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determination and love for theatre. This original science fiction thriller was inspired by in a regional story by Lee skulls and invasion of the body, snatchers conceptualizing written by the Hill High theatre collaborative. Can I tell you a story? Is a pot cast? last group of survivors from an alien invasion by taking refuge integrated community. The group processes, the events that have led them there find us on anchored dot, fm and search. Can I tell you story, amazing Tories, so so well done of an idea with students. I look forward to listening to it and I encourage people to check it out on anchor dot, fm and events at eighty twenty dot com for anyone else who wants to submit for the cork board. This episode is EDGAR Right and sparks EDGAR Right has a documentary out right now from focus features called the sparks brothers which he directed EDGAR was a huge fan

of at along with a ton of people of this amazing ban called sparks, which has been around since nineteen sixty seven. They ve made twenty five albums. They ve had this incredible called following, and the documentary is just superb: it's such a bit so beautifully done. It's a wonderful story, not just interesting to follow the twenty five album career of this band and there still making album still today they ve never stopped it such a wonderful education. You know just being true to her? You are not compromising, you know, continuing to produce stuff, and what you find with a ban like sparks is that the fans of sparks are just die, hard sports fans and they have influence When you see how many bands and how many music movements they have helped influence, you may not real

like you'll, see them do something you know like in the seven These are the eighties, a reverend. Then, a couple years later, that kind of thing will start to catch on and become, like you know, the biggest thing in pop music and they're, so nice, there also nice and very inspirational, and just this was such a wonderful, wonderful chat with all them. The sparks brothers, documentary is available now I'm a huge fan, and this was an absolute pleasure and honour and also EDGAR Wright has a really kickass the coming out in the fall that disrupted film called last night and Soho. I think it comes out in October, but it is later this year so check that out to here is the eighty twenty episode number eleven twenty five with EDGAR Right and sparks.

recording in progress. Just so you know a robot just told us that the meeting is being overly has carried creepy yeah. I mean that the world is basically just creepy we're we're in a week. we're our own weird black mirror episode. I think really really seems that way you are you all in LOS Angeles, yeah yeah. I think EDGAR might be in the UK

yeah yeah? Yes, yes, here I got hikers hi. How are you eyes to see you? You can't be awake, he's sure soon I mean we could just idly chit chat until he gets here, for instance, How was your quarantine school I've gotta, tappin yeah? It seems like you, ve really got or a lot of work I found out. I suppose inferior, though a bizarre Modena guy, I found out that the Pfizer's, the cool ones now it's it never underestimate the shepherd for human beings, the sort of still category. like, even when you're doing the right thing that that's not the right enough thing, but an I ride

good at about somebody earners were not to any more. I didn't lousy or ethnic. They said a lot of it has to do with the sound of it. That file is like, like people online, you, I've got Pfizer site, you snappy, and it's like a person's name yeah, but Modena sounds had a robotic silver, so how's war slightly be opposite. I think Pfizer sounds like you. Have a council itself like if we're looking at them is sort of like endeavours. Pfizer sounds very corporate to me, daring to sounds very artsy to me. I I completely agree with that, but the Soviet we gotta start our own movements Emma, modern needs our help. I think here, oh hey, EDGAR. Sorry about that. I was just done in another interview which then I just I just wrapped up.

With great yeah yeah. We all. We had only good things to say about you. We, like you or whether save time speakers their nosey. I know I seriously it's it's it's. You know that this is gonna, be chunk of where we're just kind of edit out a year of our lives and then we'll out, hopefully just be it'll just be. It can never. You know like we have seen each other the whole time. I now I got you know. I know I know, I'm in London says a lot. A double whammy were not just the lockdown, but I've been in. I haven't seen, run Russell for the agency. The night was it yeah. We we we meet on zoo, but not quite the same. We have not. We have not like watched them, We together la la. Are you sick, you ever been able to see the movie together. Our now No, I didn't. I bet it yeah, I've been in London since January. Twenty twenty- and I guess I

is it like him there, the first cut was lay in the summer, sunlight that labels later so am I haven't. I haven't been back to the states I have been able to see the red with rather roughly watches crazy EDGAR. Let me just purchased ideally because you know things are going very well for you have. This will be coming out last night, if you could, just by the sinner Ramadan, weaken its available now you we could just go watch it there is that, a reasonable cost. I believe, and I think people and on Twitter under it. how much money I have your hat they noted either way way way way they over Us I'm sorry that overestimates the right I've got it wrong. It lightly. sit around with them thing happened, so many people said hey. Can you not just I sit around them and they are quite Hollywood, is like. Yes, I have tens of millions of real estate. Money despair,

and operating capitals. Yes, but a good guy tax deduction, also that's not a bad idea, the sun about idea. I am I mean I listen. Everyone loves the movie and rightfully so it's so good, this movies, so it's so artistically inspirational, but just I'd love that it's just you know, even though the movie has its ups and downs. It just feels good, like the movie just feels good. Does it does it? Is that oh, you perceive this story yourself and your right, why? I guess path the inspiration for it was there having been at first kind of, like you know like not like a super found when you five, certainly like very aware response in what they look like and what they sound like an annex of over the years being

of an ongoing kind of like riddles any into locker forlorn like found obsession. I think like one of the resemblance unmated documentaries. I felt that run a rustle in this century, since that too, since his little Beethoven had soldiers candlelight were flying in the face of the trajectory of any other band, had been going that long. I can think of anybody else. It was like it. He was bringing out new material so regularly. That was light as good as if not better than that in big in big inverted commas golden period. I think we'd, like Ivory Ferguson, not to speak on their behalf. They don't like to think of a golden period, because it of all gout. So it's me that, with the thing is amazing, is that most like banned them in going through long run Russell have I feel that what run a rustling been doing,

