Welcome the eighty twenty podcast number ten. Fifty a bonus episode posting this week because it's very special which I'll explain in a second but You are out in the country of America gotta wizard our dot com. I will be touring around doing stand and bringing my wizard guitar now, I'm in San Francisco today's date is February money. Ninth, oh my gosh, the phantom twenty nine. Of February a leap, year, they would say- and next weekend I was supposed to be in Sacramento and my deepest apologies. I had to move the data I'm shooting something and the schedule. Just and next weekend we only just found out and it was unchangeable, and so I apologise, but I am moving those dates to August so I'll be in Sacramento. I think August, six, seven and eight, so that definitely did get moves. So I apologise just put off

handful of months. So please, still come back in August. I hope to see you there and at other places, if you gotta, wizard, Guitar Dotcom Boston come on up Breyer, California, Minneapolis Denver lots of cities, but now, let's talk about you, the eighty two anti community events at Idee, ten t dare come like Nicole rose who came to the show at the punchline in San Francisco with her doubly nice, husband and they she is a huge, van and she actually makes custom Mickey ears. Now, if you at all whether or not you are Disney event, but if you I defend. You will understand the gravity and importance of this week as Disney creates. A bunch of you know like they cycle through. Mickey ears like they do them seasonably. They feel them around things, and you know their basely just, that when they come out, we run it. We run at the us and say take my money and so new court, but

maybe they don't always have the mouse years that you want, Nicole rose actually makes custom made. Years, which is so unbelievably cool. You should go to her instagram, which is new, all rose crafts, and I see. Oh l e rose r o s. E crafts, see our aid after yes, but They were so incredibly sweet and her work is fantastic, so I just wanted to give it a shoutout. So if you will your thing on the progress you can either just give me your conquered show. I happily engine it or you can email at events and eighty twenty d come. Ok. Now this special episode. It's out that you know it's especially themed episode. It's just the guest I am. I was particularly just in all of and delighted that she came on its Carol came. Who is just a comedy legend while comedy just acting

she has been in. So many not normal, she bit in so many of my favorite things, but she gives look ultimately flawless and memorable performances in everything she's in and it doesn't even matter how many lines like she can have major part or a small part. You know she could be in it for a couple minutes like princess bride and still or Scrooge an end, whatever she does. Generally like the stand out thing and so on? sit down with her and she was just fantastic. Such sweet and wonderful human being in agreement with it these are the moments that was an I loved you and the podcast, but being able convince people that idolized to come and talk to me and she tells Great Andy, Kaufman stories. Oh my god, she was just phenomena So I believe that you will enjoy this episode

promoting actually not a comedy she's in hunters, which is the Jordan Peel produced, show for Amazon, Prime, that operates those stars in, and it's about now hunters in the seventies, and it looks in edible, so Carol Kane. I don't have your listening to this enough, but let me just it keeps the more love and adoration onto you, and thank you for coming on, and thank you for listening deficit, ten fifty of the eighty twenty podcast which darts her now and evil,

we re all people. It is well known for its work kind of. My wife is what I was doing this downstairs. She just had this extra paper, that's in our house, and she goes here, take like its power factory is perfectly it's busted. You know it's a transformative. Is to feel peaceful, relaxing

do you live in a layer unicorn. I live in New York and you get to spend a lot of time in a way not anymore. I used to share work here a lot, but I don't know why, but, alas, too shows reaches Gimme Schmidt hunters. They shoot in Brooklyn check me, come you. My apartment, which is great, has been to Hastigt. Yet has a lot friends, your actors who go. I can't deal with alarming to go to New York. They usually and coming back like that's just not enough work in New York City. That's good! Are you any theatre stuff. At the moment, I'm just gonna work camper. Play that delaying May world. I don't and I dont they were just workshops, but I hope we get to do it in the future theater was it mean theatres, kind of your foundation? I may I that's how you started. I

I remember watching taxi and first Rhine. Might I watched a week when I was a kid you wish to men. Yeah I was young, but I still like I love and I absolutely loved it and at that time did you think, like all war, obviously interact or maybe I'll do television and film? I don't know, or was that part of the goal, or is it just like acting as acting no matter what acting used acting under? I must tell you the first I had in those days back in the note to my browser to notify. There was a thing

viewer in movies. You did not do television rights considered Vienna beneath it to do. Television was very separate burners days, not at all any more, but on so the first time I did it. I really looked down upon her and I thought that the producers were like people from Nabiscos sat privileges man? You know the people that had the money right had to say whatever, and so I thought the gym bergs, who might be the funniest dead or alive at along with Tina Vain for you feel it. I thought that the guy from Nabiscos Sally, came to my judging them. After half

