Welcome Leonards Pike S number, six, seventy nine, the so do you have anything to promote short ass this one I pulled specific here from fast, which is a all comedy music. Music festival. Ok, do you ever go to challenge the dumb? dementia. What book did you fucking? You see Barnes and Barns Jonathan, Coltan or Paul and store. I did this: Wheeling Illinois added it literally three days of endless all comedy music. They have comedy dance parties with theirs its music companies, which, in my mind, is just like that pinwheels end with drumbeat over its coming to take me away. They have their like improv thing. We're peoples are throwing subjects that we just doesn't ongoing song incorporating step as people do it out. The arrogant worms are head lining this year, but they have a ton of people who have been from the

I commend Joe show all through it is bill. Friends are gonna, be there. I can only hope you know bill friends or did dead bees and the clown is he alive you I saw. I saw him at thy. Some of that tomorrow show like for five years later it I can only open, eyed legitimately thought that guy was dead. So I'm I'd like you'd like like so many puppies saying about that sort of my thought, as I imagine that the puppy syndicate got to fit through seven cavity music, they called the problem. I see my mind. It was of men, dresses, dogs into dreams, indicate covers you're, making a way more complicated in any debate. We put five fucking puppies up on a stage and then it's just like you, we are hearing we put tiny harmonica

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and again promoting our centre. Your comecon shows nurse gonna be doing a bunch of stuff Aqaba, kindness. You ever had done a San Diego in July in believe it's like a knife, tenth and eleven that somewhere at some around their rights, the weak, so we can, after fourth of July and in so doing, to fund comparable to a dot com to get tickets. For my saint of show in Lebanon's punk ass, this episode is Dexter. Holland, who is from the ban the offspring, who I mean spring was huge when I worked at Kroq huge on the on the on the on the rotation using the rotation and obviously the offspring had a very successful music career, but I was so poor, Dexter, HOLLAND. I just typed, pin them down

because he is he's a site. Is a scientist and is making lacking alert biology. Heat he's, he's he's getting his pitching molecular biology, he's always been assigned sky and after the success of the band he went back and he is he's probe out a year away from completing his phd molecular biology, studying or in a in HIV I mean it in its heath and he does so many fascinating things that you know you never would have like bands from when you were grown up. You don't think other guys are scientists like a girl with her. Just click, that's what they did their vans and they still do music but

does all of these things, but he's a really interesting guy and and and really sweet too. So I was a what it was an absolutely. It met every expectation that I had chatting with him and exceeded himself. Thank you to Extra HOLLAND, the altering as a new single called coming for you and up and coming summer today to check those up at offspring, dot com and also he made a hot sauce just cause fuckin. Why not super good bye out, which we have here, this inescapable called Gringo Benito there. My favorite done in the world is in sunset, beaches come a harbor house and they have it on every tabled restaurant. It's real good unaddressed, esprit de. So this number six, seventy nine with Dexter, HOLLAND,

murder, star com, muslin done by people who was barely plugged in apologize nice, but you're here in all worked out with great welcome journey, but it is good. It is needs nice to meet you we're we're gonna talk science, I'm very excited to toxic together on guy. Why and little bit, maybe little bit. Maybe our guitar players very nervous that I've been very very but he's not here today lies he's of a huge fan. Alyosha words will wear it, whereas ie you guys city, couldn't come

is you gonna nervous. I want to go. I like to call on the nerve that next time you next remit he says I say hello. Nudo is a huge ban, noodles noodles! This was outside of my range of knowledge. This would have been a new. Approved him very, very despondent. That We were not able to accommodate you, so please, please send noodles heart. I let you should I tell news if he wants to come to like a talking dad or something or at midnight, or something is more than welcome he would love to end its anytime. You will appreciate the shot out as well. That's very that's very easy,

now, what are you working on right now that new songs? Yes, yes, definitely talk about the songs by the time of the socks person that I'm just gonna start poking your brain. Ok, you're! Your story is in your mother, who takes a break from science to then be in a band that is very successful and then said. Well now I want to go back and try to cure aids. It just kind of AIDS, we do just put out a single. We had a record. The came out gives a couple years ago in instead of staying in the studio and for a year, and putting on record without lists, put out a saw here and there for a while and keep us happy. Cuba is. Hopefully, and were kind of in the middle of that right now, which has great it's actually been nice, not doing a whole album for a little while sure what does the concept of human rights

me anything anymore we'd how these discussions in a secretive like why? Why are we doing this because the kid Download downloads it in ten minutes in he's out of the next thing? You know we ve got. Z males as soon as I record comes out. The very day comes out there. Like I love it when you next Reykir comin out, you know we just we just did It's a long time hard to make ain't. We ve been like people, don't digest music, way anymore. It's not really how it is an album, but we always come back to the fact that, well, you know what we're rock band and brought bands make albums a nest. We're. Until when inspired us to the definitely do another album. Does it still feel exactly the same as when you mean you guys of a specific dynamic together? That is that is consistent or do you feel like Europe process has changed since the nineties

