'Fox News Sunday' host Chris Wallace moderates the first debate of the 2020 general election.
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Applauding
gentlemen, a lot of people
have been waiting
for this night, so let's get
going.
Our first subject is the Supreme
Court.
President Trump, you nominated
Amy Coney Barrett
over the weekend to succeed
the late Ruth Bader Ginsburg
on the court.
You say the constitution is
clear about your obligation
and the Senate's to consider
a nominee to the court.
Vice President Biden, you say
that this is an effort
by the President and Republicans
to jam through an appointment
and what you call an abuse
of power.
My first question to both of you
tonight:
why are you right
in the argument you make
and your opponent wrong
and where do you think a justice
Barrett would take the court
president Trump
in this first segment?
You go first,
two minutes.
Thank you very much Chris.
I will tell you very simply:
we won the election.
Elections have consequences.
We have the Senate,
we have the White House
and we have
a phenomenal nominee
respected by all
top top academic
good in every way,
good in every way.
In fact, some of her biggest
endorsers are very liberal
people from Notre Dame
and other places.
So I think she's going to be
fantastic.
We have plenty of time,
even if we did it
after the election itself.
I have a lot of time
after the election, as you know,
so I think that she will be
outstanding,
she's going to be as
good as anybody that has served
on that court.
We really feel that
we have a professor at Notre
Dame highly respected by all
said: she's. The single greatest
student he's ever had
he's been a professor
for a long time
and a great school,
and we just
we won the election
and therefore we have the right
to choose her
and very few people knowingly
would say otherwise
and by the way, the Democrats,
they wouldn't even think
about not doing it.
If they had.
The only difference
is they'll try and do it faster,
there's, no way they would give
it up.
They had Merrick Garland,
but the problem is they didn't
have the election,
so they were stopped,
and probably that would happen
in reverse. Also
definitely would happen
in reverse,
so we won the election
and we have the right to do it.
Chris
president, Trump. Thank you
same question to you. Vice
President Biden,
you have two minutes
well. First of all, thank you
for doing this
and looking forward to this. Mr
President,
Donald Trump, thank you Joe.
The american people have
a right to have a say in who
the Supreme Court nominee is,
and that say occurs when they
vote for United States senators
and when they vote
for the President of the United
States,
they're not going to get
that chance now because we're
in the middle of an election
already,
the election has already
started.
Tens of thousands of people
have already voted,
and so the thing that should
happen is we should wait.
We should wait and see what
the outcome of this election is,
because that's the only way
the american people get
to express their view
is by who they elect
as president and who they elect,
as vice president
now what's at stake
here is the president's
made it clear: he wants to get
rid of the affordable care act.
He's been running on that.
He ran on that
and he has been governing
on that
he's in the Supreme Court right
now trying to get rid
of the affordable care act
which will strip twenty million
people from having insurance
health insurance.
Now, if it goes into court
and the justice- and I have
nothing- I'm not opposed
to the justice,
she seems like a very fine
person
but she's written before she
went in the bench, which
is her right,
that she thinks
that the affordable care act is
not constitutional.
The other thing
is on the court
and if it's struck down
what happens,
women's rights are fundamentally
changed.
Once again, a woman could be
held, pay more money because she
has a preexisting condition
or pregnancy
they're able to charge women
more
for the same exact procedure
a man gets
and that ended when we in fact
passed the affordable care act
and there's one hundred million people
who have preexisting conditions
and they'll be taken away
as well.
Those preexisting conditions,
the insurance companies
are going to love this,
and so it's just not
appropriate to do this
before this election.
If he wins the election
and the Senate is Democrat
or Republican, then he goes
forward.
If not, we should wait
until February
all right.
There aren't one hundred million people
with preexisting conditions.
As far as the say is concerned,
the people already had
their say.
They ok, Justice, Ginsburg, said
very powerfully very strongly
at some point ten years
ago, or so
she said a president
and the Senate
is elected for a period of time,
but a president is elected
for four years:
we're not elected for three
years,
I'm not elected for three years,
so we have the Senate.
We have a president
he's elected
until the next election
during that period of time.
During that period of time
we have an opening,
I'm not elected for three years,
I'm elected for four years
and the one hundred million people
the election's already
started
Joe. The one hundred million people
is totally wrong.
I don't know where you got
that number.
The bigger problem that you have
is that you're going
to extinguish one hundred and eighty million people
with their private health care
that they're very happy with
Donald Trump. That's simply not
true!
Well, you're, certainly going
to socialists
you're, going
into socialist medicine,
we're now into
gentlemen, we're now
into open discussion.
Joe Biden open discussion,
open discussion.
Yes, I agree
go ahead, vice president
number one, he knows that what
I proposed,
what I proposed
is that we expand Obamacare
and we increase it.
We do not wipe any
and one of the big debates we
had with twenty three of my colleagues
trying to win the nomination
that I won
were saying. That Biden wanted
to allow people to have
private insurance still
they can
they do
they will under my proposal.
That's not what you said
and it's not what your party has
said.
That is simply a lie.
Your party doesn't say
your party wants to go socialist
medicine.
The party is me
and socialist healthcare
right now. I
am the Democratic Party
they're going to dominate you
Joe.
You know that
I am the Democratic Party
right now.
The platform
of the Democratic Party
is what I in fact
approved, of what I approved of
now. Here's the deal
the deal is that it's going
to wipe out preexisting
conditions
by the way, the two hundred thousand people
that have died on his watch.
How many of those have survived?
Well, there's seven million
people that contracted covid.
What does it mean for them going
forward if you strike down
the affordable care ACT,
Joe you've had three hundred and eight thousand
military people dying,
because you couldn't provide
them proper health care
in the military.
So don't tell me about this.
I'm talk about this.
If you were here, it wouldn't
be two hundred. It would be two million
people, because you were very
late on the draw.
You didn't want me to ban
China, which was heavily
infected.
You didn't want me to ban
Chris all right, we're,
gentlemen,
Europe, which was heavily
Chris. Mr President,
you would have been much
later Joe
much later.
Mr President,
Chris you're talking about two
million people,
Joe Biden you're not going
to be able to shut him up
as the moderator we are going
to talk about covid
in the next segment,
but go ahead.
Let me finish.
The point is that the president
also is opposed to ROE V Wade,
that's on the ballot as well
in the court in the court,
and so that's also at stake
right now,
and so the election has already
begun.
You don't know it's
on the ballot.
Why is it on the ballot?
Because you said
Donald Trump, it's not
on the ballot.
It's on the ballot
in the court.
I don't think so
in the court.
There's nothing happening
there!
Donald! Would you just
you don't know her view on ROE
V Wade.
I don't know
well all right.
Let's all right! Let's talk,
we got a lot to unpack here,
gentlemen.
We got a lot of time
on health care and then
we'll come back to ROE V Wade,
Joe Biden all right.
Mr President, the Supreme
Court will hear a case a week
after the election in which
the Trump Administration,
along with eighteen state attorneys
general, are seeking
to overturn
Donald Trump. That's right,
Obamacare to end Obamacare.
You have spent the last
Donald Trump because they want
to give good health care.
If I may ask my question, Sir
Donald Trump Good Health care
over the last four years,
you have promised to repeal
and replace Obamacare,
but you have never in these four
years, come up with a plan,
a comprehensive plan
to replace
Donald Trump. Yes, I have
Obamacare
Donald Trump Course. I have
well I'll give
we got rid
of the individual mandate.
Excuse me,
I'm going to give you
an opportunity.
I got rid
of the individual mandate, which
was a big chunk of
Chris. That is not
a comprehensive plan.
That is absolutely
a big thing
that was the worst part
of Obamacare.
I didn't ask sir
you're debating him, not me
Chris. That was the worst part
of.
Let me ask my question
I'll ask Joe
Chris: no,
your individual mandate
was the most unpopular aspect
of Obamacare.
I got rid of it.
I'd like you to,
we will protect people.
Mr President,
I'm the moderator
of this debate
and I would like you to let me
ask my question
and then you can answer
go ahead.
You in the course
of these four years
have never come up
with a comprehensive plan
to replace Obamacare,
and just this last Thursday you
signed a largely
symbolic executive order
to protect people
with preexisting conditions, five
days before this debate.
So my question, sir, is what
is the Trump health care plan?
