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This episode is Bill, Pullman, whose awesome now this is the first time that I dont yeah. I mentioned that I haven't done an internet based podcast, since oh my gosh, it's been like seven or eight years, and we tried Skype and the door of the quality, is ok, because we did it. We have video chat, because I thought oh video be good, as we can see each other and then it'll be you know it all. Just make the conversation that much. Simpler, but what it actually did was compromise the audio quality so you know why were exploring other options for that zoom or whatever going forward we're gonna just do audio. I recorded a podcast today with just Skype Audio and they think it actually sounded really goods.

Oh this. This will this one today with bill, will send a little bit like a phone call. I'm not gonna lie was fund a video chat with Bill Pullman, which is upon us since I never thought I would get to save my life but tat. He was great and just really sweet and affable and really embraced a lot of the stuff we talked about. Just like I conic things that if that is done in his career- and maybe I maybe or maybe not hold out the dark helmet from space balls so any and he loved So anyway, it was really fun. Also, I think he may have had his his email program open, because there I did hear like the email, the apple email alert, being occasionally, I'm only telling you that, because if you hear you Michael gotta my getting an email, it's probably coming It's inside the podcast, the alert circle from inside the pod gas. So I just want

well, you know by the way Bill Pullman is promoting season three of the centre which has on USA the seas. Finale airs the day that this is posting, which is Thursday March twenty. Sixth, all episodes are a bill. USA network dot com. So, as always, I hope you're staying safe. I hope your stay. Healthy, I hope you're staying home. I appreciate you for listening and I hope that our Digital offerings can offer you, as I said last week, an escape from all the stuff so here you go. The identified cats number ten, fifty four with bill, Pullman ain't, even

I literally just do it they live television show Sunday night and we just had been doing a Skype version of it. How are you doing yeah figure in the south, the Skype? I use Skype a lot more and then all of us the base time and in Europe, and things like that- you know, shifted in it- was easy to tax them based time. So I dropped out a Skype, but now it's good to be back. I know because it's really hard it I mean I've. A bunch of meetings, we escaped Brazil and it does feel like some

tsar to still be in future movie rights like open But this is how people communicate. Now we all look at each other on a screen in some maybe we'll get to see each other in person, but that doesn't seem like it's a big business. The new normal daughter leaves a wire and there now downs there's getting on soon so that twenty three people can all be there and are trying to build, Can they each other, and I dont think they'll ever worked it out. The dope enables in the I'm right. She needs them and their and hopes for the best. This must be very surreal to be promoting centre like I would and allow the palaces, the sun, when oh shit, how are we going to promote these things that people worked so hard answer. You Doing a series of Skype Chad to promote. Is that what you're data days now you all

audio conversations. Then I'm right did the radio junk get. You know what was all that stuff waken up early in the morning in a different cities and that's always been that way like them, but this is the first time on Skype, so you're pushing the apple, I do appreciate that and I appreciate that you wanted to do video because I've never. I dont think in ten years of doing these pike has. I always insisted like what we have to be in person because there's so much the communication that's about by language, and I need to know like if people are comfortable talking, different things and where their shifting in their seat or whatever and so being able to read all that is so important and I started hearing like all people what to do audio earlier, like oh, my god, it's gonna be like the eighties. When we just used to call people, on the phone and be like what's up, you know this is good, but I do get a context for you. I get

the tyre over there we asked the sea at looks. A lot like are Librate Lula's. Gothic, though I think there's some is that a job owner, so, let's than theirs, accidentally there's a vintage taxidermy alligator had there is a giant like Bird eating spider is just one of those I sort of torrential attacks fighters, thirty day, birds, yeah there's a guitar, then I just have a bunch of weird oil paintings in, but in my office in my life, and I like a lotta, weird God with its You came to our house, you would sort of feel like like a week. Victoria Museum in industry kind, so yeah we're another weird stuff what it! What is your? What's your, your Dobbin Anesthetic

as you know, we have, I think, are dominant aesthetic were connected to the fact that this used to be close either caused by or somewhere coasts. Pineapple row. Imagine tat a while ass it bill. Ninety seventy job. We add the whole idea of Ag Agriculture in California Nineteen thousand ten is probably the biggest arts grass painted arching grass. And then I have the orchard outside. So you here, let's go a little bit of agricultural while all the California agriculture, my eyes, and it did so. You feel it is, isn't it a comfortable place to be hauled up indefinitely, yeah yeah, It's really is very atmosphere where he says this is the best house for holidays guess it's got a very traditional, traditional side, too good, while I was

