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now- I am- I thought I was a pack pioneer, but you been doing uses two thousand loving it doesnt ten year. It's decade It never even guys. You know doing it like five years before that, like Ricky, to raise the early on you know, my friend, Jimmy Party has been doing it forever, like the it really well and until Apple created, like the pod tests. On Itunes, amid all the sudden everyone's, like oh podcast, like before, Where was like him, radio, like you, had to have these players. You had to convert audio, it was a big paid in the balls, and so it was really just like a nerd Lee pursuit, but apple kind of like level, the playing field for everyone and- and it's been a thing so yeah.

It is really quite suddenly another art for me. Nobody reminds me a reminds me of the way that is its exploding out of M radio switched over day FM radio from radio is being lighted, the band of choice that be listen to music on yeah you, you didn't remember that I won't get obey your back and, like the late sixties, early seventies that yet there as far as music. You couldn't have a song on on the air longer than that. I think two minutes and forty seconds or they will be cut off because of commercial play. Oh yeah, a big bands like the doors and ed everywhere. Yeah sounds it whenever, like seven, what happened here

bout. Fm radio was basically your college radio stations back then yeah you're, not nobody listened to those soy public broadcasting and they really just started taking over. They would play you, have the complete side of immigrants to veto the whole thing with virtual letter, rupture joints. Yeah. I remember that only my dad, my Adam everyone, every citizen of the pact, has served as a billion tonnes, but my dad was professional. Bowlers like Europe and in the proposals I hated as it was ever alike, on the right road sports, oh yeah, my dad was on my way sire yeah. He was on in the sixties. He was on a show called shipping, bowling all the time in the net rolled into wide world of sport, I was named after crash ankle, who was the announcer for all that

these are yet so he hates the fly I was, I was an avid bawler, really a oh yeah I'll be up. My first light up, I was boiling like I've got an average of two fifteen or something like that. Does not surprise because you seem to be good at pretty much everything you put your hands on end bowling was one of those things that everyone did at a certain time like other weirdly, respected sport events what happened in the seventies and a kind of took a little bit of the kind of did my dad retired. Like seventy five or seventy six or something, but he hated the fly so wasted. Rivalry. Where so we'd be on these laws. Matters of road and that am radio sound, reminds me so much of my childhood, because satellite radio, before there were a lot of metropolitan areas, you desire- he's a long stretches of that that really thin

sounding M broadcast- and it just brings back somewhat memories for me up- I I I, preacher. What you're saying about how podcasting has sort of change? the entertainment, is being done and you ve been I'm curious here. From your point of view. We be in or and shorter form track. What you were saying. Do you appreciate the longer You must appreciate the longer form conversations because you do press junkets and it's like. I have like four minutes with each person and I get the same five questions and I don't really get the target that sometimes the true because you know if you I've been situations press jackets and movies were literally have done like eighty eighty five other men one day, you're they they break. We buy from around the country from the others, television stations do or seasons,

You said in your chair and they d they come in and you gotta say five questions at never has the wiping yes to oppress dollars, but they want you to feel like you're at their station. Just do it their and I get it everybody. Everybody has browser on thing to do all original long form. I really it's illicit. Does upper limits on something you where you might be able to get something else right here, yeah and also for? How long have everybody? I don't think so, because I think what it's really done is its aloud. I think it's I think pod casting has humanised alot of people that we are used to seeing like you

essentially Reiner, and not really understanding, really getting a sense of who they are, and it feels like this sort of the main difference between what it means to be a public figure in today's world versus like the eighties or even the nineties. Is that you There is a separation between performers and the audience back then they're just wasn't a real outlay to them and now it sort of feels like everything just out on the table. Now something people like this, because it's like dropping into a conversation with someone that they now well there has been a year. Thank them better, has been a lot of mystery? I bet that were Jake get up. Hollywood used to really rely on an end, but the others do with social media and there's just but that's not possible these day. So you have to come.

