'Fox News Sunday' host Chris Wallace moderates the first debate of the 2020 general election.
This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
Applauding gentlemen, a lot of people have been waiting for this night, so let's get going. Our first subject is the Supreme Court. President Trump, you nominated Amy Coney Barrett over the weekend to succeed the late Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the court. You say the constitution is clear about your obligation and the Senate's to consider a nominee to the court. Vice President Biden, you say that this is an effort by the President and Republicans to jam through an appointment and what you call an abuse of power. My first question to both of you tonight: why are you right in the argument you make and your opponent wrong and where do you think a justice
Barrett would take the court president Trump in this first segment? You go first, two minutes. Thank you very much Chris. I will tell you very simply: we won the election. Elections have consequences. We have the Senate, we have the White House and we have a phenomenal nominee respected by all top top academic good in every way, good in every way. In fact, some of her biggest endorsers are very liberal people from Notre Dame and other places. So I think she's going to be fantastic. We have plenty of time, even if we did it after the election itself. I have a lot of time after the election, as you know, so I think that she will be outstanding, she's going to be as good as anybody that has served on that court. We really feel that we have a professor at Notre Dame highly respected by all said: she's. The single greatest student he's ever had he's been a professor for a long time and a great school, and we just we won the election
and therefore we have the right to choose her and very few people knowingly would say otherwise and by the way, the Democrats, they wouldn't even think about not doing it. If they had. The only difference is they'll try and do it faster, there's, no way they would give it up. They had Merrick Garland, but the problem is they didn't have the election, so they were stopped, and probably that would happen in reverse. Also definitely would happen in reverse, so we won the election and we have the right to do it. Chris president, Trump. Thank you same question to you. Vice President Biden, you have two minutes well. First of all, thank you for doing this and looking forward to this. Mr President, Donald Trump, thank you Joe. The american people have a right to have a say in who the Supreme Court nominee is, and that say occurs when they vote for United States senators and when they vote for the President of the United States, they're not going to get that chance now because we're in the middle of an election already, the election has already
started. Tens of thousands of people have already voted, and so the thing that should happen is we should wait. We should wait and see what the outcome of this election is, because that's the only way the american people get to express their view is by who they elect as president and who they elect, as vice president now what's at stake here is the president's made it clear: he wants to get rid of the affordable care act. He's been running on that. He ran on that and he has been governing on that he's in the Supreme Court right now trying to get rid of the affordable care act which will strip twenty million people from having insurance health insurance. Now, if it goes into court and the justice- and I have nothing- I'm not opposed to the justice, she seems like a very fine person but she's written before she went in the bench, which is her right, that she thinks that the affordable care act is not constitutional. The other thing is on the court and if it's struck down
what happens, women's rights are fundamentally changed. Once again, a woman could be held, pay more money because she has a preexisting condition or pregnancy they're able to charge women more for the same exact procedure a man gets and that ended when we in fact passed the affordable care act and there's one hundred million people who have preexisting conditions and they'll be taken away as well. Those preexisting conditions, the insurance companies are going to love this, and so it's just not appropriate to do this before this election. If he wins the election and the Senate is Democrat or Republican, then he goes forward. If not, we should wait until February all right. There aren't one hundred million people with preexisting conditions. As far as the say is concerned, the people already had their say. They ok, Justice, Ginsburg, said very powerfully very strongly at some point ten years ago, or so she said a president and the Senate
is elected for a period of time, but a president is elected for four years: we're not elected for three years, I'm not elected for three years, so we have the Senate. We have a president he's elected until the next election during that period of time. During that period of time we have an opening, I'm not elected for three years, I'm elected for four years and the one hundred million people the election's already started Joe. The one hundred million people is totally wrong. I don't know where you got that number. The bigger problem that you have is that you're going to extinguish one hundred and eighty million people with their private health care that they're very happy with Donald Trump. That's simply not true! Well, you're, certainly going to socialists you're, going into socialist medicine, we're now into gentlemen, we're now into open discussion. Joe Biden open discussion, open discussion. Yes, I agree go ahead, vice president number one, he knows that what I proposed, what I proposed is that we expand Obamacare and we increase it. We do not wipe any and one of the big debates we had with twenty three of my colleagues trying to win the nomination that I won
were saying. That Biden wanted to allow people to have private insurance still they can they do they will under my proposal. That's not what you said and it's not what your party has said. That is simply a lie. Your party doesn't say your party wants to go socialist medicine. The party is me and socialist healthcare right now. I am the Democratic Party they're going to dominate you Joe. You know that I am the Democratic Party right now. The platform of the Democratic Party is what I in fact approved, of what I approved of now. Here's the deal the deal is that it's going to wipe out preexisting conditions by the way, the two hundred thousand people that have died on his watch. How many of those have survived? Well, there's seven million people that contracted covid. What does it mean for them going forward if you strike down the affordable care ACT, Joe you've had three hundred and eight thousand military people dying, because you couldn't provide them proper health care in the military. So don't tell me about this. I'm talk about this. If you were here, it wouldn't
be two hundred. It would be two million people, because you were very late on the draw. You didn't want me to ban China, which was heavily infected. You didn't want me to ban Chris all right, we're, gentlemen, Europe, which was heavily Chris. Mr President, you would have been much later Joe much later. Mr President, Chris you're talking about two million people, Joe Biden you're not going to be able to shut him up as the moderator we are going to talk about covid in the next segment, but go ahead. Let me finish. The point is that the president also is opposed to ROE V Wade, that's on the ballot as well in the court in the court, and so that's also at stake right now, and so the election has already begun. You don't know it's on the ballot. Why is it on the ballot? Because you said Donald Trump, it's not on the ballot. It's on the ballot in the court. I don't think so in the court. There's nothing happening there! Donald! Would you just you don't know her view on ROE V Wade. I don't know well all right. Let's all right! Let's talk, we got a lot to unpack here, gentlemen. We got a lot of time
on health care and then we'll come back to ROE V Wade, Joe Biden all right. Mr President, the Supreme Court will hear a case a week after the election in which the Trump Administration, along with eighteen state attorneys general, are seeking to overturn Donald Trump. That's right, Obamacare to end Obamacare. You have spent the last Donald Trump because they want to give good health care. If I may ask my question, Sir Donald Trump Good Health care over the last four years, you have promised to repeal and replace Obamacare, but you have never in these four years, come up with a plan, a comprehensive plan to replace Donald Trump. Yes, I have Obamacare Donald Trump Course. I have well I'll give we got rid of the individual mandate. Excuse me, I'm going to give you an opportunity. I got rid of the individual mandate, which was a big chunk of Chris. That is not a comprehensive plan. That is absolutely a big thing that was the worst part of Obamacare. I didn't ask sir you're debating him, not me Chris. That was the worst part of. Let me ask my question I'll ask Joe Chris: no, your individual mandate was the most unpopular aspect of Obamacare. I got rid of it. I'd like you to, we will protect people. Mr President, I'm the moderator
of this debate and I would like you to let me ask my question and then you can answer go ahead. You in the course of these four years have never come up with a comprehensive plan to replace Obamacare, and just this last Thursday you signed a largely symbolic executive order to protect people with preexisting conditions, five days before this debate. So my question, sir, is what is the Trump health care plan? Well, first of all I guess I'm debating you not him, but that's. Ok, I'm not surprised. Let me just tell you something that there's nothing symbolic, I'm cutting drug prices, I'm going with favored nations, which no president has the courage to do because you're going against big Pharma drug prices will be coming down, eighty percent or ninety percent. You could have done it during your forty seven year period in government, but you didn't do it nobody's done it so we're cutting health care all of the things that we've done Joe Biden. He has not cut health care. I'll give you an example insulin it's going to. It was destroying families