I'm. So I so blown away that you agree to do the package because listen, you literally in some of the greatest films in the history of film and you, your car, mere span, so many different like theirs one type, a bill pulling movie. It's just like I imagine was your theatre backgrounds did never seen someone's career so much sort of mere what it must be like a film version of a theatre background worthily, you play any kind of character in any kind of production, and that's just it yeah. I know I think you I I live in denial of it, but then there are certain kind of perfect storms were a bunch of product, that's been caught in the works kind of getting clogged up, and then they all kind of girl, wise in February. In February, where I had done

while movie in Poland last a year two years ago, called the call this game a chess player in nineteen. Sixty two Who is in a just match in Warsaw and he's on the spectrum, so it will Bobby picturesque and wild crazy epileptic bits everything and at the same time that I was in the play, the I had done last year all my son's was recorded by National Theatre live and we performed it in front of six hundred thousand people lie. Oh my gosh, except for the? U S: where was hell, because there is protection newer oh that got released in cinemas in all in their kind of like gum, local, made it our house release where you can see in our time

movie, and that was in February. Then a couple things came out on Netflix bought. I got access to the ballot, a lucky brown, which is me as a kind of the psychic limping sidekick and add that that was the same time a sinner started. The air, so it was shitstorm woman. If you ever wrote a book just can sooner? Should start opponent just consider it because if you like people I saw that on a sharper guy. I dont know what I need to read that whenever there is a need to read that, but you know even going back to was ruthless people. Your first movie, I mean what an amazing first movie, its legitimately one of the best comedy like the best comedies. It came out in a decade, ruthless people and were you

doing a lot of theatre at that point is that were is. Is that where you were kind of making a bread and butter and then just sort of transition over yeah, I guess school dig it. I came out delay to do a play and then I was called it was about Russians in Afghanistan. In eighty five, while Americans were getting was really but I had died, my air blonde to be a russian take commander and it was wild experience and I never dyed my hair before and then I was out here. I started audition and the Zucker Brothers and Jim Abrahams. You were the directors I was in for a very small part. I was lucky to be there. They were laughing kind of spontaneously. It was like it immaculate conception last, you know not. Born of something I could put my finger on nothing. I was saying or anything it wasn't reared responding.

Later they said they loved. My hair, recruiters by name, is gained by the bird over you dear. And then I had to recover my air three. Two months later, when we went sure it was a wild time the transition from data in There- during the movies I was taken out and get this money which I really needed at the time. Back to New York. But then you know things happened, then their didn't happen and now Brooks and bankrupt, came to see me in a play and LAPD see another play that I was in so really a big stars tat. My career was connected. Oh, that's really interesting, as I was just talking to carry her was on the point just a few weeks ago, and he said now kid

to see princess. I think it was princess pride, maybe and then put him in Robin men and tides, nervously MEL, seems the kind of guy that he would just go out because he loved comedy he loves. He would go. I want to work with that person and then he would find something for you. Well yeah. I think he saw something original people he liked, but the player with doing with it with a medieval pageant play about Arabas. Now, instead of grace no comedy we the great ended, amen day. You know a gun in his he just his. He was used to make a joke. That does it get Tom, Hanks and Tom proves what he could get a terms. We got a bill

Out of the blue man, I just took that one little part and ruthless people, and there I was walking down to the end of the box, commissary behind MEL, Brooks and meeting near Jane, Fonda and Arnold Schwarzenegger. There was a bill following a long time, but with it, what have you done? A lot of comedy and theater was it was it I mean The first two movies were really core companies and two totally different types of comedies at the same time, so was that was covered a kind of in you're on your way, On that point, I go I'm getting cassimeres, I guess I'll. Just do it just had done colonies in theatre and the right to work with you to accompany him up worse and we did a lot more year in Romania plays, and so there was and at the Shakespeare comedy so

maybe now is that the most concentrated I get learn from some pretty good Peter what one guy in particular was very influential. You know anything the companies. You end up with one every said: Guy who place all the rustics in Shakespeare. Her more waste so much about what was funny, especially what was funny outdoors what you had to do to get focus and make make get you don't get it laugh and somewhere she experienced would that the other thing tat was the comedy and theatre is very different from comedy unfilled. You know where there's you like. There are no reactions, and you also, I would imagine you have to play. We think a lot smaller, because there's a camera in your face, but was, did it take a minute to sort of get nels like to get MAO's wavelength.

