Danai Gurira (The Walking Dead, Black Panther) chats with Chris about getting the role of Michonne on The Walking Dead, being a playwright and how she got into writing. She also talks about how she has shaped the character of Michonne, taking a clown class and getting the role of Okoye in Black Panther!
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was one that was made for universal studio. So it's not original, but it's terrifying here. This terrifying you like in his like.
Like screening room, and then you go up to the top of the stairs and she sitting up. Viktor, you collect anything. Oh God was an interesting question:
like a little tiny clutch bags, email made of cloth and kind of cool print night? Really sad
You know why, because woods difficult is that when you are a non stop
after the way you are, like wit, went where do you have time to like nest permanently in a play
and be able to fill it out with stuff. I know what I ve spent the last couple days with
in order that might organizer? I have been in my lap, my LAPD's for so long. I've just been Atlanta flat out, so I just spent two days with
just trying to and people crash of, my personal other denying you they're like Rushworth among you know that people are part of a law that are not me and I hope I windows. I ok, I don't even know whose appointment, as is like, I recognise like I guess, he's really.
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and cleanse and get so many things reorganized, and so that's happened during the last few days and I ve got buckets like just stuff. That's gonna goodwill, and you know you have a point.
Says for getting rid of stuff. Well, you know because my organizers great cause she kind of taught me how to do it. So I can do a lot of about myself now, like I can just look at eleven, my wardrobe and I'd. Like I dont like that, I'm looking at clothes, I never where I don't like that red. They are not meant to be mine. Any fat like Tasmanian Devil nice not do that. I used to be very
like the! U now God bless her, but like my mom, whereas I give you hold onto figs you'll over before, do you hold on? I let it unlike it feel so good to let go of stuff. It is amazing how much you will tell yourself well someday I bought
no matter how weird thing is: yes
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if you haven't use them in five.
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well that's what I stains on the problem is emotion like when you were devotion itself, when you put too much emotion into stuff and an organizer has
motion about any of your exactly exactly impaired. We were to use us now. You don't need to have the second one is less em. You touch this thing well, but I look at it
I know it's there. I like knowing its there. I, like you, don't know where get somebody else like he's like she's great, like that you just so now
have her in my system. You start to get it like. It becomes a little infectious goodness and
though I could serve, do quite a bit by myself, but she came
and now we got really into it. This is good
recording by the way casino. Does you know this? We already started away figured yet because it just feels.
To go. It is now time to start be conversation. Someone put something I better put myself together.
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and always I had so much fun-
So you get that up to that view about the youth going getting caught by the you know, the gods,
damned yes, yes, you are so they went up. That was how long I was
overtaken by the power of bars. Zest just be became possess, it was really cool. There was-
rock you know AMC they did the part of the night before they Dvds
is tat. They had a yacht rock band, the next night men, both experiences were,
fantastic there really good pigs will really
Dixon. There's, although even know I knew from the beef issues like I don't know
and I knew that on line the sons. Well, french writer, still gotta by the way
overall, I can still can do the Frenchman was awesome. I would also like I wasn't there exactly why one of you when I grow up, I we oughta hey. All of these guys are really doesn't have those like they're just having so much fun, yes, also in it there like they have their own energy, each one of them at a very just, distinct energy. Yes, yes, they have a visit. There still do there. Thank you rose is really kind of inspiring to watch them jam spreadsheet or any Wilson and Kate Pearson, and you know they were like a pole ban.
It happened in georgia-
right from the start. In the seventies and in the eighties,
super of kind of punk alternative, almost surf rock kind of vibe.
And then in the nineties, they came out with this. Album cosmic thing, which you know back that was up here,
like tat. Those are all the songs they arrive or those in the ninety. That was in the night. There was a lady lady, these, but it but nineties the early nineties when
I really like exploded for them, but it but I've always. I was always fascinated by that story of
You never know where your career is going to go you as long as you're willing to adapt and do things that are exciting and try things you know like they just went from this punk band. To you know, hopefully being
for life to be able to keep do whatever they want, what their songs are still very, very well known and out there. I've heard theirs
the lights. It s really cool, but the older songs and work is there not. So you know like the news that the more the nineties ones were more.
Cook driven and the older ones are so they're kind of performance, pc performance pieces and erosion loved Eleazer. This is cool. This is like rocking. Our picture, showed us exactly right, leg and suggesting that would mean a artists are having a real good blast. You know they're not on please nobody river. Where were you ever know? Surely I did it. I wasn't,
Capella group when I was in high school and we'd sing like different little events and things not really fairly singing we'd sing. It like school events like island in Zimbabwe is very like singles
schools, silent and all girl school. But then there were two all boys schools that we are really close to and mean interacted with a lot
and so it was us- oh no. Actually he was from the other, all boy school, but he was a brother one, the girls from my
So there is a little group of us in creating this little bit.
Will we be seeing covers obviously of like you know,
boys to man and what not meet harmonise, and you know,
No, I don't think so. I think we just went around and sang in different places like little lumm events and stuff. I was
should the weakest link by far and this one time I actually mailed it and did a good job ever there was one of them
came up to me. They always really. There is everything to me about it every day. He order then came up to me. They said I got tonight you actually
he did it today. You will be on its
before I get to know you the more. I think the boar I'd, because I just have this picture of you, like oh denied, any
Can I give you any artistic thing right now? She could she can direct and sing
Should we don't ever than I ve got
I don't have any moves and, like that's, not true moves. We have some evidence of your nobody. You it's a boom boom with a comedy move now zoo ivy, like I can't dad's. If I give the if, if it hits me right, you not, I mean, like I can't like when I was hanging out with my folks from black Panther. We go dancing stubs Abbe like ok. Ok,
around I'm getting there, I'm gettin there, but I got a warm up into a condom around these amazing dancer that you'd over the Ladys were like are my door. Malagigi army are half of them are dancers. Viewed ivy did the other half justino rhythm Britain, Madame rhythmically, blessed or whatever, and, like you know,
He doesn't astounding dancer and we're all some sort of getting there. I'm sort of like a cabinet of catches
I don't have maybe twenty minute that agenda slips away. Then I get it back. You know the ebony flock. I wanted to stay at. I left for this
Reason which, as you know, I started getting like tonight as last year, like going to allow things might years, would ring for weeks at a time ass, bad ass, not five, no, and so at a certain point. It out like shit, I should have brought. I should have brought here plugs like at all, but now it's real. It's real. I've had the earring thing to not for weeks Alan caught, but I've had a snow.
