Here listening to the gold, digger, bad guest worker, smarter, not harder? How many I'm sorry, you guys heard that in your life, like does the ultimate goal, but is but I was the starting point. In fact, I can't think of a single time that that was the starting point, it can take years to get your business to a place where its running itself, where Europe getting money while you sleep or you're, not burning the midnight oil every single night. Now I love, of sharing my own strategies on the show for efficient work flows and for saying productive. But today, with my guest, we are looking at the actual science and the data behind it. All it is straight up fascinating and I have now I heard it explained in the way that our guest cain't north of is going to do now. She teachers, data driven in soldier of in time and energy management practices that result in saving time making more, me, and experiencing less stress, like check, check and check? Am I right

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well, I'm holding your book in my hands and I was so excited when it landed here, but for people that don't know you and what you ve created and what your story is give us a five it speaks of who is Kate, and what do you do? Well, I'm I mean right now here, again quite consumed by the fact that I'm a mother of two zero renewed three and a half year old, and I ran a company arena. Some vigour company, with my husband MIKE. We live in a small How in mean- and I got started in my early twenties- odd- by getting into a bunch of credit card debt which he would not expect. As the beginning of empires story, but I got myself into a bunch of credit card debt and it through that journey that I went on this whole experience of really figuring out how to handle my finances from a place of love as opposed to front

ways of shame and that forest I first but of money, a love story, but then I really got married and became a mom, and I would imagine You know. I know your story, transitioning from being a wedding photographer into what you do now like I just what I used to do just wasn't. Working for me anymore and I got married and had one kid, and I felt a little To be honest, it anything from the outside. You would have never known this, but behind scenes I just didn't know what I was doing like. I just was like all my other friends who came out with box at the same time, seems like they were onto the next big thing and they all seemed like baby. What people are doing- and I just here I don't know. What's I dont have the next big idea and my uncle Roger had come looking for another book and I just didn't wanna be another person. In selling the same idea over and over and over again repackaged

even though I knew I could write another book about money. I just I knew I didn't have anything new to say so from an integrity standpoint I laid low and it was true that experience and then having my first daughter and going through are really tough pregnancy. I mean I'm very rarely here about non tough pregnancy, so just really hard time. I was so tired, but my husband we make the money I didn't have maternity leave. I didn't have you no trust fund. I didn't have any way to make money other than what we bring in our company, and so, while I was pregnant, I was so tired and I couldn't it could be really function. I was singing like three hour Napster day. Not man having any ideas. My brain was just fucked up in so we had to figure out? Ok! Well, if we're can survive and payment, cool bells and pay our team and run our company. We still have to make money, but

are. We gonna make money with a baby with less working hours with weigh less energy and massively contracted time, and then I went through a semi, traumatic, birth experience and then our baby was sick, the first year and she's fine now, but it is a really rocky time and I went from working like in a fifty hours a week as an entrepreneur, sometimes sixty, probably sometimes to working like less than twenty, and in that first year of motherhood, I only had ten hours a week of childcare and the punchline is our business did not collapse which actually wish by and I was so emotionally strung out during that First Europe partially, I honestly didn't even care just like. I don't even know what's going on with our committee, but when I realized in retrospect is when we sat with our garden and we realise our business it actually ground during that incredibly difficult year. I thought well, then, what the heck was a doing working fifty sixty hours a week before. If I did the same reason,

we intend to twenty hours a week, and so that's where do s came from and that's really what I teach now, which is teaching female entrepreneurs, how to get better results in less time with less stress, While I think we need that sitting here and unlike hard take me to church K like this is needed, and I mean you know like I'm going through this exact season in my life in this transition, and I mean is it really possible to work less unlike be more productive, because I'm I'm laughing as you're talking, because I legitimate. We have twenty two tabs open and that's how my brain feels right now. Yeah I had such a great question I mean to be perfectly honest. I am also a twenty two tab time you want to do I just like those listening to now. I am not alone, hyper organised, I'm not like one of those people. You and me I mean this morning- is a perfect example.