In that movie because its mail, just gotta, has his own genre. Basically, he is already subject to Carmody so went into that. Did you no that I assume you'd probably seem you know your frankenstein blazing saddles in history the world at all that, or did he did? Did he Was there like a learning curve? Words like how can I guess this is sort of the Bible. This guy, I think, with mouth Iraq, so much of it is really deep rooted in catch you later, the owner and those in runny, Burke and promised SAM certain writer? They all work shared a lot of those countries, that kind of style and Joe. I really learn.

Because I had already kind of had a version of what I thought film acting was, which was you know, not repeat myself and look to get if it was a funny line to see, if I could milk milk at and lot of different way. So you know no, that wasn't what I wanted know what I was going to do. You know we going, very herself. Only Daphne I would submit to rear souls in some can't you regret is basically was so prices. I'm so glad now made me

I learned so much right away and basically he would do the lie. You know and he would do japanese line, and I wrote this jar weapon genius was for him to, and he just wanted me to hit the mark every time we do a rehearsal. He couldn't see the same thing enough now. You know, like you, have none of that same delivery that you did yesterday that maybe they said I like that one Guess really. Ok. This is what okay I'll just keep hitting this. You know, and I don't know whether it was just that MA am, but what did he was very very helpful that way you know it now and then, by a time we want to shoot it nearer. I don't know it was the most favoured way that I'm workin comedies I'd. For me, it's not, you know, probably, as

it was great to do it than that context, but I didn't feel like that was something that I needed to do. First, my life. So much of you know if now. Germany is dead. Pan arm reactions those kind of things you know what Europe really from being in circumstances in the moment is intensely as you can be a gal. I it's I didn't realize I might go grab it in a sack its downstairs, but actually bought. Movie oxen my wife and I have like a lot of weird movie, props and stuff. I have read morasses hell it his at the actual Helmut from the movie and Jackie. I got him decided I got now the sign it So been in person, there would have been no Pullman signature on air as well. How did you get it? Just you know the sort the movie problem

auction. Seen right now is big big literally, everyone can bid on stuff in the world. So it's just these sort of way. Online entertainment auctions and it came up and and I bought it, and I haven't- and it's amazing it is absolutely amazing, its flimsy, it's you know it's the fact in how the heads and its before before we read this up at some point all run down get it. You say you can see it, but it tat it. S really was I was so excited to get. I think I mean that the movie- that's just it he's a comedy history. So when you on staff, a new sort of move on and then years later, some nerd, like me, like hey where the part in space policy like why haven't thought about the movie in like thirty like? Do you just sort of like do the job

then just cut a move on well yeah. You know when we did that it was so long ago. I was before the age ass. Yet, though you know it was probable, seven or eight years later than I am at the house and we're having my wife's cousins over again, the EC causing a just cause, the away and somehow- and Amber. Seychelles. I mentioned something at some reference to space balls and he goes wait a minute. Can we talk about baseball and he knew all my dialogue and I listened to him and I go. I don't really know. If that's what I said where member did and I

That's exactly what I said so back and watch it. So so you watch. Did you watch it again? I was then, when it came out to be a judge, there was probably in the nineties. Yes, I love by the way that someone like he was we just waiting for you to give him. The green light like yes, we can talk about whom I got. I didn't know that was on the table here. You know I mean that type of I don't know. I mean that type of phantom. It's now it's so carbon to be able to communicate with people tat. You see causing social media, but certainly in the eightys and Ninetys. You really like people, do have access to people that they saw in stopping able to communicate or talk today were send out messages all the time. So I'm sure was great,

I'm sure it was like one of the highlights for that. For that data was data, you appreciate that he got some goosebumps well. I also remember that you did Furthermore, we have to space balls, which was totally different, like you said, which I loved Proserpina rainbow. With such a great creepy. The trailer for that me when I was in high school just Rick, the shadowy is just being buried alive and don't let them bear me, I'm not dead. Yet I mean that that movie with such a great it was so visceral. Did you

you offered other calories after other people in baseball. Did you actively turn away in search of like a darker kind of a thematic, almost psychological horror bees? Yet I think it just came up in the course of eventual. I I later get other comedies. I did too damn it shortly. After their done simply ship leading rivalry with girl ran yeah, that's just the serpent rainbow came up with. Why wouldn't this being an amazing, venture, do take this real life story of this at no botanist, wait, Davis and meet him and he's consulted on the movie, and he was the one who had gone down their embedded himself in tandem with cool and learn this exact Russia be that they were using to make this now.