is to be lowered. It s all keep kind of pushing the boat out like you doing what they want to do I'm just saying to the audience catch up, and I think that something that most pants down, do that too nervous gonna lose an audience. I think run a rough will have ever done that Oh no light either did not deliberately you know. Well, I wonder also because you know, if you're so tied to a result of something where No, it's like! Oh, I guess we live or die by this thing. Whether we lose a thing or get a thing, then you probably are in a constant state of fear to try new things but run and Russell you constantly, even even when stuff succeeds. You go why we can't do that again. We have to do. We have to keep moving forward and exploring

and I'm I really want to just kind of talk about the the basis for never staying in the same place twice war. Part of it is just so. You know we just says the week, I don't know we don't we don't want to repeat ourselves in it. In that way, be the core audience were sparks really expects us to be kind of mutating. All the meetings about were now is that it is a case change changing over over over time and so on. fortune in that sense it there will always be people following what we're doing tat. They are disappointing when we repeat ourselves that unites us is just, however, something that I that's hard disk I believe we need to keep doing new things because one more worthy on things we enjoy

working on new stuff. So much, but it's really miserable. We say: let's do something like such and such from From the last hour. We we always wondered, surprise yourselves and when one week in surprise ourselves- and we kind of fear that we ve got something that maybe we'll have an impact on other people. I think what you said to earlier crystal about one at that. expectations are: what did we kind of we kind of think that we're in a different area where we're not either for better or worse, were were not continue. Living scrutinised in a you know, dinner I get Gregg nationally a rolling stones, sort away or something so that so that we kind of all that? Well, what do we have to lose any way by just

trying some thing and doing what we want to do, because you know me, Have you really? You know we have a big fan base? it's. You know like its touched upon in the documentary. You know I am it's, you know it's not You two level or something as far as you know that Lord of Scope, and so we kind of feel like well. We can do whatever we want an end. You know it gonna, look like a lot of attention to its people are dead, are industry really want to see where we take kind of are I've had club. You know each each time we set out to do a new album is so now is kind of a freedom that I think a lot of bans on with a lot our commercial success stone have maybe, or they or fruit They have that they have that freedom to do whatever they want to do, but they're out of fear

of losing their millions and millions and millions of fans they don't want to rock the boat, whereas we kind of your one blessed, of being sort of where we are. Is that weaken? You know we can do we want to do and and feel like we're, not gonna. You know, you know tat You know, ruin ruin a good thing that we have going. They servers that's right away. The reality of the situation, was it a better way like when we first move to in the middle seven days a week, Jobs out in the states and island wanted to sign us, but just the two of us and we we went there and you know to their credit they signed just that there were no songs. There was all based on this kind of dear yes, and so we went there and and start

Right in Europe? We if we would have been aware of the pressure of having to come up with something or ass being shipped back to the states with tat? Nothing would have wise is where we re cartridges when our Mary Ways injures road without kind of any a semblance of awareness of the reality of the situation? You know, I think there have been several times through the years were that that's been the case where we better not kind of what the harsh reality of the situation paralyzes descended into their inaction or doing something conservative, that is a really hard choice to make too, because

especially sometimes when you feel like you're survival, might be at stake to make the artistic choice for yourself can be. I mean retrospectively when you look at it. You might go. Oh of course, that what you have to do, because that's where that's where you do your true identity- comes from an that's where your most artistic in your best stuff comes from, but in the moment, How are you, how are you able to stay focus and that way and go okay? This might just doesn't look great, however, just push it aside, get back to the task at hand. That is the ultimate human struggle. Well, we were working on things. The thing working on is kind of the whole world at that moment in so so the other issues that have become really small in and even if that's, not the reality of the situation in Europe, we should be afraid.

Monsters gotta kind of poppy yet, and so so it isn't. It really isn't all that difficult for us because what we're working we're incredibly focused and kind of shut out everything in kind of it other people in it. You know in most circumstances as well and so you know we would. Everything seems inevitable when you know when you look back, God knows how, Obviously that was you know he did nothing I have an. Obviously that was somebody there was gonna. You know you are open things were in other ways for other people, but at the time it was like you know. Was kind of like a pretty lonely passing you know. We ve been also fortunate to be able to work with people that have given us some kind of

courage like Georgia. Moreover, in the case of number one in Heaven, you, when you work with somebody like TAT, even though your sacrificing Samir independence, it it somebody really knows what they are doing, and you know twenty, the scanty Miss Winwood in time. Linda those situations you get when people are yeah, but what they do? You have courage in income and were, and they also have faith in your vision are artistically. Then then you can gain more courage in those moments. Oh now, Degaulle all those producers that wrong mentioned part of their. What what is made it successful with each of them in there. I'm way was that day they did thus what we were doing and none of them, at all said

ok, I really like you, but you know what you need to do in order to reach a bigger audiences to do such and such and not one of those producers ever said that Todd mentions it in the documentary that, on that He really like the demos that we had sent to him. He was the only person that the like them. To cite just to stick his name on it and a sign the ban, but he said he loved they were you just want to improve the fidelity of those recording, so wasn't kind of changing it, aid of Lee, and there was this near. The same goes for from off wind. the end, an Giorgio awe and that twenty four Scotty they they all a priest. and what we were doing in China, where with us in whatever China Sort direction we were and they brought in their own thereon, talents to kind of enhance, enhance that, but they did