Oh yeah. Now we understand ok, good. We did understand homer, sad to see common Domingo US
common domain. Wondering now will be replaced by the musical. Besides, I did ass extreme stew. Oh my god, you can't you get you can't. Even you can't do anything, but just repeat, and in imitate that man he's
it is that it calls another like super, talented guy, that any dancing here any act things and he gets as any dances and he's also just so lovely here. He revellers, just a lovely asea loveliest vehicles
send him away with a vacation. Last year we had a group of people carbon. We had been my wife, my wife's family has.
Ranch that we want to. We need to come to compare and let's call with their just so sweet and they are- and it's a larger thing about. I don't know what it is about. The walking dead university
regular, but it was really nice. Like nice is just like a nice group feels like having used everywhere, I mean it. I can't imagine is different and other places. I think it is different and other places I do, but maybe it's maybe
Some of it is also besides the fact that everyone just seems pretty cool
I would imagine when you're, just not now Atlantis becoming like a real, yes,
a real entertainment hub will want to have started? It was tat, was just kind of creeping in, and so just imagine is like you're, the middle of Georgia you're all their together, rapidly want to figure out how to all you know like hang out before.
Because Europe isolated from
As to the world, I mean, maybe I mean I think I think you know I wasn't there at the very beginning, but I think it was this beautiful thing about these really fantastic actors that were or picked in the beginning. I think they ve set they set up there too.
The foundation, this sort of the sort of then I wash it when I was. I finally had to watch it when our dishing, for example, here to stuff, so I wash it. I just felt that I felt very particular energy. I felt the spirit of the thing is my com teacher would say, and it is the spirit of the thing was. It was just right. They were there for the work and they were giving their all the work. Kind of like great. You know, like great theatre,
Yes, you feel that thing and then you want be like I was part of that like but, like I wasn't supply
to me that they were all amazing people and that it was like really nice grounded people, because you can sort of feel at yes, I how they approached the work. It was so committee.
And generous and and just them alive in a way that their just felt like it was coming from a humble place, and I think that that and then, of course, having Andy Lincoln, be who he is kind of, like kind of the kindest hunters, kindest, hearted person, I've ever come across in my life. I think that and the most you know, grounded at the same time. I think, of course you know, he's the leading men, others think them. I do think we have the best leading mountains
it's. I do it's pretty great, but that that sees that season. Two finale the Michel reveal with the pets in the shadow, like you know, where we're in
down on the ground and then Michel bigots, I'm observer the convicts and that was legitimately jumped at the council.
Holy shit. Mediocre was voted out loud. That doesn't mean. I don't think I know you know I got cast after that and will actually I got cast after they shot that, but before they carried it got it. So
what they did was they the weekend there.
They had to cast whom issue weaken. That aired, because now I wish she was introduced so that you know they would have shot that in November, but it aired unlike March April, and so
I was on your show, where it basically Kirk men and
then I shall runner glimmers are we're like and
Miss shown, is yes and they were with their therewith. Lorry holding, and that was kind of when I was just
only been cast on Friday night
now a Sunday.
This is about was a stunt double! That's why you didn't,
big reason, wait and see her face. Wore I'd never occurred to me. I just thought it was for dramatic effect,
told you work out of those are my where I was so smart and what it would limit. Recent news you'll see the with a strange way that we will introduce you on Sunday watch the sheriff I learnt our budget do with you. That's whole there
I learn who I was with you and, of course, can you even back then you know that was
like five years ago now, but she almost sixty,
for example, for just the idea was. It was weird when you, when you heard about what talking that was
we like what it's weird. Why would someone talk about what the fuck you like? What is this is this then we will have to take seriously their like their leg. Had like you too.
This were there get everything like if you have any
of on line, presents likes. Let's say a match profile: origin, many rid of it before Friday, only started shooting in April, not that I had anything I'm shooting in April and there are like, while talking dead, like talking dead,
What's so silly worthily, wouldn't I gotta start with a bubble. One episode, and I will I watch, of course that episode and I was like I'm looking at you. It is again it s, got a dark with it very much. It makes perfect sense
so much you know you wanna email, Jude S, income in the park as I was. I was so excited to have two because as a crime,
Are you do so many different types of things and end there,
A very big things to manage between. You know: walking dead, black panther, but also being a playwright and writing this Tony award winning play. That repeated was in I mean it it it's it! I'm interested.
Find out how your brain compartmentalize as and where you have how you're sort of diverting you
advantage because all of those things require an immense amount of focusing and creative energy saving, I'm still figuring out. But I guess it's like God, you too
you do about four thousand things yourself. I do, but I don't I don't write but right, but I, but when someone, but what are you like play? Radical? Ah fuck, that's a big one. You know it's it's. It is it's hard. Sometimes I actually like right now. There are interesting. What am I please in DC, and I will be anywhere habitual with you- went out in its debt of ribbon uplink, okay, so in that scene, I really think you should think about tat,
think the director or like a pipe ago, thereby but yeah it is. This is like they're, your there really like yours.
Children. So it's
and you spend a long time creating them. So it's hard to just let them go. I mean I, I have a series of part time jobs that all come together to form a full time job, but
but a show like the walking dead in that cat, that single camera schedule words like well one day you can chew from three p m to six p m or nine p M
eleven a m. You just don't know what you're scared was gonna, be anything especially show like this, which is not light. Fair. Your parents to almost
constantly emotional, almost constantly swinging catana running around that it, the Jew that that drain it just feeling. How do you have any energy left to do anything I mean
the drive in it all is sometimes like I have to like you just you know you used like. I have to get that done like I have to complete that thing like for me. It's like, I cannot have started something and not finish it
and if it something that like with plays, if they just might play ideas, they just sit on me like a wheat and there, like hello,
and then I don't u, but enough to get theatres involves and then there are like, and so that's great actually could. Then there you're being pushed to the finish line, and then you have you know that they want to cast
one. You know they want to put it in the sea being any. They need. A first draft electorates develop this. Let's get going. Let's do this. When are you free
and all of a sudden years, it's like you're on a train of collaboration and that that's a big part of it as well buttons, also because
My last point was probably the hardest one I've ever written, and it was basically inspired by my family, ironically,
and it was very difficult to right, I think- is weak.