Poison. Essentially that could render human with no body functions but still be alive than name, and that was it eventually went down the Haiti that shot in Haiti in the Dominican Republic? That was my third movement. I thought they were all gonna be that way and on the guy ever gonna be a repeat of I mean for you, it does it feel like do. Does it, how does the job part of it not get in the way of this sort of artistic part of you. I mean it's like. There's a lot of job stuff. You know you gotta do press you have to, like you said, it's not always go into Haiti. You know it's you there. There is sort of a clock in element to it, and so for you, what is the balance between

still being able to infuse the artistic part when it feels like the work side of the business is like eighty percent of it and the outside? You really only get to do for like ten or twenty percent of the time say yeah. You know. I think I am the high things when you the dew crass for something before you shot it in know that they're starting to do that more and more in when we did the sequel to independence. Davy at have a junket for it in Albuquerque, and I dont think I shut more in one or two AIDS and were already talking about how we did the role that stuff you know? there was a little uncomfortable like that, I don't especially because at that point, and I was doesn't matter what you say, you know what I mean because it's like you know there's so much media.

And there's so much press. If you say something that doesn't happen in the movie. Is anyone you know by the time it comes out? Is anyone got it Member notice is just like we're salary. So media at all at all. Your life is probably significantly more peaceful as a result, but it just there's so much. You know we're just inundated so much about everything, all the time that I'm sure was fine, but independence day was. I remember that, being like D. Sort of return of the real summer blockbuster when that movie came out- and I know much about it before it came out and then all of a sudden it was just this massive massive international. He was, was there any sense of that, when you guys were making the first independence day like we're, making a blockbuster dies or was it just like? I, you know

can we really will? We will see how it goes? Yeah really lies are not expected to be that big, a movie, I think for most were most be boy. I'm January of that year that it came out there was a listener when a woman will afford you in the summer was none the less well off and then they start than it started to come to creep in and they started to pick up a little bit, but it was once they got that image of them has blowing up. There was something about that in the whole logo of July

They came joy relay, they attack joy for the day we fight back right and was a real like this move. Is also had so many there. Also so many great elements like the act, will concern the president and the nor military get Will Smith whose still like you know, dry, one minors in the middle of an attack and, like you know, you got Jeff Global Jeff go form and also wish you talk about loading a virus from a macbook in the nineties to an alien spacecraft. Would not you know this? Was there wasn't why fire anything at the time that now, of course, we understand how networks work, but at the time there was a very revolutionary idea to use a a policeman, Powerbook actually grow back. Look. I think it was a powerful like

regional MAC, laptop to upload onto that thing? So I just think it I have a lot of elements that were very fresh than we had really seen in a movie at. In addition to the special effects Y see out there, it was fun to revisit all like when you, when you heard there's gotta be a second one, real like what we did it the first time or was it like? Oh, my God, This'Ll be This'Ll, be fine. It's been no twenty some years there was really great day. I loved all those guys Roland outbreak is such a really wonderful, wonderful movie maker. I just then being refresh with its way up, but there is always some moments where he would say this time you come to ruin. It would be really cool you

we're going to have this effect over here. It's a really cool you know and that he just has such a thrill of making things kind of in courage like scan your bet there. There's also you know you, you must have us since you must have some sort of a spider sense when it comes to picking movies, because you do such examples of each type of genre. Like you know, wider is really great movie hundred stay is great lost. Highway is a whole other. Thing, you know: wake placid. The movie, another movie right people are like I like it, who would have ended ought to send its huge in the movies amazing. You know tat, you must work What is your selection process? Are you using rules or

are you? Do you have some type of psychic ability? What is it that is? What's speak to you about a project when you read that makes it feel special to you, You know I I don't know why I am I just some. Some of them don't do as well as I think they are. You know I was just thinking about that, because I want to get a cup of tea in the mud with Deserve Welsh, wag symbol, and I was given to me by ruffled today, who is the guy who wrote torch work towards when you're after no, he did the revamped with doktor home and then the spin off torch waited than we did that miracle day, which was a ten part theories about this phenomenon that happen. When I play with us

Your murdering file right in trying to trying to kill me with a lethal injection at the top movie and it doesnt work, and then they realise that someone else there was expected to die didn't die right after that, no real life. Me on. No one is die and they thought it was a miracle, but quickly. It began big tree are the no one's getting better, so they're all hovering in sickness, so the whole amount of. What's where are we going to get the resources to take care of these people? And I've been waiting for somebody to draw an analogy to that for its work and this and it just below the radar enough. I guess that hasn't struck, but I I keep thinking I was We re premises and really great allegory. Two per bird planet earth and ass I mean I'm a huge doctor who fan, of course in you know, torch wording,

