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Fella who Dean have created? This amazing show called south side on comedy central, while simultaneously they created a musical variety. Sketch comedy show called. German showcase, which was on I see, and now that has been absorbed by AMC as well so runs on. I see an aim c and if that's that he also on the music side, help put together the music with a direct. Baby driver so he's he just literally does everything incredibly talented super nice guy and he and his writing partner bashir- are legit comedy gene so they ve already made amazing stuff. Now- and I am just so excited to see what amazing huge things that they're they're gonna create in the future. So it was a real pleasure to have him on and therefore shows side. You can and should watch is on com,

Central and coming controls put those efforts up on the internet as well as Sherman showcase black history months, spectacular special for they do. My teeth, Sherman Showcase marathon on I have see, begins at four p M Pacific and then the special airs at eight p M Pacific. Meanwhile, the special errors on AMC at seven P M Pacific. So they go. It's you. You actually could watch the special on here seven and then jumped back over and see it on. I have see at eight so there you go. Congratulations to Bashir and the ILO for two fantastic shows running simultaneously that are both gonna make more episodes. So here's the eighty twenty number ten, seventy six with Dielo Riddle,

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that you brought your five minutes and where do you think it's do anything. I always say like. There's no excuse for creators now tonight make whatever they want, because we have all these resources and are at our feet that we didn't have you're a few years younger than I am, but do you use? So you must you remember the pre social media, video upload era and the post era. Would you have preferred to grow up now, or do you like kind of having the analogue backgrounds that you grew up in man? You know that I bought these turntables on. I apply for a credit card and bought turntables. Ninety ninety six, you know like the first I got is a cost and I was like a really want to do this now. The freshman, a card they always think, maybe by allowing them to do as they like Thousand dollars fare better operate

years like I'd, never made more rights and about the gardener tables takeovers. Remember name, and I go for that it is like the lie outside the door, it makes us all like a wonderful camera. Obscura is legal, Let me position now. Am I caused the better? the growing a shadow on my face. So I didn't We gonna like a couple of seconds bad debt, MRS Villiers knocked in it. I just ripped the audio off these anyway said others great. Oh, my god. I thought this is just. Doing video so that cause I just I just like being able to talk to people. Right now, I love is by the way I'm gonna keep a jacket on, because it tells the kid that I'm work either thus Agamemnon. So let me ask you about that with its during the virus right because you, your schedule, like the number

You work at a lot of stuff and you work out a lot of really great stuff to outline. What, when I think about especially now every We feel like you would you would you say now, like you feel, like you sort of past you you're like job so the next day I feel like you're, jumping to the next level career wise. How does it feel to you, I'm a little bit. Look I'm really happy that you know like you're talking about kids and go away because I was this- gave us does your mother. I love you. It is through the ball to distract very lonely, realized brazier lightweight, is a good. I was showing the ball. I was it that you're making me tasted then needed maybe babe do my watching Desmond birthday. Watch it Desmond, I'm gonna, do it up? I guessed right now. Is that ok? Ok, I love you thanks

it's never gonna sound like a real thing, no matter how many, no matter how big podcast get, no matter, how much you know no matter, much money comes into broadcasting when you say Daddy's doing a podcast it just never gonna sound like a real thing right dad. What when you're The EU can help our outside as they think I'm looking like this give them man targets were repeated ghetto. Daddy's doing by gas. Now what that bit by bit, I gave you a bargain, more than about as yet no Europe ask about local feels right now. I would say that the M that it does get ready and it s even just a year ago. You know we were on the cracks. Two shows that were really well received bad He had seen them yet America, it was seen the shows one is: who is that most people have Yahoo or access to absolute and then

there's no deputy know. We were just that up to date, we have season two on both shows, I'm so excited about bad, so season to have Sherman as you said yourself that isn't to us outside was announced a little bit ago, like maybe not over, but season to assurances brands. Banking information has just announced today. Take you with the additional when and vigour The fact that it is also now and AMC show in addition to justify it, seashell plastic, which saw yeah, and now I'm angry, because I also work for frame, so I could have gotten in administering yeah. I could have gotten and begged him to get a job. It's ok! I didn't. I didn't back at game it well, this is their tacit news. This means number one you dont, get you don't have the money? Did you really? I just got here

I had my way just woke the garage doors, the method it didn't I'll tracking, with what people think about gas is by the way. I'm, so this is not happening at all any time this week is Gary any rate like out of any for this to happen, and this is the perfect one. So you are totally fine. Having assailants right now died the man, I think, if anything everyone? Maybe we can do a one off talking Sherman at the end of the seas that are talking. Sherman would be a fantastic. I would do a talking German and you have to come on talking dad if your got up and walked all by the way I have never, but I feel like there's a whole thread of my eyes of my phone, which is just my family members across the country and that breast about the time they got to terminus and it's never. Every single brand? Besides, this one time where my sister spring will say: oh no, I have, unless you dont know about those, don't tell me about it. I don't think that I didn't know

is the walking dead, shut out and absurd works outside when after pulls out what he calls Lucille Dragons, which I dont want to spoil anything blood's. Yes, definitely worth a lot of people haven't seen Saturday, the shows great any in it, and you know having all these things fall into place, especially now is such a beautiful time, because the rapid that's. Why we're having a stance of tablets sands for what the business was it you know before March thirteenth you know cause it has. It was already rapidly changing and then the virus just accelerated the Why are the damaging yeah? the present I mean like the number of people. Efforts to save money, because many site out there right now. You know, like the number of people who you know cancelled, descriptions to base a cable. I mean like ineptly, if that's the new, no tab the ecosystems that we need to make our living through its Canada Harry.

But you know that was already accelerating as well, so we know between go into streaming, believing you know bright alike. Prison who writes shows. I often think now will do I. Where do I put this and I always want to know right off the bat like, whereas the streaming side of it, because I do think that people do get a lot of their not one screaming. It's almost like you're, not existing even with assurance, ok, special, if will say what you like AMC they like it's gonna be Annette Legs, always gonna, be with guidelines even come on tv up, as you can look up at night today window before goes the streaming. You know we're just all learning as we go. I wish I let them were simple time. There's a part of me this like and just to have two shows on the year. Nineteen. Seventy six that woman and say you know yeah, We, like forty million people, a night, would watch what

The people in your cancel bell- I don't worry, I won't take it. Take twenty million people have forever you're you're you're finished in this business I want to sell it to go back and see like what pink lady and just made the got them cancelled at the three of us as their bride. You like fifty miles Yours is that they like that every step would have definitely been an insane number. And now you know now, like people are like hey a compliment, people watch this network show that's a big deal right, gonna get a million people to night and turn into a shop. So yet a fortnight corresponds back into where I was for which is when you, when you have as much work that you have, which is writing work, which is which is focus. I can I force. I can't be distracted while I'm writing, but you know, there's a, but you also have a family at home to take kids to how many kids you have

absolutely every boys, three boys so during the quarantine? How have you how have you and your wife and time to ballots temper yourselves balanced time for the kids bounds time for your work? it interesting, I feel like you know, and this is a challenge in Brittany, such wonderful, wonderful partner. If you, cheese, deadly on ninety percent of the watch, the children low. During these times, I'm she's an accomplice. For she is a choreographer on german showcase, and she also has like a party planning service. I got rid of my party- but at the end of the day, during this time there are a lot of parties and then a lotta, choreography gig said she singing. That burden, even as I feel like in some ways, my work is wrapped up? It's been, you know very busy period in terms of writing, because there is this restart me about ascribes to shoot when we can go. The shooting,