destroying people because I'm getting it for so cheap. It's like water. You want to know the truth, so cheap take a look at all of the drugs that what we're doing prescription drug prices we're going to allow our governors now to go to other countries to buy drugs because they pay just a tiny fraction of what we do. I guess, let's open discussion, let me ask you about. Let me you'll be happy. This is big stuff. Sir you'll be happy. I'm about to pick up on one of your points to ask the vice president, which is he points out that you would like to add a public option to Obamacare? Yes, and the argument that he makes and other Republicans make is that that is going to end private insurance, Joe Biden. It is not and will Joe Biden I'm sorry. If I can ask you the question and it will end Donald Trump, not what your party says. By the way it will end private insurance and create a government takeover of health care. It does not it's only for those people who are so poor. They qualify for Medicaid. They can get that free in most states except governors who want to deny people who are poor Medicaid. Anyone who qualifies
for Medicare would excuse me Medicaid would automatically be enrolled in the public option. The vast majority of the american people would still not be in that option. Number one Joe. You agree with Bernie Sanders's far left on the manifesto. We call it and that gives you socialized medicine. Look hey, I'm not going to listen to him. The fact of the matter is, I beat Bernie Sanders, Donald Trump, not by much. I beat him by a whole heck of a lot Donald Trump. Not by much I'm here, standing facing you old, Buddy Pocahontas would have left two days early. You would have lost every primary all. He knows how to do is on Super Tuesday. You got very lucky. Here's the deal. I got very lucky, I'm going to get very lucky tonight as well, and tonight I'm going to make sure because here's the deal, here's the deal. The fact is that everything he's saying so far is simply a lie. I'm not here to call out his lies. Everybody knows he's a liar Donald Trump, but you agree. I just want to make sure Joe you're, the liar. I want to make sure you graduated last in your class in I I I want to make sure. Mr President, can you let him finish, Sir Chris? He doesn't know how to do that.
He has you'd be surprised. You picked the wrong guy the wrong night at the wrong time. Listen you agreed with Bernie Sanders. Here's the deal the whole idea, Chris. Let him there is no manifesto number one Chris! Please let him speak! Mr President, number two Donald Trump just lost the left number two. I you just lost the left. You agreed with Bernie Sanders on a plan folks, but that's absolutely agreed to folks. Do you have any idea? And under that plan you have socialized what this clown is doing. They call it Medicare for all interposing voices, Chris Wallace. Mr President, socialized medicine, Chris Wallace, Mr President. Well, I tell you what he is not for any help for people needing health care, Donald Trump who is Bernie, because he in fact already has cost ten million people, their health care that they had from their employers because of his recession number one Donald Trump. Oh, oh yeah, number two! There are twenty million people getting health care through Obamacare now that he wants to take it away. He won't ever. Look you in the eye and say that's what he wants to do. Take it away. No, I want to give them better health care at a much lower price, but and by the way he doesn't know,
because Obamacare is no good. He doesn't know how to do that. I've already fixed it. He has never offered a plan, we've already fixed it to an extent. He has never done a single thing, as you might know, but probably don't Obamacare is no good Joe gentlemen. You realize, if you're, both speaking at the same time, Donald Trump and it's too expensive. Let the president go ahead. Sir Obamacare is no good. We made it better and I had a choice to make very early on. We took away the individual mandate, we guaranteed preexisting conditions, but took away the individual mandate, Joe Biden, not true, listen. This is the way it is and that destroyed they shouldn't even call it Obamacare. Then I had a choice to make. Do I let my people run it really well or badly? If I run it badly, they'll probably blame him, but they'll blame me. But, more importantly, I want to help people. Ok, I said you've got to run it so well, Joe Biden. That's what and I just had a meeting with them. They said the problem is no matter how well you run Obamacare it's a disaster. It's too expensive premiums are too high, interposing voices that doesn't work, so we don't want to get rid of it, but I we it's an open Chris. We want to get rid of that and give something that's cheaper and better. I understand that, sir, but I have to give you roughly equal time. Donald Trump go ahead.
Please let the vice President talk, Sir good. He has no plan for health care, Donald Trump. Of course we do. He sends out wishful thinking. He has executive orders that have no power. He hasn't lowered drug costs. For anybody he's been promising a health care plan. Since he got elected, he has none like almost everything else he talks about. He does not have a plan, he doesn't have a plan and the fact is this man doesn't know what he's talking about all right. I have one. I have one final question for you sure, Mr Vice President: if Senate Republicans, we were talking originally about the Supreme Court here, if Senate Republicans go ahead and confirm Justice Barrett, there has been talk about ending the filibuster or even packing the court adding to the nine justices there. You call this a distraction by the president, but in fact it wasn't brought up by the president. It was brought up by some of your democratic colleagues in the Congress, Joe Biden, I'm saying so. My question to you
is: you have refused in the past to talk about it. Are you willing to tell the american people tonight whether or not you will support either ending the filibuster or packing the court? Whatever position I take take on that that will become the issue. The issue is the american people should speak. You should go out and vote you're voting now vote and let your senators know how strongly you feel Donald Trump. Are you going to pack the court? Let vote now. Donald Trump. Are you going to pack the court? Make sure you in fact, let people know your senators Donald Trump. He doesn't want to answer the question. I'm not going to answer the question, because why wouldn't you answer that question? Because the question is you want to put a lot of new Supreme Court justices radical left? Will you shut up man? Listen? Who is on your list Joe? This is so Chris Wallace all right, Donald Trump who's on your list. Chris Wallace, gentlemen. I think this we've ended this. This is so Unpresidential Donald Trump he's going to pack the court. He is not going to give a list. No! No. We have ended this segment. We're going to move on to the second segment that was really a productive segment. Wasn't it keep yapping man? The people understand Joe, they sure do forty seven years. You've done nothing, they understand all right. The second subject is Covid 19, which is an awfully
serious subject. So, let's try to be serious about it. We have had more than seven million cases of coronavirus in the United States and more than two hundred thousand people have died even after we produce a vaccine. Experts say that it could be months or even years before we come back to anything approaching normal. My question, for both of you is based on what you have said and done so far, and what you have said you would do starting in two thousand and twenty one. Why should the american people trust you more than your opponent to deal with this public health crisis going forward in this case? The question goes to you. First, sir. Two minutes uninterrupted good luck. Two hundred thousand dead, as you said, over seven million infected in the United States. We in fact have 5
or four percent of the world's population. Twenty percent of the deaths, forty thousand people a day- are contracting covid. In addition to that, about between seven hundred and fifty and one thousand people a day are dying when he was presented with that number, he said it is what it is well, it is what it is because you are who you are. That's why it is the president has no plan. He hasn't laid out anything. He knew all the way back in February. How serious this crisis was. He knew it was a deadly disease. What did he do he's on tape as acknowledging he knew it? He said he didn't tell us or give people a warning of it, because he didn't want to panic the american people, you don't panic. He panicked in addition to that, what did he do? He went in and he we were insisting that the Chinese, the people we had on the ground in China should be able to go to Wuhan and determine for themselves how dangerous this was. He did not even ask XI to do
that. He told us what a great job XI was doing. He said we owe him a debt of gratitude for being so transparent with us and what did he do then? He then did nothing. He waited and waited and waited. He still doesn't have a plan, Donald Trump wrong. I laid out back in March Chris Wallace, Sir just a moment, so it's so wrong exactly what we should be doing and I laid out again in July what we should be doing. We should be providing all the protective gear possible. We should be providing the money the house has passed in order to be able to go out and get people the help they need to keep their businesses open. Open schools cost a lot of money. You should get out of your bunker and get out of the sand trap and get in your golf course and go in the oval office and bring together the Democrats Republicans and fund what needs to be done now to save lives. So if we would have listened to you, Chris Wallace wait wait. You have two minutes, sir. If we would have listened to you, the country would have been left wide open. Millions of people would have died, not two hundred thousand and one person is too much