Jack I create which would you what you can get in the way of the world I there, people on don't miss or may have something to sell em as well. You know, I think at that's, but that's where I think Adam, which you see mostly on television in and in media, it's usually a movie coming out and you don't really get it really learn about that person outside of the products that are selling time. It look at me because I'm kind of on you sign audio up, do find it in a way, but but what's what's funny about it in early on, and there was a little bit of a challenge convincing pr teams like well. Yes, we we're not gonna necessarily. We may not talk about the project as much, because big people can get that with junkets. But because someone will listen and really appreciate this person as a human being

they will in turn, then go seek out. More of that, you know like it creates a relationship, but you said something which cut it. I'm curious to hear your take on it. Would you- and this is going back a bit, but would you prefer the people see a movie like you know a long time ago, like great balls of fire would use. We appreciate, however, it is merely by generally those or I want to see Dennis Quaid, as Jerry Louis, you know like me, People know who you are playing a character. You always you're. Always you always going to see well say better, like mine your Mama brandy, you're always watching online branda are you're, always watching Jack Nicholson, part, that's that's what makes it you need

You know, I don't think that other actors in ever get away from their persona as that's why they get hired you answer persona. That's there is definitely a part of them, yet that's that sort of their hesitation for some actress too easy to do podcast or to do a lot of press because they are the people get to know me too much than they can. They can't accept. Disappearing into a role cause all they said Is me basically in you know, with a different haircut yeah, but I would, I would beg to differ. I would say that this is your podcast persona What's your bike, Kasparov you figured it out yet, like we'll have to go more. Animated? What I'm doing a part gasped was. I wanna keep everything it moving along here, Jeff, slipping out on the cards book. Every episode to be done,

He's gonna like eight now, that's a boy, I've! very likely life caress, yet the things I've got to do as you have caused an actor. At the well known and you're gonna part. The search has always been the most cut. A fine, exciting pardon me up of acting spicy playing real people. When I play girl to birch there. If you don't want it, Rachel, seven astronauts or Jimmy Morrison in the rocky or a bill Clinton in film. I did and it's the research area or finding out about Besides alien finding out about that person- and I guess you go to a lot of through a lot Yours is a authorize personnel on through and that really gotta get to know something like a right starlight. I I'd your Gordo Guerrilla three

I'll. Send me here and I and out I got my pilots licences in applied during that movie, because, like a doll been do everything that is about and an end, you have time to do it, and so the it can bring back to to do their part, gas and so I've been tapping into people that, at a better, my life like that. That an error by life, like I had Jimmy Moors on who was the real rookie from that movie, During your a little bit deeper into his personality in his life and and it's talk about things in it- This is also a kind of like giving up myself on the Pike asked it. The army's also worried more about me. The eyes as reflected these other people. So you kind of been doing a version of this for a long time because of your. If you're researching roles appeared, aren't you if you're getting to know people

rolls appeared. Aren't you if you're getting to know people you're, really kind of unearthing, all of that stuff that makes them tick anyway. So this was just right engine of what you were doing. I've always been interested in what makes people take. I think that's that's that's why you're attracted that attracted acting in fact, as I brought that research process too to the past. And it feels like. You have a lot of energy, because you do a lot of things and kind of what I was hinting with your bowling. Is that you do a lot of things really well do you? Are you able to single mindedly focus on something? So, like you know what I'm going to get my pilots licence now, I'm just all about that right now! Ok, I got that once you get the license, are you stop? Passionate about it or did you like, achieve the goal and you kind of move on while the boy

his license? I I know I got. I got I licence during the making of the film, but then I continued, I'm with it right to jets I got so it takes time to do all that stuff one of those people. I guess I I think I have ADHD for sure, because I was. I was kind average stood me, but if I was, if I find it interesting something, I didn't really focus on that.

And even if I am not a naturally good at it, I will work like a dog to at least get their reasonably get their yeah and what sort of fun about that is that when you look back now, you have this amazing mosaic of all these different things that you ve got to learn and experience that maybe came because of erecting Gruber, almost ass, yet the ethnic resort of the centre of this pin, we'll that is created. This, like you, know, University of Life course that you ve been taking for all the guys in Beverly. It's because the acting correctly yards learning about what makes people check and significant step into the shoe all these different lives in different kind. Ever really, Catholics. Excite people talk holiday, ere. You know, you know he is around even religious dogma.