Should they season to us outside of Spanish, like we were written, the scripts now will be happening begging, rewrites, I'm sure we're gonna have to go back. Read some of these groups. As you know, we have seen the parade we have things about your stadium, legates didn't like we want in that thing. From the second or third matrix. Where are they having that rave underground? And everyone was like mirroring all over again, I think we're not gonna, be able to do that anymore or not gonna be received that seem by the way the person might eat and saw that the United States. I would merely wondered what movie I walked into was It was strange, it was then that was at the moment we are talking about- maybe going back and rewriting some of the scenes and episodes of it you don't have like there's literally Soami Kobe. Friendly scenes in the currencies in society as currently red light. We have a whole where there's a tornado crowd like twenty five characters into a basement like we can

Would you like a handshake incompetence just like as an issue remains even possibly get but Also it I think it's Just so much more aware now I feel like than we ever had to be about that whole you're, a step you just never had to think about before. That. Now is not only you have to think about it, but strongly informs that kind of stuff that you can even do any more on every level on every level and then just dumb, you actually mind- deserve zoom rooms as much like. The writing, writing a show with a group of people in a zoom is not as much money as being all gathered around the table, but it still still moments where everybody is like in tears and lapping deliriously in that that part of it is still the same, I will say we better, what do you do better a job in the Rome it doesn't hurt

is much because you can gotta get get a couple of nervous and and like like cat, I went off any move up I assume, like nobody laughs and he can. Gonna be like is my immunity. Guys, like you know me read like self like communicable. Yes, you are not tonight it's pretty painful, but but yet we don't know what we can shoot. We don't know when were shooting another Some people are getting better shooting a lot of an reality stuff the story, maybe as early as this week but everything else. We just gotTa John Legend, fathers day special which is coming on Sunday, and that was all drone shots, and you know these giant. Agreeing you knows ABC, so they can afford like drones, I'd like all things are allowed. The group be completely distance It was still still just we just leaving only the house there. Shall be honest. Like you know, when I go out to pick up groceries, something that we absolutely need. I find them there.

We're the mood outside just to be weird, like the people who where a mask of my? Why are they not where mass the people bar where mass them, like you know, that's it just the whole. About there's really weird right now. It is very strong and I see more people not wearing, asks than wearing memory, mats, yeah yeah. I just kind of you like, ok, well, whether or not you believe that it helps? Like you know, it's probably just a nice sort of like Everyone just know that I care about all in all I care about, is your grandmother than I dare not year has The asthma yeah repeats that unites us. It is a matter of the people who can, or to stay home. The people who are you know taken this thing seriously. We're not be out on the street. Yes, you not doing stuff says really. Just the people who I feel like I probably thinking I would have no rights

Does the house that it is, self selected, grew by withdrawing dislike, go a return, so the restaurants and returning to the gems right now, you know I mean like there only way you see the people. She do see out their pride, not the ones who are gonna. Be that adapting. Where am I, I saw a report were like one in two Americans. One in two fifty percent you, like the only gonna where mass, sometimes you know so that such a weird suggested Will we get to do it's gotta, be honest and is going to do this sometimes and if I'm really being honest, probably not that much at all, if I'm being honest yeah when I wrote you been hoping you know, you'll be I carry one. I mean it one of my back pocket right now, like I got a bunch of these in there just easily washbowl, and I just put our I put it on and you know it.

I just feel you know how to tell I don't mind like it's, not that without them it harder to just do this. If it, you know that keeps gives up, ruin safe, but I'm extra work is my wife has Jason Kidney stuffed, it would not be greater. She got brain right. I let you know I think the best either that's the way to go and you nobody wants to be lectured. You know I was a bridge too, but you know trust them where's the numbers are not going. Down the way that we like to think. They are so. I will just encourage people to just look at another interested as pilots, they trust or instruments. You know the instrument savage losing out to do. You know mega course direction? You know right now. Excess Arizona, Lord, I just you, know they're not doing you're not doing it. So Europe does take that. As you backed her now, we paused to thank the sponsor for this so the idea, antibiotic guest re kind, your buds, you may notice, if you knew a lot of other podcasting

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You know it's crazy. I feel like I feel like there were several comedy tracks and private there? The guys who went out for the you know the improper groups and sort of what this year, and I would simply do we knew we were the silly youngsters at that table when everybody else is getting gray grades, without a b you not has to go to the table, make everybody laughed priorities. But then there were these other those hold other check, the lamp being tracked and I got to say, and I said I hope I Anybody, but you know that who is a lot like a college I changes out. Every four years is no institutional memory there so suddenly these are better than other for years and the four years that I was there I mean like I don't remember them ever putting on either that I thought was hilarious. You know what I wanted to read: Bunny College publication. I read the onion which was fully. I think that

was bullies, they'll. Just that you address. He was handsome it was actually another how many magna since I got dragging a rodent or whatever this, but by a completely We will have guys that we all really love without is really funny, but the fort. Those their culture I could not have seen myself pledging because you do at all pledge to be a member of the lamp earned but along the the second I graduated everywhere. Every time I went out for a job how did you do the lampoon? And I was like the analysis What MILAN, I wish you and I are comedies- never, maybe because we didn't go through that represent a camp of the lamp Even to this day, when we're hiring writers for our rooms, all riddle I actually read a wounds alumni. Submission Matthew, log up and those brilliant she squarely is clearly very funny, so we're not it hence there, but I do feel like

sometimes time this overstated. This idea that, like our recovery, writers, r, r, r, anyway, sometimes a, whereas I've met a couple of guys like that is getting higher because even though he is not dead what? What did you study? Man, yeah. I could have done better. I went in there as econ major been echoed the matters just kick him a battle I measures is Heaven applied mathematic version of economics and it was really just. It was applied mad that I was I'd. Never I was always Giddens widely read that, since drowning like no matter how hard I study, I cannot get this and add, I'll. Never forget that the president was ATO and Otto psychologist keep trying the other, but, like I couldn't get it like that best german axis- I couldn't do not use them

What size which do? You humanities, like a like a good kid who wanted this keep making aid and and I history and I took the american sectional prices, because I'd up in the south and when you grow up in the South Yorkshire, they simply civil war, markers and plaque right, loving just reading. Knowing everything there was to know about the civil war. I grew up on a creek in Georgia, in the battle Utah free. I love the fact that there have been a battle of the civil war like right behind my house at one point so that that became my love my interest in them started, became my love story, Until that point, all writing I done had been political Kennedy School and the Harvard Political Review Albert after I sort of discarding of historic all my work became fiction again, as I went back to the third Reich new right by novels with rice readily world war, two black spy, who somehow they will to infiltrate the Nazis and kill him. You know that

your definitely going to write that rights I mean like Paul, is definitely a thin my mom Saint Aubert. What's that I published, about my elementary school. They found but I was a writer so lacking in kindergarten. Ironically, I published a book called them the truth. Book a dinosaur is and all the parasites buried the true but, like all the rest were laughing and network any delay. Plagiarism. I just poppy passages out of my favorite books about dinosaurs, but between that and then by the age of tat. By the time as eight I was really in world war. Two Indiana Jones had an effect on me? I don't know everything about the matter, he's in the allies. I plead access and allies without reason. You know I just that That's where my arm ass for my writer bug country, but also your sketch group at Harvard

wasn't just you and Bashir, but also why its neck was then it and Robin feeding like I was. I sketched room after collars I was I was Africa yeah we had nothing going on and I was in a sketch brew. And she was in another sketch people we're still friends of the one day we sat down- and I was like you know what I like my sketch group, but where's the co pilot. I could never be the pile but year was like you know they always make me the chef with figures apple bad language. Warm. I got all black sketched route which at the time is amazed at their word. Many of them there were that that many of those- and I we decided we were going pull away from Mars. Moreover, the I'd like I we're gonna go alone, black sketch group, and we and we audition and the people. In addition, I have all that much better greater stoplight, may this year Robin Daily, why it's an this address, Avatar Spencer make a king resigned. Hbo euphoria, just every in our group is registrar. Can I like?