A meeting went over and I was all spaced out. I realized I forgot to put Many in the parking thing and I got a parking ticket and they forgot to send the bottle to take her with my baby, like it was gently now, I've met me, it's not about perfection, but it is about. I really not only I lived experience and working with thousands of women, but the data actually shows that we do our most effective work. When we take a lot of breaks- and I can tell you it's exactly fifty minutes on seventeen minutes off as what the data shows, but you can do it our work for you and that we actually, we have an obsession in our culture that, like more but in seat time, means more results. But if you actually track your time and if you actually track your results,

there's a lot of time that we're just sitting there staying busy, because our culture has taught us that being busy means were valuable trip. I've been thinking about that actually quite a bit because endeavour, and- and this applies to evil that do not have children, but sometimes unlike what to all day before I had a kid like her How was I even working ten our days like what was they even doing, and sometimes I feel like it days, where you're sitting there almost refreshing inbox waiting for a new email to jump in, so that you can keep working. Can you relate to that at all? I can completely really to that end. That's really that's what I used to work like before becoming a mother. Whether you're a mother or you know you have for babies or your caring for an aging parent, I mean they're, so many scenarios where our time suddenly gets contracted and we all know The phrase, if you want something done, ask a busy person to do it, because when you

have more on your plate? You become more effective and the things that you used to spend five hours on now take an hour or now take no two hours and I've figured out the hard and also somewhat by accident, with some really specific way. Is that we can use that to our advantage, and actually you know it's kind of like the idea that if you want to eat less food just eat on smaller plates, which I'm not really into the weight loss conversation at all, but it is a that that it's the same thing with our time when we can get ourselves blocked off and get ourselves or nice crackly around our priorities. Then we actually get a lot more done in a lot less time and then will have time to entertain out for a walk me with our family snug, with our baby do whatever, because it doesnt actually need to take as much time as we give thanks so I'm curious case I mean you, went you kind of a life changing experience. Obviously, that kind of you to this, but let's say someone

listening to the show. This is totally be me before I had calmly like I The self identified worker haulage and I love- I love what I do like I love it and I don't use the term work, a hike like a martyr term but like how Can you start to shift to? actually you know, get to a place where you can either make this or make more or work Glasser or like whatever that looks like in terms of the value of time, verses money. Where do you start with this? Yes, so I also can identify with work. Alek tendencies I was also raised by. Two people who I would he could accept deployment matter. Growth of, I think, a lot of us combine honestly and I actually think our culture is a little bit work or how it just this tendency to think that our salvation, ten or our value lives in work and by the way I also love what I do and I consider working to be a break in some ways, especially haven't you get

Let me out, if I may have in the oven bites. I well say I think that if you here's the deal, if things are broken, no need to fix them but if somebody's listening to this was probably a reason for that, and it may be because a relationship is suffering but oftentimes. It's because our health begins to fail. You know: adrenal fatigue is rampant among women from just the go, go, go and Arduino Glance, and our health really can't take it and over time that will take a tall on all kinds of systems your body, and so, if there is a problem, if you can identify ok, I actually am working too much an anxious. I have a dream of the tea. You know, I'm not sleeping well, I'm not spending time with the people. That matter most me. I feel like I'm to structural timing, like I'm on my phone overtime. One man really recommend backing it up and just asking yourself in literally making a list of what is the highest and best use of your time, and I like to take people through echo,

captivity? Is it ok? If I share that, please do right, I'm ready so noble. I'm sure Jenna. Obviously you ve heard of produce principle that eighty twenty year off I would imagine you, as you have implemented it in your own business, so the eighty twenty role says that Percent of our results will come from twenty percent of our actions and eighty percent of our sales will come from twenty percent of our customers. You know you can extrapolated across allotted for areas of your life and death. But let's just say that eighty percent of results will come from twenty percent of your activities. So what I recommend, because I had heard about this from Tim- fair, as I heard about this from a lot of people, but no one had ever presented away to actually come up with what that twenty percent was, and it was more of a theory, and so I, like things practical. So what I recommend is to get out a piece of paper and, on the right hand, side make a list of your biggest career winds or your biggest business when seen a career or business ones. So that could be no signing your first client. It could be, you know, getting