I now let us follow our creative path, I want that one that we did learn from those people is said to be now. There were kind of producing ourselves that and have been for Quite a long time is just to be to be able to look at the size were riding and judge them a little bit more dispatch, leave whether something is real good or not with at the time early on everything you wrote was was genius and then, by working with us, People they were, you know they were in the end in the good, in the good sense of Are you saying you? Are you right for songs to be able to come up with one, that's that's a good one and we that is something that we carried on to this day. I mean it's. It ironic. I think that's what that one of your big had songs is there,

When do I get to sing my way that sort of like when do I get to have that Sinatra moment? But when you look at your career, you ve been them see my way like you, ve got more Sinatra than Sinatra. I Felix and attributes I want to be like those Spock's kids, I wanna do what I want to do you not elected EDGAR. Do you agree with that? Yeah? I think that's a mean eyes. I said they were dressed like that. The why like about them, is that they keep rising. What seems to be the avatar song. What are you going ivory every light scope album since, like propaganda light has still not been, which could be like this all this That guy is that I, like the number one in Heaven. When do I get to take my way? Edith psi get better than me that do these kind of likes of Korea, Salvation Stone was that just by I like the Aztecs,

I can, but I know I mean I I think that's that's fair to say, and I think that more that's more obvious now that, like him, that's the it's it's all of them, but I think that was nice about spots in the kind of self reflective is it like, you know, subject that objectively, it would seem to me that way that you ve, never gonna like compromised in and seven it's funny to solve his arms that are about the what you would have to do to be a star. I like that, we know he paused to think sponsor for this absurdity. Eighty twenty per cast be spoke post. Who is to take your adventures to the next level, with a new line of must have box of awesome collections, which are basically themed boxes, so we spoke posts, partners with small businesses and emerging brands to bring you credible, unique goods every month. I really like the box, that's called secured. It says every

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more cost less. But that also interesting point. You bring a few because you know it's. I think one of the interesting things where the many three things about sport that UK it so hard to sort a pin down like it means so many different things had made. So many different things to me because On the one hand you go Kay, so you know they're making very artistic choice and so maybe they would reject commercial success, but at the same time it feels like no, I think they want commerce, it's all its thick. Is this constant human struggle of like no one will want to have to compromise? I just want everyone to like me for who I am, and that seems to be like such a core molecular message. Like but this is who I am, and this is where why Matt right now just cages spoken

me for who I am ok, this didn't work on trial. Can not this one worked. Ok, this when did no came out this one did I mean the sort of struggle between art and commerce, for you guys, how do you? How do you view it? Well, we ve always been really torn in a certain way and we do just that. We cannot. We love pop, music and just all things about it, like people screaming and reacting really well and then the other side of it we boys, you know maybe party for bringing in this kind of heavy. jurists thin film and are we kind of sea that, Sir with his well and so so that those kind of competing forces I think her you, it's never been resolved with us tonight. We had never will be. I made this point brochure, so I were comfortable with that point.

Ah unsettling feeling that well were were kind of straddling both things and it's not It's not resolve the new, even even the audience. Like that, I'm gonna try not to refer to so much in the password in the seventies there, the audience was split down the ro between three in girls, and then these better part, she tides and we I thought that was amazing. You know em, and each of them respond through the band in it in a different kind of ways we never felt that we needed to resolve resolve that. That is you and you know we have enough- there's enough outlets, especially in a visual sense, for what we do is. there's more working and vigour I was in those sorts of things, so any kind of that you know Baden Artistic, urges or weaken kind of

communicate them in ways. Even there are the israeli musical do you have any predictions for how things could have been different? If, like you know the first album was this massive, you know you would would huge success right out of the gate, giving would have changed, or do you feel like now we still would have. Probably just you know like made a choice that we wanted to make creatively for the next one and the next and the next one I'm. You know I don't know if it would have changed anything I think just within our DNA is, you know the the whole that we're doing something. That's kinda! Really you no valid. You know valid creatively, you know, and so in so I dont think of what it because it has a ruler, spin, the periods regarding really big it records in there.

various countries in it and it didn't chain things you know like you know yours, two Qaeda Stick. Formula when you have success, so that you can continue that that sort of passport you know we kind of sometimes, even when we ve had a big hit record. We we think weaken, do something the next time outbids, not same. That's it formula that same thing that made it worked at one time that we can find something equally problem, Could you have enough to attract an audience and it doesn't have to be rehashing the same territory? So I don't, I don't think would really matter. You know what course big musically, depending on their success.