degree suddenly still stands at I'd, rather be re texting e right before I will, regarding the second graduates Nazis into evolve. Friends. We always talk about doing a reunion show one that is regularly nor Einstein when we, So when you do it, when you're in these other sketch groups that you break away from our used, are you Will they have conversations like hey you know, can we talk about like different types of roles are different? You know I'm submitting these, sketches and they're not getting through, or what's that I mean what are the conversations around the harmonization was pretty sure it was just like hey. Can I can I do something, other than, but you know, I would always driver, may go a meal Adam Smith, and so this I'll, never get the time that they made me, though, by when I read about where violence is a much better part, I just decided. I was gonna just really eat up that one I happen to know them quietly died. I just

big. I merely want bay, but the audience ate it up and I was like a case of sometimes it can be funded, difficult fire, but really it was just a matter of you knows, and I think this still the case, because you know my wife when she does as you want to do more like comedy, pornography she joined dad just That's easy be here in a leg and see now that, like even more than ever, like there's so much power takes in there's so much just interpersonal politics, go into which Harold we join and an end, I think anybody who it was until you see beer or I or any those ways, the second city you know, just so much that goes into which group you get to join in and yes top man. It's really tough, you know, people don't always gets it being the group there would have been something

you make the group that you want and then did it did it immediately feel like? Oh, yes, this is what I have been at least GAD. So now data biggest Papa Comedy central stage, but back then we were able to. We actually bought seven hundred and fifty dollars and burning MAC. One of our addresses was appear. The burning mad. So and she went to burn it like hey. We want to read, space to put up a sketch out and by the way. This is like that no youtube. Yet I want to say that there was I'm using, I've been there, but people still really wanted to be uneasy bombs world. That was that we would like the tonight with scant David. So you didn't. I e by world. Are you so That was the goal, but if you couldn't do that, and you had to tell people hey, I'm really funny person. Where you can find me, you can send only gonna be like you have to help in your car

six thirty and be across now on Santa Monica and points area at seven o clock and see me on a stage where I'm going. We have enough people, there were not the only person in the audience, but the very for some reason that's good show up tat. So we had no united people there, standing room only at a kill, and every day that we wrote really wrong and and and that when all we know that we are on the right track, I just to give you a short. Where we went from there. We started shooting videos for you to one of them. Went viral video call copyright. Wraps, but it got to me indeed, in a day back when I was good enough to do so this year yoga, as I we're gonna, be the Jap guy sure enough you know we got it. We went to ask for the economy possible and Jimmy balance or some of our work, and then he hired is because he is taking over the night show about the late night sitting, Overlaid made from Conan and out

I was in our lives, change the way back up our lives. We moved to New York. We are therefore for years, writing slow down the news, and to a rapid, a bunch of real housewives of late night comedy in and the same alot of fine, I'm thirty and it was you know that was that was our break into this business, sketched sketch and improperly I feel I have such a leg up in the business, because you are your writers and performers. And you know how to produce like you, have to know how to produce it. It really just seems to encapsulate you know, stand up is its own specific thing that a lot of times can be difficult to translate into other parts of business. But when you do what you do, you learn. So many different facets of the basics of storytelling storytelling as quickly as possible, again producing writing acting all the different elements make lighting music in all the different elements that make a show of show ends

I gotta had never thought of it like this before and so interesting, because I've spent most of my creative life in being the people who can get I would just make Intel jobs a room full of people who don't know them. Sometimes their drunk colonel Winchester You know I got like I said so much respect as I. I would love you stand up. I don't I don't understand it. I don't think you can be necessarily talk to a person, even though there in times of life like a black, ever slows down and get a sign up like a introductions. Stand up classes and boy, bad men do that, but I do think you're right about production element, because when you scared you just doing it on a stage yet to figure out. Ok, we have this much money, so we're gonna spend but on ways than this much I costumes we're gonna train, everybody just a little bit of it like that. Baseline, very basic, production and near I like that, that's inside of it that I feel like you only get when you did.

Honestly anybody working at S, I was sad or destination all those writers had to produce their own bit. So when you them at my name in the morning and Eureka back with decisions about which sketches are gonna, be the show that I live in the new two hours to rewrite do some basic pre production and Walkman Jimmy River Jimmy and then for them. Two hours, three hours, you're literally running around every department trying to figure out. Ok, I need this much. You know we need the time to work with the rules on the song me, those waves, that you know that air die and, like all that somehow begun by the time the audience building at five o clock now, everybody's working from home now so as much deeper bees no, how you produce these shows in the in a environment. It seemed like like everybody's doing much, or implement discussion type up in the schedule have been greatly toned down, but as we are fine

back seem it'll be interest, but I just think has sketch I mean first wife, you could do stand up, because if you just did it upon, you figure it out, and you know what status to sketch people is like appearance in trying stand up are also letting stand up is really it's. It can be high. When you don't do it a lot of time to think about it, because what you don't realize is like oh you're, to think of it as some other thing. Oh, when you're doing state of you drink some of the thing, but it's just. The more you you can try out on stage like you're the thing in that kind of hard to conceptualize at some point, because you don't want me, I don't know what you know, but then the more you do it. You figured out but with the least was sketch people too. You can probably right from the point of view of like the character the ILO first and then that I'm retired, before I'm not gonna lie that has such an answer. Maybe I should pretend like the riddles character, and this right, as I have otherwise I will say: have ridden not stand.

Material, but like there's a prevailing new games, as one time was like. I just want you guys to tell me, like some areas, that you think I'm right by stand up to and so then we would just like Do the news and I pull out things that had happened, to say hey, we think these are interesting, takes on what's happened, and then he would often right, but but maybe it the big all I need to write as wasn't Chris Rock, but like about like. Oh I'm here its and stuff in the voice of Chris Wrong. I mean it, I guess, towards the height of like having it their voice to write in having uproot appeal evaded. You like, because we all know that Chris ROD go he's gonna be different from India CALL job is gonna, be my wines Joker something right now. But I just you know what I notice about in a particularly wish Alex outside. Is that your first episode already felt like it could have been seen. Three. You know where I think, because the characters are so well defined and an eye. I cannot, but wonder, do you think like when

you have such a strong background and sketch and putting on alive, show and you're doing a series of sketches giving fair to say, like there's really know tat, like all the characters have to be very clearly, for the audience because they have to know right away. They have to get right away what the angle The scene is so they can follow along with it. Yet you know we a couple of things, the first. I think one of the reasons why says I also lived in from the very first episode- is that we went out of our way to cast people who were not. There high when we went to Chicago and yet all auditioning there and In some cases they were just people from Bashir is passed as Bishop Rapid Chicago. I grab a he rubbish. It got up. So if there was a Durban drove a bus and that it might be. A guy who acts it might be a guy who exercise a bus, you don't mean Laden is actually

when seen in episode to where we were shooting on a business must be our version of speed, otherwise, the showed it makes a setback. We were shooting at episode. There was possibly taking place on a bus and the bastard It was just a natural Jakarta. Bus driver was saying tat I've made us last that we're turned the camera around him on. I mean I think some of that has to do with our time a balanced, because a balance cast on the show changed every day. Like? Every day there was a new guest eyes? He had to figure out what you know how to get them to fit into this fit into the shell and and similarly we would do alone. Work on says I would people who were not professional actors that they would funny people. So it's just a matter of getting them to stay themselves and not somehow become an actor portraying themselves so I think that's why the show felt like it could have been in season three, because those are real Chicago. You seen others