and in the theater half hour when they call half hour nobody interrupt, you didn't, don't come to talk junior, judging or anything like that. Sacred preparation, time and Jim came in I've done my door and I was just pause- you know, did you have to have our? Am I getting ready and use shows great? He was so respectful of marriages understood and eating get offended. An unnamed, basically left off its role, I know I was such a fool no, I was there was different. I didn't know an end I mean I knew that the writing was brilliant and I had seen in episode that Jack Guilford did and I feel of Jack can do it. Then I can do that

and once you started doing it, did it change your perception, not aware this winter. I stay d feel that I should pay them, because the lines that they gave me and in the script is consistently were so brilliant. I just I oh my god. I can't believe you pay me, You say you don't pay me like a grave, so I can get out of here. I have to say that such a give tee no job cuts imposed after two was so like I mean yes, the words were funny, but you you found that character to. Indeed you with that part of the like what was the audition process further- I didn't you didn't they just after the gym offered it to me, and then it was about you, know getting to know Andy and Jimmy Boroughs who directed taxi

a taxi Jimmy? Was he Andy United together before we started working and we met and to that was great and Andy Ok, this is that you're gonna, a little story has please so we decided that we'll go out for dinner. I probably decided that we'll go out for a year because I learn to learn his language. You know, like is language.

Cuz I would. I was from the same place and I wanted it to really sound right like him, and so he said well, I arrived at his house for dinner and we agreed that we would go someplace that no one would recognize us. So when I get there- and he says he has four- I thought we would go to Mexico I guess I was a little taken aback, but I thought you you just can hang in there and you get a road to pinch punches. You know friendly, what's gonna Mexico that you're a girl so he's on the phone in the kitchen for like a half an hour and I'm waiting in the living room, and I said I came into the kitchen and said Andy. You know four gonna Gunnar makes a good thing

better start, better lean and he looks at me like I am re. Easy answers makes it go. You really thought we were gonna go to Mexico, like I'm the one, that's crazy, but by the way, but totally sounds like something he would do eat. Yes, that's the thing does sound like some and he would eat it would obviously it would be a story already personal care. Ok, he said he was going to Mexico and you thought he was giving and they went to Mexico like any horribly sounds like an Endicott. No sir, I don't think it's too rigid. But apparently I were I thought for some reason. I thought he was going to say

should go to a restaurant, where no one recognizes that, so we should just be these characters. Well, so we did go to a Chinese, Russia, China, unless CN and go, and how we arrange TAT is that we were talking the language and I'll get. I went to gaze rhythm in everything and I would tell him in English what I wanted to order and they will the waiter came. I would order in Andy's language in and you a chance Any word debray were, and we talked in his language well, and it was very specific rhythm. You know, but even though, in the script you know I lines were written in a bush of got her men only just picked up with that language. In an hour

just a few words TAT were repeated in meant some made everybody knew like yeah that may ride was now the boy. Let your buttons anyway he used very generous. That's really cool I mean because at that time to be on a sick, come at that I'm when literally like fifty million people would tune in to wish. I mean it's insane to think of one sub gray, and so they gave an audience right Cunningham. Either an movies. For me, it was like the dream job because it was a play being fit in writing of an audience. Right could react to you and every thing yeah. It was the best of everything and did you feel I feel, like that was appeared, a time where, if you are on a show like taxi on a Thursday on Friday, everyone was

Oh my god, I know who you are young. You know out outside of the theatre community, like the main stream public outrage, shagging to be anti v, and she may pupil recognized. You know like recently having Kim even know that was like a research. For me now then, all of a sudden everybody at the goes free. You know that the check out people, the girl she's during everybody, knew me all sudden. It was very surprising yonder also That was? There was a now. Everyone understands how shows are made and they know that people are characters, but I wonder if back then people really thought you were from some bizarre. Tree like remain me. Didn't did people did people like try to talk you in that language in public girl. They now get power granted to get need to tat in ocean.

Vision and then, especially after we were cancelled, and then people can get me talking that island I couldn't do it and I literally couldn't do it and I think they thought I was just being stuck up recently. But the thing is you really have to practise set rhythm and everything writers tap an automatic right, because it is we are very articulate form. There is like it's not just blah. There are very specific. Like continents and syllable, yeah yeah so yeah, but nobody really, I think, chained, to talk to me and then after that because you you there are so many I mean you, you ve you ve done rated so many iconic things in Europe in our culture in, and I wonder is it? Did you have any awareness of vat or is it just like job to job? You gotta go to your job. You know, move

Tax will go to the next one yin and really really worry bad mean. Ok, and doing, ok and that's how it is. For me it's not yeah. I mean I just I'm always nourished and always afraid that I won't live up to what they want. Sure. So that tell me that you think that's good using performers need a bit of that sum. A friend of mine, crimes. That is like what that's the fire. You know every area, but it doesn't always feel good. It's, you know I go yeah, but you know if you are super comfortable, super. You know like just didn't worry about that stuff. All the time would you be as driven to to be the performer that I don't know yet I, the actual oh, oh, yeah, yeah, we either we get the rich, some, Why did I vote Moran, Stardust and then Paul Rubens, as is May we are biased, one man show

