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friend, Jesse Thorn, who he might have been the first podcast. I was ever even a guest on Jesse Thorn ages ago, the sound of young America and, of course, Jordan, just go and now it's bulls. I would through national public radio and and also the Bulls Ipod cast an gotta maximum fun dot, org defined at all the thing that Jesse Thorn is up to or follow him Jesse Thorn on Twitter G S, eighty age or in or bulls eyes at bulls, eye on Twitter as Well- and you know this is one of the situations where I really should had among years ago- and I didn't, but now we did so it's fine now, you know the years, but my father says the day. The months turn into days in the years turn in the months it goes by so fast. My father does not have this accident with ASEAN represent

him right now for the nervous pod guess number three sixty five. This is Billy Hardwicke, Professional, Bola Zella, getting up, don't weird, and if it looks like what I would imagine my dad would look like. If I didn't know him nor me nervous calm, America's radio and podcast sweetheart. Aye. Sir, and here comes Jonah re. Please don't we just sit down with just sat down generate just like you said enough time.

To introduce adjusted as using fire, but you can't sing beautiful songs with all your guests needs. No just you! Thank you. Just America's! Sweetheart thanks, guys haven't, shows you doing now is bulls. I Jordan Jesse go near national public radio programme balls. I Commie Programme, Jordan, s ego sidekick on Judge John Hodgman Men's where video websites but this on international quiz show international waters I think that's it right. Am I missing anything? You guys probably know better than I China is probably not at present. Knows I'm the worse. You do know you never do it. You know it's in your show, do no, I don't have they have not I'll have a list of if we're. If we have clips for a guest foreign balls, I I have not, but generally speaking I dont have nots I'll have to dial have a list of like the songs we have clip from or the scenes that we can play a little bit of or whatever.

I'm trying to remember how I first met you, but I believe that it was probably around the year two thousand and five or layer was an earlier. I gonna say two thousand, as I was still in college, and I waited from college in to them three, so I'm gonna go with. We met in two thousand two or three doesn't your three. So maybe that was had to do maybe firm and- and I came on- and did a hardened firm, something or other two of you guys you for. I think you are guests on the show. First or you were a guest on the show Chris in you. When MIKE drove up to Santa Cruz to do a beneficial for my college, radio station tat fry- and I remember thinking- why does Chris Hardwicke Dr Bmw five hundred miles to do a free, gig and I remembered

You gotta, be in dairy cows of shipmates that central, no, it was a Mercedes yes, shipmates was a good job, but it was really nice of you to do for the two of you to come up. I mean you are working for free, I, we pager gas money or something else. College radio station, but I that it was a benefit for the college. Radio station is really nice of you and we re de mille, to make one point: five, whereby five one Finally, I downloaded Mozilla Lebanon. Where you live here, I wonder if we so we sold out crazy town Hall, you see Santa Cruz. I think we probably sold three undertake its. I want to start using that of the one point, five hundred I've been going to start using the old outcries key town hall like going on here, As a mayor, as you know, we all did we do we Stock Tom Lair at any point, or was he not? There was a lot of Tom Lair Talk, but he wasn't around. I did take a classroom tom where you took a glass

Great Tom Lair I did. It was great. He was an american musical theatre class. It was taught by him into other emeritus professors. These eighty is now, but you this is ten years ago. He was still seventy ash and the three professors one of them was an american studies. Professor Tumblr was a math professor and the other was a french professor just mocked each other the whole time, while one of them was trying to talk about light opera? but ever in the history of musical theatre. The other two would basically be heckling that one There was a video of that them every fucking class him and he is really funny man in the only the old. Basically, the only songwriters that he has any respect for, since roughly eighteen. Sixty can I take a guess. Yeah await. You mean songwriters that have come since nineteen sixty songwriter songwriter since nineteen Six- oh, I don't know, I was gonna, say Gilbert and Sullivan. First, no, what you could prob! I bet you could, if you put your mind, you it between the two of you live about eyes. No, nothing might be Joe,

time dealing where Dylan no not doing absolutely not deal songwriters songwriter. Since nineteen sixty some reticence, nineteen sixty wait them up against orator. Matt you draining saw they rightly giants. I'm just saying it's not something the tumblr would be into recent. They like him. So much Surely doing there really nice guys they make great music to cover all they cover hustle. All I m pew romantics, or is it going to be no it's I'll! Tell you what it is it Stevenson time? Ok in Randy Newman, already know it makes sense soon, Simon Rain, no one. Who else would it be parallel? Some new? Maybe you could see Harry Nelson, but he likes it. What what Tom layer likes, as you can hear in his songs, is he likes a really really complicated rhyme scheme? And that's what Stephen on time,