I think we all kind of now. You know who each other are and we get along pretty well, so only guinea with surprise we get the studio. Unlike you came up with this. You know we'll countries work with it lets good web. What, when did you? I just keep. Please just walk me through the timeline a little bit where you went to school and then how you first started getting into molecular biology and how you decided to take up. From I just I'm sure you ve told the story before, but I would love to just like a little quick, yeah yeah sure I mean we all grew up in garden, Grove, basically Orange County and AG went eyes there and stuff- and I guess three, three of the four of us all into the same high school and what you're with this I gradually. Eighty four. Ok, yes all around, was. What was the orange curtain like in their early eighties air? Well, you know people when you look at old Pencroft he's the stuff is supposed to be very boring and very

define and all that stuff, and I think that was kind of true when you grow up and something you don't necessarily realise what you're grown up to a kind of react to it? Instinctively I guess right. So what we did is we got into punk rock is just It seemed like the thing to do. I don't know I didn't think about why so much then, but we are here to the dead, Kennedys social distortion in and there are lots of Orange County. I really liked like t as well in the adolescents, but in other modes of course, and the sex pistols we kind of shared that love and we would would go to shows and drink beer on the weekends so was so was. Basically, you must have been a good student. I did go to school Naturally I don't know you know, that's all its harbour. Your kid do because I don't want to like it. It makes you stand out in a weird way, sometimes you're kind of always trying to under play it. You know like

a conversation with someone who do you think of a big word than you try to think of a smaller words like we're, like some kind of massage woman hater ourselves, we should use big words her ignored or is it when, when the offspring first broke, what would do with their that has been that urge to support so I don't let him know you're a science guy or like it's all, it's all thrash, that's all I'm sure I don't let em nobody's ninety, and I think I just came out pretty quickly and that the press people really wanted to go without a lot like we gotta predicts you're on the cover we're in a lab co like they really want to take your way too far out environmental dig. So we

really kind of water stay away from that can downplay that for a long time. I think it is much better to have you in like a silver cowboys suit with a hand riding and am RNA strand. I think maybe that would have been better than that which we also eggs. Clay they took their advocate serious with accurate, diagrams UNICEF like dazzle bullets interesting, is is in kind of firm. We both in writing. You know what you're, when you're writing something. I feel like a lot of times your expressing what's in your environment right. So how did you? How do you keep is there is their hidden? Is their hidden side? Stoppers are hidden nerd stuff in in the songs they know about, but we know but is, is

straight. You step ass sort of. I guess I don't know. I really think about it. That way, actually a lot of things that I think about her, I like, I feel, like you know, I couldn't write that because no one also relate to it. You know like I like to fly, but I dont really right songs about flying, because I don't know how to connect with the average person on how to organise their own jet aircraft yeah here, don't what the altimeter out of a hundred feet. Stuff like that, you don't want it. I still want to go there, but you understand, if you just saying it in the offspring cadence that people would think you're. Like I mean, if you saying literally about playing a plain people would think. Was a metaphor for something like Manibozho Dave in aviation. Go there. I was actually one good story about how the science thing did translated. So I was in graduate school. I guess we're gonna go back and forth here, I'm here whatever, but I actually had to ports a patriot as you know, those things are and what you do. Is you take this giant flask. It looks like that.

An early fireflies, ok and I had to pour a whole bunch of em, and so you feel it up with stuff is almost like jello and you gotta get it really really super hot, so sterilize, and how to make so much. I d make like two hundred petri dish is so I put these two of our next to each other in this big giant of in this Eliza it and stuff and want to get started super hot, and it's really thick is really viscous, those knocking to cool down forever. I put under a hood and had the fan out forever. I touched it twenty later still super still could barely touch it, and I thought these things are never in a cool down. I gotta keep him separate. I was, That is why, with the notion of actual story like there lie- and I gotta do something again- damage z sides can be better

profit. It is right that there has been tested, but didn't, No one at the time would have the size about patriotism, exactly right now, while the other part of that stories that I drove to you, I see every day and commuted from March counties. I went through some pretty bad neighborhoods on a daily basis in you saw evidence the gang life unless stuff in the graffiti in and so keep em separately became more of a metaphor of of the gang life. Yet that's good. Just turn exert patriotism but ass a metaphor rely because one thing: if you write about altimeter hours, then people will think that it's something something Our is that more. When did you get your pilot licence twenty years ago? I guess I'm really. It's your license to fly. You voices flylike, full commercial, jet aircraft. Yeah, I got read it all away up, they call an airline transport like I could fly for the airlines, but you know

amazing, it would be. If all the sudden like lived elements, is your captain tat HOLLAND speaking and then you break into a song. I should totally do that. How are you able to? I mean it's? I does one of my favorite things about doing this progress and talking to people is so much of the time you you see people for their so much the process in you categorize. Everyone like this guy's about this in this woman's about this in this person just as this, but to me you and talk to you and know that not only do have an extensive science background and near the currently working on trying to understand HIV? But you also have your pipe. You also our rated pilot. At the same time, when you very easily could have just said, yeah fuck, you amend offspring, and that's it the end

Could I just done that and that an outing anyone would have fall to do that, but so what is this pacifically specifically about your personality and, furthermore, your work ethic and your drive that that that that forces you to to really take everything as far as you can add, or no because there he knows one of those one of those things. I guess right. I guess I want a better answer than But if that's really, if that's really what it is, I guess I'm I'm interested in staff, I think stuff is cool and distinct. When I see something like a little of that would be really rather to do that. Why not give it a shot? Guess maybe that's! The problem is I never know when they get into something. What a bad idea it usually is. You're gonna be really terrible out for a long time or is it costs a lot of money or take your time and stuff and it takes a while to get over. That hope. You know sure The ban was a good are a good example were took us ten years. You know,

you're like super into it, really, like, I said, inspired by the pump bands and started playing and can You want to come to the shows and didn't realize How terrible we were as a ban. We were not good at all, but a really long we didn't. We didn't have take lessons, we ve known instruments and we the band we we little literally said: let's start a bad like ok. What do you want to play shows our instruments on the spot, so that made the curve a little longer. That is a very fierce there. Curve which do not yet learned the music Bisbee learn actually how to play instruments yeah I'm. So when, at what point did you didn't go because it with anything with any thing? That's a craft are assuming. It starts out, it's fun or hobby. At a certain point, it does kind of become a chore like it's them, the maintenance of it in the growing of it. More than just the first couple: weekends, like I'll fuck, you really got to work.