of the band I'm curious by EDGAR. How I mean you must have extract belated and enormous amounts of creative lessons from this from this document array and in a way a girl, you, isn't you followed a lot of this map like I've? U dont, you don't make the same movie twice. And in the same, like you know like when you hear a spark song, you go my god. I know that sparks, but it's different than the last thing. I grew up the same thing where it's like, I know what it had gone right will be looks like, but no to wear the same, so how Oh, how do you do when you look at this juncture Oh I don't want to utilise. I dont want to fall into a success, trap, wherefore I feel trapped by my own sex. Could you you're doing really well now a girl? So how do you view its and moving forward? How do you? How do you feel like you? I want to make sure protect my creative vision without having a compromise too much. I think

really about like everything that is inspiring about run Russell story, documentary and, like you know, I'm I'm you know like solve. I guess that nearly I guess I was twenty five years into making movies. I made one when I was very young either like coming up for its thirty a thin in a few years, but I say I guess the thing is, if you like anything, it's maybe easier to size and do this, but it still about having being doing what you do and being comfortable about it being a success or not. I guess Sometimes there's like of outside forces living run, arrested, have found a way to keep working. You know, with films is appalling, where, like maybe, if you have light Tuesdays and where they might take the car keys away some people

right? You don't? I d is back until it be like you return worthy. I feel like I've like I've like so had films. I haven't done as well as others, but light is always been on my turn so I'm so I'm proud of them. However, they did, and so on, I haven't year, fingers crossed had done. nothing. I'm really like unhappy way than I think the worst thing with It is on the other, are not happy with the compromise to get that. That would be the sole together, maybe the worst Who cares if you I'd even wanted? I knew this was wrong and it didn't work and that that less- and I think so that something like I think that a key. I think that any like artist, not just me, musicians of any asses watching the sparks brothers would take away. The same lesson is that, like Nina make Sure that, like success or failure, is on your own terms.

It is always you can only and your proud of what you ve done, that the most important thing, but also, I think, building up a man and even taking a setback for the from that its it is kind of looked up that what we say the word success. Theirs is implied commerce, and you know what I mean like. If you I mean to see that, for you know, of over five decades, that sparks has been to have stay true to itself done what it wants to do, not really had to do anything else, other than just keep making music and they figured it out along the way it's like, but that is, I don't know much more sick, I don't know how I dont know how like a billion dollars, would have made that better. You know what I mean like it. It feels like that is success. You ve done what you wanted to do, and you know again you I've. I would say that you're, probably the most successful in that sense because you ve had this cohesive thing for so long and don't you wanted to do it? I think I think we even said? Almost stir we? U pupil.

raised. Even what was I think I mention in the documentary that that kind of exact same sentiment that down how you judge what is success is the whole is the whole key, and so, if successes is only how many accords you ve sold. Then then that's one thing, but of success is, being you know, just proud, you're still doing what you're doing and doing it. The way you want to do it and so having this core of people better. That? Are you know, follow. what you're doing and appreciating than that, none of that's that success, in our minds and Nino every everybody wants to have two trillion dollars so that they can now. You know me, terrible, more comfortable in doing it, but then, at the same time, like we touched on earlier, maybe if you had, he had

you, wouldn't you wouldn't be as scrappy too, to try to come up with something you know were something That's gonna really be provocative Vienna. So it it. You know, works both ways, but it is there. Of how you define what success is ending and also how influential I mean that there's that that moment, where you performing in the nineties and you catch a little shit because their use almost if I understand correctly, it's like you, start being accused of being it, and it's like no. We you're talking about bans that we're derivative from us, like we re you know like this. Was this sort of, like you know like. If mysteries I state of a mystery tight sites, eater came back and people like all that's

the other thing if they know that came from MR besides Theatre like that was the originator. You know when I think back. Has this really interesting point about how it's like the bees there, this really important part of the ecosystem that we can't live without that provide for this for the wider, you know worlds at large to you. Do you feel the impact of that run? Yeah, I'm the one. One thing it's, you know it's a small thing about the document you that I love is just that we don't have to making those arguments that have very reliable sources? That add and well like in and the well known sources that was speak. as is whenever we would say anything, we can learned early on. Do not you know it. It just comes up across his defensive, and so you know weakened

you would not our heads but didn't make terrible a big racket. So you know it's not that, the main point of the documentary at all, but we we felt really moved that other people intense state What they found was our influence on other artists are on themselves, yet is not run and rustles job to say that spots. First, Alan two years before Queenstown ethically made over analogy very clear to the box first patch up boy. Second, but not only that, but then you see you know it. You see sparks in the seventies- and I know in the seventies the idea of new wave was a little more precise in its work.

included punk and all these other different, like it was just sort of a catch offering that wasn't like super pop. But you know it's like like watching you guys perform in the seventies and then watching what came out on MTV in the early days, like that's wow, that's that's real efforts. I mean you can see you can see. It is a direct progenitor of like what ultimately became this kind of like music invasion which provide people assumed? You were british alot of it? You know, because that John of Music was so associated with this british invasion that MTV brought in which happen because I heard A lot of american labels didn't want to put their artists on MTV, but all the british artists were like fuck we'll do it, and so then we get this influx of all this amazing new wave music. Do you did you feel a part of that or sort of

but what I mean. I think we always yeah- I'm? U we always liked. Of visual. The visual side of things I was suddenly a week was always attracted us to Britain, bands initially but as opposed our perception of allay at the time with the the tunnel Well Canyon school, I just you, know snoop. Snooze music, you no one- and so So all that stuff, like videos we really year, we really loved all bad and that's another waiter- to get here music seen or heard than it was great even to it. I think we mention it even in the area, the documentary butter Island. in records credit we did video in in

seventy four when there wasn't an MTV and we don't even know your kind of naive and green than in going out. These guys are telling us. Can you a little more like a. Use a song and don't make a little movie around song, but you know, and so we ve got a thought. What Why did you know? What do you need that four? But they were a right that unit you know was seated MTV or any outlet really for showing music videos. Bobby got it placed on some early morning. Chat show in the U K at the time? But there wasn't an outlet for it, but they had the foresight in Ireland to say a few wed your song with visual images in a with Phil,

eat out there- we can maybe use that in some way, so they were really forward thinking through never felt at the time. We never felt a part of any of those kind of men semi? They seek a description infallible. we already know no way is, but you know some jerk sir or you know, people at record labels. You know that clam rock band, smart, Sir Orson a ban sparks your new way then sparks a week. We never really, even if there were ten characteristics to amuse you get it at those ties we know. Spell a part of any of those movements and never felt out of a kinship with other people doing music. That was similar to to that at the time. We've always kind of felt that, apart from all of that,