your first speaking deal it could be, I don't know like what your businesses put. That would be. You know some examples, and then, on the left hand, side right out a list of the activities that you do. A regular basis in your workday dino checking email I'm going to meetings. Writing a brief doing a presentation whatever it may be, and then draw a line from big wins on the right to the activity that directly led to that big. When and obviously ones on the left that have a line drawn to them. To the right hand, side to the big one side are going to be your twenty percent end. What I recommend is over time. You're, never gonna get to a hundred per cent of time spent on that twenty percent. That's just ridiculous, imperfection Aztec, but we're trying you wanna be blocking more and more time for that twenty percent, so that you can let's say get percent more results from working, let's say to our

a day on your twenty percent? You'll get eighty percent more results than working forty hours a week on the things that are not those twenty percent because you can be busy all you. Why answering emails and doing things that don't move the needle and it might give you a sense of like while I accomplished the light at the end of the week. But what I'd? Really like to see people doing more and more of is changing their sense of worth in that sense, where their checking in on how much they accomplished to looking at a how good they feel. How do they feel at the end of the day and then be what results did they get, because you can feel really good and get awesome results in an hour a day You know I dragged glowing my mind right now about what you are saying. Is that people are gonna, listen to this and they're gonna! Think, oh, you know tomorrow I'll sit down and I'll. Do that sit down and I'll do this, but the people of that

he success. War are going to be the ones that actually do this and can link what they're doing work. Why likewise to results- and I feel like when unless there is a huge gap that like lead, like. Let's say me: a new Kate, we're sitting in a room with ten entrepreneurs, and we asked them to tell us You know what is moving the need all the most in your business, and why are you are converge in percentage or what is your costs for conversion or you know how is this growing your business, I feel, like a lot of people, will be able to speak to that. Do you ever early? encounter that or do I feel, like a lot of Names were saying, while I wrote a blog post today but like how is actually moving the needle rate and I've heard you talk. How much you like to look at new outbreaks, and so this is a big missing piece, especially for the kind of entrepreneurs of the creative. You know right, brain height, and so it's so import

So it's so important, and this is what I taught. One of the things that I talk about is something called the upward cycle of success that there are these four key aspects of a project for seasons of appeal, fact and Antwerp, nor, as we really like the first to end, the first one is emergence which is like the spring time of a project and then the second is visibility, which is like the summer time of projects so springtime is like brainstorming and starting in planning, and then the summertime is like getting it out there launching right the bomb posters lives. The launch is happening, your on the stage and then or, is the whole back end of the cycle, which is what I call combination, which is like the energy of autumn and then the fertile void, which is the energy of way Turkey and the problem is- and I am coming back around me ground- is that as on

foreigners? We are addicted because, where enthusiastic- and we are generally really good starters- we tend to not be as good shores and so skip The combination and the fertile void and hears what's key about these two phases. The combination phase of a project is the time when you sit down and you do, the post gave analysis and using what worked, what didn't work, what were open rates? What were you know, what whatever analytics you're looking who was the conversion rate which pay we are doing well what type of posts- ok great so that next time around when you're in that emergence days, planning out, you can actually be going up word with upward cycle of success like a spiral staircase, so that you are of course read visiting the same phases over and over and over again, but you're actually making progress instead of just what you know what I'm here for,

Why do people is like what I'm just really stuck, and I keep doing the same thing over and over again in its working and it has we haven't pause. We think that action automatically equals growth and it actually doesn't. A lot of action is just wasted time. Yeah for that slowing down and having that you know, it's like it's like the sweater, weather and freer business get a cup of tea, and you got you need. Out your little analytics and you get cosy with them and you look at them because those details really matter and they will save you at. I know I am like face palming myself, because I can think of exact instances, where I have avoided the last two seasons and you know like we finished one year and we started digging and because I feel like a lot of people. Wait for permission to dig sue results does not make sense,