maybe less Reimer ever Thomas. He is the bank's. Certainly I mean undoubtedly our son. I'm would give him a run for his money, but a tumblr is definitely the best joke Reimer. There is no doubt that if you want a rhyme as the punchline to a joke, whether joke is it can't, you can't believe what I just thought of that rhymes with the first thing that I said then you're gonna work go somewhere or I guess Wayne Brady on whose that guy and come up with a real, fast yeah So so handsome you seems like a nice man. Yea does This remember during the super looks days he had this idea. One! Do it for a web series word, sir, so embraced here he goes to a restaurant, some sort any waits for somebody to recognize him, for we are being sing song Brady Azure and, unlike if some they ask him here. Go oh yeah! It's me, then he just can assert singing and singing stuff and like job now them, and then he just keeps on doing it, and it's all like an enduring tests to see how long people will put up with ready

pretty solid between Brady arriving late, I'm just thinking about Vatican rag, where towers Hamas as a good agreement. In line in that professional step into the small confessional there. The guy who's got religion or tell you if your sins original, like that's fucking amazing, is another one were where there is one of one of the lines ends: genuflect genuflect, Genova, yeah yeah. I have referred. Down at at at at at at at at first you, if you don't know where to go to lunch, you go or fashion sets what none the Ritz. I will say, though, item: where was a really great professor and ease very deeply misanthropic, but he kindly allowed me to make announcements about my college radio show in class. Why would always complain about it after he had allowed me to do it

he ever, I would raise my hand and say you know, like Chris Hardwicke is gonna, be on my show this week. You might know him from shipmates and and Yes, Tom's favorite show shipment did well to heal the Heath he always told me who he and I were very closely as in the class. He always told me that he thought that blind date lacked maritime Ellen What if they put that out on the sea, exactly oh, it starts at first you get down, on your knees fiddle with your rosaries bow your head with great respect and genuflect genuflect genuflect, the classic. That's so fantastic that you had a relationship with Tom. Where he's one of those guys I've many times in the pot gas, I've said I was gonna call em cause he's listed, I'm going to call him and talk to him, and I never do because

I am horrified that Avenant, I think too long random mining College went called him in the phone book and went over to his house. Just said: hey. Can I offer you? Ok, it was there. Was that kind of it's by their got back, I'm their particular friend from college, a million dollars on the amazing race. Ah, what a good unexpected MAO on the end of that story, but then so That was a connection that we had and then as a sketch. First with another connection now when I first started doing sketch rest in two thousand five, I worked there and you work there and have done at every year since that that was right when you were cut that was just after you'd come on a college and in your soul,

sprightly unemployed, which is why I was working of fur liked in it for a two month stretch it a sketch comedy festival, but that you know sometimes we will say to me: hankers Eirik. You can a major own thing and then I could easily say yeah, but Jesse Thorn did that first near now, look at all the television shows I host you have to start hosting shows first and right, undue pod Canada and then get marshes our work, that's how you do it again. In a way we think all my television shows have been cancelled so quickly by all of them. I mean to the two you try to fit the word content. Everything no, I think, is because no maritime element, no maritime element, Mosul was it the greater the great on. I have those, though the worst name for a show. Gay retentive infectious disease didn't work now so that it can ever so. You would have averted was called the Chad, the AIDS cannibalism, team who had underground. Maybe maybe it's

you d better areas I have shown. You know what I am I'm doing: a crews in the fall Americans, maritime sweetheart holiday maritime sweetheart right now. It's a really good point: Alot Oliver sweethearts or land bound. Maybe show needs to be on a boat. It's me, part time law right, and so you can gamble and shoot people in your whatever. It is. I think we're gonna. U know John Hodgman coming on the crews. I think he and I are probably gonna- do a judge, John Hodgman Intern or whatever that's called international waters, and why are you guys take over other vessels? It could literally be pirate Bay. You could even higher radio with actual pirates. That's a great idea, I'm telling you Molly here I come do this than the nun: let's knew there s Chris! Well, that was two thousand five and I can't remember with the MP: are: how did you

involved with eyeing. That's all. I really show that you were on when I was still in college in two thousand to or two thousand one or something like that. I just kept doing it after I graduated college was called the sound of young Amerika and I was living in San Francisco, which is where I am from in driving back and forth to Santa Cruz, which is what fine, ten minutes, sir you're. Ninety minutes. Seventy five, if you really all ass over the murderous. Dr too. It is a test. Why one of the most dangerous highways in America, it's it's a horrifying and- and so I was driving back and forth and at some point, podcasting late to two thousand for podcasting got in a graduate from cows. Two thousand three two thousand for podcasting got invented. I started podcasting at the very end of two.