This out with a so. How did you guys focus and what what kept you going along the way to keep pursuing? Yet it honestly, what wasn't like It was like this is so much fun. Every every little thing you did was like wow were actually making our own records. You know like everything we do. Was the I why they still say that right do yourself right, but it was out of necessity it what it wasn't like we're, so cool we're gonna do. I would know we'd love to have someone make our teachers, but no one was willing to do that. You all your own stuff right. We actually we have Lou together, our own record sleeves, because we got imprinted, but we didn't have the extra nickel to perceive to get a glued, my gas, we are doing it, but it wasn't like yours, a bummer. It's like, let's get a couple cases a beer and good at the base. Pairs house in rule will just do it on Saturday. Never so You're right, you're right forget glue records. Hey someone's enemy.

Airplane in Berkeley and that was really fun necessary first gotta following a step, but it was really took a long time and it was. It was just that we'd like to do the doo doo doo appreciate the fact that you had to build this in a pre. Social media era. I mean now that not that social media is easy to figure out, but at least there is the potential for reaching a megaphone. But you know what that time, which I assume is probably the mutilate eighties you're you're real. It's really just words at that point: road, a math cassettes yeah. I think we did relays even back there, that you can reach a lot more people with your little city or your Cosette than you ever arm with alive show or by talking to somebody and stuff. So it was important for us to record stuff and get it out from the. Beginning. How are you getting it out, though? Air? We send a fancy? Oh really yet, goodbye cassettes, a radio shack, their legs welfare. Guess, remember TAT. She could by those for like a buck apiece, I think in a ten bucks for ten or so

then you double minors, Cosette flair and slap on them. Don't send it out. It's got a funny that philosophically that has really changed much, that people still in normal seems like the the slop ear? Something is the more homespun it is the more authentic the it is for people, because it's not you know, something's really shining in polish than people are automatically suspicious, but like that accompany corporation you're, trying to tell me I particularly if you're doing like, if you're doing like thrash, if its super package and super slick, so I wondered when you guys did start to make it to that effect. You're endured your initial core group of fans who really bug you got sold out with your album, looks like someone printed it yeah well for sure. There's a little bit of that. I guess that the attic there there's two sides of it right where their deaf elect you said almost makes it more meaningful if it seems flawed or imperfect that sort of thing and the other side of it is whenever you

bans old record. That sounds really shooting a super cool. They were never trying to make us, that they wanted to make. Is that was the best they could do right in that's what we did. We had shitty absence. Shitty production is nothing we're pretty excited about it, but- and you can look back at it now, go on that such So how do you then? I just I see these- maybe they're not economies, but it feels like those of their economy to me between this artistic side which, like you just said, you have, you know like embraces flaws. A lot of the best off comes from flaws, and it's good to embrace refers verses. Science, which is all about stamping out all the flaws in its very exact than it has to be noted at the map, has to check out in the science has to be slick. Imperfect, like how do you do you see it a disparity between those two things or do you feel like they're, just part of the half the same hole

a disparity between those two things or do you feel like they're, just part of the half the same whole? Here I mean they stated that music in math very related and a lot of people that are It's on. Writing are good at math also, and I don't know for sure, if that's true, but I think I do see, songs is as things you can almost visualize. Am. I guess right if it's a certain correspond, the way harmony fits together and stuff, so I never thought about it being perfect or imperfect, but he's trying to write like the perfect song, rather think that we, so they were talking about that like the ideal of the perfect song, is gonna, be out there somewhere and you can ever get to it. Spent right hand of a nice idea, has just the right structure and all that stuff, but with science you can't really. You can't really just go out

embrace the flaws with sleep. Even really, when that happens, you gotta start all over and you have to make it work. Maybe I don't know, I think, sometimes things get fudged a little bit in science officer will. Of course I mean it's whenever how many times something has to be peer, reviewed once it gets publishing they go, there's just happen with black. With warp drive a couple weeks ago in a bunch of people said. How can we not talking about warp drive and I was like because it hasn't been peer, reviewed yet and once they do, it's probably not going to check out and of course, happens right, so it is. It's also interesting to see social media with science, because people can a blurt stuff out without having an and most citizens will not take the time to thoroughly dissect and try to understand. They just see things on the surface.