Greek, I know I like it's the end of the year or its tax time or its. You know like. I know right when we like actually assess things, and I remember it was two years ago we finish the year. We had created fifty two new freebies and you know every time we spend on creating and what you're saying about the eighty slash twenty is something I have kind of adopted in a different way to marketing way where it's like, instead of creating eighty percent of the time and- and promoting twenty they create, one percent of the time make three great up ends and share them more freely, and so I feel like it can apply in so many different ways and thus you're doing less work but you're getting good results in so what you're saying is one virgilius per cent true, and I think as entrepreneurs. You know we love to say like warm multi, passionate nor multifaceted faceted, and we have all these ideas, so

how do you kind of balance the passion with results, because I think that that is where a lot of people get that discussion? of life, but I have all these ideas. So what does it look like in terms of being an entrepreneur to you great one of the things that really helpful about having like a mortgage, any children, to feel that I have everything and still. Luckily, the great news is as an entrepreneur. If you want to keep the lights on, you have to get here So we have to get serious and I think you know I think it's really a moment. One time my husband said to me. I need you look, we run a business or do you feel like you get paid to the colonel, I feel I give the to journal, and that was a big turning point for me, because I really needed to put on maybe grow pants and begin to take it seriously and women I'll tell you what I started to do so, I'm an eye

a machine. I hear your dear machine and even though I am leaving you have no idea, that's never the problems, it's the finishing. What we start and so yours I recommend doing I recommend having a great system where you capture, your ideas so I'll just tell you what I do enough course. Everybody can create their own system. It doesn't matter what the system, as it just matters, that you have a system and so I use we use teamwork, which is our project management, software and our company, and we have these different note books and I have a place for my ideas for this project and that project and my content for my membership and blog posts and podcast, Enzo and marketing ideas, and then I have a swipe file for like adds that I see that I think our great that I wanna you know model mine after in an all of the ideas and then we just cause. Show them and waste casual in time. Where then, for the next launcher than experts,

and were then looking at those ideas and when I sat down and I batch bomb posts, I look at my list of ideas or when I am backing podcast episodes. We look at our list of ideas, and so it really just I love really talking about the dance of the masculine in the feminine in business. The feminine is the idea that sort of the creative chaos and the masculine as the structures to hold that right We all need both and that scheduling and that planning and looking ahead I mean that's, why I just I swear by an annual planning ritual my husband. I take a whole week off and make sure we have kids in childcare. And we plan out the year so that we don't initiate ten projects at the same time, because when we use do that. We made a lot less money and we were wing or stuff. I've been opened.

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near with one before we move on to the next as a kind of what you found with the different facets of your business, in the way that you create absent, Lee so when I start a new idea before I finish the last one, a cannibalize is on the first idea, and then I end up having to half baked ideas, neither of which end up working out that well so it really, I will say this is a muscle. This is a muscle that we have to strengthen with our enthusiasm. It's like it from the practice in temporary. And really saying ok, I have this great idea, and I know I want to take action on it. But you have to discipline yourself to get that burst of satisfaction.

From writing down the idea, and then you can revisit it even give yourself permission to revisit it. Some people have an idea. Files and people have an idea jar where they write down their ideas and then they'll go look at the jar and throw out the ones, because I also have to tell you, I think at least fifty percent of the time, an idea that I thought was Jean yes in the moment, I looked ongoing, actually really dumb. I get bad. I didn't waste any of my hours on starting at Europe Oh a man yeah! That's really that we have in our company an idea, vetting document where it has about eight different questions that we ask ourselves before initiating object. Who can you think of any of those questions I hear absolutely I get so one of them is so simple by is about what is the goal of this one guy, What don't go this promotion? What's our intention here and how is it connected to our law

your goals for the company for the year, because if it's not, then we have to eat or change our entire plan for the company for the year or we just don't you the project. Also, who is this intended for and is that person in our current market? because again, like my husband, I could, for example, launch an entire programme for couples who build businesses together, but have we grown a list of couples who build business together will make any difference so that and then also really really getting clear on. What's the runway for this project also I really believe in a longer runway over this from my friends. Do Mclaren that alone. Where the runway we give ourselves the bigger the result and that's the slowing down peace rather than get a great idea and launch it next week,