That you, like, I lost way allies like forty five pounds boy like all of us. Yet tuberculosis and that so, I found that once I got down to up like had ridden thirty eight pounds for that realized why he was the one it was. Did you ever get to me more than Brenda, yeah? I bet Marlon Brando on. Actually the very first movie said I was gone. I was just out in LA for like three months and my brother was doing the Missouri breaks and I hit that was up Montana and he wanted his car up there drive a car out there? I want staying for three months and some my very This movie said I'm watching Marlon Brando jackknife down, as were the great education but Marlon you, those idle. And

There is still more about second, my second month in there parliament had to play the man alone in this in this one scene, He didn't play mandolin and they said that anybody here are not applied. And when I went I did not know how Brenda comes calling. You learn well that Europe I play guitar sire, I just I went out to do. Music start their mark. I ain't got, mandolin cords and life We have already done so is that you know I'm late. Two hours in Marlins trail. Oh my god. And I was so nervous. I'm had had the job, airily barely speak, but

he's just fascinating and just a desert. So wonderful wonderfully sweet man too, as well. What does he say you when you're in there was He was a genius, yes, but you're very. He was just really playing himself Muslim Europe. He just happens to be very interesting. What's he is so you say he's playing himself. Does that mean that he understood that there was a character of Marlon menus playing himself in movies, and he just how you really good at thereby playing yourself. Yet because the question is always what would I do if I were that character, yeah situation yeah, but do you think he was because obviously

seems that was appeared a time where, when you were that famous it couldn't really. I mean it still can today, but I feel like were you know? We have much better understanding about therapy in community, but you could really just evolve into this weird little isolated bubble up where, You didn't really understand or connect with other people, and no one was really there to help you out and I feel like that could really have fought with a lot of people's heads yeah but you can still get into the eyes of the day. I beg you to, he was ill. Are you talking about that? He was accelerate, exaggerate yeah, oh, yeah yeah. I guess he was center tat. He had the time to be returned to the eccentric, knowing it

Well. If you have time anybody up, my I think most of us would want a big centric, because we would go to words, the things that all we like the dough yeah, but that's an interesting idea because it is, I do think that in as much as people daydream, infanticide like wish. I had all the freedom in the world. I wish I had all the money in the world that we really need structure what I mean, let's be tethered to something right, because otherwise you just spin out of control do like during this time that we ve been courting yeah. I they alot of people. This is the big lesson that I think we've all learned is like. Who are we really strip away, well job and get the job and the routine, and you are your courting

with Europe, people or you're alone or whatever, but you really, that is the big questions really really come into play. Absolutely absolutely because, inasmuch as we are, I mean I don't want to use the term in prison, but inasmuch as we are like you know, staying at home and not doing the things that we normally do in the course of the day. There is this ultimate in. No freedom where we really have to you know. Unless we can distract ourselves. Twenty four seven really have to sit with ourselves and find Who am I? What am I like? Do I like me, did I make changes? I mean there. I've been saying there are parts of this that I think could actually be beneficial if, if the opportunity to really explore those, obviously some people have situations where they're not able to do that if they have chaotic

Folds or if they're in the medical profession and there there was still the truth, comes out. Yeah I'll get your doing tat, the stress in prizes like this, it's get updates. You're really find out about people and you find out about yourself Like what I like to be a fox all with myself, were you the kind of person that I would like that I would Wanna, be a farce all with what The other things that will eat interests me my life, you discover things about yourself are all those things that you never had the time to do it now you do and whether you do them or nine says something about yourself. You now and.

In fact the world will be going on since the industrial revolution were talking about the early eighteen hundred year, just getting faster and faster and faster, and all of that you really came to TAT Star and very interesting time. Wheeler then I'll. I was always really because I think it was Cooper. It's been a minute since I've seen the right stuff. Wasn't it wasn't it Cooper who, when they're doing the testing their doing like isolation, testing or something and the? Why flip the fuck out Cooper, I cool is a cucumber right, even growing up as someone who is a very anxious kid I was fascinated by that and jealous unlike had is someone just sit air and not lose their fucking mind. You know when their Forster when Coopers just like you know I was Gruber and that's why they were chosen, and I myself am not like that.