And four- and I got a little bit of attention from that- and I moved from my college radio station to the local public radio station in Santa Cruz. Somebody just heard me. I called radio and recommended me to the local and pr station, and then I bought a year after that I signed up with public radio international and at the right around that same time. Actually, John Hodgman was on my show and at this point I had sold my car and use the money to buy equipment to do the chauffeur, my house, because the big difference for me functionally between the local and pr station in Santa Cruz. The college radio station in Santa Cruz was that at the college radio station there were no board operators. So if I wanted a show I had to make it bring it down to Santa Cruz, put the city in the city player press play and like make sure that one in emergency alerts for the hour that the show was running, whereas the other station they had aboard ops like,

just email them the show or actually think at the beginning. I may have literally mailed them the show, but a giant hard drive failed in a tower computer, exactly I sent them a giant, Rio, Mp3, in the art of orbits format for broadcasting. You got it and in so yeah, so like two thousand five Hodgman was on my show for his first book bright before he was not a famous person at the time. People forget that, like what happened is he came out with his first born? he went on the daily show is aghast and me at the time he was. You know it's thirty's here. He had been a literary agent and he was just sort of a mixed Sweeneys guy and on the daily show they liked him so much that they asked him to be a correspondent on the daily show like he went on daily, show as a guest. They asked him to be a correspondent on the daily show, based on that and also based on that he got the mattress pc, as so, he became a famous person and I sort of became his

he's good luck charm because he went on. I shall write before all this happened and he recommended me to Debbie I see a New York which is a big and pr station in New York, and they called and said, Would you be interested in having us run? You know a five episode best of on Sunday evenings and I was like guess w and we see it work, of course, an director and then I sign with Pierre I so that was sort of the beginning of my public radio experience having two thousand six, maybe I'm does it did, was its expanded to Imagine sort of works like radio right like lay each market sort of decides what programmes they're gonna pull in yeah. Exactly so you get it. You get distribution and ensure an stations. Won't look at stuff that that's not with one of the big network. Mostly, but you get distribution. I remember the moment that I got my first like Purdue Revenue Projection and over on in the fifth year, which was the big revenue, obviously, of our five year deal the projected revenue.

Like twenty one thousand dollars, all men. I really chose the wrong career, but yeah they station. Every station picks decides. What shall I mean even now. You know where within pr Now- and I have to know that the people there is there, people it and be our whose job it is to call a station and say ache. Would you give a listen to balls? I would Jesse Foreign. Would you be willing to carry it on your station, and I would imagine that there are people who have been with you from the beginning. Well, either beginning it was. Ask me I mean until I mean listeners, the listeners yeah. We there's this there's this nice lady name, Sally Gray, who emails me one in a while. I was such a great mom yeah. It's how you would Noriega in she she's that there is a once in a while. I'll get an email from somebody who lived insane crews when we were in college and has been listening continuously for the last ten years or whatever nobly like, I loved the

stream, whether man, which was a character that Jordan used to do on the show, which was at the time everything was extreme this before at this point extreme, is forgotten in Europe's and appointed between. It became clear Hey. There was very fresh eleven years ago and the extreme weather man we're just yell extreme stuff, but with actual whether report thus and we'll get an email about something. That, like you know, every six months, somebody we like I went to you see I see or I used to live in Santa Cruz, but we were we were, I mean for a college radio show we were reasonably popular ones and we got recognised on the bus by our voices out The guy was like a he turned around. Owes me in Jordan and Jane over their original house of the show he turned around and said: hey guys, are you sound of young America and we were like whole ship is the greatest thing ever yes and he's like I listen to every week and were like

My god that is so amazing, like we do the show of them on the show it was so great and he was so we he said we said. Are you you're a big fan of showing city I'm a big fan of show? He said: are you big fantasies? Yes, he is like only radio station will I listen to and we're like that is so great and he says I'm homeless. My radios broken half allow these states. Should I get that's great, you know the homeless demo. Don't underestimate it. I shan't, so that was Jordan, Jordan, Jordan, graduated from school the year after I did and came down here to work in tv production ends on which he still does and Jordan Moors Jordan Morris. That's his name! That's what I am adamant boy detective. You got it so. Yes, oh I mean it's. It's been started, other podcast right around the time. You know right at the beginning of two thousand five ish we did show.