Turning now oh shown an amazing yeah and extended, the tour is coming to the beacon and new, it's fantastic now at so great. Oh, I was gonna say in answer to your question about the nerves and stuff, I don't think there's any one rule. You know I know so some people that are just cause a cucumber and abruptly yeah and then other people, the GIS again and throw up. It's too, and so I dont think dizzy rule. Are you and once you do a thing or do you do you gotta go back and second I should have done this. I shouldn't have done that that could have been better. That was better to some extent. Yes, like with tax tee. If its Edwin, Berger and Jim Book Stand Daniel says her, the rider produces and Jim was very

You know critical in a very, very artistic and constructive and helpful way so that, you know how many great art is very of protectionist measure. So I on taxi- I always felt that if Jim laughed, then it was ok and that any in very specific laugh that you could. You can hear when it was german than you could to have a sigh of relief that Europe was that with the kind of the standards Like ok, you know you work Monday to Thursday. You do like a studio run through on one side, and then you shoot affrighting idling. That schedules the best. That schedule is the least civil. His shop is because you know you have children or family or something. Then you know it's a ninety

I've job for days, and the one very long Dan Fried yeah, so civil, and then I think it Maybe, like three weeks on one week are not it's really not up, seven anywhere men's room now now the single camera days liking, whether from your contacts EPA about crap in our times four p m. I'm sorry. I just it's hard to learn to do like hide from you learn to do harm a d with no response right in a commitment was the first time I ever did you no single camera with Carmody Road and this very difficult because- you doing this scene if people find it amusing, like of ten afraid, finds it amusing. She can't laugh road because

she's, you know their filming Rosa. So you really don't know you're right, floating, wandering, yeah and also with Russia single camera, there's a lot in the editing, then he asked informs how a joke lands and it's gonna play anyway. So, like a lot of it doesn't matter. Into mystery if they don't even in your control, no sir, but yeah. What what some of your like when you know when you get a role, what some of your ram process fur unpacking at figuring out how to digest it had a developed the character. You do a lot of that in advance, or do you kind of need to be in moment of it to sort of figure out O. This feels right in the moment of it then also varies from me like there's some things. I've done it required a tremendous amount of research because they CASTOR Street address takes place TAT century russian Jews coming over and speaking.

Now that you know that you cannot just arriving, get it right, you can't, but then there are other things like, for instance, kill me where I didn't really know how to do. It may mean that, for first year. I felt it our sliding around, and I wondered if I got in her own just had to trust, Tina Robert, if I didn't get, it were speak up for Rome and but I was uncomfortable because I really was sure tat. I was doing what they wanted to know, but then I cannot, you know, relaxed enter. So that that is an example of just going in there? And you know swimming around blinded by trying to find Lillian, sure sure sure I really do think are internal judges, helpful or dick is sometimes it sort of hard to have the correct perspective. You know

You think you're doing something one way, but it's hard to sell it's hard to tell, but I suppose you know like I, I do know people whose inner judges is key and right and probably more people in your judges brood sure, but I think you have to have something going on in that way. Right I mean I don't know you look like, for instance, Andy. He hues of performance. Tired is,

didn't I don't think that he I know he did not approach to work in the way I did she has. We had a constant, I'm sort of long term differences thing, because I being from the theater I wanna do rehearsal what I love rehearsing, an Andy being from stand up her performance art. I call should stand up, so he just did not wonder rehearse because it was bad for his prize and so then every Friday when catch you any only which their two days a week, Oh, why do read too and Friday for the shoot, and that was in its contract. You know because he they hired Andy to play a character. The deal is doing and stand cod foreign man

that became like, and so they wind him and he said, dirge only a certain way. I can do this and this is the way in and that did not involve rehearsing right. So there is a faking Andy again. Jeff an Eu Stuart sign, renders negative said and he wouldn't rehearsals as we know, and then Andy would come and billing? Why can't you be hearing the original doesn't know he he would say. Well, I understand that you know you want baron and maybe need that. But the thing is, I just can't do it, it's just not good for man then I would say I understand that you can't do it

and then would have this discussion every week before we hit the stage and by the time we ended the discussion we were together and in and we need it because we were in love and everything so, but we had it repeatedly because I I didn't get over it and he couldn't. He couldn't change, I couldn't get over it and then we would find a common ground and be together and have so much fun. I've been, I feel bad for Jeff who probably watch those episodes of this fact Instead, I live on. I entered this then that you're saying on camera, but you know you cannot, it's hard to argue with the results I mean like that that character, I can't remember if Latka was supposed to be such a stand, our character, if he just cool just what he just was and it just sort of clicked and in that way, but that man, I just can't even imagine what that.