I was going to say as well that even more user Chris about the new wave thing in anti being like in a sum that beat the clock, is like two years before that and then even before that, but that this is the kind of the really am so crucial topic, the pops forming which allow people in the UK so essays. That, second, only to like David varying standards of the past just like of indelible a piece of music television is on the family, seventy four, when running rapid, do this town ain't big enough for the both of us up the folks and income tax? Do you have to think about all of the the other bans that IRAN around them are all like? Smiley am happy like ever you doc and other acts around, and so just the image of like, I've light Russell Enron staring down the comrades, your living rooms and the social value of at the time, as you see that eventually all the people who were the soul of the creators of punk broken,

you, Cairo watching and taking notes and saw a light, and then came back little further. Two years later, the men in the documentary let members of his pistols and you know joint vision and so those that line between the two. I think fascinating, and I think there is an element remember you know, like I told you, unrest about the use of unaware, necessarily the you did have the following the young bands, I guess in a low ways, it sometimes being The curve for so long is because the lonely existence If you allow linger always euro is there were one or two years ahead and everybody else now we we we didn't, and we were happy that were called the odd happy that you made the documentary. So he can. We could learn we're all these really great creative types. Speaking about spice, whenever we never knew. I mean that we love the sex pistols. We think there are,

Ceuta, absolutely amazing, and so we we we would had no clue that there was any connection with with them barks at him. We learn finally from sea John said. We had the ultimate In that he came to one of our shows in the UK seventies and manage the weasel his way back install some a bar gear. That was also ultimately compliment. You know coming from a sex pistol, that he had a piece of. barks gear. Now that he actually start a gradual, just quit Quetcham Cider equipage viral video up Unity, direct by underwrite sparks breaks into Steve Jones House to reclaim gear I feel, like that's fair, I feel like he would totally condone it by the way

I think new danger money to break in two stages have, but I don't want to do it, I don't have regular to his house. I'd feel, like you know, when you're looking at top of that type of the paths performance, it's such a great testament to be the most you you are and you have less competition. You stand out from the pack because, like you someone at the time. Conventional thinking would have like where you can go on and do that because that's not what people known, but then you do it and then all of a sudden it resonates because it so you can saw authentic too, who you are and so honest that everyone else like you know like take all the creative types are really take note but even that idea that you can go on one show and all the sudden everything changes and the next day the club is for people and everyone knows who you are. I mean those things don't

work that when we look, someone might have a viral video, but that's you can never figure one. That's gonna happen so What are some of the other ways that you ve seen the business evolve in the last five decades in your approach to it? Will I think, one you know one thing is, none has destroyed. The can't just just awaited Music arrives. The people would wish. streaming in their distant assumption. I don't mean to sound bitter about these issues. kind of stating the obvious, but that the people assume that me it, is free now and so so that their that something its debts change, because people get resentful have to pay for anything. They assume that if the music is there for them and how you are how dear anybody charge for this, and so

so. The idea of wives, yours is gonna, become even more important now than it has ever been in the past year can alive concerts in a way it is was yours. It's almost like in the dogmatism in a certain sense, because it's not your son modern way of cut it's something. You know that the years all gonna get to be performing for people, but that's the way that that that a person really connects with deep under the idea just receiving your music for free. That is an assumption. You know people people all the time. Mention you know I really like went back in and the research, your music in everything, and you know we will when they do that. That then odd is just going to spot a fine filing Allison

within the other. The other side of it is that that is amazing thing that, therefore, to be able to find out the entire musical history of a ban would have taken. You know you have to go to five music shots in every car, so much money, and now now you can't do that thought you I I signal both sides. It is. It is changing things hey it's Chris, with a quick little request for help from you, the eighty twenty community to take a short survey. Very short, just want to learn little more about the eighty twenty audience and make sure that we get advertisers better the most relevant to you and your interests so visit pod, listening dot com, slash, Idee, ten t, that's pod listener, dotcom slush idea, one zero duty to take them quick surveyed is completely anonymous and really helps to show not always that help us you know keep the lights on in stuff over here with good advertisers, but also you may do so.

For goods and services that you will, like so dead, pod listener, dotcom, slash idea, ten and thanks again for taking the time, are really appreciated. And who request bless? You had to wait for someone to decide to either player. good or whether or not they were going to allow you to make a record, and now you know it to tap the freedom to just being your own home. The eight hour sensibly make something in in a day and then the next day, just put it up in his just out there in the world I mean, is there do you, pros and cons to both systems, or do you have a strong preference for one over the other woven just that logistical side of it having access to being able to cord. in your own home and not be. Pending, not a record companies budget, that's there's absent no downside to that in just to be able to work without

anybody else having to say ok the money so that you can work so there's no theirs downside, immediate, the the anything with just then you know, ah admit It also, then means that Everybody is in This, then too, who says so the euro is theirs. No quality control. Its is ok, everybody. Now you can do it ourselves that mean everybody should do it, that's the other side of it, but wouldn't, when you're doing top of the pops, I'm so curious to find to know like what what was it like like a minute before you're about to go on like what's the set like what is it because we all have a perception of what it looks like from our viewing side, watching this archival footage, but from your side, what did it feel like you're about to go on