Had so much story, and I had to find a way to make it muscular and it was very difficult, like it took me a couple years like up above one one production in by the end of the by the day before the programme of the second production. I I think I'd be found what I called its David, which is sort of like this.
That was said actually by this very capacity which is kind of like you know, with Michelangelo he.
This huge you, no piece of marble
other David inside yeah, but even this it? How did you get to the date? How did you make that and he's like? I just chipped away everything that wasn't the David O, my god and
like that was kind of my whole thing, those driving me to get to the two getting my play to the place where all the stuff that wasn't it was chipped away in the problem of places that the they started.
Whom you and take over you and say I am the telling you what the
worry is now, and you have to invest in me deeply enough for free for you to hear what you re. So it is in. That was a real mother of a journey because it was like police about family. I noticed,
we so well. I know some of you the story so well. How can I- but it was like so interesting that that was a kind of the trickiest birth
It's really hard when you're really close to stuff, because it it starts that when you're super close the stuff you kind of dont know like
am I to emotional about this. Are people can understand this? How am I is this? The right drive the right person,
demand these guys. Don't have that third person perspective on stuff. It's at close to you. I am that's when that's in the collaborators, that's when they all come in and they let you know-
it's like the climate organizers rights. They have never future away badly exactly and thereby make me the greatest thing. One of the reasons the directors ever said to me was Emily man, she's she's, also a player
That's really helpful. That should apply in the director and she's ahead of them, Carta, theater and with mice third play
the convict she said to me cause
sort of flailing in a lot of too much collaboration. Gudgeon can happen when giving too many voices to many opinions in the room and
said the best thing to me ever. She said only it wasn't she she love
but it wasn't there wasn't where it needs to be. The David had not been shipped out a kind of a Dave Inexact, and you know yet a bit of a population have had already know anyhow all around and though she said to me
She said to me only you know how this play. It works and the monthly that's just south such a simple thing to hear. But it's that reminder that you have to birth. This thing and I think, when I realized that, like gonna hear what I heard that cut everybody out and then I cut out the time. That's the thing I guess to answer. Your question is like cutting out the time to be like I've heard everybody thoughts, and now I have to figure out how this engine works, you know and and how to get it to the place where
is its own David, whatever that is right, and- and so that's when you just get driven like I remember like writing. A very is very kind of to me is very controversial monologues like, but somebody else finding like the lexicon of this law,
world. I was hearing here. You know it sounds spooky, but it's real. Like you start here the characters. You start you stop forcing them to speak. They started
and then you sort of start and now they collect three in the morning and suddenly I had this gush you gotta mean so wants us to start taking over you kind of a kind of insists on making room for it right. You know, and it's it's meant. It become harder and harder to write our life, as things have gotten
more intense with other parts of my life right, and so it is about like creating what some call
will of life like where, where do you make short fits like road, you make sure and the great things I haven't very vibrant and insistent theatre community.
Like, so you wanted to do reading of that place because you're thinking about adapting its we're thinking MID February, you know like in their on you and it's great because in its like, this is this route that keeps that engine going and you make space for sure. You know that a one it's a community, it takes a village, basically basically takes a village there's a great does. A great women's retreat off the coast of of Seattle called
hedge pockets for women, writers and its copies cute little like hands
Gretel looking, I cottages and everyone has their own cottage and then they go into the main house for dinner together in and they get. We have little baskets league. You know they able to give a gallic food.
Organic garden. You put you love luncheon, your basket, you go over to your cottage and right and so on
invited me to come back there for March, and I know I'll get a ton done, but there you know, that's when you your village,
comes to you and reminds you you know, and some of them are really unimpressed about my acting they're, just like they're, like you're playwright right, so
done with a zombie thing here in common
you play right all the address up aware like what I know the weird and the sword. It's fine she made me.
A very hadn't dictators with you're still doing writer.
Europe play right, you don't like they remind you what you are. I mean it's pretty highbrow, it isn t highbrow, but you know also because you
you're worth we're that movie or television shows like you. You know that they know what they want, but they shoot a bunch of stuff. Whatever words they don't cut it out, but but with a play it really with any kind of high performance. You really is kind of a company
with the audience you have you any idea in your head. I imagine that you go. I think this is how this works menu put in front of people to go the audience. Doesn't this
I really think that town words, so do you listen to the audience of our relationship with them or an added appropriately, or do you go now? This is what it is.
You, don't get front of an audience for a long time. Your audience, our people that are pretty safe and I'm gonna writer have you. You know for a long time, you're a long time it in
people that are pretty safe and I'm gonna write a review. You know for a long time, you're you're you're, watching it in front of you know
watching other people. Listen to. It
the table and in in development processes like with my last play, I mean I did five six workshops of it. You know,
EAST amend the you know and then, of course there is the the rehearsal process, and so that were also you hear a lot and think a lot. But I run it what's funny. Is that last play yeah? I bet you do kind of sit and watch on first previews because you have about, depending on the theatre, you can have ten to twenty previews were yours you I can still be tweaking a script and having audiences at night, and the previous only stop once, of course,
this comes, and so I you know you can sit and of watch and see how people are going
bond to it, and then you know or with how the responding summing up something isn't making sense. You, like does make sense. Let me go think about that and we think that can clear upwards.
Set off somebody, and you know my last play was like right up until the last a preview.