Must have been an especially like? You know, we're television as that much power or in the seventies and all of a sudden, a show is really popular, and it's like I don't really know any, I'm not digging for any gossip dirt anything, but I just wonder like I know what happens when a show has been around for a little while and success everyone kind. I get at sea and it's like girl who's, the star of the shot like it can get on board, and you know, like I just wonder, is- is it? Is there that you know like not even just navigating yourself and the work, but also like in any long term for can you probably navigating pert personalities of all of them in a stop to that alone had worked. If we Europe, early seasoned. By the time we came to taxi even know why our pretty young, but, but still I had, I said, it. When I was fourteen hours in both union turnout for dinner and Danny of Courage had done a ton of state

asian and yard. You know so and Mary Lou done in Greece and so on. I think that it was a rarity, because I think that those of us who had been working for a while I understood that we were in Heaven. There were that we had the best pass traders going and that we will approve privilege, to do it and I know because I've been another shows that sometimes people don't you stand and make certain wish they could move on and do a different shower. You nodes exciting part is big enough and aid other be somewhere else right and then I think, when a year to goes by and they see what they laugh,

may realise, but I think we realized actually in a moment tat. We were incredibly lucky and you know route we ve still very close That's really nice to hear that makes me happy because it you know where you serve track: the history of sitcoms reading that part of the reason why in the sixtys we had all these like bewitched and Brady Bunch is because they are really trust. There was so much theirs. Much social change, going on in very serious issues and war and and civil rights, and all these all these incredible changes happening in our culture, and so there was a real pushed too like. Let's make tee vision, entertainment as much of it like as fantastical is possible game. Escape its very idealized and there were a lot. You know the monsters and be they know is no fun yeah. I was like so like it wasn't reality because it with trade with and then in this

When these you know you get taxi, you get Norman Lear succumbs. Then you get this return in Essen. L. This return to, like real comedy like real Riddy, edgy, comedy itself, still yeah exactly and also in the movies item, then Louise I got to do in seven days reaches amazing. You know it is a very special time in the movies Sidney met and had to be in my nickels and others. People making me look four men in making these very individual brilliant movie? If she now woody in yeah? It's really, it's interesting how how we see ourselves and how the mine can work, sometimes because you know on paper, if you looked it, if, if you look All of your credits as though you were someone else is so that personal someone else. You know why this person, friends on paper, they are real good,

like they were blows, maybe people, but at the time you're just sort of way ploughing through trying to keep your head down in and do good yeah, and what was there any particular director that you because I mention all of those amazing directors. They all have different styles and ways in Munich, hating and ways of getting what they want. And so how are you navigating that's like how does that affects? You know your performance when you have to like create a new relationship with a different style every time for again, fortunately, incredibly fortunate, my first actual role in a movie because I had done Extror for a long time. When I started at fourteen, then my first actual role was in the movie,

goodbye might Nicholls Car, Colonel Knowledge and Jack Nicholson? Ah, yes, so and make was the most extraordinary genius and one of his big big biggest give. Is that he made you feel that you could do no wrong. Therefore, You could do no wrong. It gave you so much freedom because he said it and you could tell the demented and a lot of the better directors were like that. I'm in how to thy coward sit next to Cameron, less detail, and I recall that in those days, directors were on sat next to the camera they were and what we now call video will.

So far away. They were right there and how it was so involved. Who is a receipt that huge crack up outlet when we re shooting, which of course makes to take an used when he knew, but he used is so spontaneous and so in love with the prices that he just stay I couldn't help it spread ass near you know, Sidney you and we. The day after noon only reached for a month a month. We were running through the script like a play. We could run it from top to bottom before we started shooting while that is his style. You know that really great? And I imagine each time you are picking up a little bit. Things here and there to kind of grow, your own performance but why ITALY and and

new, you learn that you have to be extremely flexible, you know, and and and adjust to each new atmosphere. The atmosphere at the director creates role and that's a big part of what they do. Is they take eight the atmosphere around and in which you will be trying to create no act into me. Is it is always I mean I I do I do I do stand up. I'm never really acted a whole lot, but it thing it scares me about it. Is that you just Have no autonomy over like you, gotta wait to get here. It even when you're hired like you still do you know what you gonna do, what they say it has to be with an even if you don't agree with it. It's like well, ok, I gotta go what they want- and I got you I'm hired, I can't you know, and you know it and then also it gets ever did and it could be

on the floor. Wonder I add another big scene and large should get ended before it open. And so yeah, you really canter you're, not your own by such Fisher right, but you still have to find a way to, but I guess it's a good metaphor for life. All you can really control is what you can, how you may again when I get in That's it you're right, and you know that is a hard thing to get used to, but you gotta get used to write when Obviously you know, I'm sure princess bride. Is an amazing stand out role and you're in the movie firm, maybe Blake, five or six minutes with Billy Crystal and lucky. And then it's you know suffer a movie. Like that, do you, You are Do they say you know well come in she's this like the way I want the wife