What movies did? I must give you a chance to kind of explore that stuff to write the clock. What is that? Maybe you want or the qualities that internet better like really fascinating to you? Do you do a deal is too stupid to ask a question like do you try to extract positive qualities from characters and explore the morn absorb ever? Do you know already negative ones? You know that It does. We all had those qualities all within, as you know the out by that. You know it's a little bit like when we were kids, we apply all kinds of games which would be high and see which would turn into war capture the flag

whatever it was through get out any would have these imaginings of yourself in a situation or life is less a. I work for the football team whenever you know in high school because it was a group in taxes. I was just that's what you did review Raffer Football team, and I I know I can cast them all pretty good, but A biggest laugh me off the field, because only one small, I was only bloomer, and I really I really didn't like getting hit adjusted. Power like that? You know That's our wound up a drama rode back because you did me didn't make the football team in and out. So I've been drama andor but yeah lock. It became my thirty user, United everybody's, all American, I did you did to the worthy I get any given. Son

You also don't blame the quarterback and end the pitcher ended now I do produce real situation said yeah. I guess a rookie getaway actually pits than a game that, taxes, stadium neighbours, so that that that experience and so yeah yeah you you get had all about those kind of like fantasy things about you, then you ve always dreamed up in your life. You remain please me that you went to your high school reunion ends were like guys is made. That is great out. Didn't you used to laugh at me when I, what are you talking about you that that you know like you to? Please tell me that you experience that a little bit? Ah. Well the thing I wish my tenure

yeah. I was. I had my friends the right that I had that said and that's why I was really still closed. You and I will come to say I did- can feel all There were a few guys. I used to be the beer now seize any out and there really really to shut down your face that was the work of the gas station yeah yeah yeah. You do not want a peak in high school. I always you know when when people say I feel like I fit. I feel where to go. That's good! Go that you know cause. You live your life than those for years in high school. Why don't we get here I'll? Think it's actually maybe for some for some people, like a by my fiance, was valedictorian of her class valedictorian it at Pepperdine or whatever, and she still like, really driven

about their other some people that their life's peak I still football our end in the in the chest club or whatever. It is an that's it. Yet I did they run up against this used to. Due to being number wine are big fish in a small that when they get to the big pond, they it's a lesson as are not prepared to learn right. Your name. Will there is a certain amount of hunger that you need to and that can come from a variety of places it can come from feeling inadequately can come from, like you know, a weird experience that you had from being a kid can feel from just not not really feeling like you fit in. So there's a driver, a curiosity, you know it seems, like curiosity, has driven you a lot and curiosity is a really amazing gift, because, if not curious about anything,

you never asked questions, you don't learn anything and you can adjust plateau so very lucky like nineteen and really and your eyes the drama that permit Indian in high school had, but I need taken. Take seriously. I didn't know what I wanted to do. Really Maybe, but I be a be a you and that I won't be a forest your baby. What that means then, but I don't wanna, be a musician. But I was in the air was when I got the card, you a very serious, and I went there because I grew up and use it in. There was just one teacher They're at the University of Houston's in my brother had his name was Cecil Pickett and I was in his class for one week and I'm,

knew what I wanted to do with my eyes, and that is a real gift to be added to the Gatt at at at at that or does it send your course where you can focus on something and and It's really tough a lot of people if you have to go under. Late twenties reading their thirties and they still haven't, found at Santa really turns along the weren't, devote their lives to and yes it there. Maybe in a hundred job just to make ends meet, but they don't really father parachutes, surreal gifted because if you can That's all I get is to find something that you really love to do figure out a way to get paid for it, and you have a third of your life figured out,

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to turn that into something like a locker razor. Exactly you just don't know what you knew would be, probably radio you're. Now yeah, I guess so yeah yeah yeah, but it was. It was really it was just such a different time, and now there are so many opportunities for people to I mean you know you can work from home like like, we can work through the internet. Its people can be self starters work. So much for opportunity to be our primary now, but for people who are sort of who don't buy kind of happy accident fall into the thing that they discover, as their passion happened did. Do you have words of wisdom for people who go fuck? I dont know what I want to do. I just don't know if I like anything,