This woman, I really love caesium, associate head of the public Theater New York, Mandy hack it and she came out. Ok breakdown, she's amazing. She was I
This was a bit of a red hangar herring, and this is why, and how like,
I get on the phone online guys. We need that rehearsal. We had two hours left over her thought. We had two hours low by other before they are like normal rehearsals. Now the plays open and I was like any those two hours. I know you said we didn't either to us. I need the two hours and my director
we need the two hours. I need to put these things in a move like you goes right to the end of the year, a good note and I'm not gonna, ignore and I'm not one of those folks. I totally and I do it with my acting. Do I get a good note on acting in a great idea like, oh, my god, thank you and I'll I'll. Do it like? I mean all go into finding that you not, I mean so I am not one of those. Are you ever
be in one of your place. You know my first play was a two hands that echo created and grad School Minnesota rolled into the sort of off Broadway hit, but became his thing. We're Michael creators
Am I the course alter? She was someone I wasn't grad school with and in my class, and so we basically had two. We became the face and the writers of the show and so
We were we're off Broadway for a long time. Then we can all these theatres
like slaughter this into their year so or the seasons we're all over there. Then we are in Europe and we were in Africa and we're back with states from more than we were back now. Then they wanted this back to do another. We like. I said. Ok, though, that we wrote this actually for other black girls to have something to pick up and do, and
You don't want to be the only ones doing it right or left some other girls do it. You know there was about like the issue of two women in totally different cases, one here in LOS Angeles, where she's from
and one in end Zimbabwe, where I am from the weekend, like my characters like married with kid in a news, castor, her care, her character was kind of a tricky team and they both find out they. Never
for they will find out. They have HIV in the May, have to navigate the weekend of just before diagnosis to just before the first tempted to attempt to disclose
So if we take the view that by playing a bunch of characters, so yeah
We kind of got branded a bit for doing that, because it was a very you know. It was a very particular type of performance piece which was full of kind of laughter and tears and everything you and
Oh you know, it was a sword became the stable. They thought. No. These two women are the only two who can do these roles. I was doing the much care a character is out of some Bob wishes during a bunch character that away and those like no known and out. Please we're done, take it. Let other people do it yet, and so that's the only time- and after that I said, I'm gonna, be
with playwright who sits in watches, make sure it's all good sees opening night feels good dozen
right or whatever. You know and then knows that, what's going on every night, it I dont have to be there, but it's going on, but I did all the birds when two years and now I let people enjoy performing, it is any part of what you're writing do you feel a responsibility to create the types of roles that you don't see. Absolutely I mean that's. Why that's why?
in writing, I was is really was necessity being the month mother of invention, like I couldn't
like you know, as a black or from Zimbabwe and UNESCO from monologues, and things like that. My first, please, all monologue in the continuum is: is these two characters talking to people that you can't see,
you I mean so its weak. I dont like MOT likes lives, not like soliloquy model logging, I'm not more Shakespeare, but it's like
What have you no monologues where, if I kind of mano dialogue, sure- and you know that one of the cruellest things I've I've experienced was when the first
I'm. A girl came up to me and said I used a monologue from in the continued to get to Julia ART or like, and I like that that was the point like that was the point, because I couldn't find things to get up and and and perform that were that connected to anything culturally specific to me,
and it was very hard to find that, and so it was like. I know this is not just hard for me and those are a lot of girls and you know as much as I am
Door, Shakespeare and
Molly air and you know Chekhov, and you know all of you know,
amazing Shaw. I love those. You know. I love
dead. Why do I do? I really do, though, by like you know in and even the modern guys, but it's it's it's that thing where you're China feeds like I want these. I want girls, we'll pick up stuff that daylight. Ok, this feels close to me right now, and that was really. Why start writing and is? It was a kind of answer when I guess technically computer like you're sort of her employer in one sense, but then
HO stars in back there? At the same time, liquor you I'm not an employer of unemployment, Peter what Lupi you wrote a play. You the plainly tat she was in the euro, which got nominated for
all six but it's. Ok, you want
no one was now. He has our amazing, the cliff costume designer he one and then
then there were three acting nominations director and best play.
I'm sorry. I know I mean yeah, that was
here s blessing
She was. She had been at Yale when it was first done at Yale in two thousand and nine
ye. Has this thing with her Emma students under study the due to the plays in the big production house?
and so she had under studied the role she ended up playing six
years later on Broadway, I know and she does love the play. We all became bodies from men and I'd known her. I met her briefly before and very funny because I went to Tisch Armitage girl, but I've done, like almost all my place have been
produced. It ideal session a lot of time at you and I was commissioned by them, etc. Fibre, so that people will be will think. I would deal I make no. I wanted to show like me for their very close, their competitive with each other, and so you know tissue
The thing is: Tisch lost, its master. Acting teacher on then lose to Yale, for they came in
dangled something before and and so she was then just about to go into great
school and she auditioned, and they all were like this chick as luminous, so they are fighting for her like the girl, was mine,
so then. Basically very, do you know exactly what I'm talking about? I pictured the airport
Obviously we wondered if not yet even wonder. Lightbulbs angle, Michael Jackson,
yeah they emanate. I really have a fully I just didn't you see that the doktor who said doggone was a good word for a song. It's not a great exactly these. Nobody seems to be considering what the girl, once a picture above a bit fighting for its like their vote, holding her arm like this. He had to say
the body, so yeah, that's that's kind of what was going on and they D called in all the attack was going hard. They called in all the african alone and he's a doctor, and, as our
we're talking earn as it, what do you want? She's like? Why did I one do you? I wouldn't do something you do do business with other than gotta take different. I do like those Tisch Advert, so hilarious, but
listen to music and listened without ok at its meeting this isn't it you never get back to our eyes easy song. I really think she's gonna have a future she'll, be all right, translation. She might be fine, she's gonna be ok. You know I mean it is, if you know, come from a theatre background and then, even though you said like me, you're the player communities like you're, a playwright, this the theater. But if you like, you know walking dead black Panthers superheroes genre disorder, it is very theatrical in a sense
it s true it does. It does seem like it's true, even though them, even though the mediums are different, does sort of feed.
There is a certain spiritual aspect. That's very you know very of that kind of theatre.