I now get a great idea and then honestly like we're looking at summer or fall Tipp to roll it out, because I want to give myself enough time to make an excellent and enough time for our audience to get warmed up, because I think, internet, has shifted, and I don't know what you are experiencing in your business. But you know back when I started in two thousand: a year like oh, send an email made, the sale and There are just so many more people and people our Saviour and they need to be warmed up. So we can no longer ask people to Mary S. On the first day, we have to give the care and give the nurturing and build that relationship. For a time and that's why the longer runway and slowing down in building in more fertile void between projects will really help you get. I talk about how you get your harvests, but more abundant ones. Yes and I feel like a longer runway to kind of test. How passionate. You are about that idea like if you are willing to like me.

Eight and meditate, and sit on it a little bit longer. It's probably a good sign that you care enough about to follow through on. You know it's kind of like shopping. He was just. I had to go out and do something this morning and I was looking at a pair of pants that I really loved in and then I thought. Well, you know defence EL thinking about them, and when I'm in Portland going to the big city, I warned by the ban payment that we shall be drives drew crazy because it means you have to go in the shops more than once, but I'm like, if I still think about it in two hours than I probably like do you think that that, like that deepening experience, eight it's just it's a deepening of our relationship with ourselves. It's also what that will do. The slowing down before you make a decision or before you press go on a project. It will build your relationship with

south so that you're no longer as much in the cycle of addiction to business and instead becoming more comfortable with the space and the pause, and you know Steve Jobs said he was more proud of the things that he didn't. Do it apple that they didn't do, then he s was about the things that they did do, because the things that they didn't do allowed the space and time for the things that they did. You said that's that's something that I think about all the time. I ain't that so cool and I've experienced exactly what you're talking about indifferent is, is while in terms of kind of cutting back, building more because I have like more bandwidth in more time. So, speaking of time, I'm like huge lover of productivity, hacks and tips, and you ve already given us some about working in setting out schedules in that kind of stuff. Do you have any other like hidden tips that can allow eyes, even if we're we're gall eggs or wherever we are at today to just?

come a little bit more productive one we're working yes, this one is further Ladys and using them as completely going to surprise some of you, but I I was actually raise by gynecologist two's like she's. Here you know Miss women's wisdom was so one would think I was actually interviewed for a period. He memory, because they assumed that I worked as like raised in such a period, positive household, that I would have some incredible relationship. You know with my cycle and, to be honest, I didn't really even pay attention to having a cycle until after my first daughter was born. So, like a report Somehow I don't know when period came back all besides, I was like wait a second. This is kind of cool and I think it was the fact that I just made a few men and whose right kind of any of my body- and I started actually tracking, not just when I was gonna, be

maybe because I had always enough, but the other three phases- and I just I'm so sad that this is not tie. Insects, add growing up or in health class because Do you really think that little girls are girls are being robbed of some really important information, so Brains are wired perfectly for four, very distinct, very crucial types of productivity through at the month at different times some men cycle hormonally on its way For our cycle, women over moaning about every twenty eight days and our world and all the planners are set up to assume that we are going to show up and be the exact same as we were the day before, and then the culture tells women that their crazy, because we're not the exact same as we were the day before, but we actually are incredibly predictable, just not over a twenty four hour cycle is over twenty eight days cycle, so much recommendation. If you really want to hack your productivity, this works wonders it's so incredible is to track your site

and not only track when you're in the menstrual phase, but actually, even more importantly, to track when you're in the full the killer phase. Because that's what gonna, be super high energy and your brain is wired to have brilliant. Ideas. So that's like the spring time of your cycle. It's the week after you have your period is the time to brainstorm the plan to get all your ideas out and initiate projects and your brain is poised to be brilliant at that. During that time, of your batching. That's a really great time for planning your editorial planning once a month and then the next one. Is your population phase were more familiar with that, especially people. You know who have either tried to get pregnant or try not to get pregnant, and that's the time, when were actually our brain is the most verbal are all

