said, and then after that book I sort of really looks forward to a time of quiet. The time of you, don't not having another contract that I had signed and sort of any waiting was saying and I entered. Time very eager for rest and rejuvenation, and what I found was around closeness that my soul, like my soul, was addicted to productivity uncovered and discover that our soul and our schedule don't follow the same, rules, and so I sort of how to re, learn how to be a person in some ways which absolutely

no dozens of crazy at all. So I mean I'm coming up on two years of my last book really saying- and I didn't realize it- I thought sort of my foe yell enter into a time of waiting, investing for. You know my head, maybe I thought it would be six months to a year now two years is coming and I still haven't pitched another book. I have more books in me. I know that for sure, in other words will calm and have even started sort of brainstorming things, but that's only come after months and months now years of waiting saying a bag, intention and sort of allowing myself to press my ear up against the gentle heartbeat of my own life and recognising what it is that I truly need for life and for your connection, and it doesn't always have to do my work and for a while that sometimes that's hard to see when you are in the midst of a deadline- sort of a hustling season of life, which is no bad thing. I think that comes and goes, but if they're too close together, I think it's

these issues are softened myths about absolutely. I heard something the other day and I was like this is so true, but we are so afraid to be alone with our thoughts nowadays, and I recognize within myself a lot of times were honour phones constantly. If there is even a break in our day of a minute, we just pick up our phone in certain scrolling or were hours listening to podcast, Sir spot a fire. You know me a million distractions in the background or netflix, and we want a ban on a season. Then it's funny there there's some Paul and I I was you're hot guess when it was on. But they said that people would rather have electric shocks run through their body than to sit alone without anything, and that, oh, my gosh, that's crazy, but then I thought that is kind of true, like I believe people text and drive, because they can't sit and be alone with their thoughts anymore, and I I don't think it's because they know their messages are really important. Is that we have lost the ability to see, go down to a point where we can sit and be introspective

I know I've gone through seasons of that in its just scary. It's like I don't wanna be quiet at night. I don't want to talk to God cause. I know he's gonna have some things safe and big, and you know it just so interesting it s eyes so resonate with the message that you share and how you share, because I think that you, just have this ability to put things injures perspective in and recognise. There are seasons of hustle, but there are more seasons of grace and arrests that follow that and asked to just any one can come after the other and one is not a success nor a failure, and I mean that's so amazing it so True- and you know that that sort of being alone, I fear of being alone being still and listening

and letting the silent sort of speaking being in the presence of God without an agenda which is so difficult. I think there's both the fear of what will here, and I fear that we won't hear anything at all and that can sometimes send us running even more quickly is because what? If there's silent and that's it, I think at those times when I feel an invitation to sit with my father for no other reason than to be loved and it's not a practice that we engage in easily or without fighting, but I think it so important to amazing. Oh my goodness, I could talk to you for days. Tell Everybody where they can find you how they can pick up your book, how they can learn more about you and just follow this season that you're in right now sure. Well, I write fairly many weekly ash Emily P.

Freeman dot com and I also Emily P freemen on Twitter and Instagram so that we can finally there- and I do have an online course called Cree Incomplete- is actually part of my school for creative direction in that set the school for creative direction, dot com, where I have several different rings, and I even have a fun freebie if you guys, are absolutely ok and save on its freedom, It's a sorrowful way to start any project. It's called the makers tool kit, it's basically a cheat. She and a checklist for starting a project in fifteen minutes or less. Oh, my gosh thought is amazing and you guys can pick that up in this show notes at gold, digger, podcast, dot com. We will link in the show notes, and we are so excited to get our hands on that Emily Thank you so much for spending time with us today. I know your message is just going to really really resonate and just speak.

Ruth into so many lives, and I'm so thankful that you hung out with me today. Thanks for helping me, thanks for listening to gold. Digger I ve been to show those for this episode and all past episodes. W W W that gold, digger podcast dotcom thanks for listening and you'll, see a next time. You gold digging dream to argue.