For sure and we have the internet right. Yeah can anti science the internet. I guess I mean I feel like the internet wants to embrace science and sections of it, one obray science, but a feeling as a whole. The internet, the entity of the internet, just embraces whatever it sees on the surface in a moment, because again, I'm with that, but we are hearing gossipy rise pseudoscience. I guess so. Had you completed at what? What level had you completed of your education before and when did you decide to break off for a while and then go pursue music yeah? I am. It did not make a long story But the time line is that you know after high school we have just started the band. We knew what gonna go anywhere, but it was fun, so you know a couple of hours college I got accepted, you see and I decided to go for pre mad. I thought I want to be a doctor at the time you couldn't probably wrongly, that the

Ass time went on. I still you know I was going home very weak in Sudan stuff in that what is really important to us, and I knew that that's when I loved and I figured to get a job eventually, but the more real medical school came because it was getting closer and closer the more I sort of started self sabotage a little bit not sing in the applications on time. Incidents like dad and then whoops and get in like well. I guess I guessing under the ban. But I certainly have a java or nobody is going to do, and I got accepted a graduate school. A graduate school is a great way to avoid reality. And you can really stretched ETA. For a long time if you want to write an end. It so amazing that veto on others value and in the continuing education and its value in graduate school in, but it also parts of it, are like that's a pretty good business model for the schools like? Oh, no, no, you actually need more school here. If you want to be more respected, I mean it's: it's almost. The educational version of Like Brett strips like ok

if you want people like you more you gotta by the UN and in any event it is when really we live in an age. Where do you could learn anything from your phone? You could really learn anything in a moment, so attending in others is graduate school programme does feel like. It feels half scare me to me right right, and you know what I'm saying that have Choky, because I did like what I was doing stuff. Part of my pre undergraduate curriculum was was genetics, but which is another word for molecular biology pretty much, so I decided that the part of biology I liked the best, and so I went into them. And kept on going. It was taking a long time, but we are doing the bad thing on the side and then one day the ban sorted. It finally actually took off so what was that moment. We start again played on Iraq. He was correct, right, come out and play and which was amazing in itself, and then we heard that it was. It was the number one most work,

so like within a week and then went to MTV within four weeks and adjust. It really went when it when I mean Kara, because I was I was on air, came from ninety five to ninety eight, so that was like a that was a sweet spot for you guys that period and it was. It seemed very advantageous that K Roc had such a strange Orange Orange County following. I do not think it was an accident that up like so many orange county bands, which were right and carrots backyard and right of their audience blew up, and then you know right. Caracas, sadly, like Gub characters like a sub, read it and it will lead to the top of it than MTV like the rest of music culture read was the front page as I gotta go to the top of a carrot. So now must be now can make a front page Iraq an interview, a really connected, because its people that work to care- I guess you as you point out, went intervenes yeah. So that means you probably introduced,

one of our songs on the radio high rise sides, because next you guys we're in heavy rotation. You guys we're in very heavy rotation so, and that meant that in if I had a forum, shift you'd get played twice. Let me that's how you knew its iron heavy rotation. So yeah was an interesting. You guys were kind of got gliding like I was there for the last sort of sputtering of Grunge into more, like Orange County, thrashing yeah. I was really you know like when I was when I was there. That was really that there was the time, for it are some, so it was a little one day, you're like oh fuck, we're on care. I did you know: they're gonna plater, just whether we just as it can really was the progress programme because there he had thrown on didn't know didn't. Actually I got the call like half an hour before played it. He said: hey, they had a music meeting, they played fifteen songs, they rejected them all. But yours there were in a pledge.

Gonna play in the morning or the afternoon driver whatever in nice, as I now and I was, I was school. I was in the lab, you know, you're gonna find gotta turn radio on that's crazy was pretty cool air. So let me We still do know what we're gonna do or how far was gonna go, but within about two months it was, it was gone. I think the record it had made the top twenty album may, the top twenty, and it was it was time to like, if you're going to do what you got to go, you got to get on the road down, really go so at the time. You know our bass player didn't he had a job he really care. Noodles was a janitor, a great janitor violence. But he was actually concerning ETA, yet a daughter to take care of staff in you know I was gonna happen what school- and you know my father this concerned about that and, of course, my London Stan like are you sure It's good idea! You know why you leaving school for punk rock stuff that it all with our

Luckily, pretty quickly. You know a lot of bans. I think they're kind of in that that zone were you not sure if it's really good, I'm gonna go for washer. Luckily, for us that didn't happen more yet mean neither there were a ton of you know, four for every offspring story. There's like a dish, while a story, I mean what it's like the one. I love this. Why they had the one you know they had the one song they came in from the K Right perspective, they're the ones on the care I played all the time and then just didn't really. You know I mean there is theirs: many bans that I remember even when when when loser came out by back, I was like well this for never going to have another thing ever that, of course, because it was such a set, the sun's K. Iraq would pick almost felt like not dispel it very much like songs of the moment of a ban could have if a ban could then have a second song and a third song, the Cairo

play. Then you knew there. They ve been striving to be around for a while, but above all the times it was just. There was just one song and then carry out with just the wine and we got lucky that we got a second wanted and add a third one Yasser yet it I guess that still happens now. Maybe it's just more ground, or maybe you know, maybe it's more like with the the overnight thing did the ten year overnight thing, though Europe for ten years than you become a success, but I guess you too was really the the equivalent of that now someone just all the sudden going viral and then but radio. Now I feel like they play their song on the radio big deal. You know it is it. Is it still a big deal? it played on the radio. I think you do for shared in people talk about the social media, which is super important, but I dont, like them, I'm not going anywhere. I don't think that's a big part of it in actually think it goes the cycles in its very singles, a feeling I think, to mature now right in that happen,