verbal centres in your brain, will light up the most you're, the most fluent. So that's a really great time, for example, to batch podcast interviews or video shoots or speaking. Eggs are workshops or whatever you know, the talking of the stuff when you're out their pitches and it's our most receptive time as well, since a great time for networking waitresses actually report that they have their highest tips during our regulation. So there's something very real at me- become wee wee attractive during that time, and I don't mean just sexually. I mean just like in general, logically and then the looting of phase. I love the looting of basic, it's a very bad wrap in our culture as PMS, but It's the time when you want to turn within it the autumn of your cycle and it's the time when you're rain- is the most detail oriented so that a really good. I am to be looking at your analytics and finishing up the projects in doing all that kind of like dickie tacky stuff. At that time it actually about ten days long, your body is so brilliant. It's made them

video phase longer than the other phases, because it takes longer to finish projects than it does to start them, and so that the time for more detail, oriented work sitting by yourself just getting the content written, finishing the buck, whatever you're doing the photo editing and then the menstrual time is the time when you're left hemisphere in your right hemisphere are the most. Ass, wired, meaning you're gonna, be the most intuitive and you'll get your greatest sense of what needs to shift during that time. So meaning its really great time for evaluation for research and for really reflecting on. What's working and what's not working, so that's a big productivity. Have that I dont think enough. People are talking about is lining up what you're working on with your cycle to the best agree that you I mean you can't control everything. So this is mind blowing, and this is in chapter eight of your book, because I read the part and I resist kind of shocks that, like we ve, never talked about that order,

will you. I don't know. I personally feel like our culture has run using information and when I really learned about it. I was in my mid thirty's and one would think I would have already known, but given you know how I was raised, but I just somehow didn't the timing exciting. I think it's incredible and I mean there are so many things are unlike wiser stigma around any anything anymore, but especially on I think that, like it's something We go through every single month and I just giggle like when you think about the days where you would like hide a tampon up your sleeve, for that one would know that you were a female and that something was happening to you like it just crazy to me. But I think that it's incredible to think about that, and I think it kind of gives you that season a glance at you experience within the year within a month span where you can kind of seal, I guess I can complete this cycle and see beggars,

salts and then imagine what that would look like if you looked at it from a year at a glance and really embraced each season for- what it wise in terms of starting and completing a project. I think that's incredible. It really fun when you start overlaying the cyclical thinking- and I love what you just said- embracing each season for wedding it. That's really the big wisdom here is that it he can honour not only the season of life that were end, but also the season of business that were in and even the season of the month. We get bigger results in a lot less time and much more importantly, without beating our selves up or thing that we are wrong for not feeling differently than we do, because everyone you do, we feel every energy surge. Every energy am is divinely designed for our ultimate pro activity. I love the quote it from loud sue nature

never rashes. Yet everything gets done Europe and is so powerful just kind of get going right now, imagining like looping my team. In being like we get a schedule. My interviews during those three Greek has had his when I'm going to be most on my game there they all no one may cycle is now it's gonna be awesome. Saving and women that, like I, I hope that there is a time the future when that's like more of a normal thing. Like you talked about with this, we know d stigmatizing, the psychologist, like response well for all human life, amen, amen to that So one thing I kind of gay all about because your book landed in my mailbox about a week ago and is it'll do less and it's a revolutionary approach to time and energy management for busy moms and I kind of giggled myself as like. I am a busy mom. Where do I find the time to read this book and so

Can you give me like a synopsis of what this approach looks like essentially in terms of staying in your career rear, like inspired and creating, but also kind of separating that to be present as a monk is a fairly there is no balance- and I think that some, that the earlier you accept that the earlier you give yourself grace but kind of philistine, I'm on your philosophy and what that looks like yeah. Thank you for a night furtively at eight May. This kind of Larry's to write about four busy months gives it is like. When are they going to read? I will say work is out on audio spoke, that's a possibility, and I did find like here's the thing it's all about? What matters to us, but it what's so important to know is that your priorities do not have to be the same as your mother's priorities or your name. Where's priorities or your best girlfriend from high school. So I have different friends who have very different styles of mothering than I do and like my