it's China's fault. It should have never happened, they stopped it from going in, but it was China's fault and by the way, when you talk about numbers, you don't know how many people died in China. You don't know how many people died in Russia. You don't know how many people died in India. They don't exactly give you a straight count. Just so you understand. But if you look at what we've done, I closed it and you said: he's xenophobic, he's a racist and he's xenophobic. It's unrelated to your covid, because you didn't think I should have closed our country Chris Wallace, Sir. It's his two minutes wait a minute. You didn't think we should have closed our country because you thought it was too. It was terrible. You wouldn't have closed it for another two months by my doing it early. In fact, Dr Fauci said President Trump saved thousands of lives. Many of your Democrat governors said President Trump did a phenomenal job. We worked with the governors. Oh really go. Take a look. The governors said. I did a phenomenal job. Most of them said that in fact, people that would not be necessarily on my side said that President Trump did a phenomenal job. We did. We got the gowns,
we got the masks, we made the ventilators, you wouldn't have made ventilators and now we're weeks away from a vaccine we're doing therapeutics. Already fewer people are dying when they get sick. Far fewer people are dying, we've done a great job. The only thing I haven't done a good job and that's because of the fake news, no matter what you say to them, they give you bad press on it. It's just fake news. They give you good press, they give me bad press because that's the way it is unfortunately, but let me just tell you something I don't care I've gotten used to it, but I'll tell you Joe, you could never have done the job that we did. You don't have it in your blood. You could have never done that Joe. I know how to do the job. I know how to get the job well, Donald Trump. Well, you didn't do very well in swine flu. H1N1, you were a disaster. Your own chief of staff said you were a disaster 14000. Fourteen thousand people died not two hundred thousand and there was no economic recession, a very a far less lethal disease. Sir interposing voices, you made a point, let him answer it, and there was was no one there's. No, we didn't shut down the economy. This is his economy. He shut down. The reason it's shut down
is because look you folks at home how many of you got up this morning and had an empty chair at the kitchen table, because someone died of covid. How many of you are in a situation where you lost your mom or dad, and you couldn't even speak to them. You had a nurse holding a phone up, so you could in fact say goodbye Donald Trump. You would have lost far more people how many people Donald Trump, far more people, and you would have been months late and by the way, your own you're months behind me, Joe his own CDC director, says we could lose as many as another two hundred thousand people between now and the end of the year and he held up. He said if we just wear a mask, we can save half those numbers just a mask and by the way, in terms of the whole notion of a vaccine, we're for a vaccine, but I don't trust him at all. Nor do you I know you don't what we trust is a scientist you don't trust Johnson, Johnson, Pfizer and by the way. Ok, gentlemen. Gentlemen, let me move on to questions about the future, because you both have touched on the two of the questions I'm going to ask focusing on the future. First, President Trump,
you have repeatedly either contradicted or been at odds with some of your government's own top scientists. The week before last, the head of the centers for Disease Control, Dr Redfield, said it would be summer before the vaccine would become generally available to the public. You said that he was confused and mistaken. Those were your two words Donald Trump yeah, but Dr Slaoui, the head of your operation, warp speed, has said exactly the same thing. Are they both wrong? Well, I've spoken to the companies and we can have a lot sooner. It's a very political thing, because people like this would rather make it political than save lives, God. It is a very political thing. I've spoken to Pfizer I've spoken to all of the people that you have to speak to. We have great Modena, Johnson, Johnson and others. They can go faster than that by a lot. It's become very political because the left- or I don't know if I call them left, I don't know what I call them so you're, suggesting that the head of your operation warp speed. Dr Slaoui, I disagree with him. No, I disagree with both of them and he didn't say that
he said it could be there, but it could also be much sooner. I had him in my office two days ago. He talked about the summer, sir, before it's generally available, just like Dr Redfield, because he said it's a possibility that we'll have the answer before November one. It could also be after that, I'm talking when it's generally available, not well we're going to deliver it right away. We have the military all set up, logistically they're all set up. We have our military that delivers soldiers and they can do two hundred thousand a day they're going to be delivering. This is the same man who told you Donald Trump: it's all set up by Easter. This would be gone away by the warm weather. It would be gone, miraculous like a miracle and by the way, maybe you could inject some bleach in your arm and that would take care of it. This is the same man that was said sarcastically, and you know that that was that was said, sarcastically and so here's the deal this man is talking about a vaccine. Every serious, every serious company is talking about maybe having a vaccine done by the end of the year, but the distribution of that vaccine will not occur until sometime, beginning or the middle of next year to get it out. If we get
the vaccine and pray God, we will pray God we will. Mr vice president, I want to pick up Donald Trump you'll have the vaccine. Sooner than that. I want to pick up on this question, though you say the public can trust the scientists, but they can't trust president trump. In fact you said that again tonight, your running mate, Senator Harris goes further saying the public health experts quote will be muzzled, will be suppressed. Given the fact that polls already show that people are concerned about the vaccine and are reluctant to take it. Are you and your running mate Senator Harris contributing to that fear? No more than the question used asked you pointed out. He puts pressure and disagrees with his own scientists, Chris Wallace, but you're saying you can't everybody knows or Senator Harris is saying you can't trust the scientists. Well, no, no, you can trust the scientists. She didn't say that you can trust the scientists. She said. The public health experts quote Donald Trump. She did say that will be suppressed. Yes, well, that's what he's going to try to do, but there's millions on the scientists. There's thousands of scientists out there like here at this great hospital that
don't work for him. Their job don't depend on him. That's not they're the people and by the way, Donald Trump. We spoke to the scientists that are in charge by the way they will have the vaccine very soon. Chris Wallace. Let him finish, do you believe for a moment? What he's telling you, in light of all the lies, he's told you about the whole issue relating to covid. He still hasn't even acknowledged that he knew this was happening, knew how dangerous it was going to be back in February, and he didn't even tell you he's on record as saying it. He panicked, or he just looked at the stock market, one of the two, because guess what a lot of people died and a lot more are going to die unless he gets a lot smarter, a lot quicker, Donald Trump, so Chris Wallace, Mr President, did you use the word smart? So you said you went to Delaware State, but you forgot the name of your college. You didn't go to Delaware State, you graduated either the lowest or almost the lowest in your class. Don't ever use the word smart with me. Don't ever use that word
Joe Biden, oh, give me a break because you know what there's nothing smart about you, Joe Forty, seven years. You've done nothing! Let's have this debate if you would have had. Let me just tell you something Joe if you would have had the charge of what I was put through. I had to close the greatest economy in the history of our country and by the way, now it's being built again, Chris Wallace we'll get to the economy in the next segment. Sir Joe Biden. Ok, it's going up fast! I look forward to talking about it. Ok, when it comes to how the virus has been handled so far, the two of you have taken very different approaches, and this is going to affect how the virus is handled going forward by whichever of you ends up becoming the next president. I want to quickly go through several of those reopenings. Vice President Biden, you have been much more reluctant than President Trump about reopening the economy and schools. Why, sir, because he didn't have a plan, if I were running it, I'd know what the plan is. You've got to provide these businesses the ability to have the money to be able to reopen with the Ppe, as well as with the sanitation
they need. You have to provide Donald Trump. Tell that to Nancy Pelosi. Will he just shush for a minute, tell it to Nancy Pelosi and Schumer Cryin' Chuck and by the way, Nancy Pelosi and Schumer they have a plan. He won't even meet with them. The Republicans won't meet in the Senate and he sits. He sits on his golf course. I mean literally think about it. Think about it. You probably play more than I do Joe. What about this question of reopenings and the fact? Well, he wants to shut down this country and I want to keep it open and we did a great thing by shutting it down Joe Biden. You just admitted you'd shut it down, wait a minute Joe. Let me shut you down for a second Joe just for one second, we want to. He wants to shut down the country we just went through it. We had to because we didn't know anything about the disease. Now we found that elderly people with heart problems and diabetes and different problems are very, very vulnerable. We learned a lot young children aren't even younger people. Aren't we've learned a lot, but he wants to shut it down. More people will be hurt by continuing.