I didn't like. I said: what do you love to do? What do those I'd? Everybody loves to do something here at that's. That's the fact, though, that you'll be good at you that that the money will come even and it doesn't really matter about the money it it's. The money will come. What is it that you originally wanted to do me personally, I'm I'm, I'm I'm a stand up and I always wanted to stand up in the seven is Wednesday. Martin started appearing on personnel. My parents notice that I was very fixated on him, and so they started buying Misty my problems and nay they just my parents were really cool. They had no content filters. They just bought me like Richard, prior albums and rival. My dad We seem to on HBO, and so they just said that

and then you know, I ended up becoming a stand up a thin. You know you didn't you can do. A lot of things was set up. You can host television shows, you can actually do package, you do whatever. So I was it like. I knew from age like five that that's what I wanted to do. That's what I was lucky that I had cool parents. You know I'm doubts, I that we re your parents, natural thing really do about what what did your parents do when your dad That was a bowler and my dad, my dad. You know that for full time yet dead, like a hall of Fame Bowler like he's, one of them was in history, the sport shop, and so he retired at thirty four, and then he opened it falling centre in nineteen, eighty, one still at Memphis. He died and twenty per team, but it's still there yachts that mom runs it in his thing was like look. I don't care if you go into

lying, but I pursued the thing that I loved, because I had a very impressive father, so I left her pursued the thing, and so I in turn want to support you whatever you want to do. That makes you happy my mom was the same that's fantastic tacit- my my parents were basically the same to that they lay sort of encouraging cultivated by interest at that. Dressed interest in something I know how to go out and get guitar lessons or wherever you're David David. Therefore, me read you the same thing with my kids like a jack. I was just Jack was twenty seven. These young isn't it. Journeys from Norway as the boy in great show great and just a natural level from the time we was like for it

I'd like a video cameras, and that was back when you call it, but among the shoulders of the video cameras that their budgets, in actual fact that circled faded- and I guess to yours- parents is mammals, make Ryan me, but it was didn't pusher. Is really discuss. Seem worry. Justice is nature. I think we're all groups I think we're all sort of born within in eight nature that, like a predisposition emigrate from even from that from our parents, yeah, but that that also came. I always wonder I mean I think, a lot about the nature nurture argument. It's like! Oh, I know my dad.

Family line. There was a history of like anxiety, he and depression, but the older generations just drank through it. You know cause they just going better. You know that mean that that was something that I had to contend with genetically, or was it like, just conditioning conditioning like generational conditioning in any answers I don't know, but with any of the good stuff comes a bitter there, the challenging stuff to weather the ultimate aim of things like that. For you. I think I learned about what not to do. As well. For my dad browser is breaking the chain of that and added, but sometimes

I'll see you stronger things in my gas struggle of banks and added that there's more tools, yeah, but not everyone necessarily has the awareness to sort of see how to break the chain. You know it's like day some people, you can either break the chain or you can just re express the same the same things in and that that also that that also comes, I think, from being able to step outside yourself and ask questions. But as a performer, would you say that, because your constantly, studying the nature of things that it helped create kind of a third person awareness of who you are as well like. You could see yourself a little bit from the outside and get to know yourself on that level. I would love to say yes and that's true to furnish the others

the word or truth habitats. You know I mean it. I always kind of wonder what like how much you should go internal. I think it's good to go internal to a certain degree yeah. What if you spend too much time in there? I feel it you can solve involvement, yes connected world yeah, the cave. The true number set me friends who were actors, that's probably helpful, because I to be actors of the so self involved and I'm not I'm guilty ever myself proudly beds is really hard to get a wording. Edgewise

but in tat, keep member friends or from all walks of life, basically yeah. I beg you, you see you're wrong reflection in the people that your closest to and if you have a lot of the same friends for like decades as it is, kind of like law alone here, while you realize you, like the cocaine it addiction for like Virginia now get out most. My friends were safe zone. You don't, you that's what you seek out so there he up you're invited yeah, but I use funny. I I was I knew about that and I think you did.

Think there was like. Do you talk about it and Larry King? A long time ago we were like yeah, it was the sixties every like commissioner, you are right. That was up people Magaziner Member had a devoted all issue due to cocaine. This is like a mid seventies. You about doctors were saying this wasn't a directive that was just you can have a fun thing and what was the big deal about it than the jitters? John Baluchi die? That's whereby woke up! Oh, that's, really interesting. I didn't realize that was one of the catalyst yeah. That's it was those it did. A big calendar so was work when he went out of that. What the party was over, he was sort of like the ultimate of their content. Were the rolling stones played an ad? That's with job Lucy was it?