That's very true and ended. It's been great because I mean I've been able to the people. I've worked around, have really amazing storytelling abilities and focuses they're not trying to make something
like skimming by the China, India, China go deep. The China tell serious like deep real story, the sort of story that last and stays and
you know, resonates and all about em dumb. That's it. I've been able experience with like rain and with dino dimple. You know they ve really are anchoring real storytelling really
four way so and it's true I mean there is something you know that epic nests of those types of John rose there is something you know it's do you have to. There is something the actual about. I've never thought about that. But did you know you because you're doing have, because we also have to take this thing. That
Dorothy around me looks very far fetched right, but there's still another humanity in theirs in here gay and that's what I have to convey yea you have to and that's what I love
to an audience ago. I know everything around me looks very far fetched right, but there's still another manatee in theirs in here gay and that's what I have to convey yea you have to imagine I loved when I watched you know when I watch the walking dead and then, when I watch my movies like
you, know, there's something so grounded in something
very real and rich
surrounded by these epic components in earlier, and and that's that's where you have to start like that's told you, what you have to start is the truth of the thing you know finding the truth of the thing, because otherwise, what are you doing? What do you do if you care, if you keep
begging your headings like going it's there, but I do not see in it yet in what context in any context like if you weren't favorites, writing Europe acting or fear
you know of your. If there's a senior there's something and you just can't get to you know like I, I have an idea of what this is, but I still don't know what the ultimate truth of this thing is. How do I get them?
such a grass. Well, two things. Will it? If you don't owe me I'd, have the idea of the ultimate shoot I tend to go to the writer cause, I'm kind of those people who, like, I believe, whatever
to be known, is in the hands of the writer because their birthing, the narrative, and so because I think that that's where everyone should come into China forgot my play.
What do you do? I see where this is gone, but but I does right to do so like I will go and spend a lot of time with the writer S. Mental models have I'm like our text can polemic, I'm not sure what this is me out, and he always does like that. I'm like, or you know, you know, of course, working very collaboratively with crying over over black panther. You know very.
Lee, collaborating and an understanding what the story wasn't what we're getting out so like that, that's one of the key things that I have to do our twin time. Understandably intent. Then, if I still need to get there
I mean they're few ways, but
one of them a you know before it gets a little desperate because it can get desperate vary, but one of the ways
this finding your as, if the same acting. So what is that thing that the state is that high for your character? What what would be the equivalent of that for you or for something that you feel would makes really resonates for you, whatever? It is messy that use whatever you, gotta use, but you're, trying to allow your character to have it trying to connect to the emotional life your character is experiencing at the at the stakes it has experienced that their experiencing it, so whatever it takes to get to
place. Tat is what you employ. My beast of lady, like TAT, gradually imagined tat happening to some, so you know whatever like you and you have to go for the character. It's like it doesn't matter what early on and walking dead. I remember I said something to you about like machines very even and she seems it
from this one place. You're like she's,
she's? Emotional? Just stop! That's just not like you simply would not put. Sheep
and then and then she very much evolve like you started to see all the stuff that you are talking about early on, but it seemed like in the beginning. You wanted to get their faster than the show wanted her to get what they did
Did you talk? I'm a talker and I talk good meet a pretty. So why can't you talk? You know, but it was it was that what was cause when I did so with her voice was so different from mine. When I, when I really would come into her epic, national and her voice, shouted open up in the beginning, it was kind of this lower raspy they, who is that, like it, was just use a different chick from me and, like my sister, was like this one moment you had in this time of the whole season. Three sectors is one moment. Why saw you because one tiny moment now,
that's what good then wrote a bit like if that, if you don't mind since you didn't see me for an entire caesar,
other chick, that's good. I was working against how done I would want to express things right on my abbe like ok, so there's this do cause problems
the rule is that you're gonna be like. I would have liked. I would have like than she doesn't do. Then she wouldn't do that. You know she was very party,
yeah, and it was very interesting to find that it is frustrating because some people, not you,
but some people sovereign nuances early, but other
but like it was like they're there
there was that some, like some people say to me, you can see these moments where she's she's she's cracking than she's, putting it back and that kind of having their times worry. I would do takes where I would.
Crack all the way and then they will use that right and it was like I could sort of see what they were doing. They were preserving mad for
friend, time period re when she would like open up right and wasn't the time, but for me how
I wanted is like right here, real good but leg. You know that
good. I mean it was good, ultimately for her arc, that she was that guarded and cut off, and you know there was There- was a lot of rage going on inside her and in the rage was just hurt. Sure
but you know in that, caused her to to be someone who is really and is also from fear. I don't want to open up. I open up and I'm stuck with that for the rest of you know, dealing with pieces, so they'll she was cut off or reason, and so, but that was frustrating is frustrating, but it was right. It was very right for her and I also want to save it being in the moderating. The black Panther panel. Comecon was what you know I have a handful of more. There are like all comecon is always one for me, but there's a handful of lake.
Those really stand out moments ago, and I was there when this happened like when they get over the announced that members Superman people should their pants when they announced. You know dead, poor people, ass, a fucking minds and black Panther, when the footage played was one of the craziest,
I've ever seen, Hall H get did extent were because what I
no is that any of you have seen the footage, not unlike challenges ahead so, like we ve seen this yet yeah. So when you has watched it, s like the chairs got knocked over and you guys were fully
being now all age absorb that energy and just how fantastic the movie looks, that's always a moment for the audience who is like.
They want a likes. You know like a really they wanna like stuff. You know not everything.
Knock it out of the park. So there's always that like high wire act and then when it works in the audience, is extra grateful like.
And that was that moment from land from the last last summer. The air I mean it's yours is even more than that. I had a couple of the Marvel execs recent were telling me later that they were this woman really pushed her way into watching it, because she could getting into panic those full and and
Satellite right? Next to them, she sat on the floor because she couldn't she was. It was full and they said that when, when they she was,
from the footage they just watch her and she was like shaking and crying and hugging them afterwards and lived this realization that
There is once again that thing where there is a hunger for this type of of of of representation. That I think is also hit something very alive and people, and- and I felt that in that in that haulage it was pretty astounding that experience. It was probably my most member experience COMECON. It was in
you're, amazing and rewrite Cougar who turns out is an incredibly nice guy. Oh he's me
thank you so sweet, but that type of it so interesting to see him do this kind of low because he's a very intimate director, yes and the intimate storytelling.
The scale of this movie is so grand. Yes, yes, but he said he he created from the place of intimate storytelling here.
Aid from a place of really understanding the logic of this world and the specifics of you know.
Were these people are as a towards each other and who do this in a what this world comprises, how it's the history of it and and the tensions of the past and the tensions of the present day
all very intimate you know, and then a rounded is: does these epic elements that were just that he really figured out a great you deal with.