Is there very little artifice there? I think the most balanced presence eating one is probably little rail or maybe shall Mitchell but everybody in that shows is from Chicago, except for me, I'm the one faker we actually do. Seven season to be, I think, That is a lot of fun working on south side, because it sets there's so much about this just authentic. It is guess everything we win. The city and we had a very rigorous audition processing without some counted actors? ever done anything outside of theatre local later and so having that I for talent to does it Does it sort of make you go all? Why don't we go two more cities and find you know like. Instead of just you know the same pool of actors that does Does it sort of inspired ago you'd? Have we uncover this treasure? of people in Chicago. How many other cities have performers that we should seriously? I mean

listen. I should say that our first foray into scripted was actually show about Atlantic off brothers in Atlanta, because the show my home town, and it was the first we get after Fallon and we're in development it HBO for four very long years and if that is done, Let us remember, because we learned so much on that they were able to take those lessons in whereas even some others ideas in applying this outside, but I think it. My god like. I can't go to Atlanta without laughing, why there are so many personalities in the city of Atlanta talks to you like you. Can in line at the buys need you can be in a new light. He wanted are they talking there are respected and that act but I grew up hearing. My family, Spinelli I was, I was the weird located the neverland acted, but You know, like I wouldn't say my school is goody mob and we went to the rival high school about gas like those big accents, Other city, like I still dream, of doing a show in Atlanta one day, because I just me

Where is it boiling over with just by many people I would love to pull that out. What the hell are you, Are you starting to get to a point where it there's gonna, be imagine you're, probably at a point where there's much stuff coming in. Do you want able to say yes to everything, you saw that sort of that that that young performer, we're like, oh my god, I I gotta I can't say no to work like that. I worked for you know, but at a certain point manually have people only much energy in their bodies, and so how are you sort of staying? course in picking and choosing and making sure that, even if a weird way this industry, as we were sometimes choosing for it, is a project that you I would love to happen just like and tell you. This is happening But right now it looks like we're on hold and is only because the executive we ve been working with might be. You know.

We might be unceremoniously tossed out at some point. Even I mean like, and it kills me because this is an idea and I won't- I won't right now, cuz. I don't want to get in trouble, but, let's just say it's a spin off of a movie that I'm sure most people love, but they would not think there's a spin off there, but I've seen it eight million times and there's a character in a five minute. Seeing that I'm like what is that guy story, where's. The story is amazing, and then we ve got this entire like deep deployed. Age, outline of what his movie would be an I just, I really hope that it happens with partnered with, producers of the original movie- and this would be big news if it happens, but right now I don't what's gonna happen because again Some of the producers who were attached to the original movie are having a hard time with the right now, and you know I just hope they keep a job long enough, so they

you know we can make this movie, it would would be it would be ten year old, maids dream come true debate. This movie, I mean the thing about this business. Is that you never know like just when you ve never know which one's gonna go for. I sought out the actual answer to your question. Yes, you have ten ideas. Are you and my dear, he has always been like yeah. Have let's see where this goes, because you look at the next and all of a sudden is down to eight. You know never act, becomes, if you know they all go but this thing could he could that's a and in six problem to it's like all, never actually happened, but it but the, but I'm saying also that this thing could go away and then six months later, it's like overshooting it. Next week, weight loss, hey you guys had that spinoff idea. We love it put all of our eggs in one basket. It was called a There are three different residents of HBO. Will we write those one per cent this is our baby

and then, by the time we were being pushed out the door after making two pilots by the wind turbines, and I stand by them, my else took over and then by the time we were being pushed out, the door forget her third resident by the just a to seek out. Is that you love your high go away by you know we were serving under a third president. So is it finds out there, because you don't know which one is gonna actually make it all the way through. But you love that are your heart go away, but I think that's why I have to have a couple of wines out there, because don't know which one's going to actually make it all the way through? We were shocked that we, actually, but we never thought they make it a pilot. They both made the pilot made the violet, then they both major series and they both got We were shocked the big boat when for, but we never thought they both make it a pilot. They both made the it and they both major series and they both got one hundred percent around tomato late. Both got ten percent on rotten tomato, and I feel like at that point we felt like you know what the dreams that we have we first I ran this business days. They felt.

Because you know, even if shells and ninety nine percent lot a lot of the that we really did. Indeed got a hundred percent. We both in their very different, shows We put a lot a lotta hard, the both of them. We really did and you feel like having a partner like Bashir is that did that? Does that make the journey easier and sense because you have someone else to keep you going? I mean, do you guys is there? Is there are like is one of you more negative. They like ordeal trade off like how do you it's a total Loretta sometimes the public perception of mature and then the Allison eyes what it ensures that the shares the tough guy, like you really do in our own personal time. We have quite a bit of time, because their deadly sometimes, and I'm the pessimists like that things. Gonna happen, lily doubling times more than the one might not be sure has chosen gonna happen. You know it's like I said your dad's eyes by even my

his dislike. That's your first marriage, like you know what we've known each other, each other, for whether we may be met, Eighty, ninety five, so it's been twenty five, forty five years him, your friendship, the same ages, MTV singled out gives you, and I were younger than the guy says that I never thought about the bride and like to tat. Man was Eric needs that needs from the real world. Oh my god, they grow yeah? Those I feel like the yeah that was basically My brooms even now it: videos in people dancing. I missed a good deeds. That's kind of the reason. One of the reasons I liked your mazurkas raven puts them. A spotlight on dancer site, by the way they are dancers. We audition them once and for all their billiard danced and this

in addition, was all jobs like we wanted the audition people who could be both? answered and data comedians and I've, been blown away. My son, dancers on camera, because they are so free, Finally, another way around a job I kind of one of the debt. Whatever the circumstances to be a spam, is like the fly girls on living collar, solid gold dancers like I wanted them to have their own fate, outside of the show I also excited that I don't know be a spoiled. This Buller cut it out, but you you'd you. Sort of casually throughout that There is a looking again, oil or not as widely there's a lousy language in the boy asked do I have seen that movie. Probably two hundred time must end. There there to people like when I and I said to you what doing singled out like we would have had sometimes even

celebrity gas come on in pick from the dating poor and Time act, who was through played brutally right, where I was came on the show, and I was beside myself with joy- I mean I must have followed that I hope a thousand percent. I was like I've seen your movie so many times like I was. I was so beside myself to the point that, like I also said, no result, I'll, go and see. If I can find, like you know, a daddy green pizza t shirt proper son. As this we have the with somebody has made a bad agreement, pizza teacher right I've got my prologue red butlers, like I don't know, I think, just like friends have made them. You know just say directly or vetoed it. Eddie Green speeds about, but I have I do I some some one I am sure that he has made the reference. The last rag I feel like I've seen one I wish I could

what it said bad. Yet I hope more people what I mean that movie was now, only just at super cool and fund movie, but like a genuine. The groundbreaking piece of cinema I feel like everything you saw leg. Immediately- wanted to light curve a sharp and kick every single thing. You saw him out of the movie lag is lay just like you. Just couldn't get your hands, then maybe you everybody wanted the glove. Have. Why wanted the glow he'll? You know, like eight, like a good fun you could get their hands aglow by a great fighter. You get their whole body. Oh really, I didn't even know that there is like I didn't know that grisly Bursley was known as the dragon, so the idea it's called the last dragon. It is literally, is just very Gordy. Try to make some money opposite: karate, kung, FU bad,