They cut of the Seventies Party generation, Yemen in the seventies, because I think new quitting the seventies. I would add ninety ninety ninety ninety and so that what was it at that point that made you decide like. I don't think this is a great choice any more like I'm, I'm uh, because I've been silver fir. Sixteen years I just wanna drinker and I'm always curious to hear like what is what's the thing that kind of makes people go. Oh, I guess you really have to want to. To quit. You have to learn, or it doesn't it's difficult to make its state that you don't want it wherever you you, you still wider dreams. Cycle over and over again. That is. Is kind of a grace the areas I was I am one of those white light experiences. I had a bad coffee, the in the fifty nineth that we got a record deal fact. We broke up

dressing room backstage, and it was me really. I was, I was all look. I was out of control, It was like when I consider our out of control you're a lot like more like forest stories of other people vein, I won't but I was that I was out of control. I went home and I went home and I have always white light experiences where I saw myself Beaver or in jail or losing everything that I've ever worked for and life paid for some reason. It really Frank in that night and the next day I went into rehab twenty eight days I was lucky. I got the first, let's fantastic, that's fantastic, but I also wonder whether the four years of

the depression hand, and you just now when go back there and feeling I'm cool when you know use when you, when you find you made the decision to like I don't know you tell me if you had this experience like when you got sober, you expect things to get better at one and the love as they get worse. Here that

that for one reason or another that day your table quell wilder to come back here, because I think getting soldier is the first step in you. You just have to like clear off the table, so you can start doing the work to and also you you do, will rest a lot of your motion of element when you're on substances all the time. So it's not like your problems are going away. You're, just numbing yourself to them, so you have to then can deal with them and I think that's why the like. What does deal should a data tankers if you thought about all this is gonna, be like a four year journey. You go. I don't it's sympathy as it does now set up for that. But when you get to the other side of it, you you realize oh ok! Well, that was worth it because now I you know like I feel

So much more, you know, grounded or I feel like myself, but you have to like we did it take about four years to kind of established the new, the new normal, yeah one day, you know you're murmurings, they need you here, love and. Do you routine is replaced, different? is it is currently a brick.

Is a really gotta, be careful what you ask God for, because you just might give it to you and it's it's! Never what you expect. Yes, it's it's! Never what you expect! I love. I love that you said that, because I had a real, I had a really strong thought of that a couple of days ago that there are no, our brains tend to simplify things. If you're in NATO and in a situation that you don't let go, I only had this apparently had more this or more money or that of data that person or, if I had that thing or that job. Your brain doesn't really understand that there are simple solutions, like everything comes with everything, yeah it's about things that go with that that yeah the dead, that the change will fundamentally change. Everything. Do you need things to be very black and white, or are you ok a little bit

chaos. The older I get the more I realise that their entire life tray with shame. Granting more into black, and you can be both things at the same time get better. Used they grow. You have to be like this. I have to be like that. You now and even happened. The thought of Ghana running in either I made peace with that things become a lot easier to a day life. The struggle is you and you call off the war. I just like you say, you're, a human being, just a little self do too. At least in your mind, beyond sacks right you know it takes away that it takes away a lot of temptation. It takes away a lot of the needle struggle and maybe it

The question of getting all getting older and heavy experience things time and time again time and time again you realise there is the risk that, like definitive answer to it is just a just. What do you do when you get up that day? That's a good way to think about it too, because I think we do in order to try to gain some semblance of kings. All over our world, which again is an illusion that is the key, were always looking for controls that yeah yeah and that's the other thing about the interesting about this quarantine is, like the others, no control like the idea like these ideas into a year ago. If you said oh yeah, you know Sunday pretty much. The world is going to shut down an enemy Are you fucking nothing's gonna be open for you now endeavour. We realise, like always all an illusion. The sense of control that we had was an illusion that we have to be. Ok with that yeah

you're, not ok with that, but we did not get it If anything it anyway, there's. I think I have about fifteen minutes left with you, so I just wanna. I want to cover a couple things very quickly number one. Please make a sequel to dream: Scape, it's one of my favorite movies from the eighties while Ed's. I think it could be so fucking cool now dig now with special effects and everything I want. I would love for your replies, their character. I don't know if you like working under film or not, but I thought it was a fucking thing, because I been there I did this movie and argued that the other are you not? Are you in house alone the movie they d, the at the at the true, yet it that this came about eight years ago? But I saw this house to this young man. He keeps a kind of