in what the sixty happened in the seventies, of course, and it became more band. Oriented and ideas for sure was a lot more like that. Do I just dont know if people really understand the idea listen to an album, the way that it was written start to finish and take the journey ass. A sort of like now take this back. Come over here than others. Now I have now. I have my own playlists. You don't have to India in Plan D, no there's a whole time also yet and also your song comes up. You know like an Itunes, it's already telling people like Would you should listen to the other one over here, like it's already out of an address you, as you know, two ten other directions. So I I pull this off you Wikipedia page, because this is a phenomenal paragraph. As of twenty thirteen How is a doktor or student in the laboratory viral oncology in protein comics Research, Keck School of Medicine, where he is supervised than it? Has your supervisors presses name Mortuary thirteen HOLLAND, coauthors published

per regarding micro, RNA and HIV genomes, titled identification of Human Micro RNA, like sequences embedded with the protein encoding genes of the human immunodeficiency virus. So it says that this describes use a computational computational molecular biology to identify micro, aren't like sequences and HIV so did just I mean that fucking blows my mind. That blows my mind. You know that, ring yea others still around, but that guy's sequencing, RNA and HIV or ok yeah. Well, thank you How do you think that it is then it's just it's it's it's a huge global it because it's you when you quit school, most people don't go back to school. Theirs! I ll go back, I mean

I left school like in my final quarter, to go work at MTV and, of course I might them at the time I told my mom way. I can always go back, I'm not going to go back to finish my philosophy degree, but you wait like something about. You went back and decided that science was important to you. I don't think I was going, actually, especially because with the bad thing, when it's going, it's like you asked my manager, I got what would happen if I took a couple years off to finish school and he's like forget it it's over. I didn't for a long time, but then I realized I kind of could, and you know what I want. I dropped out a bit dropped out of school right, and I had to do was right. Dissertation, which is a big job, but I was that's like three course free, forcing the way there so- and I was kind of bug me and it just kind of kept on bugging me like later. I I just didn't finish that kind of machine. We call for finished it now and I think it brings about other

opportunities and in a way you know, I don't know what they are exactly, but maybe bottles come colanders he's you know he's into helping out with AIDS problem. It's just it's amazing when I think about how you could you could fly yourself from the weeny roast today: Hearing AIDS, like your whole life is interesting, is such an interesting tapestry of things that you know The reason I'm leaning on its or heavily is because I want people to understand that what makes them interesting and what makes a meaning as all the different things that their into a new reproving

that you can do all of those things as far as you can possibly take them, it doesn't happen. Just be one thing: if you like music, you can take music as far as you want, and then you can also pursue science and you can also pursue flying in and so it's you know, there must be something. There must be some thing about what drives you are how how you'd, how you do that other than much seem fun like you. Obviously, you seem like a chill guy but you're you're Wikipedia page would suggest that you're not a chill because you're a lot of stuff, but I guess I just want to take it. As far as I can go. You know four for share, so what so, to? What is your? What is your doctoral programmes like now does it involve on a daily basis in and how does it play a year I mean, like I said before, had done with the majority of the work works, taken the classes in Yemen. He's really gnarly oral exams where all the professors try to make. You feel, like you, don't know anything

sure it's grilling profit hazing. Basically, your eye that that's all kind of dominant and they were you'll see, was actually super super cool when they said you can come back. You know. It's been eighteen years or whatever, and you can just pick up. We left off no, no remedial work just go ahead and finish so that's been really great and what I'm doing is mostly right now, a computational which these. I can do research on the computer and write it up and out on a silly, I'm not reporting to the lab every morning. If you know what I'm right so that way, I can still do what I'm doing I'm goin on tour, and you know the bands of very part of my life. Obviously noodles can only Most people are getting blown by groupies in your sequencing rna. Please, Wincing RNA. That's right cover. Dearborn already trying to real performing dynamite I've tried to read my biology people,

a Buzz Lightyear HIV better, I mean from a scientific point of view what so, what? What are you? What is it specifically that Europe to discover by sequencing the RNA right. What I do know how to detail the get a ride trying to keep it were hits bidding. Did you just say just say whatever you think people if they get it, they get it, they don't die right away. I think genetics supercool there I set it right here- goes all the way back to figure out what The color flower is going to be even across him and all that stuff in different things come out at different times like discovered. Dna was agenda. Material that was amazing in eighteen, fifty three and then they discover other things. One way: it was really cool in and one of the latest things in the last ten years or so they discover the single Micro rna. So they are RNA which is like DNA, but a little different, but the very small, thus the micro and that's why no one discovered him before, because they were hard to see sure there are very small,

but what they do is they latch on to bigger are and by catching on they shut him off so is essentially an off switch. For your genes and freer body to be healthy. You have to turn genes on and off times you want to grow. Sometimes you dont want to grow. That sort of things will be on off. Switch is a really important in Micronesia, unimportant off switch shore and then, but it's never just a simple shutting something like. I would assume that if you start shutting things off that it has an effect because there is, you know we are a holistic entity, and so, if you start fucking with one thing than something else could put, truly suffer for sure right. So there s three ways to shut off the oft wish to turn it on that whole thing go. It gets very obviously super super complicated, and I think viruses are really interesting, they're, obviously that you know a huge cause of human suffering, which is a great reason to have to look into him and see. If you can figure some. But there is also something about it. That is just so evil

the another not considered living organisms? They can't reduced by themselves. They have the day after. In fact you in order to make new copies of themselves shirt people don't know like a typical virus will go intellectual atop yourself like Eluder Lander, it injects its dna and the DNA tells the cell don't make any more of Europe. You now only going to make more viruses it'll make like a hundred viruses in the last instruction is now blow up and in those hundred viruses go out. Virtually cells nets. So gnarly right. It's like an incredible evasive. Sounds like agent Smith, describing humans to Morpheus in the matrix. Here. That's really idea of vital, but it's from the from from its point of view, it's just trying to survive, just trying to survive right and the arms the arms race that so what they do, what virus?