If you look at Pennsylvania, if you look at certain states that have been shut down, they have Democrat governors. All one of the reasons they shut down is because they want to keep it shut down until after the election on November 3 Chris Wallace, I want to move on to another because it's a political. I want to move on to another subject Joe Biden: I've got to respond to that, but those those states are not doing. Well. Gentlemen, I want to move on to another subject that are shut down right now. I've just got to respond to that. He wants to shut down the whole country. President Trump, you have begun to increasingly question the effectiveness of masks as a disease preventer and in fact recently you have cited the issue of waiters, touching their masks and touching plates. Are you questioning the efficacy masks? No, I think masks are ok. You have to understand. If you look, I mean I have a mask right here. I put a mask on it. You know when I think I need it. Tonight is an example. Everybody has had a test and you've had social distancing and all of the things that you have to, but I wear masks Joe Biden just like your rally when needed when needed. I wear masks Chris Wallace. Ok, let me ask I: don't I don't wear masks like him. Every time you see him he's got a mask. He could be speaking two hundred feet away from him and he shows up
with the biggest mask I've ever seen. I will say I want say this. Chris Wallace Vice President Biden go ahead. Sir, look the way to open businesses is, give them the wherewithal to be able open. We provided money. Chris Wallace, I was asking you, Sir, about masks well masks masks, make a big difference. His own head of the CDC said if we just wore masks between now. If everybody wore masks and Social Distanced is between now and January, we'd probably save up to one hundred thousand lives. It matters. It matters and they've also said the opposite. They've also said, no serious person said the opposite. No serious person, interposing voices, Dr Fauci, Dr Fauci, said the opposite. He did not say the opposite. I want to ask you: we've got a little more than a a minute left in the segment. He said very strongly. Masks are not good, then he changed his mind. He said masks are good. I want to ask I'm ok with masks, I'm not fighting masks. I want ask you both about one last subject, because your different approaches has even affected the way that you have campaigned. President trump you're holding large rallies with crowds packed together. Thousands of people Donald Trump outside outside. Yes, Sir agreed
Vice President Biden, you are holding much smaller events with Donald Trump because nobody will show up people with masks. Well, it's true. Nobody shows up to his rallies all right. In any case, why are you holding the big rallies? Why you not? You go first, sir, because people want to hear what I have to say. I mean Chris Wallace, but are you not worried about it spreading disease? I'm doing my job as a president and I'll have twenty five thousand thirty five thousand people show up at airports. We use airports Chris Wallace. Are you not worried about the disease issues, sir and hangars, and we have a lot of people well so far we have had no problem whatsoever. It's outside that's a big difference according to the experts, and we do them outside. We have tremendous crowds. As you see, I mean every and literally on twenty four hours notice and Joe does the circles and has three people someplace Chris Wallace. Ok, by the way, did you see one of the last big rallies he had and a reporter came up to him to ask him a question. He said no, no, no stand back. Put on your mask put on a mask. Have you been tested? I'm way, I'm way far away
from those other people? That's what he said. I can't I'm going to be. Ok, he's not worried about you he's not worried about the people out there, breathing inaudible, cheek to jowl. We've had no negative effect. No negative effect come on, we've had no negative effect and we've had thirty five thousand forty thousand people at these rallies Chris Wallace. All right do you want to just quickly finish up, because I want to move on to our next. Yes, I would he's been totally irresponsible in the way in which he has handled the social distancing and people wearing masks, basically encouraged him not to Chris Wallace. All right he's a fool on this. If you could get the crowds, you would have done the same thing, but you can't nobody cares Chris Wallace, gentlemen. Can we move on to the nobody cares? Gentlemen? Can we move on to the economy? Yes, the economy is, I think, it's fair to say recovering faster than expected from the shut down Donald Trump, much faster in the second quarter. The unemployment rate fell to eight point four percent. Last month the Federal Reserve says the hit to growth, which is going to be. There is not going to be nearly as big as they had expected. President Trump, you say we are
in a v shaped recovery. Vice President Biden, you say it's more of a k shape. What difference does that mean to the american people in terms of the economy? President Trump, in this segment? You go first, so we built the greatest economy in history. We close it down because of the China plague. When the plague came in, we closed it down, which was very hard psychologically to do. He didn't think we should close it down and he was wrong again. Two million people would be dead now, instead of still two hundred and four thousand people is too much. One person is too much. It should have never happened from China, but what happened? Is we closed it down and now we're reopening and we're doing record business? We had ten point four million people in a four month period that we've put back into the workforce, that's a record, the likes of which nobody's ever seen before and he wants to close down the he will shut it down again. He will destroy this country. You know a lot of people between drugs and alcohol and depression when you start shutting it down.