s best friend she's, a very different kind of mother and here's what You need to know is that it doesn't matter what other people are doing it just matters that we feel good, about the way we are choosing to do it, and this really touches on the mom got conversation, and I dont know Jennifer you. You know your three and then I don't know if you ve already started to feel mom gal Ternight. Have you yeah I mean it's it's different. There is showing up differently than I thought, because I thought I would feel guilty for working, but I feel empowered in working just being like him. Like I'm, creating this incredible life and opportunity for you, but it shows have been different ways like if she's, being an I'm working and then she wakes up, I feel like oh my gosh, like what do I do? What do I choose right now in this moment and things like that where it's like these little info? small moments where it's like me is about her move. You know

the loosely, and so it is gonna shift every day and it's gonna shift ass. She changes and it's gonna shift as you change, and that's what I found it. You know I'm only three and a half years into motherhood, but again back to the seasons like honouring the seasons that our kids around honouring the seasons that we are in and for me that changes on a week to week basis they started your energy does my energy levels honestly, my kids go wacko round the full moon so be. He said what the moon is doing is really real for us, and so here's what I recommend a I'm having a weekly planning ritual, it doesn't have to take more than ten minutes. I mean we're talking I like to do everything efficiently, so I'm not getting like big old thing. I don't have time, and I don't want to and so where you're really checking, unlike what is needed this week, because this keeps us in touch with what is actually happening now, not what happened last week and not what is happening the week after. But what is happening right now, and what do I need this week? What is my body need? I really go with the mantra body first business. Second, especially,

as a mother, if you go down your kids are going to be kind of screwed, I mean the truth is like we have to take care of ourselves in order for our kids to to do well and I learned that when I was nursing and not taking us good care of myself, my milk supply dropped away, and I was a good, oh well make it literally can't eat, because I didn't prioritized my wellbeing, why that was pretty well, found and so the whole idea is be clear on the kind of mother you wanna be for this season of your life and this season of your children's lives and know that it's ok, if that shifts in a month or two because we are ever changing evolving people. You are not the same person you wear a year ago, I'm not the same person I'm gonna be in six months, and so I think, having that flexibility and grace with ourselves is so critical and divorcing from the picture that we had in our head of what it was gonna. Look

and actually like digging in and being in the life we actually have. And how can we work the best in the life we actually today or even just you know, I found when At my baby, my first baby was supersaver tiny. I really had to go hour by hour. It was like a fool. How can I be, then? How can it be proud of hiding in this hour. How can I enjoyed this hour because if I thought too far in advance, I just got it was really hard. Oh yeah, I mean I'm laughing right now because I am in our guests bedroom closet with quilts hang up on the wall to help sound proven I could run. His studio and get out for the day. But I want to be able to feed my child run she's, Hungary and you know it's different in and accepting them. Different ness and just kind of like opening my palms again saying like I'm starting over just like I started a business years ago. I'm starting you know this new phase and like I have to be willing to be.

Loosened my grip on control or what things look like. New action teaching to get back to kind of like this- is our by our and I think that's really helpful advice for anyone may like what is this new our going to look like and white. What will make it a success or not, and I don't believe in failure, so what would make it successful or needs little tweaking yeah? I love. The love than one of the ideas that my sister actually gave me was to really Look I look at the year as a cycle like as it. You know. I don't know why, but I have always seen the year in a circle, and may I meant you sad wool. What, if you looked at the day, as a circle. So, instead of looking at the day like as a little square like the calendar year to look at twenty four hours as though it were a pie rate, twenty four slices of pi around a circle so that as you're going through the day instead of running out of time, you're, actually moving back towards the beginning of a new day, and I thought,

was so genius and when I think about the day that way- and I think about my life that way, it feels really relaxing and I think that the world could use more relaxed women. So that serves me so well just a picture that, unlike oh yeah, I get to begin again anytime there. I love that I think, that's amazing, wondering that I love about the way that you teach him. What really resonated with me is that you kind of look at things experiment and I think that a lot of times as entrepreneurs, we forget like I said, like things, are not as success or failure like when you experiment you're looking at results and did this work or doesn't need tweaking or do I just need to? Let that be scope, as it does not serve me, explain little bit about kind of the experiments at you did in order to see like can. I work lesson still produce results and what that process looked like for you yeah. So basically, all of this was looking