John Barrowman, and you know I mean it's- it's such a great universe and Russell was so good at sort of, tackling a lot of you know a lot of these kind of like philosophical life questions about about us, but through the lens of you know the aliens in the universe and we inside try and it to me those doctor who, like doktor, who in torch, would I thought of it, in the same category as like you know, the original rights rolling Twilight Zone words like there's two such great commentary, vapor resolute commentary on our culture, but do like down in a way that is through this other kind of safe. I went so I completely understand, but when that happens, for you was like go. I think. There's gonna be amazing and it doesn't you know, and it's not as big as you had hoped, it would be. Do you just?

have sort of a mantra like our wealth under the next thing, or do you have to have more night for a second or two? You are you just sort of like you know it's just part of the business yeah. I guess I live insect illusion social media. So I dont see her out of references to a while disasters. Something is, and I live with the thought that it was so much by the men get in there and then I those that I can talk to you liked it light in the lab and live with that enough, though, I got a little bit hardened to the fact that some things get Jack rejected well, but I also think that it's, you know it's such an interesting idea, and especially one and I think a lot of people are really coming down. The stand specially now, but the idea that you know we don't really control anything and we want to build these bottles of security where we can it you, don't worry,

trick ourselves into thinking. We have some sense of control either for routine or whatever it is that we do or we have stability and security in something like, happens: we realized we really did. We know we don't you know we can sort of control, how we reacted things but being an actor. You have about the least control in the interim. A business right because you get hired, but you still have. No control over? You know Oh, they didn't hire you because you're not six to your. Only six wonder they needed someone with this color hair and then, when you get the job you gonna take they're gonna use you don't rather than alighted, you don't know what gonna be added. I mean you really have to become travel, not have any control and showing up in doing what you do, I guess and hoping for the best is that sort of outworks yeah yeah somebody's lake, psychological and crazy. Here you know

get validated dated year. They process in what you understand. Humans should be you're still in what way. Windsor intelligence and winds they're all that, then it becomes a little bit of a scary, sense of being way outside their curve of what most people think and I have to say I do large part and dark waters. Why said, I have a small part. What a good part and with my rock low- and there will be a day I was so even though I Didn'T- I the huge investment in it time the stuff so good entire he's such a great filmmaker in the movies so found and challenging and about relationships in things beyond just the social

this issue of it and the fact that I was realizing would be yeah. I was seeing any traction. Nobody talking about nobody, including it under ten listen then I felt little bit in saying that it wasn't retraction yeah, but I would imagine you know at a certain point. You probably just have to go up but I showed up. I got to be a part of this thing. I did what I did and that sort of the process that is is the reward. I mean how much you know like it, obviously great to be validated externally, but I think the people you know that have like a strong. You seem to me, like you, good centre like you seem like a grounded guy and I'm wondering where does that come from the Jew learned Peter Or is it someone in your life or were you raise that way, or is it a like what has allowed you to

two new to sort of just you know, move ahead, focused keyboard all these years and keep her head on his shoulders. You know, I think, a lot about my family because their most of my medicine type another man this during this period, where you're saying caregivers, really push the limited brothers in these doktor montier, my parents, I think my bought one my mother was nursemaid, followed doktor am, I think, their acceptance of every type of humanity. What is their office? There was something about that ethic never spoke disparagingly about any of their patients and their in museums, whole town and every one of them was interesting.

Serve to source engage and I think there is a great embrace of humanism than he had in my mother's. Well, said whether these are going I'm poorly or not. There's always somebody the suffering of the more than you are be aware of them. Someone's getting excluded. You can always drawn certain larger to keep them inside you know, and so maybe that's in those times. I think a lot about that cannot teachings that you get when you grow up, That's really interesting to hear because it as your saying that it makes me realise that one of the thing they think you saw amazing at his just playing human like real human people, just like a gap no, like a guy going through some shit and you are able to ground that in a way by the way, I think just like a regular person is so much

harder than I pray the character who has allotted checks, are a lot of you know like some. No really hook onto because that means or refusal, yeah. You know like that. You have that dimension to jump into when you don't know what else to do, which is to play a person to play a guy going through. Stop that to me seems really hard because who that guy. What are they latched onto and it sounds like because of the way that you were brought up, it's just finding their humanity. It's like how do you one pack them interest? I find that sort of like how do you emphatically connect with their humanity? Is a process that you go through the sort of do that when you're cracking and to stop or is it just second nature must be an yeah, because part of it is if you like