You take a look at what's happening at some of your democrat Run states with these tough shutdowns and I'm telling you it's because they don't want to open it. One of them came out last week. You saw that oh we're going to open up in November nine. Why November nine, because it's after the election, they think they're hurting us by keeping them closed, they're hurting people, people know what to do. They can social distance, they can wash their hands, they can wear a mask, they can do whatever they want, but they've got to open these states up. When you look at North Carolina when you look at these governors are under siege, Pennsylvania, Michigan and a couple of others. You've got to open these states up, it's not fair you're, talking about almost it's like being in prison and you look at what's going on with divorce. Look at what's going on with alcoholism and drugs, it's a very, very sad thing and he'll close down the whole country. This guy will close down the whole country and destroy our country. Our country is coming back incredibly well setting records as it does it. We don't need somebody that come in and say, let's shut it down
all right. Your two minutes, sir. We're now moved to you, as I said, posing the question. The president says it's a v shaped recovery, you say it's a k shaped recovery. What's the difference, the difference is millionaires and billionaires like him in the middle of the covid crisis, have done very well and other billionaires have made another three hundred dollars billion because of his profligate tax proposal and he only focused on the market, but you folks at home, you folks, living in Scranton and Claymont and all the small towns and working class towns in America. How well are you doing this? Guy paid a total of seven hundred and fifty dollars in taxes, Donald Trump? Well, that's wrong. Chris Wallace, Sir wait wait! No interposing voices, Donald Trump, it's just a wrong statement. No, I understand you've agreed to the two minutes. So please let him have it. Do I get my time back? The fact is that he is in fact worked on this in a way that he's going to be the first president of the United States to leave office having fewer jobs in his administration
than when he became president fewer jobs than when he became president first one in american history. Secondly, the people who have lost their jobs are those people who have been on the frontlines. Those people who have been saving our lives, those people who have been out there dying people who have been putting themselves in a way to make sure that we could all try to make it and the idea that he is insisting that we go forward and open when you have almost half the states in America, with a significant increase in covid deaths and covid cases in the United States, america- and he wants to open it up more, why does he want to open it up? Why doesn't he take care of the American? You can't fix the economy until you fix the covid crisis and he has no intention of doing anything about making it better for you all at home in terms of your health and your safety schools. Why are schools open because it costs a lot of money to open them safely? You know they were going to give. His administration was going to give the teachers
and school students masks. Then they decided no couldn't do that because it's not a national emergency, not a national emergency they've done nothing to help small businesses. Nothing they're! Closing one in six is now gone. He ought to get on the job and take care of the needs of the american people, so we can open safely all right. Your time is up, sir. We are going to get to. I have respond to that. Well, you both had two minutes. Sir excuse me, he made a statement. So did you? People want their schools? No people want their schools open, they don't want to be shut down. They don't want their state shut down, they want their restaurants. I look at New York, it's so sad, what's happening in New York, it's almost like a ghost town and I'm not sure it can ever recover what they've done in New York. People want their places open. They want to get back to their lives, Joe Biden. People want to be safe, they'll be careful, but they want their schools open Joe Biden. People want to be safe, I'm the one that brought back football by the way I brought back big ten football. It was me and I'm very happy to do it. The people of Ohio are very proud of me
and you know how I found out when he took the phony ad gentlemen, we're going to get to your economic plans going forward in a moment, but first, Mr President, as you well know, there's a new report that in two thousand and sixteen the year you were elected president and two thousand and seventeen your first year as president that you paid seven hundred and fifty dollars a year in federal income tax each of those years. I know that you pay a lot of other taxes, but I'm asking you the specific question: is it true that you paid seven hundred and fifty dollars in federal income taxes each of those two years? I paid millions of dollars in taxes, millions of dollars of income tax, and let me just tell you there was a story in one of the papers. Joe Biden show us your tax returns. I paid thirty eight dollars million. One year I paid twenty seven dollars million one year Joe Biden show us your tax returns. I went you'll see it as soon as it's finished. You'll see it. You know. If you wanted to go to the board of elections, there's one hundred and eighteen page or so report
that says everything I have every bank I have I'm totally under leveraged, because the assets are extremely good and we have a very we have I built a great company, sir. I'm asking you a specific question, which is. Let me tell you, I understand all of that Joe Biden release your tax return. I understand all of that Donald Trump, but let me no, Mr President, I'm asking you a question. Donald Trump go ahead. Will you tell us how much you paid in federal income taxes in twenty sixteen and two thousand and seventeen millions of dollars? Chris Wallace, you paid millions of dollars, millions of dollars? Yes, so not seven hundred and fifty dollars, millions of dollars and you'll get to see it and you'll get to see it Joe Biden when inaudible. But let me tell you Chris, let me just say something that it was the tax laws. I don't want to pay tax. Before I came here, I was a private developer. I was a private business people like every other private person. Unless they're stupid, they go through the laws and that's what it is. He passed a tax bill that gave us all these privileges for depreciation and for the tax credits we built a building and we get tax credits like the hotel on Pennsylvania Avenue.
You get a massive which, by the way, was given to me by the Obama administration. If you can believe that now the man got fired right after that happened, but that's Vice President Biden, you want to respond. Yes, I do want to respond. Look the tax code that made him that put him in a position that he pays less tax than a school teacher makes on the money a school teacher makes is because of him. He says, he's smart because he can take advantage of the tax code and he does take advantage of the tax code. That's why I'm going to eliminate the Trump tax cuts and we're going to eliminate those tax cuts. Donald Trump, that's, ok and make sure that we invest in the people who in fact need the help people out there need help. But why didn't you do it over the last twenty five years, because you weren't, because you president screwing things up, you were a senator and interposing voices you're, the worst President America has ever had come on, hey Joe. Let me just tell you Joe I've done more in forty seven months. I've done more than you've done in forty seven years, Joe
we've done things that you never even thought of doing Chris Wallace, ok, gentlemen, including fixing the broken military that you gave me, including taking care of your debts Chris Wallace. Mr President, we're talking about the economy! I'd like to ask you about your plans going forward, because, Mr Vice President, your economic plan, he has none. If you were to be elected president, focuses a lot on big government, big taxes, big spending. I want to focus first on the taxes you propose more than four dollars trillion over a decade and new taxes on individuals making more than four hundred thousand dollars a year and on corporations. President Trump says that that kind of an increase in taxes is going to hurt the economy as it's just coming out of a recession. Well, just take a look at what is the analysis by Wall Street firms points out that my economic plan would create seven million more jobs than his in four years number one and number two. It would create an additional one dollar trillion in economic growth
because it would be about buying american that we have to we're going to make. The federal government spends six hundred dollars billion a year on everything, from ships to steel to buildings and the like, and under my proposal, we're going to make sure that every penny of that has to be made by a company, but respectfully sir, I'm talking about taxes, not spending well, by the way, I'm going to eliminate a significant numbers of the tax I'm going to make the corporate tax twenty eight percent, it shouldn't be twenty one percent. You have nineteen companies, ninety one companies federal, I mean in the fortune, five hundred, who don't pay a single penny in tax making billions of dollars. Why didn't you do it before when you were vice president with Obama, because because you in fact passed that that was your tax repeal I got it. I got it done and you know what happened yeah, you got it done our economy, boomed like it's, never boomed before, and the economy interposing voices Chris Wallace. Mr President, let me finish. Let me, Mr President, let me pick up on that. You would continue your free market approach, lower taxes, more deregulation,
correct, not lower tax to the american people. But let me excuse me, but in Obama's you talk about the economy booming. It turns out that in Obama's final, three years as president more jobs were created, a million and a half more jobs than in the first three years of your presidency, they had the slowest recovery since economic recovery. Since one thousand nine hundred and twenty nine, it was the slowest recovery also they took over something that was down here. All you had to do is turn on the lights and you pick up a lot, but they had the slowest economic recovery since one thousand nine hundred and twenty nine. Let me tell about the stock market when the stock market goes up. That means jobs. It also means 401ks. If you got in, if you ever became president with your ideas, you want to terminate my tax, my taxes, I'll tell you what you'll lose half of the companies that have poured in here will leave and plenty of companies that are already here. They'll leave for other places, interposing voices they will leave and you will have a depression, the likes of which you've never seen. Look we inherited
Chris Wallace, Mr Vice President, the worst recession short of a depression in american history. I was asked to bring it back. We were able to have an economic recovery that created the jobs you're talking about. We handed him a booming economy. He blew it, he blew it, it wasn't booming, it wasn't booming. It was the the weakest recovery. Since one thousand nine hundred and twenty nine wait. Is it fair to wait? Wait? Is it fair to say he blew it when, in fact, Donald Trump, when Covid came in when there was record low unemployment before Covid yeah, because what he did even before Covid manufacturing went in the hole manufacturing went in hole number one, Donald Trump. Excuse me: Chris wait. Chris number two number three. They said they would take no you're on number two, no Chris Chris. They said it would take a miracle to bring back manufacturing. I brought back seven hundred thousand jobs. They brought back nothing they gave up on manufacturing. We did not give up standard fare, I'm the guy that brought back the automobile industry he totally gave up on manufacturing we brought back. I was asked to bring back Chrysler and General motors. He brought them back right here
in the state of Ohio and Michigan. He blew it, they're gone, he blew it and in fact, they're gone. Ohio had the best year. It's ever had last year, Michigan had the best year. They've ever had. That is not true. Many car companies came in from Germany from Japan, went to Michigan, went to Ohio and they didn't come in with you, Mr Vice President go ahead, and so you take a look at what he's actually done. He's done. Very little. Trade deals are the same way. He talks about these great trade deals. You know he talks about the art of the deal. China has made perfected the art of the steal. We have a higher deficit with China now than we did before. We have the highest deficit trade deficit with Mexico, Donald Trump China ate your lunch, interposing voices, China ate your lunch Joe and no wonder your son goes in and he takes out. He takes out. Billions of dollars takes out billions of dollars to manage. He makes millions of dollars simply not true and also while we're at it. Why is it just out of curiosity, the mayor of Moscow's wife gave your son three dollars and fifty cents million.