Well, first of all I
guess I'm debating you not him,
but that's. Ok,
I'm not surprised.
Let me just tell you something
that there's nothing symbolic,
I'm cutting drug prices,
I'm going with favored nations,
which no president has
the courage to do because you're
going against big Pharma
drug prices will be coming
down, eighty percent or ninety percent.
You could have done it
during your forty seven year period
in government, but you didn't do
it
nobody's done it
so we're cutting health care
all of the things
that we've done
Joe Biden. He has not cut health
care.
I'll give you an example
insulin it's going to. It
was destroying families
destroying people
because I'm getting it for so
cheap. It's like water.
You want to know the truth,
so cheap
take a look at all of the drugs
that what we're doing
prescription drug prices
we're going to allow
our governors now
to go to other countries
to buy drugs because they pay
just a tiny fraction of what we
do.
I guess, let's open discussion,
let me ask you about. Let me
you'll be happy.
This is big stuff.
Sir you'll be happy.
I'm about to pick up on one
of your points to ask the vice
president,
which is he points out that you
would like to add
a public option to Obamacare?
Yes,
and the argument that he makes
and other Republicans make
is that that is going to end
private insurance,
Joe Biden. It is not
and will
Joe Biden I'm sorry.
If I can ask you the question
and it will end
Donald Trump, not what
your party says. By the way
it will end private
insurance and create
a government takeover of health
care.
It does not
it's only for those people who
are so poor. They qualify
for Medicaid.
They can get that free in most
states
except governors who want
to deny people who are poor
Medicaid.
Anyone who qualifies
for Medicare would
excuse me Medicaid would
automatically be enrolled
in the public option.
The vast majority
of the american people
would still not
be in that option.
Number one
Joe. You agree with Bernie
Sanders's far left
on the manifesto. We call it
and that gives you
socialized medicine.
Look hey, I'm not going
to listen to him.
The fact of the matter
is, I beat Bernie Sanders,
Donald Trump, not by much.
I beat him by a whole heck
of a lot
Donald Trump. Not by much
I'm here, standing facing you
old, Buddy
Pocahontas would have left two
days early.
You would have lost
every primary
all. He knows how to do is
on Super Tuesday.
You got very lucky.
Here's the deal.
I got very lucky,
I'm going to get very lucky
tonight as well,
and tonight I'm going to make
sure because here's the deal,
here's the deal.
The fact is that everything he's
saying so far is simply a lie.
I'm not here to call out
his lies.
Everybody knows he's a liar
Donald Trump, but you agree.
I just want to make sure
Joe you're, the liar.
I want to make sure
you graduated last
in your class in
I I I want to make sure.
Mr President, can you let him
finish, Sir
Chris? He doesn't know how to do
that.
He has
you'd be surprised.
You picked the wrong guy
the wrong night
at the wrong time.
Listen you agreed with Bernie
Sanders.
Here's the deal
the whole idea,
Chris. Let him
there is no manifesto number
one
Chris! Please let him speak!
Mr President,
number two
Donald Trump just lost
the left
number two. I
you just lost the left.
You agreed with Bernie Sanders
on a plan
folks,
but that's absolutely agreed
to
folks. Do you have any idea?
And under that plan
you have socialized
what this clown is doing.
They call it Medicare
for all
interposing voices,
Chris Wallace. Mr President,
socialized medicine,
Chris Wallace, Mr President.
Well, I tell you what
he is not for any help
for people needing health care,
Donald Trump who is Bernie,
because he in fact already
has cost ten million people,
their health care that they had
from their employers because
of his recession number one
Donald Trump. Oh, oh yeah,
number two!
There are twenty million people
getting health care
through Obamacare now that he
wants to take it away.
He won't ever. Look you
in the eye
and say that's what he wants
to do. Take it away.
No, I want to give them better
health care at a much lower
price,
but and by the way
he doesn't know,
because Obamacare is no good.
He doesn't know how to do
that.
I've already fixed it.
He has never offered a plan,
we've already fixed it
to an extent.
He has never done
a single thing,
as you might know,
but probably don't Obamacare
is no good Joe
gentlemen. You realize,
if you're, both speaking
at the same time,
Donald Trump and it's
too expensive.
Let the president go ahead.
Sir
Obamacare is no good.
We made it better
and I had a choice to make very
early on.
We took away
the individual mandate,
we guaranteed preexisting
conditions, but took away
the individual mandate,
Joe Biden, not true,
listen. This is the way it is
and that destroyed they
shouldn't even call it
Obamacare.
Then I had a choice to make.
Do I let my people run it really
well or badly?
If I run it badly,
they'll probably blame him,
but they'll blame me.
But, more importantly, I want
to help people. Ok,
I said you've got to run it
so well,
Joe Biden. That's what
and I just had a meeting
with them.
They said the problem
is no matter how well you run
Obamacare it's a disaster.
It's too expensive
premiums are too high,
interposing voices
that doesn't work,
so we don't want to get rid
of it,
but I we it's an open
Chris. We want to get
rid of that
and give something that's
cheaper and better.
I understand that, sir,
but I have to give you roughly
equal time.
Donald Trump go ahead.
Please let the vice President
talk, Sir
good.
He has no plan for health
care,
Donald Trump. Of course we do.
He sends out wishful thinking.
He has executive orders that
have no power.
He hasn't lowered drug costs.
For anybody
he's been promising a health
care plan. Since he got elected,
he has none like almost
everything else he talks about.
He does not have a plan,
he doesn't have a plan
and the fact is this man
doesn't know what he's talking
about
all right. I have one.
I have one final question
for you
sure,
Mr Vice President:
if Senate Republicans,
we were talking originally
about the Supreme Court here,
if Senate Republicans go ahead
and confirm Justice Barrett,
there has been talk about ending
the filibuster
or even packing the court
adding to the nine justices
there.
You call this a distraction
by the president,
but in fact it wasn't brought
up by the president.
It was brought up by some
of your democratic colleagues
in the Congress,
Joe Biden, I'm saying
so. My question to you
is: you have refused in the past
to talk about it.
Are you willing to tell
the american people tonight
whether or not you will support
either ending the filibuster
or packing the court?
Whatever position I take take
on that that will become
the issue.
The issue is
the american people should
speak.
You should go out and vote
you're voting now
vote and let your senators
know how strongly you feel
Donald Trump. Are you going
to pack the court?
Let vote now.
Donald Trump. Are you going
to pack the court?
Make sure you in fact, let
people know your senators
Donald Trump. He doesn't want
to answer the question.
I'm not going to answer
the question, because
why wouldn't you answer
that question?
Because the question is
you want to put a lot
of new Supreme Court justices
radical left?
Will you shut up man?
Listen? Who is on your list
Joe?
This is so
Chris Wallace all right,
Donald Trump who's
on your list.
Chris Wallace, gentlemen.
I think this we've ended this.
This is so Unpresidential
Donald Trump he's going to pack
the court.
He is not going to give a list.
No! No. We have ended
this segment.
We're going to move on
to the second segment
that was really
a productive segment. Wasn't it
keep yapping man?
The people understand Joe,
they sure do
forty seven years. You've done nothing,
they understand
all right. The second subject
is Covid 19, which is an awfully
serious subject.
So, let's try to be
serious about it.
We have had more than seven million
cases of coronavirus
in the United States
and more than two hundred thousand people
have died
even after we produce a vaccine.
Experts say that it could be
months or even years before we
come back to anything
approaching normal.
My question, for both of you
is based on what you have said
and done so far,
and what you have said you would
do starting in two thousand and twenty one.
Why should the american people
trust you more
than your opponent to deal
with this public health
crisis going forward
in this case? The question goes
to you. First, sir. Two minutes
uninterrupted
good luck.
Two hundred thousand dead, as you said,
over seven million
infected in the United States.
We in fact have 5
or four percent of the world's population.
Twenty percent of the deaths,
forty thousand people a day-
are contracting covid.
In addition to that,
about between seven hundred and fifty and one thousand
people a day are dying
when he was presented
with that number,
he said it is what it is
well, it is what it is
because you are who you are.
That's why it is
the president has no plan.
He hasn't laid out anything.
He knew all the way back
in February. How serious
this crisis was.
He knew it was a deadly disease.
What did he do
he's on tape as acknowledging
he knew it?