A great sketch grew from San Francisco? Doesn't harvest wrinkles there s browser aspirin have really. I asked me how they just semi their new book, which I have all yonder open, but it is suddenly flooded. Sky mall is the funniest book. Age Adulator merely the funniest but Casper Hauser is: if for people who are familiar, is probably one of the, I would say one of the top five sketch groups in the history of scotch poverty. I one time I had gram lend a hand. Oh my show, who created Father Geography, Atwater listener might nanogram linen, has given shit. I am, I know I know, and you know that the guy that lives six thousand miles away from me in England right. You know that too, and he says and said, are you do know Casper Hauser now I gather my friends me said

guide king who can you introduce me to Casper Hauser they make they might be the funniest people in the world. They are fucking unreal I mean first of all, their new book by the way is called, gets Ba. Let that be crazy. It's like ripping about these guys is they'll, come up with a book, pitch. They all live in San Francisco. They dont tool or doing sketch comedy ugly, because one of them is a doctor Williams, a federal public defence. One of them is a professor at Stanford, with everyone's also a car browsers are twins by the way. Yes, there's a pair of twins, yes and they all have these amazing job. So it's not really their number one priority to make a living and television also their way to amazing to to ever make a living and television and they so they write these books about that. What happened? Is they came up with this idea, for it

which is get your NBA on the toilet and humor book cell based on just what's on the cover. There's no fans of humor box is just whoever's in a bookstore needs. A book is a gift, sees the cover. Gus, my friends, get an mba insult. You can sell a humor book based on that and what great is they take that and then to book. Fucking insane mean is amazing. This there's right now they're sending out to people who, by the book I this may be done by now, but they're sending out a wearable diploma to people and a wearable diploma is just this crazy We, like devil cow, mask the also says MBA. At the time I loved I mean if Skype trying to explain what's in sky, mall is like trying to describe far side. Cartoons like you just have to see it, but that law

shot little kid playing with hornets in their referred to as sky month. Obliterated me, I often think of eye off really often think about there's a picture of like a dad with his hand on a little boys back and the little boys pointing up at a world map, and then the price name is Nazi grandpa located didn't thing. It's gave us a couple years ago where they read the correspondence. The guy who is trying to do that on our show one time a maze and with a nigerian scammer nigerian scammer and just that they really engage the guy and they fucking drove him crazy Yeah- and it's weird I mean it's like it's that kind of weird where they don't like it, unless it gets a little a little bit upset

with just a little now a, but just it's just odd enough to make you a little uncomfortable in addition being the funniest thing ever and not in the sense of being edgy. You know like in your face were telling the truth, but just weird and off just something uncomfortable about it, like the creepy devil bowl mask pathetic. Joint thing that would make you, but I talk would sometimes the people who love cast browser and come up to me and talk to me about gas browser. My favorite people like tat noise, while was, is big per Casper Hauser Booster Gram, when it like you boys, just come of you say you know Casper how cause they're like secret dude that live in San Francisco having these straight lace, professional lives. But I bet I wrote that about them, but then right, spicy bony had yeah all the great a sketch of all time. Google spicy bony had re now and watch it don't watch. There's aversion, that's like college kids performing their cause. Talents

Don't watch that you about it, but I really are like those guys there. The guy's dead we, if I had been in great score high school and they were the seniors I would have never left. I would have been the annoying what we can do now like I never would have left their heads on HIV, who I am I mean that has been my life, basically Casper, Hauser, exe, came on the sound of young America in you, no two thousand three, two thousand to two and three something like that and we may in Jordan, went up to San Francisco for their show from Santa Cruz, and I remember just watching that show in thinking holy. Fucking shit that was the best comedy show I've seen in my entire life, including every you know, I'd seen me brilliant coming you know, David Cross and Jimmy Pardo in lots of amazing comedy shows. I was like what the fuck is that doing in San francisco- and I say this as a native San Francisco like