One of the great joy to worry and sinner is kind quality he has which is in scrap demonstrating, comes about, and maybe that's why they're found me was something that Europe believes in about radical. I never heard that when night, why any man coined by their sense of radical being late and being and pathetic, Put yourself really and somebody shoes in a way to really not just feel sorry for him. Mary. Would you really trying to try to understand and accept the way their ticket and I d that someone you know Ambrose. It becomes a little bit Mason vulnerable

I saw something approaching somebody like my lawyers, character, Rywhere. Is really really sensing There is a genuine conflict within this person, and this person was how sound arms and then at other times does it is dangerous and how do you keep your about a thousand the ship? keep flow jumper when you're next to that, when you're inside those kind of thoughts that kind of radical empathy, I know we're going to pause to tip of the hat to our sponsor for this episode, only twenty podcast squares Space square space? Hey? Maybe now is the time to build the digital thing that yours wanted to have whenever a kind of online presents to you we have. It's not social media based, but your own thing that you can craft the way you want it, whether it's a blogger, oppressed patient nor some type of approach

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revolted, just sort of shake it off like like, because, obviously, when you become empathetic you You do feel things you, don't you feel things for these characters even now. It's pretend you feel things for them? And so are you know, do you have any kind of a ritual that sort of like sort takes off the last roll and move on to the next raw. You know or are you? Are you able to just sort of clocking clock out tat way and I think a heavy come I was just was shooting this Netflix theories about Paul seldom play gave in the holy user. Who was the corporate add up nor signed, engages in wonder what the licensing and debate given that a good brain someone like all send this wild renegade designer into buried corporate structure and make employers in

So there was a guy who were his book is called there there, something like the confessions published a street savvy corporate head or something- and you know that just that kind of certain key self assurance everything was great ticklish Shaka Ambrose and get into a whole different bleeding pattern and shape my dear yet been changed everything and that so It was really getting into a lot and then get shot down to I'll have to go back the I'm glad there. Yes, yes, are! Hopefully you, yes, I'm glad you're. Here we go back to that because it, I would imagine you probably what you said. Anything, you want to be different and so

you ever sort of senior representatives like despairingly, something weird I want to do something that so far out. There is some sort of really crazy character. Please do you other different sides dear creative minds that you feel like you still want to scratch or that you just sort of you know get caught up in sometimes that you want to do. I think there are other type. I remember there was a period where I felt like ours not getting enough, as I call them salty dogs You mean like, like the like, the military general or the like. You gave me watch your ass and get it isn't like that? Guy Lee you know just having

to not being sympathetic being somewhat there you're my gin euro and I even put together, I have little file of pictures of myself dies a piece of this visa, salty dogs Pullman as work through just remind myself of the salty dog wing of the gallery. Wait. You can only do that you're trying to convince you like, but I know you think, I'm a nice guy, but I can be an asshole. Ok. Can you please just make me like now observe billiard, just a nice guy, you're, nice guy? What do you want? Your nice guy? Well tat, really nice guys recently in desperately Ambrose right here. Very isolated, very bears Europe, not the flu.

It all disappointing for people's Anti social, although I think I learned to saudi dives? Well, that's good! That's good! I mean I even just you'd like you're in the movie singles, if you remember it, for like five minutes, but you have said, but there's even such a humanity with that character, where he just like. There's no turn where you just go: see, I just don't know how to have fought like and it it's so endearing and I'm curious how you are able to take like you know five minutes of screen time and do something magical with it like that which you know that could have been somewhat. Well to just sort of like didn't. You know like whatever its he was a doktor. He was abreast arbitration, doktor, he's in and out of five minutes in its fine. You know, but are you like that?

conscious or are you working you know? Do you say to came a growing? Why haven't idea here so I kind of want to do this, or do you just sort of do kind of make the note before than just run with it, when you're on the deck I know I just always hope that when I get there and start doing the thing I wanted beat up the space I want to be in that it's gonna be something the directors built like is good and appropriate for the movie and that I did in and dark waters. I had not that easy carbon with me.