the biggest one of the biggest chosen british television and then there's like a three two one I mean. Did you speak like another showered? Did you feel the stakes in it, or was it not as big of a set as you bought? It would be what what what kind of the logistical elements of it, who is also a new to us, but we definitely knew what is the state were omitted in? It didn't change what we were doing, but but we definitely knew that it would have a name. impact you know I mean you know. We were really fortunate because tell him She was better how we were first, recognising U k rather than life show. Really I mean so, and just the idea of concepts and ah it it had so much of an impact were some of those things might not have done now. You know you're alive setting, but here it was obvious. You know like this

candy story. You know who camera zoo dancing, girls, don't you know it's like he was, he was wrought. Really. just amazing in unity, we we didn't you there was no nervousness images God. This is cool. Europe is, we were, we grew up. You know just idolizing the whole British see and actually be, even if it only if it would have We ve been at one time. They actually be a part of that We re seeing it was like a dream. Come true rose. Who was that this might be aware question? So if it is, I apologise, but the an you when you're looking side I'd at the camera, that sort of iconic run faith is facial presence, that Macartney does and coming up video, who is that guy's Eddic is? Is there? Is there like when you're performing

Do you have sort of an idea of who that person is he separate from run mail? is he is yours, it's is someone different like who is that guy, what That's a really good question. I you know it's her. It's really hard to. to answer it. I mean it isn't it is in the Koran, What I'm doing that I needed it! It is it's yours really natural for me, but but I dont also probably don't go walking around the street kind of staring up at. Please no something that way you know so so I I don't really know how to answer that question, because what I'm doing feels perfectly natural and not like a show business version of me

but but I realise that you know, if I'm going to a supermarket that that maybe not that aspect me isn't there. So I It's a really good question. I don't I don't have a good answer me right. I it is. It is me and then it's also maybe just snake exaggerated version on me, but I don't I don't gotta to me

Please I don't wanna become new tab. Dakota you don't step, sat back and see see myself. You know I mean that that coming up video I had forgotten until I saw again like oh that's right and you know Mccartney's, it's a pretty. It's a pretty funny video for someone to be especially like a nineteen. Eighty because he's playing like, I think, he's playing make Fleetwood, I think, he's playing a fat for version of himself he's. U his body Holly he's like he's a bunch of different people and its clear. they're all influential to him in some way that it's like that, it's a he's not making fun of it feels to me like a real tribute to like these are all of the you know if I could take pieces of all of these people. That inspire me like this is what, in my head, did it sort of feel that way to you again? yeah. I am here

I think that was that's. What's beautiful about it is I can either what's interesting, is the most of the other people in the EU His band lie Creevy too little anybody who he is and then I think as it lays meekly window, Ginger Baker and random, not sure which relate. I like the fact that sparked the latest light abandoned. He refers to seven within the abandonment fight. The ultimate compliment- and I I know like That'S- was into me in the documentary? Is I really like documenting the fact that run a rustle like going to see the Beatles twice I've been like his own life. Changing you may not. I need to know about that too, because I haven't really got to talk to a lot of people who ever seen the Beatles live, and you saw them twice Russell. What run and Russell what? What was the experience like was it is I connected

we would assume it would be. It was like no, they were great, you know like did it? Did it feel different, or was it just like going out we're going to see a ban? They happen to be a good boy was fine. Now we were, I mean we were excited, You know, and you are going to that. What twice. the Hollywood bowl and then seeing them in LAS Vegas at that. Invention Centre in LAS Vegas. In that you always I you know amazing and likewise mentioning the documentary ETA cool mom that were dead, the drove us across the desert in this funding italian feared multiple, a car that was. I was a fifty fifty chance where there is even gonna make it across the desert. You know how to get thereby we you know we were so fans. You know of the Beatles and enter you know to see them twice and then you know and then to come, full circle on the sea, Peter blood being portrayed coming up, Medio bye, bye,

carnies pretty you know it's pretty astounding. Those concerts lasted twenty four minutes, though, in the you heard nothing you know it was all just as solid scream, but it was. It was like it was just it was cool. You know I did. It definitely felt different, then than anything you'd ever seen seen before right has the original LE programme. Ah that they sold at the at the concerts to its pretty elaborate, really nice, and because I guess was the younger brother. I didn't get want to get to have one my cat retire on that selling that I dont share. Well I mean when you're what bad like the Beatles. Are you are you sort of like? Do you look at them?

any sort of our model or a cautionary tale aura. Does that your end at all, or is it just sort of like you can just appreciate them as fans without having over analyzing? Nor I mean that you know we. We had no idea at the time that we wanted to be especially musicians, but, but if we were to be musicians, that's what we wanted it to be, not not like playing folks. I consider it a coffee house in so so that aspect of pop music That was the idea. The idea I'll eat? I worry you cite anywhere Look, I'm a real up without the music were just that title presentation than that setting a new, ideally that reaction. it had near me: gotta be strong men. Incredibly stronger

shame on us. Is there any type of the end of the many different types of shows you guys have done as their particular one that you preferred you like larger show more intimate shows. I know you said that originally, what sort of a mix of you don't like Archie, what kind of nodding their heads and then screaming fans. What what's more appealing like when people come to see your show? What do you enjoy for them to take away from it? You'll one one thing: they always they always asking we do a tour to is, as you know, on the world you wanna, be doing YO seated theatre types or ones that are more than sweaty raw. can roll everybody jammed up to the front. It shows, and so we ve done kind of with the other playing we Ike Royal, festival hall and in in the UK. Is it really is a different experience than like, like before? I met that sir