like a medicine. Sorcerer is when you get there. Up in the prosthetics and everything. Then you, like all I see who she is now now. Let's how it works. Fine, thank you because I really do something in our work. In this case, I did not have the addition, thank you rob and new abandon long enough to head too. Together with Billy and we read the book and then we had together and we talk to our back story. You know we created backstory for further couple and you know, and then we talked with Rob. I headed time, and you know it was written very clearly and beautifully, and

and so by the time we went issued, will we be ended, idea of of who you were and who we were ass, a couple you right now and then they do put that make a ban, and that is brutal. Such a long and not the hare fake here, and that in that case we had a cloudy kind Oh, yes said that we would look old, say you couldn't. See anything an advance. And then Rob is another laugh her by the way I always be under certain start laughing enough and that that sort of really fun to that goal, You know, that's real! If they laugh Andy Shewed will there will be a particular. It carry, I was just on a couple of them will be a particular just sort of feels like at every turn. Every part of it was just

I mean levelling. Everyone was totally free to just like: have fun, go big have a good time. This isn't, you know, I think, that's not caring. Tell that it's good to see that Mandy Burka Rib Game cuz seen was peers laughing. So trying not you know his character, who sows here right. Very always, serious Billy was just cracking now all of us up some You know and I feel sorry carry how he lay there dead, all only mostly the israeli cell I dont know how he did that always Billy. Just like you know, the thing on everything in the most brilliant way and and like I said,

that mandate cared so I not developed any Booker were met. That's you know, that's if you're gonna break a rib, that's not it! I waited do a good way to break a rib. Are you able to do watch your stuff like or do you go to the screen? to enable the water number do not like to some people don't like to have their performance is informed by you know getting in their head about what theirs Seeing you mean why it should be for abolition out? It's done, I'm! Ok! That is something that I get too much and I must tell you and I'm really sorry about that as I go- oh dear, no older, ah it's really hard for me to look at my face freedom, because, ah I think, like many p, in my mind. I still look like I did when I was young, because I still feel like I did when I was young and then all of a sudden you know.

Incidentally, I look in a mere or you have to watch yourself when you do eighty are which is when you place dialogues, Bibbs done reason the sound wasn't good or they wanna change your word or whatever. You have to look at yourself, because you have to sink up what you're saying earth what you're doing on screen and storage, your for me now. You know, honestly, I think people I think we'd see things that other people don't see, and that is surprised me because sincerely you look amazing and it really. I wasn't thinking and obliges telling you hire Dayton showers when I was young, I there is a lot easier to tend to look. I just, I think, often we notice every molecular chain in everything that other people don't people just don't see that stuff and I don't

I certainly I honestly, I'm the there's nothing about it. You know like everyone, just what have if we're lucky enough to be around alone do but it, but in the end I- and I know that part of it to them and very grateful to Be- I and am very grateful that people still want me no work now and but still just too low is really high, like I saw a screening last night of hunter images. This, for at a boy brilliant new show, I'm one without the gene, and when I look at myself and now I just like such an old lady random mindset known him, a friend of mine, said what you said, but I cannot, but that's what I see in oh, my god, if I could

Move that from your brain. I would believe. Yes, I will stay, ok, a business, dabble in amateur surgery, it'll be fine, it'll be fine, no, but so going from that was with scrooged after princess writer. Was it but- and I believe that the draft it was after that's enough when words like that, you know the ghost of Christmas present could have been anything and yet you know such a strong fun I do to make this theory all basically the theory of brute Brown, I now Billy, would agree with you wherever these I gave my time and sometimes like especially when night my wings on and I jumping around in the Kitchen- and he was right behind me- sometimes they would hit. I can quite control them here in back of me, you know

I really would agree that I was a boot up, but I have to tell you, okay, so my dear friend, who longer with great Michael O, Danny you and Mitch Glaser who still writing and one for the daily that part, and I think they they wanted me to do it. You know, and but I audition for Dick Turner and it will care, but I have to say the way it was written felt it just. I just did what they wrote and at that time came out pledged Dick, was so helpful and there was obtained a lot about how that part, and that was that the character, his books, do a little ballet dance when she first comes

bubbles and the things in sparkles, and so I learned ballet dance on through a fabulous teacher named Julian Hester and I actually got on point in everything by the time we were done and I thought TAT. I was

doing such a good job and so on- and I was just like a woman of studio lot rehearsing while they are shooting in another, is a sound state and then dig donors, Saint Michael River, who is brilliant, brilliant designer set designer scrooged he sent Michael and to go check out the dance re outpost of a double at that for the real. You know for sure you know at the point and but but I still what had to be. You know they had to be able to come back to me in between and have my face and stuff so hard Michael comes in, he sits on the floor. I start my dance and I'm so serious about it meant so much to me to be good and he just gets hysterical laughing instantly.