do, as they figure out how to mess up what's going on in the cell. If this certain processes posed to happen, they figure out how to too high jacket or whatever, and so some viruses actually make Micro Renee. They somehow figured out how to do that and they can shut off things in the cell. What that they want to turn off. So that's a pretty amazing and we're trying to understand how Michael armies be used in and in an HIV infection in its path genesis, and see for some way. Basically, we want understand, as we can interfere with it sure so is it is it? Is it a question of duplicating a or our copying like a white hat virus? Were you essentially send a virus to attack of about another virus. You can, if you know what a micro irony is, what it does. You can actually make an ant time like aren't. I can synthesize it

throw it in the south and it all little neutralize it and how far away are we do you think from really being able to use this technology there doing that with certain liver diseases? I guess what the liver, it's an easier organ for people to mess around, with, the answer actually couple of infer. I think it's Hepatitis c there's some drugs and development stuff their actual anti micronesia. While so it's pretty made It is here it's here they're doing they just gotta figure out how to deal with all the different cell types and viruses. What do you teach it all over now, because what s interesting about just listening to the way, the way that you expressed what you're working on and also what you said earlier about how sometimes you had to kind of dumb down your speech so that people understand what you're talking about you. You have your expressing your expressing these ideas and very like

you're spirits, pressing science and hang out terms yeah what sort of like yeah? Well, you know this one, this one viruses like a douche bag over here, so this other one's got. You explain you explain in kind of in just sort of colloquial language like what's going on. If I think you could be a very valuable teacher or perhaps over operate ever Ribby Electra Series are an app or you explain, should anything would listen to you. Thank you had I think it's important. I think it's actually a part is really the mixed school. So difficult is the people that know so much about it. There so up in the language, and all that that that the communication of it is not really very good ass. We turned so many students off better. If you did explain it like so bro, viruses gnarly you're, so you feel like shit. This is why I think that would engage actually engaged students allow more when it yes, MIKE Bro Bio,

gee, that's what you need to be. Do you fucking buildings you could do was because it is it is. It is I wonder what the margin of error is with with people who simply because they had a poor communicator as a teacher that didn't understand something or didn't pursue, something that they otherwise would have had an aptitude for if they had just if it just. It just seems like a like a language issue. It is at times I think even I've run across some people. I mean- and this is in a dishonest seegars use- he's been really really good to me. They been greatly, but did you see sometimes and other people professors is almost like. If you don't know, you're just gonna have to figure it out, because I had to struggle with it and stuff and sea and of going back to textbooks in that second, very difficult like if you're gonna like if

your car has troubling go to the mechanic. If the guy, who just explain to you, could probably do half of it yourself right now that he's not going to help you, you got in here, like you're, gonna, have to suck it up and figured out and spend a thousand hours learning how the car reader works in you don't do it, so I guess what turns off a lot of people from fixing their own cars sure. Well, that that mean there. There is that sort of like the previous generation struggle, unveil ignored this sought for me. So this is gonna, be sorry for you, but I have to That's what it is or what yeah I mean I like to say, is not rocket. Science and sometimes rocket science really is rocket. Scientist of, but you can, you can break down things into similar principles at her. Easier to understand tat, I believe you have a responsibility. Educator to put this information out and then see no great you, you could give a lecture and then please play a couple minutes right.

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in every finished. She now I hope to finish in annex six twelve months. Oh wow, then what I now exactly apparently after becoming teacher you you could just as they reside gig. You know six six month teaching six the Turin, I'm really not sure we're gonna go. Maybe there is a really cool. Steve jobs speech where he said he was under different stuff but didn't know what it was in a key really like computers, but he really like calligraphy. It was years later that it came together as the what you see is what you get rehab your fancy. Thoughts on this guess oven,

I'm going to see this like that. We're I'm not sure where it's gonna we're gonna, take me we're off its in, but we'll see but its, but it. But again it's more about. I like the fact that, for you, the actual Phds sort of secondary to the journey of it, which I guess you know by always try to convey this to people like you know, goals are their sort of a road map. I think the Del Valle kind of point you in a direction, but what you become from the journey is like that's the meat, that's the most important part for sure for sure, and this one's been difficult in certain ways to because it's just a mountain of knowledge show it's actually been, is pretty tough to get through all all the material and stuff that, but it's great regret, I'm gettin there is navigating the music business tougher than navigating thine is hit. Those people are asshole, the idea like I say that journey

and then I just I loved loved every time is like. While you mean, if I want to play your club, then you're Cosette, and then I call you ten times a day. We play you know like that was a different kind of learning experience. Yeah. Do you think you do you think you will always have music in your life? there's a certain point where you like? I did that for sure fish. For sure I mean I I love Biology- and I like it even more now and stuff, but he ethic when your care, like the bad thing, is like well, that's that's a big deal and that still hasn't has gone away. Yet we still love you know getting out on stage and playing stuff, and I love songwriting, of course, and making wreckers cause you're you're. Just like you getting something you want to come to life in, but when you play the show Is that immediate reaction of the crowd and stuff and we're very lucky we just place and shows last week in and it was it- was that people Justino singin along, in other words a staffing and their young too. In their eyes,