What did he do to deserve it? What did he do with Burisma to deserve one hundred and eighty three thousand dollars? None of that is true. Chris Wallace, Sir you've asked him a question. Let him answer. None of that is true. Oh really, he didn't get three dollars and fifty cents million Chris Wallace. Mr President, it's totally! Mr President, it's totally! Mr President, please totally discredited. You've asked a question totally discredited and by the way, Donald Trump well wait. He didn't get three dollars and fifty cents million Joe Chris Wallace. Mr Vice, you got buckets. That is not true really. Mr President, it's an open discussion. Please it's a fact! Well, you have raised an issue. Let the vice president answer totally discredited. Did Burisma pay him one hundred and eighty three thousand dollars a month with no experience in Energy Chris Wallace! Mr President, my son did nothing wrong at Burisma. I think he did. Mr President, let him answer interposing voices. He doesn't want to. Let me answer because he knows I have the truth. His position has been totally thoroughly discredited by who and you can by everybody well by the media by our allies by the media, because they refuse to talk about it because
by everyone has discredited it matter of fact matter of fact, even the people who testified, Mr President, under oath under oath under oath. So let me ask you this Joe interposing voices. No, no go ahead! Mr I'm listening to you. Even the people under he got three dollars and fifty cents million from Moscow testified under oath in his administration said. I did my job and I did it very well. I did it honorably. Oh really I'd like to know who they are well I'll, give you the list of the people who I'll fire them. No, no go ahead, sir. I'm sure that you've already fired most of them because they did a good job. Some people don't do a good job. Well, here's interposing voices go ahead. You get wait a minute. You get the final word, MR well, it's hard to get any word in with this clown. Excuse me this person, hey. Let me just tell you Joe, no, no, no, Mr President, three dollars and fifty cents million Joe. That is simply not true. Why did he deserve three dollars and fifty cents million from Moscow? Look here's the deal! We want to talk about families and ethics. I don't want to do that. I mean his family. We could talk about all night. His family is already no. No, my family lost a fortune by coming down and helping us with governance, interposing voices and that's such a interposing voices. Mr President,
every single one of them lost a fortune, interposing voices, it's not about my family or his family. It's about your family! The american people inaudible three dollars and fifty cents million Joe. That's not true. It doesn't want to talk about what you need. You, the american people, it's about you, that's what we're talking about here. Interposing voices, that's the end of the segment we're moving on. He didn't take that Chris. Can I be honest vice president? No, it's a very important question. Try to be honest. No, he stood up. The answer to the question is no and he threatened Ukraine, no, sir, with a billion dollars if interposing voices. That is absolutely not true, stop interposing voices gentleman. I hate to raise my voice, but it seems to be interposing voices he's on tape. Why should I be different than the two of you? That's a good point! So here's the deal we have six segments. We have ended that segment we're going to go to the next segment in that segment. You each are going to have two uninterrupted moments in those two interrupted minutes. Mr President, you can say anything you want I'm going to ask a question about race, but if you want to answer
about something else go ahead, but I think that the country would be better served if we allowed both people to speak with fewer interruptions. I'm appealing to you, Sir, to do that Donald Trump well and him too. Well, frankly, you've been doing more interrupting than he has well, that's all right, but he does plenty well less than he does plenty, sir less than no less than you have. Let's, please continue on the issue of race. Vice President Biden, you say that President Trump's response to the violence in Charlottesville three years ago, when he talked about very fine people on both sides, was what directly led you to launch this run for president, oh yeah sure President Trump, you have often said that you believe you have done more for black Americans than any president with the possible exception of Abraham Lincoln. That's true. My question for the two of you is: why should voters trust you, rather than your opponent, to deal with the race issues facing this country
over the next? Four years, vice President Biden, you go first, it's about equity and equality, it's about decency, it's about the constitution and we have never walked away from trying to acquire equity for everyone, equality for the whole of America, but we've never accomplished it, but we've never walked away from it like he has done. It is true. The reason I got in the race is when those people close your eyes, remember what those people look like coming out of the fields carrying torches, their veins bulging, just spewing anti semitic, bile and accompanied by the Ku Klux Klan, a young woman got killed and they asked the President what he thought he said there were very fine people on both sides. No president's ever said anything like that: interposing voices, Chris Wallace. It is his two minutes. Sir second point I'd make to you is that when Floyd was killed, Mr Floyd was killed. There was a peaceful protest in front of the White House. What did he do? He came out of his bunker.