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it's so many classic songs were movies it. It's always easily. Mark mothers bar a black cinema. That is greatest celebrated. Is it top music for today- that I feel marked mothers certain. And whose my other favorite oh Danny, Elfman as it does it my to emulate? I think them as a further nineteen. Eighty nine bad man is the most perfect score ever been read now, even even if you dont, like back like that nor I bought that city. I must add that city, I listen to eight hundred generalised print prince was pretty good. Bans got a really bad rabbi be like, I believe, millennials only no bans as a punch line to the dead right but

I was there and bad dance when it came out was pretty specially? Was it was never keep using analogies is the signal mode slow what do arrives today. Man movies, because, like it has like work by parts, is another Maybe I like bad man like he's, got burritos. Different parts to it and it a fantastic fantastic Are you prepared leopards by the job here? You know that was his all bay is like I'll. Do the soundtrack jet? Let me quote the Joker They told him no you're, not gonna, planned job. Get this Jack Nicholson Character where Jack Jack. Ok, I feel like me at all black and white said our eleven years. Jackson is eightys. I M sure he must be in his eightys by now. I don't, I honestly don't know that's a strange people. Did you don't you, must not be alive and the new here that I would not there

MRS Schleicher. Eighty three Nicholson is eighty three, but I also act anymore. I mean, isn't there not Jean Water who's, the guy he's still alive, but he never had. He never does anything out Jean happen. Jean Agnes he had been too I'm. I would imagine at a certain point. You know, like you, probably have to wait when people are that good, and they really like know how to immerse themselves, and you know it probably just feels like a guy, don't fuckin field leaving my house to do than how like what do I need a much more Imagine how much more money like what is it that I need? it was really binding. Do you know why they did it? Let me out in black velvet down there, hey Jack Warner and get me out of this room. You play you know they. They have no interest in living inside. Smartphone era, Hollywood, I'm what what? What did you

for baby driver cause. I read that you. It said that you did need you to tell me: yeah my represents anger and write an whose like look that you doing today. My age and this very tender he's such a character, but he, he told me that EDGAR was shooting in Atlanta. You knew that I was from the land and that I had a great interest in music and can I just put together. We met the dams over and Alice feelers adapt. We hit it off and I feel I grow while, like we re bodies like suddenly have another news, a guy like you did you see that thing you know like? We were like just buddies. Marilla and then we would lose. About music? We talk about so much music for baby driver. Admittedly the time I had no idea tat, he He meant it when he was like the music, he's, gonna be the third character in the music in the movie.

Finally saw a cut of it. I was blown away and I thought take us because it gave me the chance to have a walk on speaking heart in this thing and I was shooting I stupid, but he's real. I lay at the time as I Didn't take him up on it. I would have loved to been physically in the movie as well. We worked on the music of baby driver together and do it anyway, particular thing that you like more than the other in terms of acting writing, show running music like what or is it just Now you know it's one of those things right, miss the thing, the most that I'm not currently doing like right now, I'm like, when am I ever gonna, be able to do any act like a citizen, times, I miss that elaborate. I think is there is the greatest the vote will be able to wake up in the morning and Sundays? You have writing and acting in other words you might have acting Em- reading. You know, I guess I think it's I stopped.

All young people who are trying to get into this business that if I have any try to be a member of all three of the major guilds writer director and sag universe. Tripe just try it because I think creatively, what really creative people have? A lot of things daughter with finish: shooting the sash image a case like s room other spectacular. We are putting our lesson in front of the camera again. I always happy will set out really funny when you guys, I didn't. Did he had those variables grisly was an older animals up John, is awareness and actually really get actor memorized. I can tell you: memorizes lies and the way out is still open. His breathing stylized varies twenty singing, so I just think that year of your car, pressing give it all? Try doesn't mean the draft it devotes equal amounts. And everything, but at least the case, this year, and I we really, enjoy every that there is a better life.

When I was gonna be amused, Joe Marlon, I love being just an actor on that score. I meant that I do not in the writers room until three, I'm trying to figure out how to table a story, but he's got a guy just the next. The next day, like a jerk, goes. I I listed as do you guys know lie. That's they say that ok, yeah, that's that's open and others will yet others wicked. Like I, I've just being an actor outlets and there have been other showed. Why wouldn't want to be in brother camera. I just want to write em, so I you know every day is a little bit different and thankfully you know you ve got to do something different everyday, but something I would love your advice on is I think, one of the war really challenging thing in the business can be to assemble the right writers room for the project right because you really, to assemble this kind of justice League of different types of specially in comedy different type, like everyone kind of has their own superpower with them I'm going to have to work together, and so

how do you? Because it feels like on all the same You work on. You really get the best out of your group out of your us, poor farmers and out of your and writers and and so on, I'll do what it is? I'm Germans? We always knew that this was supposed to be a show that everybody can it. About music nerves in particular, have to enjoy like there's, gotta, be the demographic and so I hired everybody who I ever talked about music with firms of light, the comedy writers I knew light, and even People have never met before one of the guys, I'm sure Just haven't I go to my ad. School and I knew Rob Hayes, you know Rob from Atlanta, and eyes about ten years younger than me, but he came who s there, his agent or whatever I read it. It was really funny, and then I started talking to him on the phone and we have really good. Gold. So much like we're talking about everyday group too, I could signal

dance, all music. I could tell you just really knew his staff when it came to music. I was like this is a perfect fit and then there are other people who we brought in Emily Goldwyn. Who is you know, she's valet? Can't you grab out here with a really interesting story, which I will go into right now, badly. She like us, she was a writer who was talented, reminded me talking music with my hipster friend, and I m still I just so funny endorses a humorous. So weird is she said: The individual or sell like I was just like. I want her in the room says really. That was a conversation about music with Southside, because we wanted to live and breathe like the city, we we reached out to all the various community as we knew where from Chicago Harasser comedy writers we interviewed at China, people there. Lotta people, you probably know, but we of hiring those

his window, the higher the bill without were funny, but also when you read the script, they could tell a story because we knew that as opposed to Germany, which is more like a sketch out south side. We really the stories to be really tight. We wanted to have, you know, really get structure and so so comfortably with our funny. This gives the wig people who we are. The people were great scripts, animals and so on, just a little bit different. It depends on what you're trying to get yeah, but you still have to get those perform citizens don't get that material like as the it. It's not it's not just enough, be like a funny person or a good writer. You also have to sort of be like a cunt. And personality manager. At the same time, right because after kind of draw all out and make sure that, because you're guiding the direction of area Well, you know I will say that we worked in every have a were dinner owns. Where was very click yes and

not like this side of the room is all they're gonna lab at their own jobs, but they never your lab at the people across the table, like some rooms are like that, an animal What is even said in interviews that, like he likes to keep us in our little players, just because he felt like that level, petitions is like the stones versus the Beatles it gives our biology has. I think this I've always wanted to take a slightly different roads. Bridges make everyone If the alike you are loved, teach them that are absolutely garbage and we're not gonna judge you. You know, because, do we really want everybody fail safe, because we think we're gonna get the best material when everybody feels just say the room like I thousand percent agreed millions. I feel like some comedians thrive in toxic environments. Yeah, but I thrive and comfortable environments in them, and if you like, that as always our mission with like when people come on I've been night. It's like, let's let the comics.