harassing. I always saying right that was the same writer has as dreams gave, what not talking, and I think it would be a really great idea to do as the streaming television show date, and I could play my my character, and that I did I add and Kate cash and I would have a son, the other idea about, and it would be the girl What was biker, I think, would be really interesting. They do returning snake man, I maybe I'll get enacted guy, whose name was that he's got like the most I initially David, Patrick Kelly, yeah, but that didn't educating, listen. Maybe three years ago I soft pitched too AMC Dream Scape the series just a grueling

because I I really feel like there is room for it now, so I don't know I'm just I just want to give you a rapid Kelly character. Is he's dead he had a son somewhere to living your dreams now and then. The other thing that I wanted to mention was that around ninety ninety one I worked at a country club in Bel AIR that you belong to. I didn't believe that now at that time I didn't joining dont ninety ninety six, but I played there all the time. I remember you because I worked in all the parts of it.

Of course, and then I was working in the parking lot. When I was in college, I won t say allay YAP, and I remember this really what'll. I remember this everywhere. This really weird situation where I was on the phone I admitted and acting class the night before when I thought it might be an actor and I had done a scene from graduate the night before and I was terrible and I said something like oh yeah, Dustin Hoffman was way better. I made some joke about Dustin Hoffman being an you were standing, upright light and you came over to go You did a scene with Dustin Hoffman and I would like to Know- and I my brain. I always I was like what a fine. I'd what? If I just to have a conversation with Dennis Quaid tried to pretend like yeah, does

when an I, you know like we work on scenes together, but I'll never forget how you are one of the only people in that club who was genuinely interested in people and things- and I don't know, was such ass. It was such a refreshing. You were so personal and I always appreciated that. Well, I just figured. I must just figured they get over this like, like you, I'm sure you younger than me me or whatever. I must have seen myself. You you like an acting class, are whatever was. Are must have senior demeanor an end game Jackie about results. You were very, you are very kind and I really always appreciated that cause you you really and that's. You know again to anyone who is around people who work in them in any kind of a service industry like be nice job, because I ll never forget it.

Know what I mean rather than later, you now is a waiter. Was a bus boy was a door to door salesman. I was the euro, it is that's working for eleven. Do you sell door to door, nobody there in the parking lot with working for a living? What what did you say door to door? I was a fuller brush man, Oh my gosh guys. I saw those pure war, bristle, brushes and Thailand Rock later to the church door. Talk about anything what news they like it back in the early seventies and have it even take to putting on a white what I thought was an english access back at the door.

The president noted different in user ever meet anyone forbade somewhere, burnished kid at the dollar during these brushes dark Europe's great about that is that you basically is adopted or salesman. You were primed for the consistent rejection of the entertainment business in a way that most people not so there was great training for that. That's right! That's why you never know, there's no way

the time in life at all. It's all trade, the something else. That's a really great way to think about it is, I think, a lot of people think I wasted my time doing this. I wish I'd done this sooner, but if you look at everything is training for the thing that you ultimately are going to become method that helps kind of except whites yeah, like versions grossly you're nervous package, as they may be lit bleeding the something bigger yeah you know, look like kind it. Maybe I just like doing it like. I just have a natural curiosity for people. I like talking to people that I love specks and I like I just like connecting, but I really like to learn from you know like, even though their been like four five things that I'm making mental notes of Danube said that I find incredibly helpful it. It is the Pakistanis, almost kind of a selfish pursuit, to be honest, cause I'm just trying to learn

from people who are smarter than the breeze by yourself. Well, I appreciate that. How is Europe? Are you practising a lotta music sitting at home yeah the fact that a good point behind a light for five hours a day? I can come back to us All of the great balls of fire stuff, which was another saying you know I played Jerry Lee Lewis and he was there on the site. Everyday was over my shoulder going to get it but he was also one of my teachers the time it credible, generosity but and you know, I'm we're gonna play, allow that stuff you're pretty well, but can't give myself sort of a master glass and not to the Abbey really said daddy.