See him talking, human, the amazing set designer.
I mean no than the amazing with quarters the caution designer you see. You see how they talk about how they figured out all the components of this world with them to put them to light, is very intimate. Understandings of how up people would work you know
It actually came from that same place for him. We should, I think, why so cohesive and so absorbed so fast. When people see it, they cannot get, they get a lot very quickly. Be growth like it was so rooted in something very intimately designed wasn't like. Let's make something shall we know it was like, let's make something really deeply connected to a very specific people that was attractive to me. Of course, the drift audition for this
because they feel like you could have, unlike probably issue, and you really hard I now. How do we do, however, have anything like bad feeling about ready trained more than most actors on how to do this? You don't know knelt, as you question
No, I wasn't thing you like that, but no, I did not addition now. What happened? Was he didn't in a right? It never wash locking
still a few people out there that haven't seen he. He is brothers, a big fan, the he'd never watched. He watched me in
Sundance same year as football came out now that a lot of panels and stuff with with Michael Be- and I never met Ryan though, but I just loved him. I loved I loved him.
That he clean this beautiful, amazing film right out of school, and I just love success stories and he
but he had seen me in a form that I was the lead in called mother of George, that same year and that's what he said. I gotta work with her. I read in the five years later I get this
you haven't offer for a marble movie other work or work like I didn't believe them at all. What I told you, the NATO clips open, I totally thought my manager was was was bs. I mean
it is in saying that you didn't you, you have your two characters. Now that are a permanent fixture in. You will always have missed,
in your life and you will always have a clear in your life because, especially with the
new stuff that'll get in future,
Disneyland and they'll be all sorts of staff and that these two very powerful universes you ve never been cemented in and that as a fan that is
kind of amazing. I mean I'm amazed by it. I'm just I'm very thankful, for you know I'm very blessed by it. I just don't even- and I mean I don't. I tell you like- I tell you, I would never have thought of this for myself, like I would never have said
you Know- and I start acting professionally. I finish this empathy, I'm gonna get to be you I mean I I never would have met.
This is where I would have been allowed to come to when I ve never know. Where, were you really do and as it that's a real like when you put it like just how you put it it's such a testament to that, but I mean
exciting that I, like the I'm, so excited for for Black Heather, in the sense that you know there's just so much about it. That's just so universal and I'm a set of people to see it. You know and to sort of experience that, but I also think there's that that component
that you know I was just in Zimbabwe and South Africa like two weeks ago and they are so excited for this movie and that was really touching on too
home and see that sort of excitement- and you realize yeah Wall Africa's never had like an epic story, told the scale thrives than that excitement
so much sense and dumb I was at my place. I have my loom nonprofit, we ever playwrights,
friends and- and I was sitting in one of the rooms watching of playwrights workshop and to act
he's got up and
We then had the big cap caps it to me.
Cause shield on her shirt gives up. Energy has the dismal
several hundred decent with like the like four little legs
eyes, like you, know the hulk,
Iron Madame
I had you know Thor. Ours is like everyone about the fact that more like marble is big in my country. You, like I'd, never even thought about. Let's big everywhere mean it, but if it's just the idea to, is that giving kids do you know what a character to look up to role models, to look up to the road or I'll, just the same type of person,
Is really important like kin? Every kid deserves to know that they can. You note, do whatever they can dream that they will
do or aspire to achieve whatever areas. I very much want to so yes aware where it like that, besides the fact good movies are so fun, I really do believe that it's not frivolous. These movies renounce you have
important cultural place them in a desert, em with wonder woman s and, as you know like it, that that that currency is very
valuable, because it really does inspire kids in a world where you know if
a lot of time on mine can be a very toxic and not yet gone just foregoing less. Yes, you need that you still need. We do definitely still need these epoch. Iraq story is told untold from various perspective,
I think that so real and and very very true
it's, it's you don't even realize you're acting in them the impact that they're having until
You know that the women girls of comfort me of a concerning the shown you know, and I the things that they ve told me that you know they garnered from her strength. They gonerdo ways these tangled specific
situations based on that. You realise how important representation is of show
various various types of people doing various things and at the same time,
No, it isn't even about you know it's it's new people who don't look a thing like you who are telling you how sure they were inspired by your character so that I think that so beautiful, so beautiful, tat, storytelling as a whole to it totally can break barriers, especially if you do, if you story tell her like courageously and not falling into like typical patterns, but really courageous, storytelling,
which I think is told me. This is what we see a lot and marvel storytelling and we see, I think differently and black Panther.
What you know you see in the walking dead man. I've just been thankful to be a part of courageous storytelling. You may not know the answer to this year because maybe some time has passed but have
being involved in this scale in this type of storytelling. Has it affected your writing at all in the types of stories that you want to tell? Has it has it blood into that at all? Or do you keep that pretty you feel it keep it pretty separate
and I don't mean so literally like I'm gonna do a superhero play, but I just mean like the time we're gonna fly, it
yeah? No, I think, that's an interesting question, its various
in question, and you know that
I'm swear like eight when I think about the walking dead people always say you are right and so do the one contained in amendment. No, not really not. Really. I don't, I think, for people writing it,
are the ones who should be writing you know,
You know there's a place. I have a place as an actor and places writers. Amounts of place have arisen as a writer and that's where my primary places
and yet I will definitely get into the beauty of of what I do. What I got to do with the working day and when I got to do with with my family was, I can go and talk to the writer and an challenge them even you know and have real deep conversations about does make say: ok, but but how about
but what happened- and I don't know if you know I mean you can have as conversations and their total ease their awesome artists and so their great to collaborate with an almost always are
and so and unlike and I'm like this is not the story- I was meant Bert. So I never feel like I meant to be birthing in, but I know my what my role is to collaborate and to bring it to life through me as an actor. But I'm
waiting. You question because I think you may know that you're gonna make you because my writing sometimes writing. I think of it. I think great. I was just talking to myself today about this. I think I do talk. I think.