I knew this guy and a file it would operate and taught it s been directory, is just let let it lie and gave great permission in great encouragement then. So I didn't get marked with you know in terms of I got supported and got good note and everything, but didn t those basic conception of the character. That was. That was great. I'm and you know this secret about signals. He said I got usually words because in Cameroon you know. What's your great your obray on in person in everything and so invested in all the characters. But if you remember you sneak Doktor James cited Hemison Ear. He doesn't come into the story until one

It's picture and bridges character was really flowering later and it was it's really kind of mid way through them. That she that she goes and decides to have this book job and that's when Jameson said young. Don't really. I don't think you need this and I first read the part and turned it down and Bridget Fonda and sent word through and said: you've got six Just talk to Cameroon you'll see, I talked to Cameron Anythin, what's wrong, why don't you take this part, and I said Why juice my pilot, still alive at the time, and he was a blood and got doctor, and he always if there were a few times, Rep

a little short of patients and guess and disrespect it whispered, plastic surgeon. How interesting and I said the camel- I don't want my father to see me playing a plastic surgeon in his lifetime Venza. Easing. How did how did they convince you to do it? She said I want to put that in the moon. And so we had this whole thing that I can remember, since this part is in there or not, but it's where he says look at I'm not. I think it's in still in this right now, I'm going to be,

during this plastic surgery, but they don't even believe in it? I don't think I'm gonna be doing it much more and it was a short references, something we did see matter, but in that moments she decides we decided we are not likely pair to see each other, but while while we try- and so we have an attempt at a relationship and I then I have this this kind of awakening that I'm I'm really just recently divorce. Add not great ginger really feel comfortable with it younger than a little younger than myself, and that I didn't understand you know the music abroad

that will be like who helped a lot, a genre of music. That's really funny here with tears. Just sorry gets out there say dirty goes to our house and cheese. Had this kind of bike also awareness that maybe he's gonna reject her, and she gets his advice that when someone like that you had a relation having a relationship is about to reject you, you can have a you can kind of reduce its impact on you. If you picture them in embarrassing circumstance, I came to the door where I started to say: look I saw much of you by and then all son, I'm a clown in a whole plans,

since such a bummer that that is done fantastic really until he called me up, and I was just thinking before I was going to get released in everything. You said, though, I got to apologize. I you know cut cut all that stuff out, but when I saw the movie Lastly, in the skies cause, there was something really beautiful about our relationship in that brief little minute that didn't need. Comedy afterwards, anyway, with more vivid by what potential it had that it didn't to fill that it did by the building. Something disappointing I just I'm. So I love the idea that, like a lot of times, an actor will call their parents and go listen. I'm just so. You know, I'm I'm tired. I didn't unity in this movie, there's a weird sexy and are not you I just picturing you kind of going back? I don't

how to tell you this. I play a plastic surgeon. I know I know Did you break the newest members? Did he did he ever not did not seem a movie? I you know, I don't think he saw. The movie is key die in ninety two and I think we did the movie ninety one, I'm not sure about tomorrow, yeah, but he was very much and slippery slope bye bye by that time, but I did where I had a pair of shoes. You know that I carried with better still apple and I did where Ass, Jane, said Roger kind of keep my eyes during all tat stuff. That is such a beautiful story. I have no idea like that. That kind of death and thought and Empathy and also even just hear you say that it's like oh, my gosh, that makes so much the context of that based on like

human, the Jamieson character? Is it just it painted this other background that I didn't know about reform so glad you sure that story. That's a fantastic story line and it speaks through the genius Assembly, like Cameron, Brow who says that all included yeah up mood your objection to doing this are and then you can. Wow that's. That's really somebody is fluid, and can Europe really make something out of what is actually happening in front of you, rather than just some kind of conceit with all of them, with all the different roles, Dubai Is there anyone in particular that you sort of feel like more connected to than others, or does everything just sort of believe together, you know different moments, You know this

you're were some the one. I think you, I guess I think of something I wish tat I could be revived or that I had some kind of real joy that was really hard to leave and sometimes and are they're always the most successful movie, but mister wrong was a character that I really do something so good about being such a lunatic when everyone thought that this is the most normal person and cheaper he's. Mr right, Mr Right and then he starts reading border now, Degenerous is amazing in it she's. Just a genius is reacting in

that will be- I don't know about ever get fall. Well, do it was you know it has the stigma after she was still at the? U not out yet until the branches where a little bit, but I don't know she talks a lot about it. On tv But she has near me on the shoulder. I don't mean the latter to sort of like I don't know if you thought about that before I just came out like she's? Really this year, although I don't recall having been asked, should be now that I think about it. Maybe Oh now, but I guess it's just sort of like you know. Looking at the tapestry of everything that you ve been able to do, I really hope that you feel as much joy as you have brought so many different types of audiences because of the breath of the types of stop that you.