EDGAR shot in London, where Buddy just kind of jams up close to the stage and you know. Really it's kind of classic claustrophobic and the others more like you're doing a you know a year a theatre perform and where people are seated in an end, so you kind of Europe figure. What you're not getting that this no response from people of Clovis night being up and down as that, less less the way we kind of almost her liking, the sort of theatre type. Shows more were where people are. As you know, we use in exchange for getting that day. didn't. You know, like you, notice you for a kind of crowds sweat on you, but in exchange for people. I kind of really looking Are you in a kind of like in a certain way was depreciating in it it in a different kind of way, and so on.

we are we really. I don't know why we we we like both in this festival, shows to wear their their camp or it's the their thing more, it's more of a rocket sperience. So I don't know we'll. Both settings have their their appealed So you know where I would like both things. I think one of the things that enjoy the most. Every song sounds like. I think this is how this is just whatever the were feeling when they wrote the song. I get really just feels like such a because a lot of those who will go. Oh you know- and you guys are really funny we make. There is definitely a bit of a cheek element to some of it, but also not like a tremendously sincere and I feel like sometimes I've noticed, like sometimes guys are screwing around people who go our they being serious but

other times near being earnest. They might go there just kind of screwing around. Do you find when you're writing that it is just the most kind of onyx? Honest exploration of like dick around to me, as I really feel like. They really just felt like the day that there are writing song like I don't have anything to do with Dick around right now, and so you wrote about it. Is that kind about works? Well, they, are usually the signs are based on a basis are, they know any better specific thing that happened. You know in the real world of bad news, India and emotional sense buddy yeah yeah yeah, but I think I think that both over suggest so kind of hyped up all the time you know in a general kind of way that that their we kind of poor that

the the song and that that aspect, you know, comes through the wee wee. They just Canada, pure energy of of doing the saw it as opposed to that of anything really specific, the lyrically I think that that what I kind of like about the lyrics months lyrics it you know, are the thing up. Take I just really mundane sorted Situations are things like just dicking around them and then act fine it into something where it becomes like anthem, almost for something that doesn't warrant being an anthem and I think the bats that's it's really good worried and taking a small incident, and now you know that your calls very important to us. Please hold an and so taking what kind of scenario of the bee

put on hold but making it into like an opera. I like as well. I did not mean, does it mean real is well. I feel you really like you no kind of absolutely so crystallize into for one of my favorite recent ones is of hippopotamus. Is this uncle the missionary position which had you describe IRAN is a song extolling the virtues of something that nobody is against Ryan, and some of us are they. The Navy is against. what a rock band to write a so called self effacing full stop like no. No The band is written, his uncle self effacing. I love it either when you, when you sort of when you look back and an obviously you guys, are still working a ton, and I think that there is a new album coming out this year. Correct

We were working on a new album yeah. You won't be out this year, but were workin on right now, another one yet also doing a movie as well right. There's your doing. Musicals well yeah It's it's all finished it, sir, It's a movie project that we initiated about eight years go call the net. It's you got the story and it was gonna, be sparks next album eight years ago, an idea, it's a long story short, it's now atoms Iverson Next Movie, that's coming out is going to open up the can film festival. July and so on. Yeah. It's something you know like that. We talk about a lot on. The documentary is just these various on projects that had we been applied, of throughout our career and none of them kind of

seeing the light of day and that. Finally, now at this point in our career rehab, this color really high profile film. that we that we initiated and being Britain's directed by a french director last cracks in that field So real, are you able to take it with the same sort of like you know? Success comes and goes. It is what it is, or I mean again because of so many stops and starts, particularly with film, because I know I at least according to documentary. You had your heart broken more than once when it came to You know getting into an area which I know you are very inspired by french Innovative Cinema, making Fellowmen musicals, and so does it feel so you are you able to kind of girl. All this is yeah, this feels nice I think I'm ok, I'm comfortable with this happening now and not then you know kind of ecstatic about it, because it's done is so it is something that you know we worked on.

Eight years to finally have a film that you know too. You know too, come out at this point in our careers. Ino were were were kind of like down in a certain way because it you know what it takes Otto stammers. We seen with the documentary. You know four four EDGAR to take years of his life focus on this policy has other thanks to these working on, but to focus for three years and to have a group of people folks for that long. On on one on one project it's pretty astounding to find people better that cannot than that. a kind of stamina and then it it happened. You know with this movie musical and now that we ve done worse, is better eight years of work on on that project. Again,. to see the light of day and so for it to be even

and the chance to be the opening up of the can film festival if nothing happens within the movie. Were we're happy that that that that's that even that's enough for us. That is pretty amazing. So too quick questions. First, one is to run up. What are you when you look back at everything what're you most proud of. What are you most a proud of that sparks has done well, I think just the idea that we been able to continue without further feeling, like were slumming to do pop music get at are at this stage. I am I'm proud the gravity I gotta go into the studio even now and do pop music without it seems like somebody, that's detached from from the passion of doing that kind of music. I me other people might feel that we have no right to be doing that at this stage, but that this

what we do, and this is the kind of music tat we love so to be able to be able to make that kind of music and kind of explore how far you can take pop music. For that long time is something that that you know I'm just I'm incredibly proud you even aside from the however ready, but he judges the equality of of, what's being done, just that idea that, from our own standpoint, rivers, honestly due to pop music at this stage in most people, aren't able to do that. The big feel that they have to be more reflective more true to their age, in a certain sense, they never to our aims? Last question and I'll start with EDGAR it'll be really quick. Edwards gotTa Edward editors, gonna jump by the way last night salvo I just want to tell people I'm very excited about under this is gonna, be