When he saw it as doing I boys trying to great really he's laughing and laughing so he goes to dig diner need tell, some how funny it is me trying to hide being so operating clumsy and between the two of them Dick made the decision that here want me to do it that way and not have the double IRAN not have a real dance syrian there, and so I think that that I really have to say. I think that she was between the great script for me and that thing of starting out so stupid had so awkward and trying to hide it dear good, an end and dick just really wanted me to have total freedom road. That's how she was born, that combination of roads

right that she is, she was, she really was. She was trying really hard. She wanted it and have a great time all the time. Don't you think it's just having such a great time but underneath just this sort of like see having monstrously sit at home, now chancellors, wild keg, and so do you have sort of a pattern of like I don't wanna be away from theatre to rated wicked for a long time. I didn't want to do. Do you feel like our from away from theatre too much like that's really my router? I need to go back as much as possible and I do I go back but well, I'm not famous enough to control the progress of my career like I can't take

of two years. From now I'll sign on to do glass, menage, Scherin and they'll. Do it sure and no wait, two years from mere whatever I'm not like? It's not like that. For me, if a lovely lovely job comes along, I have to say yes, ok, an arm when I was young. I was so tortured all the time, but every how to make decisions and what was the right thing to do, and then I worked with Charlie burning and I worked at him several times and we were again when a stranger cause- and I was, as I say, toy to Tibet how how you make a career and had I you make the decisions. Charlie, you know what. How do you decide? What would you do and he said to me I say yes to the first person than asks

thirteen and alone we have either? You know I'm basic, I'm not going to. Yes, We thing right because something to show bad or whatever sure, but basically I I want to have forward motion. I don't wanna sit home cricket, sizing things I want to be there I be acting, I want be working with, people and learning and not be down in my head to be self destructive or whatever want to be their road So that's the she ass. She did that instead of into play- and it comes up I like it. I really really really tiny. Do it lets fantastic, but there is no timing in it. For me, like I can't control when I get back on stage right, although I just

the workshop of play than I'm really hoping happens, but you know again, I can't controls at either Norbert sulphur. It's interesting to hear you really feels like you evolved a lot really quickly he's telling. You came in with a lot of ideas about what you thought the business was, but Somehow, rather than being inflexible and being eaten by the industry, you somehow managed, like I better. I better course cut I better figure out how to make this work I had to. I had two hours can be involved in it. I have of my own self critical. And when I was very young. I am ashamed to say that I would be critical, You know I make a bite. Is such a genius

I love- and I was critical of her on animal- recalled the lemon sisters and I it made me feel so I had in the night. I I realized that. That's that's not how it is. The process of doing it is all there. Is she in now and part of that process is to color, especially in movies is collaboration, you know, and just taking other people's ideas

in not thinking, oh, it's gonna be my way right. I gotta have everybody's way. You have to be open and listen and learn the thing just grows and grows that way. So I learned from other people that I admired I learned to let go of that ridiculous perfectionism to some extent short completely, but you know I am sigh for lower was when I started and I am grateful for having linked to let go of that stuff. Well, that's the best. You can do me. It's like you know you make mistakes and you'll learn from them and you you do better, it's a but but the business you know enable I dont. Imagine Maybe there are some acting class to do this, but I dont imagine that at most acting classes are like ok, we're we're gonna do acting exercises today,

and the world are going to talk about mental health and balance and how to keep your ego and check man had been unable to me a good course. It would be an eye or are we now agree? A brilliant course because it's really especially if you stop very young and new lucky enough to six set some success when you're very young you have no, the add a handle array, none ready it just like what you're in another world and yeah no idea yeah and then also we are constantly condition to think that everything is about us. You know is like our social model. These are just all of our sort of carefully controlled image is in every things about around our attention. You mean you're, better off. I say Dundee had that my nurse tightening up a minute what an amazing time to not have to worry about that stuff too. It's just you go and you were.

Can you eat? I knew were yeah now. Everything is so well for the most part. This is just so tied to how connected people are too the performers that they want. And I know a lot of actors who are like listen. I don't, and my wife is one would like what a share too much on social media, because I want people to still believe that I can be these different characters and if they know too much about me angry than it's kind of hard to do that yet I should have believed in on the thing about words. Mass. I warrior tribe believed that if people take the picture, they d take part of their sole right, I wrote and I'm still should have been met.

Mine, sure extent. Sure I don't want anybody, knowing as I think it a go away right so yeah. That is the sort of the other thing. That's interesting. You say that too, because there is that, because we work in a business I mean listen in general. The world is not a controllable place, but this business in particular is tumultuous mercurial and we don't know and ebbs and flows, and so I think we do get superstitious, because if we just me feel like. We have some sense of control over our destinies, but you know in reality with wound, but we have increased the fact that we can enjoy what we're doing wrong doing just at tat moment. You're not figure out, what's gonna happen to a contagious, have no idea: how long did it take to free