We have worked out, I mean do you. Do you seem like a pretty humble guys, I don't know if anything that you think about, but do ever, and this can all be in shit storm of Poland, which obviously is the book you're gonna write after this biogas Bob. But what do you think about when you think about your career? How do you use? How do you see it? What does it mean to you personally, I guess it's like a child that other people say: are you proud of your child and that and as if they, I wonder whether you she'll, be there I really am heads

many transformational experiences euro evidence but its spread in a kind of pattern. That really is it you think, God it's not a virus, because you never know where it came from, but I guess I think I like the fact that I did damn it on this. I get a version of Othello in Norway lie after about four years ago, with the sky than I had worked with twenty eight years before, and I want to work with them and we spoke Norwegian fifteen percent of handing out listen do about. Sixty percent of what was said me was a norwegian and wise these kind of experiences. I think I am I gonna live live actor through them all

made it through to the other side. Is there then very, very worrying? I you know I just had a couple years really good run, so I'm feeling like I do whatever the wild thing. I don't know Campbell then begs the repeater sinner. You know its first time, I've ever down a recurrence part, and I lived in fear of it. I just thought this is: show me if I get into some valid- and I see everybody just showing up in and plug it, like you said, Percy Clock or something and the idea that would kill me and then, and still be doing it in listening to people justified. Why they're doing just the money or something like TAT were really, but instead I get something I can't leave is so engrossing and the parties. So then somebody aberration with the writer and be able to

so autobiographical. Those second series is another, get Ambrose, don't act was on down Westerners day, which is basically built on. My all, autobiography in from being from their things in my bare. So I guess I M pretty pretty glad that it's all I don't know, anybody else would want it for a career. But I love well, then you also like- I know you ve written, plays as well. I was reading about expeditions, and it's a fascinating idea for a play- and I don't think I ever would have like

will you do that as having cause it's basically about the young? It's about people with ITALY, trappings in space they suddenly wiser and somebody I trained ass, a theatre director. You know that I made a lot of plays with documentary materials. That was one that I made from a true story of lumber blew up on top of that way to thousands of two. There were three on space station centrally stranded costs they couldn't bring down in the set up another shuttle and just what it would be like to be in space. Looking down on earth in that kind of bottleneck of history that and I we get it all with low flying trapeze, gosh, that's incredible! So you're! U you so you haven't! You had to do

folding wire work at the statements that I've been with everything else. This was done. Well, it was a low lying. You know the single point, so it's on one acts access and that not like that to the chinese style. Trapeze butter with picture worked within nine actors that were trained in this, and so I get to do a lot of things in really really am I right now, I'm making a play about the sawdust, Charlie Russell and working with my son, who makes puppets middle son of the third task, though you know I keep Goin, what amuses me whether anybody else gets? It did see it or not. Do you mind if I run down to the next room and grab this baseball's. How that really has made a short

they were very early faggots I'll, be right back in almost doesn't through the door. Oh my gosh. Ah oh wow, that tourism uneasy. It's over your shoulder. You yeah yeah fits in fits pretty perfectly wow problem. I'm so glad when I got there Maisie ass. Ah, I really can't thank you enough, This is, I hope this was ok for you and it actually totally. It felt totally normal to me, like you, really how to make this sort of feel. Not we, in these weird times,

a year so interested in movies, and I just when you said Dan about towards one day. I have to say that gave me warm heart because that that you said that the doktor who George Willard like in the category of Twilight Zone. You know that Absolutely absolutely I mean it was. You know, I'm just such a huge doctor who fanon in I'm sure you know the towards what is an anagram for doktor who and I and I do think that The people who know torch wording who know that world it's not a casual love affair. They have with those things I mean like, like the fence. It are super vans, suggest you should be. You should feel good knowing that the people there did get to see it for hugging love it. So it's that better that should be of some. That's that should that should get get to my word, for you tat in every other. Rapid human

you know so much about building. So I'm really glad we got it just in due time to you went into certain. Lastly, for people, just one quick thing: like: what's your sort of joy space like what do you do out says or anything outside of acting? That sort of you know, like interests a hobby anything that makes you joy for anything you do just for you is there anything outside of that? Well, I can't join it being back here. I have an orchard year and so many times with trees right this time years, really great, it's very good joint bought time to be in California is pleasant, weather it's unbelievable. Camp Chairs in the sixties as the highest in the world words are singing and that's what I've got incredible man and fruit this year, because I got my rainwater system going on, then this rose a twenty two trees right now

the sheer Ryan given crazy about six years ago for different kinds. It man ends in lines and then exotic through. So that's the skimming good they're keeping me occupied. Do I hope you have a grandma deeply stay safe and healthy and yeah. I'm awfully war will talk again sometime great great pleasure thanks day, so chairs, ticker gear I Ii and iii incomplete.