He said he didn't tell us
or give people a warning of it,
because he didn't want to panic
the american people,
you don't panic.
He panicked
in addition to that, what did he
do?
He went in and he we were
insisting that the Chinese,
the people we had on the ground
in China should be able to go
to Wuhan
and determine for themselves
how dangerous this was.
He did not even ask XI to do
that.
He told us what a great job XI
was doing.
He said we owe him a debt
of gratitude
for being so transparent
with us
and what did he do then?
He then did nothing.
He waited and waited and waited.
He still doesn't have a plan,
Donald Trump wrong.
I laid out back in March
Chris Wallace, Sir just
a moment,
so it's so wrong
exactly what we should be
doing
and I laid out again in July
what we should be doing.
We should be providing all
the protective gear possible.
We should be providing the money
the house has passed in order
to be able to go out and get
people the help they need
to keep their businesses open.
Open schools cost a lot
of money.
You should get out
of your bunker
and get out of the sand trap
and get in your golf course
and go in the oval office
and bring together
the Democrats Republicans
and fund what needs to be done
now to save lives.
So if we would have listened
to you,
Chris Wallace wait wait. You
have two minutes, sir.
If we would have listened
to you, the country would have
been left wide open. Millions
of people would have died, not
two hundred thousand
and one person is too much
it's China's fault.
It should have never happened,
they stopped it from going in,
but it was China's fault
and by the way,
when you talk about numbers,
you don't know how many people
died in China.
You don't know how many people
died in Russia.
You don't know how many people
died in India.
They don't exactly give you
a straight count.
Just so you understand.
But if you look at what we've
done, I closed it
and you said: he's xenophobic,
he's a racist
and he's xenophobic.
It's unrelated to your covid,
because you didn't think
I should have closed
our country
Chris Wallace, Sir. It's his two
minutes
wait a minute.
You didn't think we should have
closed our country because you
thought it was too.
It was terrible.
You wouldn't have closed it
for another two months
by my doing it early. In fact,
Dr Fauci said President Trump
saved thousands of lives.
Many of your Democrat governors
said President Trump
did a phenomenal job.
We worked with the governors.
Oh really
go. Take a look.
The governors said. I did
a phenomenal job.
Most of them said that
in fact, people that would not
be necessarily on my side
said that
President Trump did
a phenomenal job.
We did.
We got the gowns,
we got the masks,
we made the ventilators,
you wouldn't have made
ventilators
and now we're weeks away
from a vaccine
we're doing therapeutics.
Already
fewer people are dying when they
get sick.
Far fewer people are dying,
we've done a great job.
The only thing I haven't done
a good job
and that's because of the fake
news,
no matter what you say to them,
they give you bad press on it.
It's just fake news.
They give you good press,
they give me bad press
because that's the way it is
unfortunately,
but let me just tell you
something
I don't care
I've gotten used to it,
but I'll tell you Joe,
you could never have done
the job that we did.
You don't have it in your blood.
You could have never done that
Joe.
I know how to do the job.
I know how to get the job well,
Donald Trump. Well, you didn't
do very well in swine flu. H1N1,
you were a disaster.
Your own chief of staff
said you were a disaster
14000. Fourteen thousand people died
not two hundred thousand
and there was
no economic recession,
a very a far less lethal
disease.
Sir
interposing voices,
you made a point,
let him answer it,
and there was was no one
there's. No, we didn't shut down
the economy.
This is his economy.
He shut down.
The reason it's shut down
is because look
you folks at home how many
of you got up this morning
and had an empty chair
at the kitchen table,
because someone died of covid.
How many of you
are in a situation where you
lost your mom or dad,
and you couldn't even speak
to them.
You had a nurse holding a phone
up, so you could in fact say
goodbye
Donald Trump. You would have
lost far more people
how many people
Donald Trump, far more people,
and you would have been months
late
and by the way, your own
you're months behind me, Joe
his own CDC director, says
we could lose
as many as another two hundred thousand
people between now
and the end of the year
and he held up. He said if we
just wear a mask,
we can save half those numbers
just a mask
and by the way,
in terms of the whole notion
of a vaccine,
we're for a vaccine,
but I don't trust him at all.
Nor do you
I know you don't
what we trust is a scientist
you don't trust Johnson,
Johnson, Pfizer
and by the way.
Ok, gentlemen. Gentlemen, let
me move on to questions
about the future,
because you both have touched
on the
two of the questions
I'm going to ask
focusing on the future. First,
President Trump,
you have repeatedly either
contradicted or been at odds
with some of your government's
own top scientists.
The week before last,
the head of the centers
for Disease Control, Dr
Redfield,
said it would be summer
before the vaccine would become
generally
available to the public.
You said that he was confused
and mistaken.
Those were your two words
Donald Trump yeah,
but Dr Slaoui, the head
of your operation, warp speed,
has said exactly the same thing.
Are they both wrong?
Well, I've spoken
to the companies
and we can have a lot sooner.
It's a very political thing,
because people like
this would rather make it
political than save lives,
God.
It is a very political thing.
I've spoken to Pfizer
I've spoken to all of the people
that you have to speak to.
We have great
Modena, Johnson, Johnson
and others. They can go faster
than that by a lot.
It's become very political
because the left-
or I don't know if I call them
left,
I don't know what I call them
so you're, suggesting that
the head of your operation warp
speed. Dr Slaoui,
I disagree with him.
No, I disagree with both
of them
and he didn't say that
he said it could be there,
but it could also be much
sooner.
I had him in my office
two days ago.
He talked about the summer,
sir, before it's generally
available, just like Dr
Redfield,
because he said
it's a possibility that we'll
have the answer before November
one.
It could also be after that,
I'm talking when it's
generally available, not
well we're going to deliver
it right away.
We have the military all set up,
logistically
they're all set up.
We have our military that
delivers soldiers
and they can do two hundred thousand a day
they're going to be delivering.
This is the same man who told
you
Donald Trump: it's all set up
by Easter. This would be
gone away
by the warm weather.
It would be gone, miraculous
like a miracle
and by the way, maybe you could
inject some bleach in your arm
and that would take care of it.
This is the same man
that was said sarcastically,
and you know that
that was
that was said, sarcastically
and so here's the deal
this man is talking
about a vaccine.
Every serious, every
serious company is talking
about maybe having a vaccine
done by the end of the year,
but the distribution
of that vaccine will not occur
until sometime, beginning
or the middle of next year
to get it out. If we get
the vaccine
and pray God, we will
pray God we will.
Mr vice president, I want
to pick up
Donald Trump you'll have
the vaccine. Sooner than that.
I want to pick up
on this question, though
you say the public can trust
the scientists, but they can't
trust president trump.
In fact you said that again
tonight,
your running mate, Senator
Harris goes further saying
the public health experts
quote will be muzzled,
will be suppressed.
Given the fact that polls
already show that people are
concerned about the vaccine
and are reluctant to take it.
Are you and your running mate
Senator Harris
contributing to that fear?
No more than the question used
asked
you pointed out. He puts pressure
and disagrees
with his own scientists,
Chris Wallace, but you're saying
you can't
everybody knows
or Senator Harris is saying
you can't trust the scientists.
Well, no, no,
you can trust the scientists.
She didn't say that
you can trust the scientists.
She said. The public health
experts quote
Donald Trump. She did say that
will be suppressed.
Yes, well, that's what he's
going to try to do,
but there's millions
on the scientists.
There's thousands of scientists
out there like here
at this great hospital that
don't work for him.
Their job don't depend on him.
That's not
they're the people
and by the way,
Donald Trump. We spoke
to the scientists that are
in charge
by the way
they will have the vaccine
very soon.
Chris Wallace. Let him finish,
do you believe for a moment?
What he's telling you, in light
of all the
lies, he's told you
about the whole issue relating
to covid.
He still hasn't even
acknowledged that he knew this
was happening, knew
how dangerous it was going to be
back in February,
and he didn't even tell you
he's on record as saying it.
He panicked, or he just looked
at the stock market, one
of the two,
because guess what
a lot of people died
and a lot more are going to die
unless he gets a lot smarter,
a lot quicker,
Donald Trump, so
Chris Wallace, Mr President,
did you use the word smart?
So you said you went to Delaware
State, but you forgot the name
of your college.
You didn't go to Delaware State,
you graduated either the lowest
or almost the lowest
in your class.