The greatest stories that had been told have been told
an epic way, even if they were about very ordinary people, you think of death, definite death of a salesman or you think of all of August horses place, or you know you think of plays about very ordinary people, but the impact
of how there's like August, also how things the king of this, like literally he'll, take these folks black folks poor in, like you, know the Hood of Pittsburgh, and he finds a way he. Those characters are epic. They are iconic and they're taking you threw them the most grand arc of story you'll ever be taken through, and your decision on a corner
Pittsburgh with them, you know like so to me. That's kind of the thing that I still pursue is like. How do I too? How do I flip it? How do I make it so your ear watching you know, unlike in the case of the cliffs, your watch-
five chicks in a war zone, but you know what you're thinking these out. These are statistics am
really watching statistics, but by the end of the play you weren't watching statistics, you can't forget those checks and so that that's that's kind of thing I saw I still gonna go for, I think, but watching.
What I have learnt is. I definitely am and want start writing for the screen and I think watching. I really do think that there has been a path.
That I've been on. Not even of my entirely of my making that involved a great apprenticeship coming from being,
So many sets, but not having to help the sad right right. When I write so I've learned so much and I'm feeling
like I'm almost I'm just about ready, I mean there's its
There are so many exciting things that you're going to do it he eats and and all and every time something.
Whenever the water level raises in one area, just like everything else elevates so it's it's. I'm excited to watch you as a creator
so I think you know you have this amazing. You know this incredible, acting career that is just beginning to unfold and at the same time, and in parallel
this you know. Continuation of amazing writing. Career is gonna, continue unfold, involve across different platforms and and and if in another,
in a weird wait. Almost like you got to this point, and your just beginning now
now you are starting. Doesn't do you feel that way or do you feel like two weeks on a beach
No! No! I I totally thank you and I totally see what you're saying I see what you mean, and there is is interesting. Is that good, I think back? I will get some of some picture
I've made me as a kid like today's various reasons, and
and I'll see constrictions. I owe my gas like it's it's it, but you see the point. I see the point of every step of my life right now. I'm kidding I'm here
birthday next month? Ok, we say what tat we don't have to aggravate twenty, but we don't you you know so there's a lot reflection going on for me right now, but I see the purpose of everything I've been through thus far and it does it feels like yeah, I'm building.
Are you excited about the reflection in the birth there? You not excited about the reflection in the birthday. I am, I think you know I feel full grown. You know and that's a good feeling have feelin full grown. I freaked out about their birth,
it happened after was, I was like twenty five yeah, but the Tempe area quarter of a century and after I had it, I was like. Oh my god. I'd still don't know everything, but I don't feel as dumb like I feel like I know mice. I feel more comfortable
self gray and that's not something that you can really ITALY's. For you know if you like, a lot of young people spend a lot of time not being super comparable cause they're just trying to figure it out.
Right right and then this is where you really started. Figured I'd go, oh my god. I fields I can feel comfortable in this,
skin. It's on my body and it feels good bye.
What I don't understand about your childhood is: did you were you
for an hour or and then moved a symbolic way, or did you was it the reverse or what what was yeah? I was its it is. It is a reverse immigrant story. I guess most people don't have, which is that I was born in the Midwest immunity,
yeah. I've been out reasons, but because you have your parents are Africa. My pants,
Zimbabwe and they came here separately actually for college in the sixties and they were buddies and high school, but they weren't together and they both were like my mama's in college, in Illinois, models in college and Ohio, but then they,
He had the same host family over Christmas and my dad made a move. Madame worked, the outlaws really bluntly montoni, just like gave her Christmas card that that I love you inside
where's your here. How would you know I have or the other, but I do know that held one day. I was good, but then yes, so then, after that day they got married.
After college and then moved Penn State were my dad was getting a phd in my mom was getting a couple masters degrees and that's what
My two elder, siblings and then Iowa is because my
add, went to a liberal arts. School called do now, colleges a professor of chemistry and he
became a tenue professor. There,
and that's where me in my just older sister, were born and then we're Zimbabwe, and then Zimbabwe gained independence
Niger and when I was five, each was reason, but now
and then weeds and having gained independence and then
A lot of people were going back and it was. This is really exciting time. My middle name means jacket, is called, is jacket
I, which means to Eliminate- and it was really a time when I was born where they didn't know, if, like the wharf independence, would ever end and how it would end, and they is kind of its kind of based on him that sort of sing bring light
the dark circumstances wherein and severely soon after I was born, the war did end and dumb. I'm not saying I was, of course, but you know- and I will put it that way. No though they were then war did ended in a lot of people started to go back and invest in the new Zimbabwe, and so a lot of kids, I grew up around, were born in
Australia, Canada or England was, or the state
its em and their parents had been there in the sixties, getting education and living their lives, and then they came back to Zimbabwe too, too, to help build destination. So that's really hopeful
beautiful. I didn't I don't. I didn't want to skate over this, but I'm almost positive it about a half hour ago. You said you were talking to me, and you said my clown professor
look, there's a study of of clown technique. It's a real! Thank you. What is it
should know about. Com is a wretched if you live in a region of Europe, if you're setting theatre there is some because you have to understand your body right, you're
about the whole thing like there's. A study include Uncle Alec, there's a study of of clown technique. It's a real thing. Ok, what is it? I don't know. I can't members island grants will not, but what I do remember: twenty five legged you're right. I do I just last week about
the whole thing with clank live. It's amazing. It's like
amazing was one of my very favorite components of education like in my entire life. It's it's not really
it teaches you to find this place. You find your clown, ultimately, even in Vienna class. You totally
I've come alone. He's gotta find this typical krispies he's amazing and you find
a clown and you don't know who you're clowns gonna, be he kind of it's not really is not hypnosis. Ok, but it's kind of like you go to this place. That's really unhappy
and you kind of dont know what do you know? Who is going to come out and user?
no they're, all these ways that he sort of helps you open up this part of yourself that really gets kind of
burned down and the stresses of life, and you know what kind of place it's almost like that kid places. Also your child place right, but, like you know, you know you could every that's why every single clown like person you liberalising personal, plays clowns that you'll meet. They have come to different
of clowns. It's not like this. I mean there's this sort of conventional idea of account, but like the real clowns, they are different there very, very different because you ve had to find a clown personality process and when you find him you, what was that? Who was that just came out of me that voice that person what they were saying like? I have. No, I
I would just came out of me. It's really kind of cool, but the one thing he said that was also really awesome was just talking about how you, like the spirit of what you bring to something any said. If the spirit is right, we forgive all the mistake.