backwards, because there we were a year into parenthood. Our business had not collapse. We were working way last and I hope they will. How did this happen? It wasn't magic here, and so I looked back and I was able to codify what had happened in one the biggest pieces was that peace that I already shared was tracking tracking my cycle and beginning to think sickly about time it was just a revolutionise everything, and so I do have fourteen little governments, because what what I now busy moms do not need, and busy people in general is a plan to overhaul our entire lives just too much and so little things each day, and I think that one of the most important ones is to receive help and ask for help. I mean that for women is so

huge and when I still experiment with these things every day like their little, it's like little wraps it up a little wraps of asking for help me I'm in view in all just give aside. No with that one to ask for help early, often and kindly because when we ask before we need at it. So much here to ask and if we asked for help, often than it doesn't become this thing like gosh. It's because I failing that. I need help or of ashes, because you know I can't do it, then it becomes just like. Oh no, it's because I'm a human being held and then the kindly pieces really served by asking early and asking often because if you are in the habit of it, it doesn't become like your screaming at your husband. For you know about this.

Whatever I readily whenever my evening here in a place, it's easier to be in a place of appreciation. Went out in for health is part of your daily flow as opposed to something you only doing emergencies, the bats one, and then really just these little ways and simplifying your life learning how to manage your energy instead of managing your time. That's a big one so that you have, because when we have more energy, we can expand time it magical and so all sorts of other different little things, but I like making things practical I'm all about. I don't I'm not a big theory person. I mean it's, it's nice to get an idea, but if I can apply it's my life, I'm not by interested. So so that's why I like to keep things practical like try this today and see what happens. I love that I'm a hundred where's that with you on that so cave. Where can everybody findings you follow? You check out your book can give us all of the places, because I think that

even just starting to track cycles. I mean I could change everything for women lesson the show or for men that are living with women, will we get that's huge. I mean and letting the world know how they can support, asking me I think our men just so want to please answer and some we may get so difficult for the ways that any you just let the man on what's happening with us, but the only way we can do that is to get to know ourselves. So, yes, even we can get the book anywhere. Books are sold and I do have some goodies that you can get when you get it over a great market, dot, com, for such book and then I hang out on Instagram. That's my primary platform. I know you're there a lot as well and then further dotcom, awesome, Kate. Thank you so much for coming on and sharing your heart, I know with my season of life. It is so in alignment with everything I'm going through said, spend Sir really positive voice for me. Thank you, Jenna rock, isn't

What else is mind? Like absolutely blown I mean like I wanna go out and track my cycles and have my team just be aligned on that? I can I believe that we'd never talked about this before and I was going apologize to the guys? I listened to the show, but why would I apologize like this is something as women are going through every single month and heck? If you live with the world and you can just say thank you now, because maybe you'll understand her a little bit better. What I love about hey is that she approaches everything like an experiment, and I ve talked about that. Allow. I really dont believe that there are true failures in business when we approach things and look at it as an experiment. Would you I just see. What's working and white maybe needs a level tweaking, I'm really exist Did you dig indicates book? I haven't him, the palms my hands right now. To learn a little bit more about the things that she studied in the things that she's learned and just try him out see if they work for me I think it is so important as an entrepreneur to discern what is

serving you and what you just need to simply let go of what won't work for you and theirs. Absolutely no harm in that ensue today. My hope for use, as that you look inward and ask yourself, is this: something that can maybe help me and if so, dig on in a low but deeper and try it out. Everything in life is an experiment, my friend social things too hate for joining me on this episode of the gold digger podcast, and thank you all soon in today. I hope that today encourage you to dig your biggest calls thanks for listening to the gold digger podcast, into the show notes for this episode and all past episodes at W W W dad gold, digger, podcast dot com. If you love the show share it with a friend the more the merrier thing,