Don't ever use the word
smart with me.
Don't ever use that word
Joe Biden, oh, give me a break
because you know what
there's nothing smart about you,
Joe
Forty, seven years. You've done nothing!
Let's have this debate
if you would have had. Let me
just tell you something Joe
if you would have had the charge
of what I was put through.
I had to close the greatest
economy in the history
of our country
and by the way, now it's
being built again,
Chris Wallace we'll get
to the economy
in the next segment. Sir
Joe Biden. Ok,
it's going up fast!
I look forward to talking
about it.
Ok, when it comes to how
the virus has been handled so
far, the two of you
have taken very different
approaches,
and this is going to affect how
the virus is handled going
forward by whichever of you ends
up becoming the next president.
I want to quickly go
through several of those
reopenings. Vice President
Biden, you have been much more
reluctant than President Trump
about reopening the economy
and schools.
Why, sir,
because he didn't have a plan,
if I were running it,
I'd know what the plan is.
You've got to provide
these businesses the ability
to have the money
to be able to reopen
with the Ppe,
as well as with the sanitation
they need.
You have to provide
Donald Trump. Tell that to Nancy
Pelosi.
Will he just shush
for a minute,
tell it to Nancy Pelosi
and Schumer Cryin' Chuck
and by the way, Nancy Pelosi
and Schumer they have a plan.
He won't even meet with them.
The Republicans won't meet
in the Senate
and he sits. He sits
on his golf course.
I mean literally think
about it.
Think about it.
You probably play more than I
do Joe.
What about this question
of reopenings and the fact?
Well, he wants to shut down
this country and I want to keep
it open
and we did a great thing
by shutting it down
Joe Biden. You just admitted
you'd shut it down,
wait a minute
Joe. Let me shut you down
for a second Joe just
for one second,
we want to. He wants to shut
down the country
we just went through it.
We had to because we didn't know
anything about the disease.
Now we found that elderly people
with heart problems and diabetes
and different problems
are very, very vulnerable.
We learned a lot
young children aren't
even younger people. Aren't
we've learned a lot,
but he wants to shut it down.
More people will be hurt
by continuing.
If you look at Pennsylvania,
if you look at certain states
that have been shut down,
they have Democrat governors.
All
one of the reasons they shut
down is because they want
to keep it shut down
until after the election
on November 3
Chris Wallace, I want to move on
to another
because it's a political.
I want to move on
to another subject
Joe Biden: I've got to respond
to that,
but those those states are
not doing. Well.
Gentlemen, I want to move on
to another subject
that are shut down right
now.
I've just got to respond
to that.
He wants to shut down
the whole country.
President Trump,
you have begun to increasingly
question the effectiveness
of masks as a disease preventer
and in fact recently you have
cited the issue of waiters,
touching their masks
and touching plates.
Are you questioning
the efficacy masks?
No, I think masks are ok.
You have to understand.
If you look,
I mean I have a mask right
here.
I put a mask on it. You know
when I think I need it.
Tonight is an example.
Everybody has had a test
and you've had social distancing
and all of the things
that you have to,
but I wear masks
Joe Biden just like your rally
when needed
when needed. I wear masks
Chris Wallace. Ok, let me ask
I: don't
I don't wear masks like him.
Every time you see him
he's got a mask.
He could be speaking two hundred feet
away from him and he shows up
with the biggest mask I've ever
seen.
I will say
I want say this.
Chris Wallace Vice President
Biden go ahead. Sir,
look the way to open
businesses is, give them
the wherewithal to be able open.
We provided money.
Chris Wallace, I was asking you,
Sir, about masks
well masks masks, make
a big difference.
His own head of the CDC
said if we just wore masks
between now.
If everybody wore masks
and Social Distanced
is between now and January,
we'd probably save up to one hundred thousand
lives.
It matters.
It matters
and they've also said
the opposite.
They've also said,
no serious person said
the opposite.
No serious person,
interposing voices,
Dr Fauci, Dr Fauci,
said the opposite.
He did not say the opposite.
I want to ask you:
we've got a little more than a
a minute left in the segment.
He said very strongly.
Masks are not good,
then
he changed his mind.
He said masks are good.
I want to ask
I'm ok with masks,
I'm not fighting masks.
I want ask you both about one
last subject,
because
your different approaches has
even affected the way that you
have campaigned.
President trump you're holding
large rallies with crowds packed
together. Thousands of people
Donald Trump outside
outside. Yes, Sir agreed
Vice President Biden, you are
holding much smaller events
with
Donald Trump because nobody
will show up
people with masks.
Well, it's true.
Nobody shows up to his rallies
all right. In any case,
why are you holding
the big rallies?
Why you not?
You go first, sir,
because people want to hear
what I have to say.
I mean
Chris Wallace, but are you
not worried about it spreading
disease?
I'm doing my job
as a president
and I'll have twenty five thousand
thirty five thousand people show up
at airports.
We use airports
Chris Wallace. Are you not
worried about the disease
issues, sir
and hangars, and we have
a lot of people
well so far we have had
no problem whatsoever.
It's outside
that's a big difference
according to the experts,
and we do them outside.
We have tremendous crowds.
As you see,
I mean every and literally
on twenty four hours notice
and Joe does the circles
and has three people someplace
Chris Wallace. Ok,
by the way,
did you see one
of the last big rallies he had
and a reporter came up to him
to ask him a question.
He said no, no, no
stand back. Put on your mask
put on a mask. Have you been
tested?
I'm way, I'm way far away
from those other people?
That's what he said.
I can't I'm going to be. Ok,
he's not worried about you
he's not worried
about the people
out there, breathing inaudible,
cheek to jowl.
We've had no negative effect.
No negative effect come on,
we've had no negative effect
and we've had thirty five thousand forty thousand
people at these rallies
Chris Wallace. All right
do you want to just quickly
finish up,
because I want to move on
to our next.
Yes, I would
he's been totally
irresponsible in the way
in which he has handled
the social distancing and people
wearing masks,
basically encouraged him not to
Chris Wallace. All right
he's a fool on this.
If you could get the crowds,
you would have done
the same thing,
but you can't
nobody cares
Chris Wallace, gentlemen. Can
we move on to the
nobody cares?
Gentlemen? Can we move on
to the economy?
Yes,
the economy is, I think, it's
fair to say recovering faster
than expected from the shut
down
Donald Trump, much faster
in the second quarter.
The unemployment rate fell
to eight point four percent. Last month
the Federal Reserve says the hit
to growth, which is going to be.
There is not going to be nearly
as big as they had expected.
President Trump, you say we are
in a v shaped recovery.
Vice President Biden, you say
it's more of a k shape.
What difference does that mean
to the american people in terms
of the economy?
President Trump,
in this segment? You go first,
so we built the greatest
economy in history.
We close it down because
of the China plague.
When the plague came in,
we closed it down, which was
very hard psychologically to do.
He didn't think we should close
it down
and he was wrong
again. Two million people would
be dead now, instead of still
two hundred and four thousand people is too much.
One person is too much.
It should have never happened
from China,
but what happened? Is we closed
it down and now we're reopening
and we're doing record business?
We had ten point four million people
in a four month period
that we've put back
into the workforce,
that's a record, the likes
of which
nobody's ever seen before
and he wants to close down
the he will shut it down
again.
He will destroy this country.
You know a lot of people
between drugs and alcohol
and depression when you start
shutting it down.
You take a look at what's
happening at some
of your democrat Run states
with these tough shutdowns
and I'm telling you
it's because they don't want
to open it.
One of them came out last week.
You saw that
oh we're going to open up
in November nine.
Why November nine,
because it's after the election,
they think they're hurting us
by keeping them closed,
they're hurting people,
people know what to do.
They can social distance,
they can wash their hands,
they can wear a mask,
they can do whatever they want,
but they've got to open
these states up.
When you look at North Carolina
when you look at these governors
are under siege, Pennsylvania,
Michigan
and a couple of others.
You've got to open these states
up,
it's not fair
you're, talking about almost it's
like being in prison
and you look at what's going on
with divorce.
Look at what's going on
with alcoholism and drugs,
it's a very, very sad thing
and he'll close down
the whole country.
This guy will close down
the whole country
and destroy our country.
Our country is coming back
incredibly well setting records
as it does it.
We don't need somebody that come
in and say, let's shut it down
all right. Your two minutes,
sir.