How are these people? Not the kids in the hall is the most and they came on our show and in an effort to impress them. We played during the interview liken breaks little bits that we'd recorded for the show. You know like little faked, public service announcements and stuff like that and in a break James James Richmond from past browser turned to Us- and I showed you guys do sketch comedy and Jordan said yes, which was not true when he went to oppress them ever we wanted to impress them and they said, will get you a gig and we immunity Jordan, and I were in a sketch, calmly group that you know we toward for four years or something that we're out of college- and it was just because we had lied to them and told them

how to get caught up in so they embody the committed. Yet they book does a gig, and so we had to write material for the game and get other people to be in. This gets comedy group that we had lied about. That's right cause you performed it sketch best. Yeah Jordan will several times that sketch rest. Who also- and I wish you, the other two people were not comedy people, one of them Lauren pass your neck, is an assistant director and runs a restaurant in them in Austin in one Jim re out who actually sometimes a regular regular guest untowardness go as the master. Would you rather he he is a scientist in San Francisco Bay Area studies, laser microscopes or something I don't wait as they use them in his researcher. He actually studies the microscopes. I don't know Chris, I'm sorry. I didn't bring the heat on the nervous when I No, you didn't bring the he for your friend. Jim is up. I don't know But when I see Jim I saw him a couple weeks ago I say: hey Jim, what's up with lasers and he told me

shit about lasers as a great keep up the good work, whether such applications assimilation thrill, short interaction between later they friend. This is like what it's like, like a laser d, if you ever had a friend who said to you, hey how's, what's up with the bowling these days and you say a bunch of bowling stuff and they be like all also- now. That's ever happened because I'm no one ever said: I'm working on a new game called Improv Denial and it's no but shall know, but I'm not. I don't have a thing anyway, so so lungs long story very short started by casting into being your podcasting. And then you know three years go figured out how to make

it took them along the way I mean I didn't even had a job since I left San Francisco like a job job, but so that's like five or six years, but I was making the first three years of army and I was making twelve thousand dollars a year, but your listeners, because you would do these membership by these these these these, these listeners audience I've still do like very much like public radio in people very supportive, and I remember coming to replace one time where was just boxes of swag, that your packing up to give to people sent him saying America, something actually still have my Sunday, America teacher no end, and it was a pretty. It was a pretty cool like that's right. That's where I was actually you were. I foresaw in real life sort of crowd, sourcing inaction, and this was probably o six may

oh seven, like like we and we have been at the cutting edge of how to barely make a living out of barely make a living. The great book died of other hike. We kick started with the pilot episode of put this on my men's, where series when Kickstarter was stolen beta, Benjamin Magnesia you weren't. Yes, it is. I, like there's, no work yap. They recognize a little hot air balloon logo, which saves a sad sad thing that they did. They put the bullet. Ah, I didn't that nearly dead, so we do we were trying to get Andre under this is their clothing line would designed by under three thousand, and we were get him on the show. Why? and when they finally decided that they had actually given up. That's too bad you. I was wrong I mean, I wouldn't it far, be it from me to promote clothing line designed by wrapper, but it was a really accept. As much as I love both clothing and wrappers button. It was really exceptional thing,

yet Sean Join lives in airports. Now Benjamin Bixby went the way is like the balloon floated away. When was the max function that we make an I did was at the first one. I think that was the first makes one guy next one come which is essentially, I would even call it a convention it sort of like enough a retreat of retreat, its original comedy retreat, where there's a limited number of spaces and its up and like Arrowhead yeah and its at this. The kind of compound that I believe you see allay owns now and people pay to go essentially its super interactive, its job This idea- and you have comedy shows, but then, during the day, you have workshops classes like last

songwriting classes, we actually that it's coming up this weekend is coming weekend in which it will be number five, I think, and and like the coercion classes is pen ward, who makes adventure time really wonderful tv show is kinda. He bade me. This idea was like tat. You should come to MAX Van colonies like ok but this one I want to do just so. You know I want to make a stop motion movie with a bunch of people who a bunch of attendees dressed up in superhero costumes, and it's just a giant superhero battle. You know them no right cassettes. I say I said, let's start making superhero costumes sounds sounds great gonna, be amazing. They did the