He'll as comfortable and loved as possible so that day blossom in so that they open up. You know as a was to get the feeling judge things like I get nervous if I feel like, you know someone's getting my jokes and I feel less inclined. Like I shouldn't say, this is going to sound stupid, but when you feel free to like how you can fuck around you know, then I just feel like it's better. If it's like everyone, you know? I think so too. You know there's a funny story about said Caesar's writers which everybody If you have it, if you don't know the story, just go ahead and Google cities are shell and look at the list of people behind their rooms on almost someone was still alive. Amazingly the murderers role as some of the best comedic writers. Ever again, but apparently says it was a complete jerk and he, like we know at bay. People and really make you feel terrible about yourself all in there here in his mind, get the best material password to demanding ribbon,

one of the guys who worked on that show an Anti Griffin gives approach by them. We're getting there like eight Griffith, you know like we're. Gonna, do a show with you at the heart of it. It is. I have no interest in that light, while we're are you sure you talk about you? Don't have any interest in his like AIDS. What it takes to be the head. The Show- and I would never want to do that is like eyes, you gotta be to mean and ass. I just you know you can imagine. I regret to say was that women's there they are don't have any interest in it and they said it. Here's the deal Andy if you're the boss, you can. Whatever tone you want. That's when the light went off, in said Anne Apparently he was one that very nice is people in this industry. You could ever work with, because the german attributes, it's easy. So, oh, my god, that's really I imagine that when they said that's him and the light went off the camera. Just pushes his face and in his head you here the huge racism in the end,

this line and the rebels very regrettable that opening credit sequence was in his head? He just a man. Since the writers room is a kid go and fishing, and I got this, give legal rights. We would be in this room. I just my mobile rawdon real and we welcome that Bert streak. Lads Latvia, like we're gonna, go there's gotta, go catch. A trout that's what I mean is this house is gonna, be about catch on Ireland a dialogue was actually really nice guy. I have a real love of those early Hollywood, if it is allowed aware, because it is an african American, like you often think like You mean like me, but he didn't like it. I've learned there have been times when I got look at the name of about a prison his art work, Rodin I'll, elegant Rodya outside now. I'll type We're raises just to make sure that there is not something terrible in his path. I don't know about you, but I also heard

stories about who is really magnanimous and who was really nice to people, and one of my favorite is Jack. You know like I think, that the character Rochester a grades on today's ears because you know you don't want to hear we also know that kind, it's all, but if you really listen to those all jagged Binny shows they are actually in a way. The Bob hope shows are not like the Bible says such times. Jobs like the pipeline will, why Windsor was Roosevelt and always go crazy to guess at that time. We reference by that I'd better show, had characters that are so well defined it whether there may timely jobs or Finally, jobs Characters is allowed to find. The leg is just its body to be. To this day, like I love to hear his interplay with his ban later, an hour just there and with all the other, wonderful carriages and a Jack penny another one. Just the knife sky, I was watching Phil Hartman Target, Letterman in, like a ninety, three enter

you, and he was saying I he's gonna, make it many movie and breaks out like a spot on Jack baby impression. I was like holy. Smoke spell and go and and I'm really sad eating it. To make it because I died die like a year later, something like that and and and still feel understood. Like you know, there is a true men she did and our business I just really nice super town super funny. People work with yeah. Honestly, it really feels like those Jack penny stories, hopefully inspire people or the Andy Griffith story. It's like oh yeah, you. Can you actually inject base case because I think in a city you're, probably made himself the alpha of all the statues and Jack penny. I think probably made himself data about these. They all absolutely jack. Penny is basically just walking through a a roomful of crazy people blog at the big joke. You know get

they get to shit on him and he just kind of look the camera and, and he wanted people to how many micro regions- yes, yes, because then he just felt like people sunshine, it still technically. My show why they should shine the JAG babies. Are you don't have to keep moving into his night? After night light here, Jack known forgiving, everybody else, the big punchline and I think, that's awesome. By the way, if you give them the big punch line, then you get to come in with, like the surrender stated like spread membranes life. Would you mind in this light legally underrated, like Michael J Fox inside the king of Light, letting Mallory say some crazy stop and then he would you say really He would get a whole another job. Why does he really was obviously, as a writer, what I strive for Israel? carried listening levy. So us hilarious than the other.

They're all they have to do is to set a pause. The audience is already lab because they know that they heard we ve all heard this crazy thing being said, as it is this, why is it is slow the played the home run is. Is yours agree? We come up with the right understated response. You know you minded me of my favorite Alex keeping Alex picking a moment, which was it was that exact thing we're Mallory told some completely possible to follow story that made a lot of sense to her advantages. Ended in their distorted, been really have an ending, and there was a pause and Alex just goes its quitted. Being tail Mallory like it was just this like it was so The cuts in this place who took away- and I didn't stand, because I was a little kid, so I do not really understand that the joke Bagshot was soon, conservative kid with Super hippy parents just totally. I kind of understood that looking back on

oh, oh, Now like he was. You know he was a brief case, the young republican club. They were like the free love happiness and so that that was where the tension came from Why had I had very sort of very pro black conscious parents And I was watching family I said I didn't adopt. All of that. The Reagan politics by definitely was pressure will announce that I started wearing a suit. I start wearing a tide is every day carrying all my books in a bit of a brief case, and all that is due to Michael J Fox It looks so fine and making your yes, but you only had wait like a year before then you started wearing these sleeveless puffy vast from back to the future. It is right, time, someone wears a puppy parasite. I do think that you think back to Greece. I do ask them if they jumped ship, what's with delight

Preserver. Meanwhile was you. Can we talk about able to regulate how adjacent aiming not about He was giving team fourteen teen have to deal with Jason Bay. I mean Jane was yes, yes, yes, Yeah we can talk about the original date was yet another eyes. I reminded us like somebody who try to come after me, it does, but it wasn't bad movie. You know like I feel, like a deadly killed off that enfranchised, but I like it here, Firstly, you know that was fun and dark. Hollywood is a fun we watch every once in a while. Isn't really I don't love. I saw that one as a kid The pillar does one that I miss the den accurate. No, no, no, Hollywood is Michael J Fox, big city doktor is driving Cross country car breaks down, small town. He had like runs over the judges fence, so they make him the town doktor, while his cars being repaired and they can

snarling they keep em. Everybody wants to go, be a plastic surgeon and allay. So it is it's one of those like. I do not know about it. There was a bit better. Corbett is just like sure. You think the flashy Cities are great, but when you really cut a strip it all away the most important thing or your neighbors and a glass of lemonade on your part like it's one of those, it's one of those types of movies. I got it I am curious what you know time right now, where, feels like when twenty is just a series of like really what the fuck out you know like guides. What how are you personally finding spots of joy. How are you able to in and how are you able to sort of communicate? You know tat kids on days are, you feel, like I don't fucking, even one and get up and look at the news

no it's gonna be miserable and by me out like what are you? What what are you? in those organs. Are you finally get into comedy you meditate like? What's my wish? No moon meditation is one of those things are my. Why don't I just do it like just do it? clearly works? yes, you get around to it. Been as sitting around oppressed the whole time I mean like either when covert came along. You know that was absolute, I am obviously still dealing with it. Demonstrations started actually belt encouraged. Does it seem like for the first time in my lifetime people I seriously taking concrete steps to address something It has been a problem for centuries, so you know I'm one. People who I feel like there's hope. You know some of the sum of the new laws being passed, some of the things that are happening. I feel you know that