Agent, whenever, in their into it, you know you're the closest thing that the world has to a buck. Eurobonds never grow. You wash that movie like a year ago, as I had heard references about, and I gotta see this kind of funny movie right- they may try, they tried it out. We would like the movie the movement of eating. A writing out. I've been right is the concept of a It was flawed. I write it was definitely there was a fund movie, but you know rockstar scientists in its. You might hold the key to some type of weird dimensional portal. Maybe I'll see what I can do about that

When you, when you did you take a significant amount of time off like it at a certain point, did you decide I just I can't take the music stuff anymore. I just need a break from it. I have to recharge. I have to kind of hole up for a while yet we cannot do that after what we call a record cycle, because you know you spend a long time working on the record and then you're out playing for people. You know she can be on tour fur. Well before you know it is two years and half years because you ve spent a year and a half million a year on the rosy you have to recharge a little bit, we ve never like taken like a full on year, long sabbatical or anything like that, but we have to be asked to take time off wanting that we do was when we go on tour. We don't go for two months at a time matches two gnarly. So we try to keep to three weeks in Indians are being maybe four weeks or somethin. Somehow I was a little longer that some guys, some

people really just love being on the road there like they can't have a guy on a place, but I'm never at it. You know like they're, just on a tour bus yeah, you're, like Bob Dylan, did like two hundred and seventy days last year, something my Shanghai cries. God bless him for him as amazing, but that would that's not me. I can do that. Do have kids yeah, how many kids to two kids yeah or they do they have an aptitude for science or music, that you ve noticed music, music for sure do and, as apparent do you feel like you're. The Davos now were kind of force, some difficult a forest the king was shut up tat. I want to be a banker you know like you, ve met with the, or do you just sit back and let him figure other owns enough. I have a friend who decided that he wanted Kizil be cool with music, so he told them that country was really cool for a long time, so said country so grace, grace or that they were rebelled against the country, s and listen to music.

I mean we have a ten year old and she's. Actually, she's really the ban, which is which is cool, because I know that that's going to change when they hit twelve or some there's a certain age where there's just no You can like anything. Your parent does also that day's coming, but right now so ok, yeah yeah boat, when she sixteen surely only hidden or class, into like fusion jazz. I just nothing. Rock oriented for me. I have to totally rebelled, that's what you say, but could we I look? I love classic country hated it when I was growing up to my dad, listen to it in the car all the time and the fact that it annoyed my mom and most we thought it was funny or so it was all you know I mean like it was all when Jennings and all I really intense country and now like I really current country music, I'm not I'm not some effect as it so much pop I really like a good country saw now. It's so true. Dexter country, music is so true. Now,

I can go as far as Johnny Cash. As you know, we on Jennings willing else in for sure I get it for sharing and there is. There is a real. You're talking about just talking to the people, I mean ass, the ultimate format for that right. Yet so how's your voice hold up now with shows that you're You can be a little screaming, sometimes so that's that takes it all it yeah it hurts. My my throat pretty much sore, alter tour going to do. You know you see bands like a lot on traffickers. Somebody's things really easy, like a boot a guy. You know like I'm, Michael's really graves are really supervise. Ganem and amazing. Singer was, like fact, sing like that. I don't have to go out and. Green at the top of my existence or is it going to go in comedian play and they show up because we have two tracks in a pay. The payroll crazy, you know, is making any money and the comedian guy shows up

the stool and a glass of water like re fuck, no, the great yeah! I don't do soundtracks on their like. You want to do a sound check, and likewise I am talking just turn the microphone. You made a good decision as well as just because I'm listening all comedians want to be rock stars, but I also think all rock stars wanta be fine, so there is like, I think there is we're on both sides of the fence. Gone three ran right I don't know, I guess you could get. You need to do is sides podcast right. This is how you can educate people cover your science. Responded. Please do that don't mean deals only with with excitement. Only in talk just broke yeah. Yes, I mean this is really. Kidding we did you like a coup animation and you could narrator. You could explain. You can explain already.

Broad terms, and I honestly think I think there would be some people who would find it funny for ironic reasons and then there would be brows would be like a fact that sick you know like they would really. They will really understand it. I like this links, it's happening here feels like something that we need to be working on together, I'm very excited about it. I mean it's so often I think people you seem to be someone who really does kind of live in the present at what I mean is. Why said, we're gonna do when you're done besides, I don't know I don't know what I'm gonna get my phd. I'm just doing it now like that's you living in the moment and enjoying it, and I think that's that's such a good. Take away that such a good that such a good way to live because so stressful too, to fret or worry about.