figure that out seventy who was in my thirty's me yeah. I, like my mid midst charities. Maybe yeah, because you know like when you're a little kid. It really is all about you because you have to survive. People have to attend to you, then routine Andrews and again, it's still, you know like your developing. Your hormones are raging. Everything is about your world, then in your tweets, as you know, like people get involved, no thirty. They get kicked around my life a little bit. Nego! Ok! I know this isn't all about. Does all about me, but but learning how to have a healthy relationship with your ego and go I hear what you want me to do, but I'm not really gonna go that way, because I don't think that's healthy. That's

skills that you really have to learn how to do that. Don't even think I learned at it do yet because I think I think Now I learned Azure you get older and work more and more now I learned that, even though I think that's not right way, I my way is a better way It also learned that you gotta try everything so shall have two directors lover, and that's not what I had in mind. I won't say what you said, but I want to try it, so I won't do that till after I've tried it their way and then then I asked to try it my way. If there were just still doesn't feel like it,

with TAT right now, but I want just refuse a direction. I'll, try insure, has woken in her right and also could inspire you to have a whole other. I deliberately or and show them like all, this really doesn't work. Ok, let's try at the way we wanted to do it before, but that again that idea of collaboration in a business and in a culture which I think does tend to feed people. Being so like me me me me me yeah, you know you when you see people who continue to over and over and over again like yourself on so many great things, and I said the stick I send this to carry to carries, worked on a ton of stuff too. As it, you must be pretty cool to work with, because at a certain point you know like the business

like people want to work with people that are easy to work with the chosen one tat its literally like do they shop on time by they prepared? Are they perfect? Do they make ever one's job easier? And that is a that's a whole other elements as well and not too big element? I think unless you're a big sky and then they need you, you know enough to put up with being re things. I would guess unfortunate. I mean it's unfortunate than anybody. He needs to do that right in oak, as you are the gathered in the same old thing you know right, but but that that that happens and people get rehired cause you know brilliant and an end. Their name means a great deal on yeah. Do you still feel the same kind of

Hunger for roles. Are it's like all. I want to try this and I want to try this other thing or I still there's so much. I been oh yeah, yeah yeah, that's grandness, citizen praise I wanna do is I mean, for instance, going back Hunters what I'm doing here, the other centres. I went right from Kingly Schmidt playing Lillian, whose You know right out there and no editing process and if she thinks and feels something it's right at is happening. You know it's comes out of her mouth and it's happening so I went directly from that comedy comedy comedy to Hunter's, which is very dramatic and tuff stuff, a lot of it

there's humor. In fact, I think Al Pacino's the funniest character it even though he's also you know profound and everything, there's a humor there's a lot of wacky like almost comic book visuals and just like that. But the story of my character in my husband's character is extremely dark. We were in concert in camp during the harm caused to its AL and an end. The arm, sir. The story swings back and forth from those days of Hitler and Anne and then to New York in the seventies, where there is a group of people hunting Nazi.

Government brought over to work here, which is the true story than I did not know but want. I got hired and I started researching two tons of stuff. You can read it. There's a cot operation paper which are the stories, the true stories of of of what had then that we were competing with Russia to get the best scientists from from nazi scientists. To come over and work on the space program and other scientific things, and even in the White House, and so I don't think you're a group of nazi hunters like we are in the show, but there were Nazis, seize, take new names, new homes, new accents, new laws.

New and they all ear and they were paid by the government to be oh, my god, and so this is obviously this is that this group that opportunity sort of center abbe began. We just like weeding them out and transaction doing what you had to do there, while each of us for different reasons, because the group is very eclectic ie, eight you'll see when you see the hunters are still wildly active group of people. There must be fun for you, then, to be able to not do the same thing from Job Java Inter State, because what you really do wonder what I really don't want is to play the same character over and over again different name. You know different shell, but base. If we do the same thing right, oh boy, do I know I've never been lucky in that there is an happened right and also that gives you grew lodge. Everyone

as they don't go. Oh you know. Karel just does this. It's like, oh, my god. She can do anything. She do comedy in, but but that's also an interesting question that I have about when you're doing something like wicked, where you're doing the same show years yeah- and you still have to I mean at least, will stand up. If you get tired of a joke, you can just write another one. Are you ready for you, but when you, but you, but you have to show up here. Performances. Wasn't a wee. Hiv Aids shows a week and every show has two: you have to find some molecule of something that's new and fresh so that its fresh to the audience- and I like she's done this a lot. You know like this, a wet. What is that? That's a whole other muscle? Yes, but it's not the same. Is playing the same all over and over again, theoretically in different chose, whatever being type cast,

its pardon my training, you know too to be to allow for a spontaneity, even though you ve done it over and over and as you say, you ve really, owing to the audience you know to be, present and alive each show. Really. You know you can't just go: go out, saunter out and like be an automatic pilot. Where do I need you could do it, but that would be really not right in my opinion, right well and it shows a week. You know, there's gonna be performance is where you probably have a cold or you don't feel great, or you got some crappy news before the ship and you still have to like, should all out go guess I that take it in an and can put it into the dish, performance, yeah, ino, yeah, it's it's a