We're now moved to you,
as I said, posing the question.
The president says it's
a v shaped recovery,
you say it's
a k shaped recovery.
What's the difference,
the difference is millionaires
and billionaires like him
in the middle of the covid
crisis, have done very well
and other billionaires have made
another three hundred dollars billion
because of his profligate tax
proposal
and he only focused
on the market,
but you folks at home, you folks,
living in Scranton and Claymont
and all the small towns
and working class
towns in America.
How well are you doing
this? Guy paid a total of seven hundred and fifty dollars
in taxes,
Donald Trump? Well,
that's wrong.
Chris Wallace, Sir wait wait!
No
interposing voices,
Donald Trump, it's just
a wrong statement.
No, I understand
you've agreed to the two
minutes. So please let him
have it.
Do I get my time back?
The fact is that he is in fact
worked on this in a way
that he's going to be
the first president
of the United States
to leave office having fewer
jobs in his administration
than when he became president
fewer jobs than when he became
president
first one in american history.
Secondly, the people who have
lost their jobs are those people
who have been on the frontlines.
Those people who have been
saving our lives,
those people who have been
out there dying
people who have been putting
themselves in a way to make sure
that we could all try to make
it
and the idea that he is
insisting that we go forward
and open when you have almost
half the states in America,
with a significant increase
in covid deaths
and covid cases in the United
States, america-
and he wants to open it up more,
why does he want to open it up?
Why doesn't he take care
of the American? You can't fix
the economy until you fix
the covid crisis
and he has no intention of doing
anything about making it better
for you
all at home in terms
of your health and your safety
schools. Why are schools open
because it costs a lot of money
to open them safely?
You know they were going
to give. His administration was
going to give the teachers
and school students masks.
Then they decided no
couldn't do that because it's
not a national emergency,
not a national emergency
they've done nothing to help
small businesses. Nothing
they're! Closing
one in six is now gone.
He ought to get on the job
and take care of the needs
of the american people,
so we can open safely
all right. Your time is up,
sir.
We are going to get to.
I have respond to that.
Well, you both had two
minutes. Sir
excuse me,
he made a statement.
So did you?
People want their schools? No
people want their schools open,
they don't want to be shut down.
They don't want their state shut
down,
they want their restaurants.
I look at New York,
it's so sad, what's happening
in New York,
it's almost like a ghost town
and I'm not sure it can ever
recover what they've done
in New York.
People want their places open.
They want to get back
to their lives,
Joe Biden. People want to be
safe,
they'll be careful,
but they want their schools
open
Joe Biden. People want to be
safe,
I'm the one that brought back
football
by the way I brought back
big ten football.
It was me
and I'm very happy to do it.
The people of Ohio
are very proud of me
and you know how I found out
when he took the phony ad
gentlemen, we're going to get
to your economic plans going
forward in a moment,
but first, Mr President, as you
well know, there's a new report
that in two thousand and sixteen the year you were
elected president
and two thousand and seventeen your first year
as president
that you paid seven hundred and fifty dollars a year
in federal income tax each
of those years.
I know that you pay a lot
of other taxes,
but I'm asking you
the specific question:
is it true that you paid seven hundred and fifty dollars
in federal income taxes
each of those two years?
I paid millions of dollars
in taxes, millions of dollars
of income tax,
and let me just tell you
there was a story in one
of the papers.
Joe Biden show us your tax
returns.
I paid thirty eight dollars million. One year
I paid twenty seven dollars million one year
Joe Biden show us your tax
returns.
I went you'll see it as soon
as it's finished.
You'll see it.
You know. If you wanted to
go to the board of elections,
there's one hundred and eighteen page or so report
that says everything I have
every bank I have
I'm totally under leveraged,
because the assets are extremely
good
and we have a very
we have I built
a great company,
sir. I'm asking you
a specific question, which is.
Let me tell you,
I understand all of that
Joe Biden release your tax
return.
I understand all of that
Donald Trump, but let me
no, Mr President,
I'm asking you a question.
Donald Trump go ahead.
Will you tell us how much you
paid in federal income taxes
in twenty sixteen and two thousand and seventeen
millions of dollars?
Chris Wallace, you paid millions
of dollars,
millions of dollars? Yes,
so not seven hundred and fifty dollars,
millions of dollars
and you'll get to see it
and you'll get to see it
Joe Biden when
inaudible.
But let me tell you
Chris, let me just say something
that it was the tax laws.
I don't want to pay tax.
Before I came here,
I was a private developer.
I was a private business people
like every other private person.
Unless they're stupid,
they go through the laws
and that's what it is.
He passed a tax bill that gave
us all these privileges
for depreciation and for the tax
credits
we built a building
and we get tax credits
like the hotel on Pennsylvania
Avenue.
You get a massive which,
by the way,
was given to me by the Obama
administration.
If you can believe that
now the man got fired right
after that happened,
but that's
Vice President Biden,
you want to respond.
Yes, I do want to respond.
Look the tax code that made
him that put him in a position
that he pays less tax
than a school teacher makes
on the money a school teacher
makes is because of him.
He says, he's smart because he
can take advantage of the tax
code
and he does take advantage
of the tax code.
That's why I'm going
to eliminate the Trump tax cuts
and we're going to eliminate
those tax cuts.
Donald Trump, that's, ok
and make sure that we invest
in the people who in fact need
the help
people out there need help.
But why didn't you do it
over the last twenty five years,
because you weren't,
because you president screwing
things up,
you were a senator and
interposing voices
you're, the worst President
America has ever had come on,
hey Joe. Let me just tell
you Joe
I've done more in forty seven months.
I've done more than you've done
in forty seven years, Joe
we've done things that you never
even thought of doing
Chris Wallace, ok, gentlemen,
including fixing the broken
military that you gave me,
including taking care
of your debts
Chris Wallace. Mr President,
we're talking about the economy!
I'd like to ask you
about your plans going forward,
because, Mr Vice President,
your economic plan,
he has none.
If you were to be elected
president, focuses a lot on big
government, big taxes, big
spending.
I want to focus first
on the taxes
you propose more than four dollars
trillion
over a decade and new taxes
on individuals making more
than four hundred thousand dollars a year
and on corporations.
President Trump says
that that kind of an increase
in taxes
is going to hurt the economy
as it's just coming out
of a recession.
Well, just take a look at what
is the analysis by Wall Street
firms
points out that my economic plan
would create seven million
more jobs than his
in four years number one
and number two. It would create
an additional one dollar trillion
in economic growth
because it would be about buying
american
that we have to we're going
to make. The federal government
spends six hundred dollars billion
a year on everything, from ships
to steel
to buildings and the like,
and under my proposal,
we're going to make sure
that every penny of that
has to be made by a company,
but respectfully sir, I'm
talking about taxes, not
spending
well, by the way,
I'm going to eliminate
a significant numbers
of the tax
I'm going to make
the corporate tax twenty eight percent,
it shouldn't be twenty one percent.
You have nineteen companies,
ninety one companies federal,
I mean in the fortune, five hundred, who
don't pay a single penny in tax
making billions of dollars.
Why didn't you do it
before when you were vice
president with Obama,
because because you
in fact passed that
that was your tax repeal
I got it.
I got it done
and you know what happened
yeah, you got it done
our economy, boomed like it's,
never boomed before,
and the economy
interposing voices
Chris Wallace. Mr President,
let me finish.
Let me,
Mr President, let me pick up
on that.
You would continue
your free market approach,
lower taxes, more deregulation,
correct,
not lower tax
to the american people.
But let me
excuse me,
but in Obama's you talk
about the economy booming.
It turns out that in Obama's
final, three years as president
more jobs were created,
a million and a half more jobs
than in the first three years
of your presidency,
they had the slowest recovery
since economic recovery.
Since one thousand nine hundred and twenty nine,
it was the slowest recovery
also they took over something
that was down here.
All you had to do
is turn on the lights
and you pick up a lot,
but they had the slowest
economic recovery since one thousand nine hundred and twenty nine.
Let me tell about the stock
market
when the stock market goes up.
That means jobs.
It also means 401ks.
If you got in, if you ever
became president
with your ideas,
you want to terminate my tax,
my taxes, I'll tell you what
you'll lose half
of the companies that have
poured in here will leave
and plenty of companies that are
already here. They'll leave
for other places,
interposing voices
they will leave and you will
have a depression, the likes
of which you've never seen.