Was- can haven't twelve months, I'm not going to want to do. I don't know air and it comes from a good place of you're trying to protect yourself, but its creates more worry tat. They may be. I think, because what we do for a living, the ban like you're, always thinking that will the bank could be over at any moment. You know which is true. It's gonna happen. What happened? Almost everybody general stones, I guess he's a billion rise on the road, so maybe he's gonna have to live with that uncertainty and I don't know. Maybe that's even a motivation like you know, time is short yeah get it done, do which again yeah. Is there anything else that you haven't? You mean are there any other any other fields or any other pursuits that you go? You know what I've done. What this only give it a try, scuba yeah

We can. Indeed, I ask you what we call, because at least that's recreational activity. Could she said? How often do you fly? You have to fly a certain amount of money to keep your your license. It's not really like that, but there are certain requirements to stay current or whatever yeah, but I fly probably three times a week. Actually, oh wow, you fly to your own. You place up your own good sometimes prints on how far and that sort of thing- and it actually lot of us we're going to or I'll bring a pilot along anyway possesses. Does too many jobs right to do once, but I really like it- I mean you for some people. They have golf ass kind of what I have comparative like sitting flying planes a little more intense than

Maybe you know what a hole in one fly and I got a wife. What have you learned, I'm kind of interest to find out what each skill set has taught you for your life, like what lessons has having to focus on being a pilot taught you and how have you been able to apply how'd you they will do apply each discipline to eat jamming out You know I've wanted to start over that. I dont look at it. That way, it is kind of you all is what it is. I guess all different size of mayor whenever, but I think the thing about flying that is that it teaches you. Is you gotta, be you gotta pay attention like you gotta beyond your shit, you know when it's time for that,

and it's easy to kind of go through. Could I do you go through a week and I really penetration aware you drive in whatever, but like this really gets you d like focus and pay attention in, and you know the ownership, and I should like than about that- that's really cool and also there's a great freedom to stuff. You know when you that's the reward, the pay off as Europe there and you flying in you can you can actually fly pretty much wherever you want without talking anybody. If you really or to its. Not always the safest thing to do better, but there are sometimes you're like you now I want to go to Vegas in. I just want to go, and I want to talk to anybody you take off in the tower and you're on your own in and his grey, it's like the most amazing feeling the world to be up there and flying around plain and you'd know one around. So is it? Are you? Are you see or flying on instruments of? What is this? Does the plane fly itself for most of the way and you'd have to keep it on course, or has it

yeah, but I mean you're gonna do both you know it depends what you feel like. Sometimes it's like. I want to drive the boat surgeons hang out here. Do some turns Likud, the ground? That's amazing! I just I just don't know I'd be feeling I would get up there and then go she's really cool way. I'm stuck what am I doing down here. I was blind near Palmdale the other day and looked out and like my cancer fuckin drone and visitors, With that, I would like an F sixteen chase plain. That was like a couple miles away. There we're going to get me anything happen to be in the neighborhood, but that was pretty amazing. Wrong thing. I just don't. I just don't know how it's a viable path for humans to start littering. The lower skies with devices like it's just seems like a horrible catastrophe waiting to happen. The sums gonna happen right. I mean there's no way when everyone can have a drone and they start crowding the summons at across into something or they're gonna crashing

air and land. I could just it just feels bad. It's it's gonna be bad, because there's no regulation or out right now, but most ladrones, don't really go that high. They probably go to five hundred thousand feet, and so most aeroplanes will be above that within a minute or so after they take on so not quite the same airspace usually at, but they will be right as it remove. Have you heard a couple of stories where there's been draws were like In thirty, seven captain saw one like pass off his right wing Tippit like eight thousand feet, or some like yeah, really close, oh yeah. Well, of course, because people are obviously you know, people are obviously going to push the limits as much as they can. And then something horrible is going to happen in the UK. Now we have to know what sort of a it's like regulation by disaster. I guess we need a rule for that now, because that just cause thing but we're living is different about drugs is when you fly or an airplane. You have you have a really good incentive to fly, it well

Is it you want to leave you? Don't nessus you're, not you're, not thinking of the same sense of risk winner flyers router, you ain't! That sort of thing you having some drone is is one step above a video game, gets urea, barely not a video game, and that the fact that you know there are basically a bunch of punk, kids and weekend dad's who have the capability to throw something into a flight is very upsetting and I just tried I try not to think about it. What do you think is the most of what we think is the most portance science thing going on right now: there's so much stuff going on right, dummy drones, huge just because it out impacts people shorter? Here they have my things molecule algae, but that really is it still kind of in this phase where to growing very fast. If you think about it, away, like they say with physics, is like well, Newton FEAR

most of that stuff in sixteen hundreds and then Einstein attitude a little bit, but it that that goes lot more slowly, but there are literally finding things every couple years and molecular biology. So it's the biotech is basically I'm talkin about sure, because its tied to that sort of you know it's tied to the kind of bastardize version of more law rights. Was your technology increases than year you they will apply that and discover, and does it just you know, do do you ever? Does it ever been your mind just think like? Well now you know now we know that there is this now we know that there is this kind of like Micro RNA, but this gotta be unstuck under that and there's gotta be stuff under that, and it is because that that you know that ancient Greek, like it's just infinite, you know there will be something else right right and surely will be It amazing that, like third, it's kind of like their tinkering like

you can take a cancer cell and you can put under a microscope- and you can do your thing to it and you can kill it like they actually have lots of ways of killing cancer, but they can only do it in a specific environment like a test tube or whatever, but even at their at that point, either at the doorstep of being able to people fur almost any disease, a surety amazing yeah. I mean I would imagine that you know jumping repatriated to something like the human body is probably you know. I mean that that that does feel like up of light year, absolutely right of a job, but you can you can see it there, she's really cool it's just which is right. There well, is there anything? Is there anything specific you want to? You want to plug the? U and applaud the album marijuana plug anything before we before we? Let you go right right now. I have a huts us. Oh that's right! That's us at that meeting.

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