He had the military use, tear gas on them, so he could walk across to a church and hold up a bible, and then what happened after that? The bishop of that very church said that it was a disgrace. The general who was with him said he only all he ever wants to do is divide people not unite people at all. This is a president who has used everything as a dog whistle to try to generate racist hatred, racist division. This is a man who, in fact, you talk about helping African Americans. One in one thousand african Americans has been killed because of the coronavirus and if he doesn't do something quickly by the end of the year, one in five hundred will have been killed, one in five hundred african Americans, this man, this man, is the Savior of African Americans. This man cares at all this man has done virtually nothing look. The fact is that you have to look at what he talks about. You have to look at what he did and what he did
has been disastrous for the african american community. So President Trump, you have two minutes. Why should Americans trust you over your opponent to deal with race issues? You did a crime bill, one thousand nine hundred and ninety four, where you call them super predators. African Americans are super predators and they've, never forgotten it. They've, never forgotten it. Joe Biden, I've never said Chris Wallace, no, no, sir, it's his two minutes, so you did that and they call you a super predator and I'm letting people out of jail. Now that you have treated the african american Population community, you have treated the black community about as bad as anybody in this country. You did the 1990 and that's why? If you look at the polls, I'm doing better than any Republican has done in a long time because they saw what you did. You call them super predators and you've called them worse than that, because you look back at your testimony over the years. You've called them a lot worse than that. As far as the church is concerned, and as far as the generals are concerned, we just got the support of 200. Two hundred and fifty military leaders
and generals total support law enforcement. Almost every law enforcement group in the United States, I have Florida, I have Texas, I have Ohio. I have every excuse me Portland. The sheriff just came out today and he said I support President Trump. I don't think you have any law enforcement, you can't even say the word law enforcement, because if you say those words you're going to lose all of your radical left supporters, and why aren't you saying those words Joe? Why don't you say the words law enforcement? Because you know what if they called us in Portland, we would put out that fire in a half an hour, but they won't do it because they're run by radical left Democrats. If you look at Chicago, if you look at any place, you want to look Seattle. They heard we were coming in the following day and they put up their hands and we got back Seattle Minneapolis. We got it back Joe because we believe in law and order, but you don't the top ten cities and just about the top. Forty cities are run by Democrats and in many cases radical left
and they've got you wrapped around their finger. Joe to a point where you don't want to say anything about law and order and I'll tell you what the people of this country want and demand law and order and you're afraid to even say it all right I want to. I want to return to the question of race. Vice President Biden after the grand jury in the Breonna Taylor case decided not to charge any of the police with homicide. You said it raises. The question quote whether justice could be equally applied in America. Do you believe that there was a separate but unequal system of justice for blacks in this country? Yes, there is a systemic injustice in this country, in education, in work and in law enforcement and the way in which is enforced. But look. The vast majority of police officers are good, decent honorable men and women. They risk their lives every day to take care of us, but there are some bad apples and when they occur, when they find them, they have to be sorted out.
They have to be held accountable, they have to be held accountable and what I'm going to do as president of the United States is call together, an entire group of people at the White House, everything from the civil rights groups to the police officers to the police chiefs and we're going to work this out, we're going to work this out, so we change the way in which we have more transparency in when these things happen. These cops aren't happy to see what happened to George Floyd. These cops aren't happy to see what happened to Breonna Taylor most don't like it, but we have to have a system where people are held accountable and by the way violence in response is never appropriate. Never appropriate peaceful protest is violence is never appropriate. Chris Wallace right what is peaceful protest when they run through the middle of the town and burn down your stores, interposing voices and kill people all over the place, and you say peaceful protest, President Trump. That is not peaceful protest. No, it's not, but you say it is President Trump interposing voices I'd like to continue with the issue of race. I promise we're going to get to the issue of law and order in a moment. Fine,
this month, your administration directed federal agencies to end racial sensitivity, training that addresses white privilege or critical race theory. Why did you decide to do that to end racial sensitivity, training, and do you believe that there is systemic racism in this country, sir? I ended it because it's racist. I ended it because a lot of people I complaining that they were asked to do things that were absolutely insane that it was a radical revolution that was taking place in our military in our schools all over the place, and you know it, and so does everybody else. What is radical and he would know it he's totally? What is radical about racial sensitivity, training if you were a certain person, you had no status in life, it was sort of a reversal and if you look at the people, we were paying people hundreds of thousands of dollars to teach very bad ideas and, frankly, very sick ideas, and really they were teaching
people to hate our country, and I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to allow that to happen. We have to go back to the core values of this country. They were teaching people that our country is a horrible place, it's a racist place and they were teaching people to hate our country, and I'm not going to allow that to happen. Chris Wallace Vice President Biden, nobody is doing that he's just he's the racist Donald Trump, oh yeah, you just don't know here's the deal. I know a lot more about this interposing voices, Donald Trump- you don't know Chris Wallace. Let him finish. The fact is that there is racial insensitivity. People have to be made aware of what other people feel like what insults them. What is demeaning to them? It's important that people know they don't want to many people, don't want to hurt other people's feelings, but it makes a big difference. It makes a gigantic difference in the way a child is able to grow up and have a sense of self esteem. It's a little bit like how this guy and his friends look down on so many people. They look down their nose on people like irish Catholics.
Like me, who grew up in Scranton, they look down on people who don't have money. They look down on people who are of a different faith. They look down on people who are a different color, in fact we're all Americans. The only way we're going to bring this country together is to bring everybody together. There's nothing. We cannot do if we do it together. We can take this on and we can defeat racism in America Chris Wallace. Vice president, I mean President Trump, sir. During the Obama Biden Administration, there was tremendous division. There was hatred, you look at Ferguson, you look at you, go to very many places. Look at Oakland! Look what happened in Oakland. Look what happened in Baltimore! Look what happened. Frankly! It was more violent than what I'm even seeing now, but the reason is that the Democrats that run these cities, Joe Biden, absolutely ridiculous- don't want to talk like you about law and order, violent crime, violent crime and you still haven't mentioned. Are you in favor of law and order? I'm in favor of law, you interposing voices? Are you in favor of law and order? Interposing voices, you asked a question: let him finish: interposing voices,
Chris Wallace, let him law and order with justice where people get treated fairly and the fact of the matter is violent. Crime went down 17 fifteen percent in our administration, it's gone up on his watch. It went down much more in ours, Chris Wallace, all right. We're done interposing voices! Mr President, you're going to United States of America interposing voices. Mr President, Mr President, you're going to be very happy because we're now going to talk about law and order, the places we had trouble were democratic, run. Citiess, that's exactly my question. There has been a dramatic increase in homicides in America this summer, particularly, and you often blame that on democratic mayors and democratic governors, but in fact there have been equivalent spikes in Republican, led cities like Tulsa and Fort worth. So the question is: is this really a party issue? I think it's a party issue. You can bring in a couple of examples, but if you look at Chicago what's going on in Chicago, where fifty three people were shot and eight died shot, if you look at New York, where it's going up like nobody's ever seen
anything the numbers are going up: one hundred percent, one hundred and fifty two percent two hundred percent crime, Joe Biden republican cities. It is crazy, what's going on and he doesn't want to say, law and order, because he can't because he'll lose his radical left supporters and once he does that it's over with, but if he ever got to run this country and they ran it the way he would want to run it, we would have Joe Biden. We would run it the way our suburbs would be gone by the way our suburbs would be gone and you would see problems like you've, never seen he wouldn't know a suburb unless he took a wrong turn. Oh, I know suburbs so much better than you, Chris Wallace, gentlemen, go wait a minute I was raised in the suburbs. This is not one thousand nine hundred and fifty all these dog whistles and racism don't work anymore. Suburbs are by and large integrated there's many people today driving their kids to soccer practice and slash or to black and white and hispanic in the same car as there have been any time in the past. What really is a threat to the suburbs and their safety is his failure to deal with covid they're dying in the suburbs. His failure to deal with the environment they're being flooded, they're