And blow myself up with the out? That's it, sir. It is regrettable instrument to play is just a EU just keep going and going in going to get you they just gets better and better. I love it. I started taking lessons a year and a half ago almost- and I now I take them- be faced time resume and that I really love about? It is that I find it to be frustrating but very much life lesson aid, because the only way to get better is to put time into it too. You have to do everything is slowly like there's no way to rush through. You can't ask what was like. I have asked what it jointly Louis, you about play Viana? Do they taught me was that it its special like I'm using its this had left

and if you get the left hand go on, then everything could take. Everett self boys, his left hand, words is gonna, be so s lot is an athletic fret about muscles giving that boy where you could just keep that rather than an ad forever you I saw him. I saw himself the piano were recorded for the record git up before them before the movie, with even more sensitive Piana for twelve hours, without a break. Oh my god that was like his world and do you are you gonna report? Did you see yourself recording like an album where you play everything like? Are you? Are you leaning toward

Well, I have I've ever recorded your record with the sharks that you know what, but that's mostly guitar, but the piano is. It is in there too, but it's just I just want. I just want to go further with it. My last couple questions revolve around the ten episodes that you've done of your podcast. I love asking people when they saw I guess, what did you think it was gonna be when it started? And now how do you see it? And what have you you know? What have you learn about? Podcasting and what have you learned life stuff that you ve learned from people who ve been on its own, yeah that originally was gonna, be like sort of like entertain. The torture all I was sound. It unites turned out to be really Canada. I would have liked

interesting conversations that right a lot about myself and hopefully gave it its its is, usually can a scary when you start out was was something new. All I know is why, when I would add something, I started something new if, if I get If I get a show of fear out my spine, probably something I should do all that's great Take me out of my comfort zone. It and doing podcasting is really take. It. Take me out of my comforts onto two to two dollars, something complete completely item by item, I ral younger and it It is a challenge and it's its This is something I rifle:

I really like doing this blue light like well. Imagine they make us everything that you ve said. Kenneth says to me that you do like unpacking things you do like talking. You do like trying to understand and I think that idea that we always have something new to learn can move from falling into a rat. You know, and while everybody else is indifferent, there's a difference, the train, the audio visual experience and audio experience, and I think that day really learns something different and it just being an audio experience at. I guess I would refer to likely the candy mixing debates, which were the first television debates that were on the people that listen to it on radio generally thought.

Nixon one. The debate with people like that you're on Television Kennedy clearly want to debate, gives us the optics that girl and you use, you you here we focus on people's faces and add ended dismiss alive things that they say sometimes you're alive, like we, see the prey girl or when I ran a few european just, but merely the flames are worth Iranian. I give its on telephone. We'll, be different, yeah yeah, I mean we, take video for this, but we just rip the audio out and just so people can listen, but I think also people can.

They can consume audio right into Mario, more places and make an actually very special about the are your experience yeah later it allows people to feel like their dropped in I'm. Just I'm glad you're doing it, and if someone and the name is great denizens is great because you do do a lot of things and I do think that's a great lesson for people that you you can constantly grow when explore and change, and you ve done you no great dramas in great comedies. My wife and I are gonna watch inner space tonight because it's been a while. I've seen a guy you to see the movie again. You know like it yeah I didn't do our work and came out. People figure was like this big here about that here I was called inner space. It. It looked like science fiction movie. I did say that you are colony on it and that the commandment Cute like that. But then it just came a classic first.

For some reason home video like people were allowed to find it. I guess home, video and cable people are allowed to find it, but I am so thankful that you're doing this by guess. I'm so thankful that you came on mine and It's a real, genuine pleasure to talk to you. It really. You know your here and has been very fun and educational at the same time. Well, set was a time in the near future. Maybe you could come on mine. An absolutely will I'm I'm gonna go get back dvd. You see, I'm buried my wife and I like in the six p M pajama club willing we get into bed it. Like you know. Six, seven o clock were ready for bed. You know like we're in the early bird special

Really, I totally get it you, don't you some big for all people like no mix all the sense in the world. You dont want to eat two acres, any good as it reflects the middle did like I get director donkeys, you gotta, pay it really like it so pragmatic. You know, like a really- it thanks for everything man and take care? Stay, save stay healthy and I'll soon there I ii and incomplete.