I'm very excited about their movie. Listen, maybe wait, wait, wait when this is where we really come together that the union is that we both have to may be carried out at the last question, so these are planned last question: a server that Gerda Griff. You have to jump, as I think you have another thing then go ahead and jump and I'll email you later, but I just want to get one last little chunk of wisdom from everyone, starting with a girl for people who are in the artistic struggle. They don't they're trying to rectify our commerce data. Not they should keep going give up what to do, how to find themselves how to be true to themselves. So just piece of advice for people to keep going and ultimately stateroom who they are. Edgar will start with you and then we'll go down the line why is a tricky Muslims, as is sometimes I hear when people say I'll, just be true to yourself and for your passion. You know you do get people Kukumba

say yeah, that's easy. If you got money boy, if you have the money- and I think the thing is, is the light in film, least there's always a way to do something. I didn't come from rich background and I didn't have like any connections in the industry or anything, and so my first some cause absolutely not and is it the vessel was, I know, but you didn't have to be labelled, the come out with this. Kay no sex life and video table reservoir dogs dragged the gay. It's ok to soldiers, but the key thing is like trying. I think I love you, don't get even that FARC as they get scared about putting themselves out there and failing. You ve just got to come and go for it on whatever level you can. So that's the advice really is that it is the sort of like you know not be scared of, like so growing up in public, well I'm just a guy can cool, I mean what EDGAR said. Is you know I I it applies to muse,

it is as well set. You know you just have to jump in this would only advantage of music. Maybe over films is You know you don't need that tools to lease be doing something you saying for free, you know, there's you don't have to a voice, so so it can be done more easily. Maybe then making films is. It involves a little bit more further money or something. But but you know, I think it with everything I think it's just the desire to do and in the desires is. Is it They are two in your really passionate about it. Then you should just pursue it

and run what about you? How do you stay true to your vision and what, if you don't even have one? What do people a great great? How do you know what that is? I don't know who I am. I don't want the buck to write about like when you get to those moments. It doesn't feel like you ever get roadblocks, but obviously everyone has some type of you. No obstacle sometimes to push through. So what advice you have for those people, two states that our vision and even to figure out what it is on that sure what a person's vision you know they also mean when we started our vision was to be a copy of the rule, the king? So so, if I gave you just have to be portion, fine, fine, some model that that really excited you and then hopefully you fail. Miserably it copying that exact? maybe maybe find interaction is, I think, of you, If you try to analyze, what is what is my vision

I don't even know how you don't even know how you do do that. I think it would paralyze you, so I think it's better just try to find a general model and then just have it have been kind of work by whatever you're basic personalities. yeah, I guess the nature. That question is probably too over analytical, so in just in terms of like well, that's not just follow what exe It's you write about what you feel you know like in those moments when you sat down and when you see down to work every day, and I very much understand and appreciate the ritualistic nature of like same time every day go here. Do this, do that? Is it? But if you don't We have anything to say what do you do in those days? Well, yeah. I think that that's one thing: people assume that Europe, fired every single day and you love.

You know so in our case, rather than kind, waiting for those days, an inspiration, we we gonna push even in the writing process like like it. If I wait for that, both of widening to strike it, you know can be that of a long time between those in so sore it's kind of forcing yourself. Even if the moments were you don't feel really excited about the even doing it just it just to do something. Maybe maybe day something war will happen and then and then you your kind of hers, I a moment of excitement about someday, even though you didn't send the start today that way, of the weight for for inspiring

should. I think you have to use even just their ties- words just plodding, but in the grand scheme of things those moments might be, the times worry were what you come up with. Is his planted, the the most amazing? Well, I cannot thank you enough for the chat with just such a my wife, and I absolutely love the movie and I'm everyone who scene it seems to love it to end. even though I know this is all just part of the journey. Just thank you. Thank you for doing what you have done for so long and showing people artistically that it's ok, to be who you are without compromising interest not to get sucked in by the other stuff that you can't control. You can control that you shop every day you can for all that you are working in writing in trying to forge a bath and That's literally, all we can control pretty much, and that is just such a wonderful testament to not just not worry about that.

LT. Thank you. You were so appreciative of how Agar would presented everything just you notice that we felt that there wasn't necessarily a story there. You know about like other rock documentaries and others like you know a key issues of of drugs and die Edward slides and all sorts of things, but figure was The dual like this, believable job of presenting it way that dead dead how to use the term. It is interesting, but is that that that you want to sit there, for two hours in twenty minutes and narrower were deeply appreciate debt to the job that he did yet doesn't feel like two hours and twenty minutes honestly it just it really. It just moves. You know such a good. Just such a great story, and- and I really hope you know the- hopefully all you Know-

I again and allay sometime when that's the thing that is allowed to happen, a guy like starting to open up a bit now you again we are actually so we will there's gonna, be announced, stir shortly, but the the beginning of of next year. We we will. be in LOS Angeles, Sun and lots of cities in America. So thank you so much. It's good to see you both, and yet we fear and soon The thing is grossly return. I lie. Thank you recording stopped. I need Andy's incomplete, complete.