being burned out because of his refusal to do anything. That's why the suburbs are in trouble. I do want to talk about this issue of law and order, though, and in the joint recommendation that came from the Biden, Bernie Sanders Task Force, you talked about quote reimagining policing. First of all, what does reimagining policing mean and do you support it means? Ah, ah let me if I might finish the question: what does reimagining policing mean and do you support the black lives matter? Call for community control of policing? Look. What I support is the police having the opportunity to deal with the problems they face and I'm totally opposed to defunding the police officers as a matter of fact, police, local police, the only one defunding in his budget calls for a four hundred dollars million cut in local law enforcement assistance. They need more assistance, they need when they show up for a nine hundred and eleven call to have someone with them
as a psychologist or psychiatrist, to keep them from having to use force and be able to talk people down. We have to have community policing like we had before, where the officers get to know the people in the communities. That's when crime went down, it didn't go up, it went down, and so we have to be engaged in Donald Trump. That's not what they're talking about Chris! That's not what he's talking about defunding the police. That is not true. He doesn't have any law support. He has no law enforcement support. That's not true! Almost nothing! That's not! Oh really! Who do you have name? One group that supports you name, one group that came out and supported you go ahead. Think we have time. We don't have time to do anything. Interposing voices, no, no think about it. Interposing voices, folks, folks, name, one law enforcement group that came out and supported you, Joe gentlemen. I think I'm going to take back the moderator's role there are. I don't think there are any. I want to get to another subject, which is the issue of protests in many cities that have turned violent in Portland Oregon, especially we had a more than one hundred straight days of protests, which
I think you would agree. You talk about peaceful protests. Many of those turned into riots. Joe Biden were not peaceful, Mr Vice President, you say that people who commit crimes should be held accountable. The question I have, though, is as the democratic nominee and earlier tonight. You said that you are the Democratic Party right now. Have you ever called the democratic mayor of Portland or the democratic governor of Oregon and said? Hey you've got to stop this bring in the National Guard, do whatever it takes, but you'd stop days and months of violence in Portland I don't hold public office. Now I am a former vice president. I've made it clear. I've made it clear in my public statements that the violence should be prosecuted, it should be prosecuted and anyone who commits it should be prosecuted Chris Wallace, but you've never called for the people. Donald Trump he's never said that Chris Wallace excuse me, sir. You had never called for the leaders in Portland and in Oregon to call and bring in the National Guard and knock off one hundred days of riots.
They can in fact take care of it if he'd just stay out of the way. Look here, Donald Trump, oh really, oh, really! Here's the thing Chris Wallace, Sir Donald Trump I sent in the US marshals Chris Wallace. I asked him question Donald Trump to get the killer of a young man in the middle of the street and they shot him and for three days. Mr President, Trump Portland wouldn't do anything I had to send in the US marshals and they took care of business. President Trump go ahead, sir, and by the way you know his own former spokesperson said. You know. Riots and chaos and violence help his cause. That's what this is all about. Donald Trump, I don't know who said that I do Donald Trump who, who I think Kellyanne Conway Donald Trump. I don't think she said that she said that and so here's the point Chris Wallace all right. Here's the point Chris Wallace go ahead, sir. The point is that that's what he is keeps trying to rile everything up. He doesn't want to calm things down instead of going in and talking to people and saying, let's get everybody together, figure out how to deal with this. What's he do he just pours gasoline on the fire constantly every single, solitary time, ok and to end this button up this segment, I'm going to give you a minute to answer, sir.
You have repeatedly criticized Donald Trump. Well, wait a minute! I have to answer his statement. You have repeatedly Donald Trump wait just one! Second, no you've been talking back and forth. He made a statement, I'm asking you. I would love to end it. You know, sir, I would love to end it. You know. If you want to switch seats, we could do that. We could very quickly send in the National guard it would be over. There would be no problem, ok, but they don't want to accept the national guard. You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specific, like calling out Antifa and other left wing extremist groups. That's right, but are you willing tonight to condemn white, supremacists and militia groups, Donald Trump sure and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these settings, as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland sure I'm willing to do that Chris Wallace? Are you prepared to specifically Joe Biden? Do it, but I would say: go ahead, sir, I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing not from the right wing Chris Wallace. So what are you saying? I'm willing to do anything. I want to see peace Chris Wallace. Well, then, do it Sir Joe Biden say it: do it say it you want to call them? What do you want to call them? Give me a name give me a name Chris Wallace, White,
supremacists and right wing militias. Joe Biden proud boys, proud boys, stand back and stand by, but I'll tell you what I'll tell you what somebody has got to do something about Antifa and the left, because this is not a right wing problem. This is a left wing. His own FBI, director, said the inaudible Chris Wallace go ahead, go ahead. Sir White Supremacists Antifa is an idea, not an organization. Oh you've got to be kidding, not a militia, that's what his FBI, his FBI director, said. Well, then, you know what he's wrong Chris Wallace? No, no we're done, sir. We're moving on to the next interposing voices. Everybody inaudible administration, when a bat hits you over the head. That's not an idea. Everybody in your administration tells you the truth. Has a bad idea. Can I tell you what you have? No ideas that are Antifa Antifa is a dangerous radical group. Chris Wallace all right, gentlemen, we're now moving onto the Trump and Biden Records, and you ought to be careful with them. They'll overthrow you in two seconds when a president, I'm going to ask a question when the president seeks a second term, it is generally a referendum on his record, but Vice President Biden, you like to quote one of your dad's sayings, which is don't compare me
to the almighty. Compare me to the alternative, and in this case sir, you are the alternative. Looking at both of your records, I'm going to ask each of you. Why should voters elect you, president? Over your opponent, in this segment, President Trump you'll go first, two minutes, because there has never been an administration or a president who has done more than I've done in a period of three and one slash two years and that's despite the impeachment hoax, and you saw what happened today with Hillary Clinton, where it was a whole big con job. But despite going through all of these things, where I had to fight both flanks and behind me and above there has never been an administration, that's done what I've done. The greatest before Covid came in the greatest economy in history, lowest unemployment numbers everything was good. Everything was going and by the way there was unity going to happen. People were calling me for the first time in years they were calling and they were saying it's time- maybe and then what happened we got hit,
but now we're building it back up again: a rebuilding of the military, including space force and all of the other things, a fixing of the VA which was a mess under him. Three hundred and eight thousand people died because they didn't have proper health care, it was a mess and we now got a ninety one percent approval rating at the VA. Our vets. We take care of our vets, but we've rebuilt our military, the job that we've done and I'll tell you something some people say: maybe the most important by the end of the first term I'll, have approximately three hundred federal judges and court of appeals, judges, three hundred and hopefully three great Supreme Court judges justices. That is a record the likes of which very few people- and you know one of the reasons I'll have so many judges, because President Obama and him left me one hundred and twenty eight judges to fill when you leave office, you don't leave any judges, that's like you! Just don't do that. They left one hundred and twenty eight openings,
and if I were a member of his party because they have a little different philosophy, I'd say: if you left us one hundred and twenty eight openings, you can't be a good president. You can't be a good vice president, but I want to thank you because it gives us almost it'll, probably be above that number by the end of this term. Chris Wallace time, Sir three hundred judges, it's a record looking at both your records. Why should voters elect you, president, as opposed to President Trump? Under this? You have two minutes uninterrupted. Under this president, we've become weaker, sicker, poorer, more divided and more