Look we inherited
Chris Wallace, Mr Vice
President,
the worst recession short
of a depression in american
history.
I was asked to bring it back.
We were able to have
an economic recovery that
created the jobs you're talking
about.
We handed him a booming economy.
He blew it,
he blew it,
it wasn't booming,
it wasn't booming.
It was the the weakest recovery.
Since one thousand nine hundred and twenty nine
wait. Is it fair to wait?
Wait? Is it fair to say he blew
it when, in fact,
Donald Trump, when Covid came
in
when there was record low
unemployment before Covid
yeah, because what he did
even before Covid manufacturing
went in the hole
manufacturing went in hole
number one,
Donald Trump. Excuse me: Chris
wait.
Chris
number two number three.
They said they would take
no you're on number two,
no
Chris Chris.
They said it would take
a miracle to bring back
manufacturing.
I brought back seven hundred thousand jobs.
They brought back nothing
they gave up on manufacturing.
We did not give up
standard fare,
I'm the guy that brought back
the automobile industry
he totally gave up
on manufacturing
we brought back.
I was asked to bring back
Chrysler and General motors.
He brought them back right here
in the state of Ohio
and Michigan.
He blew it,
they're gone,
he blew it
and in fact, they're gone.
Ohio had the best year. It's
ever had last year,
Michigan had the best year.
They've ever had.
That is not true.
Many car companies came in
from Germany from Japan,
went to Michigan, went to Ohio
and they didn't come in
with you,
Mr Vice President go ahead,
and so you take a look at what
he's actually done.
He's done. Very little.
Trade deals are the same way.
He talks about these great trade
deals.
You know he talks about the art
of the deal.
China has made perfected
the art of the steal.
We have a higher deficit
with China now than we did
before.
We have the highest deficit
trade deficit with Mexico,
Donald Trump China ate
your lunch,
interposing voices,
China ate your lunch Joe
and no wonder your son goes in
and he takes out.
He takes out. Billions
of dollars takes out billions
of dollars to manage.
He makes millions of dollars
simply not true
and also while we're at it.
Why is it
just out of curiosity, the mayor
of Moscow's wife gave your son
three dollars and fifty cents million.
What did he do to deserve it?
What did he do with Burisma
to deserve one hundred and eighty three thousand dollars?
None of that is true.
Chris Wallace, Sir you've asked
him a question.
Let him answer.
None of that is true.
Oh really,
he didn't get three dollars and fifty cents million
Chris Wallace. Mr President,
it's totally!
Mr President,
it's totally!
Mr President, please
totally discredited.
You've asked a question
totally discredited
and by the way,
Donald Trump well wait.
He didn't get three dollars and fifty cents million Joe
Chris Wallace. Mr Vice,
you got buckets. That is not
true
really.
Mr President,
it's an open discussion.
Please
it's a fact!
Well, you have raised
an issue.
Let the vice president answer
totally discredited.
Did Burisma pay him one hundred and eighty three thousand dollars
a month with no experience
in Energy
Chris Wallace! Mr President,
my son did nothing wrong
at Burisma.
I think he did.
Mr President, let him answer
interposing voices.
He doesn't want to. Let me
answer because he knows I have
the truth.
His position has been totally
thoroughly discredited
by who
and you can
by everybody well
by the media by our allies
by the media, because they
refuse to talk about it
because
by everyone has discredited
it
matter of fact matter of fact,
even the people who testified,
Mr President,
under oath under oath
under oath.
So let me ask you this Joe
interposing voices.
No, no go ahead!
Mr I'm listening to you.
Even the people under
he got three dollars and fifty cents million
from Moscow
testified under oath in his
administration said. I did
my job and I did it very well.
I did it honorably.
Oh really
I'd like to know who they are
well I'll, give you the list
of the people who
I'll fire them.
No, no go ahead, sir.
I'm sure that you've already
fired most of them
because they did a good job.
Some people don't do
a good job.
Well, here's
interposing voices
go ahead. You get
wait a minute.
You get the final word, MR
well, it's hard to get
any word in with this clown.
Excuse me this person,
hey. Let me just tell you
Joe,
no, no, no, Mr President,
three dollars and fifty cents million Joe.
That is simply not true.
Why did he deserve three dollars and fifty cents
million from Moscow?
Look here's the deal!
We want to talk about families
and ethics.
I don't want to do that.
I mean his family. We could talk
about all night.
His family is already
no. No,
my family lost a fortune
by coming down and helping us
with governance,
interposing voices
and that's such a
interposing voices.
Mr President,
every single one of them lost
a fortune,
interposing voices,
it's not about my family
or his family.
It's about your family!
The american people
inaudible three dollars and fifty cents million Joe.
That's not true.
It doesn't want to talk
about what you need.
You, the american people,
it's about you,
that's what we're talking
about here.
Interposing voices,
that's the end of the segment
we're moving on.
He didn't take that
Chris. Can I be honest
vice president? No,
it's a very important
question.
Try to be honest.
No,
he stood up.
The answer to the question
is no
and he threatened Ukraine,
no, sir,
with a billion dollars if
interposing voices.
That is absolutely not true,
stop
interposing voices
gentleman. I hate to raise
my voice, but it seems to be
interposing voices
he's on tape.
Why should I
be different than the two
of you?
That's a good point!
So here's the deal
we have six segments.
We have ended that segment
we're going to go
to the next segment
in that segment. You each are
going to have two
uninterrupted moments
in those two
interrupted minutes.
Mr President,
you can say anything you want
I'm going to ask a question
about race,
but if you want to answer
about something else go ahead,
but I think that the country
would be better served if we
allowed both people to speak
with fewer interruptions.
I'm appealing to you, Sir,
to do that
Donald Trump well and him too.
Well, frankly, you've
been doing more interrupting
than he has
well, that's all right,
but he does plenty
well less than
he does plenty,
sir less than no less
than you have.
Let's, please continue on
the issue of race. Vice
President Biden,
you say that President Trump's
response to the violence
in Charlottesville three years
ago, when he talked about very
fine people on both sides,
was what directly led you
to launch this run
for president,
oh yeah sure
President Trump,
you have often said that you
believe you have done more
for black Americans
than any president
with the possible exception
of Abraham Lincoln.
That's true.
My question for the two of you
is: why should voters trust you,
rather than your opponent,
to deal with the race
issues facing this country
over the next? Four years,
vice President Biden, you
go first,
it's about equity
and equality,
it's about decency,
it's about the constitution
and we have never walked away
from trying to acquire equity
for everyone, equality
for the whole of America,
but we've never accomplished it,
but we've never walked away
from it like he has done.
It is true. The reason
I got in the race
is when those people close
your eyes,
remember what those people look
like coming out of the fields
carrying torches, their veins
bulging,
just spewing anti semitic, bile
and accompanied by the Ku Klux
Klan,
a young woman got killed
and they asked the President
what he thought
he said there were very fine
people on both sides.
No president's ever said
anything like that:
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Chris Wallace. It is his two
minutes. Sir
second point I'd make to you
is that when Floyd was killed,
Mr Floyd was killed.
There was a peaceful protest
in front of the White House.
What did he do?
He came out of his bunker.
He had the military use, tear gas
on them, so he could walk across
to a church and hold up a bible,
and then what happened
after that?
The bishop of that very church
said that it was a disgrace.
The general who was with him
said he only
all he ever wants
to do is divide people
not unite people at all.
This is a president who has used
everything as a dog whistle
to try to generate
racist hatred, racist division.
This is a man who, in fact, you
talk about helping
African Americans.
One in one thousand african Americans
has been killed because
of the coronavirus
and if he doesn't do something
quickly by the end of the year,
one in five hundred will have been
killed, one in five hundred
african Americans,
this man,
this man, is the Savior
of African Americans.
This man cares at all
this man has done virtually
nothing
look. The fact is that you have
to look at what he talks about.
You have to look at what he did
and what he did
has been disastrous
for the african american
community.
So
President Trump, you have two
minutes.
Why should Americans trust you
over your opponent to deal
with race issues?
You did a crime bill, one thousand nine hundred and ninety four,
where you call them super
predators. African Americans are
super predators
and they've, never forgotten it.
They've, never forgotten it.