And there was something about that. That has led me through my career, like how I absorb what I'm watching or what
considering being a part of
what I saw when I watched the walking dead outside the spirit of this is just so right and like this course, what I feel like when I look at
when I looked at rang work, you not, I mean, but like there's just there's a spirit of a thing that I learned from conquest. You ve gotta, take a conquest
I would, I would happily Julia Cloud Class. It's amazing. I need to take one again actually and then liking.
Cool now Krispies was also
Poland by Yale Yale, this all our digital, whatever they may do. A clown show every year and its apart of like the season of student productions and there's like like a cloud shows the coolest thing I would bet. I would bet that if I would prevent class, I would
We discover. I am completely different than what I thought, because so many ass, you know so much what you put out in the world. A lot of time can be based on you know, baggage and defeat
says and insecurity ride a type of thing you wanna progenitor, I the thing right:
what about trying to control the external world right. So what happens when
strip all that away, and you really just our who you are, which can be a very scary thing to even exactly two intervention to have to feel safe, yeah, yeah
do you do. I mean like thousand with classmates, that I was with oh, my god
twelve hours a day for three years, so you know I felt safe by men and I think we as a third class- and you know, of course, the teacher he s to gain your trust as well sure, because he's kind
taking on a journey. What is so good for you ve got to find you. I have to gain the trial of a pack of clowns. Exactly you, ve got a record it. There can be really interesting. I beg pardon
really interesting Pike S, guest, adjusting Krispies, no yeah, krispies Krispies can get you to your clown and then interview. You are clown. Oh shit, yeah! That's what he does. He starts to talk to your clown and sort of bring out this different thing. That's inside of you is that different thing, like a million?
shifts that never stop coming out. That's a conventional stuff, real clowns. Does the real clown out of the expected think about cloud? Do the real stuff? I'm? U! I learned so much from that class as an artist like just that place. Sometimes you have to go to and I found like a little no. My dear years ago, I found my entire character through finding like finding Michael
like it was like on hinges on changing in her circumstances there she is, you know, I wonder I gotta think of things in terms this way we're having a bike. I think the cloud that I put out of the world, the sort of like Batman TV series Joker, but maybe my real clouds-
a key ledger? Joker really goofy? Now he's not going to be like that, I hope you'll be you'll, probably be like a crier.
I am very emotional. This is why I cannot dismiss difficult for me to watch drama
because when I watch drama I absorb it so
hard that it's hard for me to shake number a couple days like I'm, I'm I'm basically just like an empathic sponge
great and so its horns. Wives do you watch plays much. No, I don't,
that probably has a lot to do with you know just having like a very difficult attention span?
virgin sped sucks. I get really fidgety get really now known if you're watching,
good play. You another worry about your intentions. I guess it's true, but not.
I'll. Take you to simply, would you please take me to some players? Would you gotta come out in Europe too? I walk about New York Kevin. You gonna come back here because it turns out we're almost kind of neighbours. I
you know the common folk,
I think I could see a blaze of I look. I got my terms
and all the way up
castle hurstwood. I love you, please leave you have taken to look at all the I'll, take it altogether too, or this is why this is. We have completed the podcast and I have to say I continue to rise.
This you the other day when I was leaving recipe on companies that I adore you. I don't mean that lightly very sincerely. I am so glad that we ve gotten to become friends over this very bizarre.
Are a journey lotta people get to have, and it is one of the things that makes me happiest about what I do is like I just you know
get to meet people that I really like everyone's everyone's really sweet and we're all kind of you know and in we're all in it's kind of intended and are a little
oh, it's just gone along re supporting each other, but supporting each other's awesome, and I appreciate that, please,
We have an amazing tat, another premiers, but more recording this too
air is Monday for Black Panther. I will be there yes and I
wave to you from a far easier defiling gotta be swamped by now. You gotta come into your dance again, then I will not be complete, Katy one, but the thing about the dances. When
we're playing yacht rock. I was
taken by the dance. But then we went to that other party or they're playing like really legitimately
cool music and I did not know how to maneuver. My body like I can answer like eyes. Gags and the do me brother is very interesting moment, though, where you you said you were leaving, and then I dont know what we said. The ban is breaking up this idea that you seem to get quite sad about that, and then you took up you jack,
I think we have I felt like I live. I expect I was gonna go. I want to go and I thought you guys are really going up a great forgot. How did you like? No,
don't leave and I gotta stay back my head, I got your ears are going to ring for like two weeks ago. I know, but what do I get to hang out with deny would do any good thing old, cold, so busy you guys
funding is not that I know normally have fire now I can allow- or they also hope, you'll pardon right right right right. This you it's just about being robbed the right people and that actually those two parties were really cool. They were cool parties like there are plenty of people there,
hang and dance and enjoy?
the music and saying to each other and show each other love so that those who, like the right types of parties with a lot of time by going
Please, I'm like, like those employees, whatever we like about this means. There are different types of places where we found some really good places. Those are really fun night. Isn't it remains
Thank you. The one of the definite highlights was yours.
Hence machine that you I will. I will dance machine again, we'll figure it out, but until then
burrito everyone. The end, oh, I should say
Walking that we're working? There comes back February, twenty fifth black panther with rears Monday. What's what date is, particularly in February sixteen February, sixteen black Panther and then February twenty fifth walking dead is going,
very busy winters last spring for deny and, and we will see, yeah see you throw that and then also I always feel like I is, is many times. I've said it. I still feel like
never say deny properly. That's all right listed the only
was amazing. Doesn't them- and I hear it said- probably all the time and as with my friend, was in the my play that cliffside impulse we as an you're coming with me. It was like the data
left, and so she came and she was like wow. I've never heard your name.
I like your neighbors, be examined. This way of this is how you say it like come on.
Try really hard. You want the best you wanted
in the west, you one of the best in the west, but I've there's a these goes to a good one, and now I needed a well worth dollar world whirl I'll, take western hemisphere them as you and Anti Lincoln. Very, very good. I will take western hemisphere are excellent. I II and iii scheming complete.
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