a discipline. I admire anybody who live unfriendly. Jonathan Freeman who's been on Thirdly, I think filling twenty years in all the different Disney shows, Now he's in the lad, and you know I know how that is just a physically fits. The stage is very hard on people. Physically Russia. They have some color rake stage, which and wicked on Broadway the stages rate which mean to tire up at the back and goes down. That the islands I can the set works better. That way, there's a perspective that way and but it is brutal on your body because she means said: frigid three hours you're on stage your crooked yeah entire body is crooked, afraid

yeah? You know, and you have to counter balance. That was a p2p. They have p2p people come like three times a week to make it The actual can go on. Oh my gosh yeah. I mean it is really interesting. What becoming ill? Isn't there? I think most people who are really familiar with ethnic away, its protect your professional pretenders, that's not hard, and then you know but on the other hand, like its incredibly emotion. We taxing in the amount of focus in the amount of energy in the physicality or or you have cloudy. Tax in your hunched over and you know like it really. The sacrifices people who enter yes said the other part of it to you,

are playing at the same time, you're playing different people so that those that give your getting. But in order to do it, it takes a lot at EU yeah. You know and do you the term. Are you a curious like in general? Is it what what sort of keeps you she's a curiosity. Is it sort of just you know each job new experience like what is it? What it? What have you sort of learned? this time in a sort of what keeps going young. Each job is a very, very different experience and you have to be very adaptable, and keep an open mind and really try, not to repeat ourselves turned to fall back on YO and yeah, and here too

thing you get to look into the eyes of these other people that are playing the other characters. You really are present in jam always present- goes nobody's perfect. I beg of you on the occasion set. You are, You get a lot coming back from your fellow actor, some more than others, but you get stuff and that really informs what you're doing here. Yeah. That's an interesting way to think about it too, because if you are caused living What can I get out of this in your focus on yourself in your immediately? Not a part of a collaborative process that would not be a good healthy way to proceed, but you actually do get the faint. You actually do get that back. When you give it out, there

Yes, at the same time I mean it's not like. I did a play on Tibet. Henley play, I love Bent Hamleys riding, and I did my first Beth handling planted five of hers. First one was with Holly Hunter awhile and you come and how they wish to delete. Islands are supporting character and you come on stage and look at a highly and you'd your job stuff. You know, because so much is coming at you in and in such a way that it makes you bad and then there are a lot of actors, not a lot, but there are actors like that that, if your fortunate enough to work with them, they will make you better. That's incredible well as were as were winding this down? We ve already this like this this hour, just sailed by here. I am king. I really hope you have

I stand because I agree so excited to meet you and I didn't want to get on the and mealy mouthed in flummery, because you are you really, one of those people that is so ingrained in so many of our hearts, because you know again, it's you you'd see you give a lot of credit alike. Will the writing was good in this, but you ve created these characters. You know I you're someone that if I hear your anything I was go. Oh my god, she's guy, that's just great! I'm excited because your your great to watch was standing kink in so what and this I've had an absolute blast talk. Do you, I'm just absorbing all these amazing stories about these things that I love. But what are you personal? joyful about and sort of what keeps you happy in what just some tips for people who have difficulty getting out of their own heads in life. I guess you know my

I still have my mother, I'm so like hey my mother little ninety three, your name is joy, Kane, she's, a composer his lot of material on you too, which is exquisite. Joy came she appearest, she's a penis composure and she has written seven teaching box and she has a peace, and God knows about snow. That is so beautiful. Breathtaking up your wife. I will and so having my mama having my dog, my beautiful will Johnny my friend. She know and turn a classic movies citizen Ray because all the things you're talking about those important life things and when we start out, I think we think it's all about our career, our job and that's our identity and then at a certain point. Hopefully we figure out, like that's great, but it's too it's the life stuff in the relationships.

Keep us another lucky enough to have you, no friends for forty. Some years. Sinners still very close to me and TAT is a great great You know, that's phenomena will I hope this biopsies play works out that gave the reading of I hope I get to come see you do something like a nearer view there. So thank you for being here. People should watch hunters, they should watch, I chaired scheming tomorrow, but certainly goes up it it'll be a sort of it will be up and available. We ve never seen anything like Jordan peels one of the producer. Yes, and so it's I'm, I'm really excited about it. They sent me a link, but I can't get it to work so idea, but I thought his watch it on others watch it with lambs on prime member shell care, like everyone else, cocaine any any. Last words of wisdom, Mama

I will not get something of my trap now. I just gave her to have been here. I think here just a lovely place. Thank you. I really appreciate that, Wayne Nugget ART. I happily accept that nodded I'll, be facing on that nugget for several weeks now you wanna go home. My wife is like you're being irritating. Will care of Karel came says, I'm Lightfoot, you can use I thank you very much. Thank you. Thank I intend incomplete.