Joe Biden, I've never said
Chris Wallace, no, no, sir, it's
his two minutes,
so you did that
and they call you
a super predator
and I'm letting people out
of jail. Now that you have
treated
the african american Population
community, you have treated
the black community about as bad
as anybody in this country.
You did the 1990 and that's
why? If you look at the polls,
I'm doing better
than any Republican has done
in a long time
because they saw what you did.
You call them super predators
and you've called them worse
than that,
because you look back
at your testimony
over the years. You've called
them a lot worse than that.
As far as the church is
concerned,
and as far as the generals are
concerned, we just got
the support of 200.
Two hundred and fifty military leaders
and generals total support
law enforcement. Almost
every law enforcement group
in the United States,
I have Florida, I have Texas,
I have Ohio. I have every
excuse me Portland. The sheriff
just came out today
and he said I support President
Trump.
I don't think you have any law
enforcement,
you can't even say the word law
enforcement,
because if you say those words
you're going to lose all
of your radical left supporters,
and why aren't you saying
those words Joe?
Why don't you say the words law
enforcement?
Because you know what
if they called us in Portland,
we would put out that fire
in a half an hour,
but they won't do it
because they're run
by radical left Democrats.
If you look at Chicago,
if you look at any place, you
want to look Seattle.
They heard we were coming
in the following day
and they put up their hands
and we got back Seattle
Minneapolis. We got it back
Joe because we believe in law
and order,
but you don't
the top ten cities and just about
the top. Forty cities
are run by Democrats
and in many cases
radical left
and they've got you wrapped
around their finger. Joe
to a point
where you don't want to say
anything about law and order
and I'll tell you what
the people of this country
want and demand law and order
and you're afraid to even say
it
all right I want to.
I want to return to the question
of race.
Vice President Biden
after the grand jury
in the Breonna Taylor case
decided not to charge any
of the police
with homicide. You said
it raises. The question
quote whether justice could be
equally applied in America.
Do you believe that there was
a separate but unequal system
of justice for blacks
in this country?
Yes, there
is a systemic injustice
in this country, in education,
in work and in law enforcement
and the way in which
is enforced.
But look. The vast majority
of police officers are good,
decent honorable men and women.
They risk their lives every day
to take care of us,
but there are some bad apples
and when they occur,
when they find them,
they have to be sorted out.
They have to be held
accountable,
they have to be held
accountable
and what I'm going to do
as president of the United
States is call together,
an entire group of people
at the White House, everything
from the civil rights groups
to the police officers
to the police chiefs
and we're going to work this
out,
we're going to work this out,
so we change the way in which we
have more transparency in when
these things happen.
These cops aren't happy to see
what happened to George Floyd.
These cops aren't happy to see
what happened to Breonna Taylor
most don't like it,
but we have to have a system
where people are held
accountable
and by the way
violence in response
is never appropriate. Never
appropriate
peaceful protest is
violence is never appropriate.
Chris Wallace right
what is peaceful protest when
they run through the middle
of the town
and burn down your stores,
interposing voices
and kill people all over
the place, and you say peaceful
protest,
President Trump.
That is not peaceful protest.
No, it's not,
but you say it is
President Trump
interposing voices
I'd like to continue with
the issue of race.
I promise we're going to get
to the issue of law and order
in a moment.
Fine,
this month,
your administration directed
federal agencies to end
racial sensitivity, training that
addresses white privilege
or critical race theory.
Why did you decide to do that
to end racial sensitivity,
training,
and do you believe that there is
systemic racism in this country,
sir?
I ended it because it's
racist.
I ended it because a lot
of people I complaining
that they were asked to do
things that were absolutely
insane that it was
a radical revolution that was
taking place in our military
in our schools
all over the place,
and you know it,
and so does everybody else.
What is radical
and he would know it
he's totally?
What
is
radical about racial sensitivity,
training
if you were a certain person,
you had no status in life,
it was sort of a reversal
and if you look at the people,
we were paying people hundreds
of thousands of dollars
to teach very bad ideas
and, frankly, very sick ideas,
and really they were teaching
people to hate our country,
and I'm not going to do that.
I'm not going to allow
that to happen.
We have to go back
to the core values
of this country.
They were teaching people
that our country is
a horrible place,
it's a racist place
and they were teaching people
to hate our country,
and I'm not going to allow
that to happen.
Chris Wallace Vice President
Biden,
nobody is doing that
he's just he's the racist
Donald Trump, oh yeah, you just
don't know
here's the deal.
I know a lot more about this
interposing voices,
Donald Trump- you don't know
Chris Wallace. Let him finish.
The fact is that there is
racial insensitivity.
People have to be made
aware of what other people feel
like what insults them.
What is demeaning to them?
It's important that people know
they don't want to
many people, don't want to hurt
other people's feelings,
but it makes a big difference.
It makes a gigantic difference
in the way a child is
able to grow up and have
a sense of self esteem.
It's a little bit like how
this guy and his friends
look down on so many people.
They look down their nose
on people like irish Catholics.
Like me, who grew up in Scranton,
they look down on people who
don't have money.
They look down on people who are
of a different faith.
They look down on people who are
a different color,
in fact we're all Americans.
The only way we're going
to bring this country together
is to bring everybody together.
There's nothing. We cannot do
if we do it together.
We can take this on
and we can defeat racism
in America
Chris Wallace. Vice president,
I mean President Trump, sir.
During the Obama Biden
Administration, there was
tremendous division.
There was hatred,
you look at Ferguson,
you look at you, go to very
many places.
Look at Oakland!
Look what happened in Oakland.
Look what happened in Baltimore!
Look what happened. Frankly!
It was more violent than what
I'm even seeing now,
but the reason
is that the Democrats that run
these cities,
Joe Biden, absolutely
ridiculous-
don't want to talk like
you about law and order,
violent crime, violent crime
and you still haven't
mentioned. Are you in favor
of law and order?
I'm in favor of law,
you
interposing voices?
Are you in favor of law
and order?
Interposing voices,
you asked a question: let him
finish:
interposing voices,
Chris Wallace, let him
law and order with justice
where people get treated fairly
and the fact of the matter
is violent. Crime went down 17
fifteen percent in our administration,
it's gone up on his watch.
It went down much more
in ours,
Chris Wallace, all right. We're
done
interposing voices!
Mr President, you're going
to
United States of America
interposing voices.
Mr President, Mr President,
you're going to be very happy
because we're now going to talk
about law and order,
the places we had trouble were
democratic, run. Citiess,
that's exactly my question.
There has been
a dramatic increase in homicides
in America
this summer, particularly,
and you often blame that
on democratic mayors
and democratic governors,
but in fact there have been
equivalent spikes
in Republican, led cities
like Tulsa and Fort worth.
So the question is: is
this really a party issue?
I think it's a party issue.
You can bring in a couple
of examples,
but if you look at Chicago
what's going on in Chicago, where
fifty three people were shot
and eight died shot,
if you look at New York,
where it's going up
like nobody's ever seen
anything the numbers are going
up: one hundred percent, one hundred and fifty two percent two hundred percent crime,
Joe Biden republican cities.
It is crazy, what's going on
and he doesn't want to say, law
and order, because he can't
because he'll lose
his radical left supporters
and once he does that
it's over with,
but if he ever got to run
this country and they ran it
the way he would want to run it,
we would have
Joe Biden. We would run it
the way
our suburbs would be gone
by the way our suburbs would be
gone
and you would see problems
like you've, never seen
he wouldn't know a suburb
unless he took a wrong turn.
Oh, I know suburbs so much
better than you,
Chris Wallace, gentlemen, go
wait a minute
I was raised in the suburbs.
This is not one thousand nine hundred and fifty
all these dog whistles
and racism don't work anymore.
Suburbs are by and large
integrated
there's many people today
driving their kids to soccer
practice and slash or to black
and white and hispanic
in the same car
as there have been any time
in the past.
What really is a threat
to the suburbs and their safety
is his failure to deal
with covid
they're dying in the suburbs.
His failure to deal
with the environment
they're being flooded, they're
being burned out because
of his refusal to do anything.
That's why the suburbs are
in trouble.
I do want to talk
about this issue of law
and order, though,
and in the joint recommendation
that came
from the Biden, Bernie Sanders
Task Force, you talked about
quote reimagining policing.