did the rug isn't just poured out from underneath all this, but I feel hopeful that might actually lead to some long term change, because I, like had been shot in some of the other things that have happened seemingly overnight in my lifetime, like when none when gay marriage was was approved by the Us Supreme Court, you know I got, I think. Sometimes there can be- it's like a groundswell and things can get better for a lot of people, and I- and so I feel a bit encouraged by that I dont I don't need them. I pressed a comedy is changed at all, because it's always just about what am I saying. What do I think is true if anything seems like now. These people are more open to perspectives that are necessarily their own perspective that respect they grew up with covering other parents perspective. So again, I call me for being in this affair, Awful then times are getting better in some ways. I hope to an end and an ideal, What do I dont want

gloss over the fact that you just said something that was said. There was like that the comedy right or any right or really should listen to to the extent that I'm a legitimate? gonna write it down and try to remember from a stand up and its use. What away see and what's true, I mean even just that seem so just all that's what you're supposed to do, but I feel like something that I certainly for. Most it's oh yeah, I'm not writing a job for the sake of a joke, What am I saying, and what am I saying in what's true like that is, I hope you understand, How much I appreciate and what a stunningly, simple and elegant and beautiful piece of advice? That is that I hope people really absorb who Our creative types appreciated man. You know, I think, Those are always better when you re whatever you're saying, because you know we had a son like us, we're about special call, some Kinte and we wrote it

in October last year, because in our battle is like candy cloth was like that thing. Your parents, war or maybe you ought to graduation the graduation. Get there all that a lot of a black is where I got eyes, but you know we thought it was just a funny idea for a song. Then, literally the week there it was coming out where I met mad decent. I deplore label the weak. He's coming out was the same way there like an answer. Asean juncture, where wary kinda Claude. You know not. Our joy lines of people thought that we come up with that song within like three or four hours, like their desire, I can't believe you guys get Reggie comedians, I'm with a white guys. This was written and shot in January, I guess this, but again I felt like it what is coming around opening his eyes to something that had been hiding it. Way inside I'll, say, and I think again you just gotta yeah he's gotta look around then am I right

we have enjoyed, we run into each other a couple times that events You always been so nice to me and so like compliment Terry of at midnight and it, means a lot to me, because I am a fan of your work and I really I am so much respect for women. And it always makes me feel good because even if you were just- nice to don't make me, though, the fact that you, like the show that I you know like the shows that I worked on it, means a lot to me and I I've enjoyed are our text back and forth, and I really really she's getting to know you and I really just a rope I would be. I would I would hope that we get to do something together. I would hope to actually be able to get together in person ones. I'm just stay roads. No, my god like that would be awesome when at night It's all really cool man. You know like a ban going back out, the dead said melt down to the meltdown days and that you know

I'm just the euro at I really want to see what what what comes next and hopefully we can find something that we can work. Together. We have a lot of the same tat stones and enable elephant, well that it in that the fun things I love about this kind of journey through comedy. Is that when you meet people that you really connect with. Maybe this is my getting older thing, but you really understand how precious that is and how special? That is, because you know it doesn't. I mean you know like comics, can sort of dog pile jokes on top of one another all day long, but would you someone else that you know like. Oh, we understand All the same references- and we get a lot of say I mean I don't know it just interested its it feels like there's a billiard room. You find the people we like talking, four hours and hours about movies, comics tv and all that happened then

Those conversations comes something really pleasant because a vacant. We can make a right the right. Eight to ten people laugh trust me their other people out there who were alive thing to, I always say my formative years of thinking, like o t react, Maybe I can do that. One day It started with the show with the show moonlighting bed like everything, I've tried to do in my career, I will make the work of my job. Sweden, like a light he tried invest every single scene with some level Easter Egg or fan service, or just it's also his love letter to humanity because it might be like that's what we boys trying to devise, tried to do something that, in our view, I would like this, and we were right. Tv shows, I would be writing fan fixing using other people scare. You know I mean life like I did ways, media timing, collars, adding to the cannon these star wars expanded universe. Now none of that stubbins Ganem and

all my labours as manage nothing, but I do hope did I do hope that one day we get to work on something other than a lot of money. Is there anything else that you're working on that you want to talk about, promotes anything either well I'll just say: Roquat Sherman Showcase, the black remote spectacular, is coming on and see this Friday night at ten p m, and then there is actually a marathon season. One on see his eyes at eight p m and then an intern eleven p m with second airing others, Germans showcase spectacular. We spanish work on this joint legend fathers Day special, which I think is gonna, be really fight. That's on ABC I'm always there, the Sunday and thence. Really. I do I get a short with training war again for the espies, the metal bearing on Sundays. Well, anyway, either. You appreciate this play. I play pay out

at long last, cousin, Hank Williams, junior name, tank brilliance, and I think I call song and without the status. Words, that I won't, I won't cheated. Him went back and just also musically. Is there That's it you're going you try running a lot of songs for the shows that your work, I airlines, Bird, like Germany, took place either. One soundtrack is that I'm mad disenchantment visa I've really have more fun and working with them on these soundtracks there's also a separate soundtrack with just the black history must big data and I actually think that's the killer our drugs, we got, we ve got house me we ve got jamaican dance. All we ve got, you doesn't trap, we ve got a little bit of everything for everybody on that soundtrack and I really enjoyed monsieur le Maire, not develop some music. What's the big deal, yeah. I know I know you think we're way to cool for Acapella I fucking love archipelago jobs. Are you kidding me? I will

single nerdy associated rights, Albania, we read archipelago, we we We sweated off them. Our previous Agatha grim, informed our group with them. A couple other friends accorded brothers we were there to sing like a secular, sounds like Jonah C and silk and shy about a night nineties are indeed each one of us thought we were, I sure Raymond, so salad, my colleagues years and was I I I love archipelago like what, when I was in college, I had to take six city that I listen to over and over and over and tried to. I tried to map out all the harmonies, but I'd I'd. Just wasn't I'm not I'm not great. Like I bet when I realize I bet not something, I'm great app. Has it, but just the interweaving of voices were every voice, has a very specific point in space to bear

perfectly compliment egg. Of other voices at that point in space and then XIX around like it just to me I can also see it the guy, who is the leader of our group, Sheldon, use amazing in tourism, like I have some harmonies are so are defining you just like you really want me to see that no, that's really gonna sound good with all those other in there in. That is why I believe the whole town said that I don't understand but the armies were we're magical in that I have been there I gotta get well before became like you know the way the pitch movies came out yet I may like his. I believe we are all these people so much more. The accurate good fella now would act when we were doing other Bela. Is more of this. And you know the crocodiles were harboured in the whistle were at it deals with. Their father was the big Yale group, the din and tonic,

those eyes on witty name for their group. The whole another yet again the whole other. There is a whole other layer that you have had to be some sort of a weird thing, but it I've always found it very difficult to listen to someone Singing and not start to veer instead there like that you have to learn to their lane. So it's like you have to listen, but then block off the party or by that wants to stick to also to go down here and then up there and then, like TAT, said about ways at our. We always did fall apart harmony there. There obviously light is many parts, people nowadays, but harmony is always gave because you, even if you I D go up there, you, but I don't wanna go up there. You know, good. Always like you know I was I was. I was now tat. I am pretty sure. I didn't slip up into like you know, tenor, something I'd better sprang up. I was ok baby.