First of all, what does
reimagining policing mean
and do you support
it means?
Ah, ah let me
if I might finish the question:
what does reimagining policing
mean
and do you support the black
lives matter? Call for community
control of policing?
Look. What I support
is the police having
the opportunity to deal
with the problems they face
and I'm totally opposed
to defunding the police
officers
as a matter of fact, police,
local police, the only one
defunding in his budget
calls for a four hundred dollars million
cut in local law enforcement
assistance.
They need more assistance,
they need when they show up
for a nine hundred and eleven call
to have someone with them
as a psychologist
or psychiatrist, to keep them
from having to use force
and be able to talk people down.
We have to have community
policing like we had before,
where the officers get to know
the people in the communities.
That's when crime went down,
it didn't go up,
it went down,
and so we have to be engaged
in
Donald Trump. That's not what
they're talking about Chris!
That's not what
he's talking about defunding
the police.
That is not true.
He doesn't have any law
support.
He has no law enforcement
support.
That's not true!
Almost nothing!
That's not!
Oh really! Who do you have
name? One group that supports
you
name, one group that came out
and supported you
go ahead.
Think we have time.
We don't have time
to do anything.
Interposing voices,
no, no think about it.
Interposing voices,
folks, folks,
name, one law enforcement group
that came out and supported you,
Joe
gentlemen. I think I'm going
to take back the moderator's
role
there are. I don't think
there are any.
I want to get
to another subject, which
is the issue of protests
in many cities
that have turned violent
in Portland Oregon, especially
we had a more than one hundred
straight days of protests, which
I think you would agree.
You talk
about peaceful protests.
Many of those turned into riots.
Joe Biden were not peaceful,
Mr Vice President,
you say that people who commit
crimes
should be held accountable.
The question I have, though, is
as the democratic nominee
and earlier tonight. You said
that you are the Democratic
Party right now.
Have you ever called
the democratic mayor of Portland
or the democratic governor
of Oregon and said? Hey you've
got to stop this
bring in the National Guard,
do whatever it takes,
but you'd stop days and months
of violence in Portland
I don't hold public office.
Now
I am a former vice president.
I've made it clear.
I've made it
clear in my public statements
that the violence should be
prosecuted,
it should be prosecuted
and anyone who commits it
should be prosecuted
Chris Wallace, but you've never
called for the people.
Donald Trump he's never said
that
Chris Wallace excuse me, sir.
You had never called
for the leaders in Portland
and in Oregon
to call and bring
in the National Guard
and knock off one hundred days of riots.
They can in fact take care
of it if he'd just stay out
of the way.
Look here,
Donald Trump, oh really,
oh, really!
Here's the thing
Chris Wallace, Sir
Donald Trump I sent in the US
marshals
Chris Wallace. I asked him
question
Donald Trump to get
the killer of a young man
in the middle of the street
and they shot him
and for three days.
Mr President, Trump
Portland wouldn't do
anything
I had to send in the US
marshals
and they took care of business.
President Trump go ahead,
sir,
and by the way you know
his own former spokesperson
said. You know. Riots and chaos
and violence help his cause.
That's what this is all about.
Donald Trump, I don't know who
said that
I do
Donald Trump who,
who
I think Kellyanne Conway
Donald Trump. I don't think she
said that
she said that
and so here's the point
Chris Wallace all right.
Here's the point
Chris Wallace go ahead, sir.
The point is that that's what he
is keeps trying to rile
everything up.
He doesn't want to calm things
down
instead of going in and talking
to people and saying,
let's get everybody together,
figure out how to deal
with this. What's he do
he just pours gasoline
on the fire constantly
every single, solitary time,
ok and to end this
button up this segment,
I'm going to give you a minute
to answer, sir.
You have repeatedly criticized
Donald Trump. Well, wait
a minute!
I have to answer his statement.
You have repeatedly
Donald Trump wait just one!
Second,
no you've been talking back
and forth.
He made a statement,
I'm asking you.
I would love to end it.
You know, sir,
I would love to end it.
You know. If you want
to switch seats,
we could do that.
We could very quickly send
in the National guard
it would be over.
There would be no problem,
ok,
but they don't want to accept
the national guard.
You have repeatedly criticized
the vice president for not
specific, like calling out Antifa
and other left wing extremist
groups.
That's right,
but are you willing tonight
to condemn white, supremacists
and militia groups,
Donald Trump sure
and to say that they need
to stand down and not add
to the violence in a number
of these settings, as we saw
in Kenosha and as we've seen
in Portland
sure I'm willing to do that
Chris Wallace? Are you prepared
to specifically
Joe Biden? Do it,
but I would say:
go ahead, sir,
I would say almost everything
I see is from the left wing
not from the right wing
Chris Wallace. So what are you
saying?
I'm willing to do anything.
I want to see peace
Chris Wallace. Well, then,
do it Sir
Joe Biden say it:
do it
say it
you want to call them? What
do you want to call them?
Give me a name
give me a name
Chris Wallace, White,
supremacists
and right wing militias.
Joe Biden proud boys,
proud boys, stand back
and stand by,
but I'll tell you what
I'll tell you what
somebody has got to do something
about Antifa and the left,
because this is not a right wing
problem.
This is a left wing.
His own FBI, director, said
the inaudible
Chris Wallace go ahead, go
ahead. Sir
White Supremacists Antifa
is an idea, not
an organization.
Oh you've got to be kidding,
not a militia,
that's what his FBI, his FBI
director, said.
Well, then, you know what
he's wrong
Chris Wallace? No, no we're
done, sir.
We're moving on to the next
interposing voices.
Everybody inaudible
administration,
when a bat hits you
over the head. That's not
an idea.
Everybody
in your administration
tells you the truth.
Has a bad idea.
Can I tell you what
you have? No ideas that are
Antifa Antifa is
a dangerous radical group.
Chris Wallace all right,
gentlemen, we're now moving
onto the Trump and Biden
Records,
and you ought to be
careful with them.
They'll overthrow you in two
seconds
when a president,
I'm going to ask a question
when the president seeks
a second term, it is generally
a referendum on his record,
but Vice President Biden,
you like to quote
one of your dad's sayings,
which is
don't compare me
to the almighty. Compare me
to the alternative,
and in this case sir, you
are the alternative.
Looking at both of your records,
I'm going to ask each of you.
Why should voters elect you,
president? Over your opponent,
in this segment, President
Trump you'll go first,
two minutes,
because there has never been
an administration or a president
who has done more than
I've done in a period of three
and one slash two years
and that's
despite the impeachment hoax,
and you saw what happened today
with Hillary Clinton,
where it was a whole big con
job.
But despite going through all
of these things, where I had
to fight both flanks
and behind me and above
there has never been
an administration, that's done
what I've done.
The greatest before Covid
came in the greatest economy
in history, lowest unemployment
numbers
everything was good.
Everything was going
and by the way there was unity
going to happen.
People were calling me
for the first time in years
they were calling
and they were saying it's time-
maybe
and then what happened
we got hit,
but now we're building it back
up again:
a rebuilding of the military,
including space force and all
of the other things,
a fixing of the VA which was
a mess under him.
Three hundred and eight thousand people died because they
didn't have proper health care,
it was a mess
and we now got a ninety one percent approval
rating at the VA. Our vets.
We take care of our vets,
but we've rebuilt our military,
the job that we've done
and I'll tell you something
some people say: maybe the most
important by the end
of the first term
I'll, have approximately three hundred
federal judges and court
of appeals, judges, three hundred
and hopefully three
great Supreme Court judges
justices.
That is a record the likes
of which very few people-
and you know one of the reasons
I'll have so many judges,
because President Obama and him
left me one hundred and twenty eight judges to fill
when you leave office,
you don't leave any judges,
that's like you! Just don't do
that.
They left one hundred and twenty eight openings,
and if I were a member
of his party
because they have
a little different philosophy,
I'd say: if you left us one hundred and twenty eight
openings, you can't be
a good president.
You can't be a good vice
president,
but I want to thank you
because it gives us almost
it'll, probably
be above that number
by the end of this term.
Chris Wallace time, Sir
three hundred judges, it's a record
looking at both your records.
Why should voters elect you,
president, as opposed
to President Trump?
Under this?
You have two minutes
uninterrupted.
Under this president,
we've become weaker, sicker,
poorer, more divided and more