The fund items. You knows I spend to get a better people want and perform a week. You don't have. You had a coffee shop. We probably sang at your car, very much. Anyone was the good to see you. I am glad that we get to see each other at least even the zoom and and hopefully one of these days when, like us, people can technically go out do stuff now, but it still feel like it's not allowed, you know what I mean it still feels like. I agree the amount of traffic you're like a really bad, I'm with it The people in their eyes you stories like I'm out, I'm not scared, a very dangerous thing. I'm like, oh god, this is another, does even with funding its interest in the things that I dont, even men like I don't just annex I don't miss driving to work like most of what I do for a living like. I can do here, except her we're going by the candles it's about that. So you know that

Miss a whole. I do miss a lot of stuff like me, like I'm missing p well, but I dont mislaid. You know You threw a reddish brown dollar, don't you miss? What had I been two things what I would go to a cafe every morning and right that was part of my writing. Ritual of data has barely written anything since I've been at home because I'm not I'm just not. In my ritual slaughter, comfort middle, I said yeah and too doing stand up. You know like I just miss. I miss lie performed outside of that lives in Ireland my wife Liddy and I are like total bodies, and you know what they're like don't go anywhere were like no problem you, how long you know, and so yeah you're right like we had a pitch meeting an aim scene. We did it all yesterday. We did it all fear of video conferencing and I thought about the three hours that I wasn't in my car, driving back and forth the Santa Monica and rush hour or two hundred like badly, then they going industry

Why aren't you know so I don't know yet there. I do think that new normal will be some comic. As I said to the boy, is there a reason, ever go back into opposite like well. You know it's, you know like being like socializing being around people. Go yes, but I wonder if moving forward the balance of you you can go in, but you don't have to all the time, and we can still economies our time and streamlined some things and protect the environment in a like there. I feel you I'll be a balance. Two things are going into place, but then also a percentage of the time. Not now we realise, like oh, you know, really hard, up to now you really don't either Lindemann executives drive from light bird all the way to your studio in Santa Monica. Then it's not like that, like that's me, like that's, not needed anymore yeah, you're not gonna, be able than ever. California sketch, but the valley people will probably from this point forward,

there are only never go to Santa Monica, have no, we don't have to. We have the technology. Now, though, reason for me to do, That's right, you're, gonna, miss those days. Were those combat right, see you and I see all the time stars- and I mean you're out yet because our river early days of walking dead. They would fly you to New York to do these like ours, probably for France, and so I remember being at this event, and even at the time I like, I never took it for granted and they haven't space and it was like you, I was their normal normal. Was there Steve Young was there, but then also Aaron Paul, like his brow. Combating those bringing back to it. They had this whole like so they would do the fronts and then they had this whole walk the robbers like here's, a walking dead, said, and then they had people they had these people making. You know blue math in another room and such a fun. It was just like it was like a mini comics.

Sort of but Fred Place that you worked out I was really when we were at HBO like delight roses in its pride and I'll, never forget they took over the entire Roosevelt hotel. Now we want- dead and it was like they had archery. They had like these things you coming the mouth and blue smoke out The dragon like there was so much money in just the game of bronze parties alone. It was in saying that I am as a good Eddie mad at you know. My word is coming up in length. Fourteen day certain my bad night, I don't know. What am I gonna do? Is they carry out the house? Probably the zoom party, There is no end by grants, one Friday night after the secondary goes up at ninety. And specific time night out, thereby I'm gonna have a zoom party and employees have been real, emerges? now. Maybe you Jim my did I but most

Now they re like fifty people. Really fine you can cover to embarrass. You can convert to ours like whatever it, but I would like I would like to send you the lives of the latter. I would love it, I would love, it begins and really Fun Nigel a girl, low John, who I think you may know because I've seen him on the couch a few times in their wild lands and then just like really fun. On the z himself, then I'm gonna get ninety on Friday. You should come to visit I would actually love that. I would love that I kind of warning I kind of want to end with just I'm just curious we're talking about. Like you're. Talking about your HBO experienced the Roosevelt, no sign of an aim since up for you. How do you do you feel, like you, ve made it? How do you know that you ve made it because I When I look back at those moments, did I recognise, like oil?

think I'm doing the thing that I set out to do like you recognize it when it's happening or do you feel like a lot of times its retrospective like when you look back and you oh, my god. Actually that was a really cool thing that I recognise it. The time they appreciate that at the time. So how do you? How do you? How do you know like how do you define like what is divine, but how do you define making it a drag? You know Centrists thing this is body not something I should be. Let us about, but I don't feel like I made it then tell my wife, like winners, when, when will, I feel like I've accomplish anything. Life like. I just feel like. I have not really accomplished. Let me be clear. I don't feel like I've accomplished a whole lot. Yet I do hope that at some point you know like I have

enough money to never worry about money again and also create something that such a cultural touchstone. That like all ye. I really I really do something there that was, that was really cool and am people deftly noticed in it and pushed the needle in this direction. I mean to a certain extent I felt like I have that were sermons outside, but who knows somethin, you know. I must say that I need the urn spelling one hundred and twelve you know romance in like no forty minutes, for How many tv shows says he likes over two hundred and five tv shows over the ground where I dont need Dick you know levels as of residuals coming every month, but kind of like a point in my life just like you know, I I have pushed the culture and I'm feeling creatively fulfilled and

I can have a pool. You now listen afford our house the better for it and then do you like it. That's really blood, you know. Does anyone there We are talking about earlier, like in eighteen, seventy six Have you had a show on the air that was given Nowadays, you know tv shows get six it they never says they aired, maybe Nina five hundred some people tuned into the number one episode in that season, and then you do like that of back to get around to see. What's due on the landscape denial, I would love to have them. Agonies array of that within secure united to me that that that might be. You know what I can say Kenya berossus had success. John arise sensitive and I name three black runners, but you and I I do look up to you know all types of all types It will work in this industry and hopefully at some point. Your real, but I don't know what you mean. I I think you

the private. By the way to me you ve, made it but I'm sure there have been times when you said. Have I mean it? I like em That may be just something that we all deal with. I think sometimes it feels its rhetoric active because when you're in the moment your call the momentum and you're trying so hard to keep all the plates turning into maintained and to not do you know like not drop it? and so it can be hard to believe in the present. You know what it really the case. The other thing is all about living in the present and so time he looked back retrospectively go oh yeah. I actually all the thing was actually pretty cool no way that, and so I just hope that you know in my mind, you have made it and also you know that I hope that you know if what that metric is in your head of like finally, ok, I have this thing or I feel, like I've, moved the needle this direction, and I have you know

pool at or whatever I hope, you're, not so condition, do not see it that you don't see. You know what I mean like. I hope you see me ass. You are making a really great. It's original. You know groundbreaking. Poverty and television, and you do so many different things. That term you know I just I don't know. Maybe some people need that kind of fire like they need to feel like they ve, never white made it to stay motivated. I don't know, but but I do hope that you are able to you. Don't take those We go. Oh shit actually yeah to act to show you know. Like I don't know it's you're doing a lot of really cool stuff sky, appreciated that and you know what I'm, whether we have this conversation, because I think if I have a more clear idea of what I'd like to do Maybe I can have a better idea of how to get there. You I feel like you'd have this conversation is left me. A change man in the sun,

Even getting I'm like you know where that is a barrier. When Grace- and you know what I need to spend some time thinking about that- I really do I appreciate that and I also have been changed by the like. I would like really can't wait to go back and look at the job site and writing and saying what am I seeing and what is the truth of this, like I'm going to burn those two questions on I'm going to pin them to the top of my comedy notes. Because I think that such a great foundation, when you think about writing comedy rather than jobs for joke cyclical. What is about what's truth of it, so I that I thank you for did I get. It's dark he again has been. I see you good luck with the special this week and hopefully I'll see you at the zoom get together zoom party. We call it having ever we call it is a fun times out of its into the information called Tasty

could see him in the caretaker Katy you can take it take our by their. I intend incomplete enjoy your burrito.