that we were. There was MIKE firm and myself and Maria Bedford and Hodgman and cold chaffing coltan tag was there and take was there, and that is the first time and I've by reference it a few times in the past, where we sat in Hodgkin's bungalow until three or four in the morning coming up with movie titles, it sounded like bidding and that's what I like. It was so my boy to be with a handful of some of the smartest people that I could think of with coltan, and in yourself in and Hodgman and Scott Simpson and Infirm and and just you know all night long coming up with these with this shit titles, it's a pretty it? It's a pretty I mean when I go. I dont have to be in charge of everything. That's happening any more because we have taken

went events director now so when I go, I can just like look around and be like man. This is cool this thing and I remember the judge of that very first year. I didn't you know, I didn't know what it would be. You don't owe me like. I had this idea does goal for it, but we We just feel like when you're there I mean you know what that feelings. I because you were there like is amazing place because everyone is unequal footing. Everyone is there because they love to laugh and they love to think and they'll have to make things and everyone is. Everyone is supporting each other, like our our fans are incredibly pleasant. People like we just have really really nice. We early. We, we alienate jerky people, which is a problem for our business, but good for what we do for our gathering name thing. We gotta shows, like everyone in the venues always say like you, can have liked

I know it everyone lines up in an orderly fashion. No one starts any shit everyone's pleasant, but MAX Bunker did what's what's gorgeous about it. As a concept is the Brazilians you keep that retreat, it's never going to get too big. Because it s a method that keeps a burial national, never have to worry about getting rich ass. All that the idea that that everyone, you know, unlike like a traditional con, where now it's there, just so many people. That is, that your constantly hanging out with people in IRAN ding and sing people in the lunch removed. One of the models that I had in mind me it's funny like we thought we should do something in real life, and I was looking at places where we could get an affordable conference convention festival thing together and I was ass. You see I lay on the campus of use here-

and I was thinking like this- is so lame like what is this going to be on the cap of use? Your lay just people sleeping dorm rooms, and this is nothing and they said if you looked like arrowhead and I went up there and I was like oh yes, this is exactly what it is its summer camp because the thing that spat in order either of you guys go to summer Camp Georgia, like I'm, not a very outdoors person, but I did go to who to say the very least, but I did go to summer camp a couple years in the thing about summer camp at special. Isn't necessarily, though, like fact that your kayaking or whatever, it's that you it's that its special secret world that belongs to you, where everyone is friends that you get to go back and visit and it has its own special rituals and its own spent. It's just a special place. It's a flash community! Yes

clean and in it something that in its a community that really mean something to the people who are there. You know like I have I ever. I have friends, especially friends who went to jewish summer camp, who still talk about their summer camp. All the time Oh, it's an important part of their life as a thirty one year old again, and that is what I want That's what I as soon as I got there like that's what I want max function to feel like like. I don't need everyone to be sleeping like I want We want to have their own bedroom, but besides that, I want that feeling of a super special secret place that you get to go to once a year and you get to see or summer camp bodies and be in special world. Oh Merlin, man was there too, lion yards, their melons delight, I adore Merlin. Now he is also he is one of those guys like the Casper Hauser guys were you talked him and you go, one of the smartest people have ever talk to you, my life. Now I don't know how many keep this kind

station ball in the air, because they're going to realise that they are we above where I am Merlin is a unlike the gas browser, Guys Merlin Merlin, pretty manic so trying to like hang trying to hang in there with Merlin when he starts. Talking is not that he's not a listener. Anything is just a he's. So soon and has so many thoughts going through his head and he's expressing them all perfectly to you in your disliked, like Susan Smartness is, must absorb you're sort of like the Maxell tape, guy you're, tired out here in the chair now, and you grabbed the martini described the personnel firm in and I almost died. I feel like getting to mankind at your better that we got there the first night and driving up to Lake Arrowhead Fog Bank,

Fog Bank, no guard rails. That are aware that there is a terrifying mountain pass and I've? U go before four p m. Your fine! If you go after four p m, like a wheeler, this the first year, and now we tell everybody, just really trying they're in daylight and might get there by had it, but this this fog rules into the mountain, the mountain is horrifying. No guard rails, it's one of those. Things where you're going along the edge of a mountain and just to the right of you, is just death. Death yeah, just death was so bad that firm in got out of the car and walked in front of it, and I drove it like a mile in our because we couldn't you couldn't see in front of any, and it was just an end. So he basically led me like a pack animal in the car up the man that we finally made it and and I think you know what it's like went straight on statements and I dont sage. Satellite agencies did send up, and but it also but the activity,

in their member doing a show outside and it was gorgeous and in such a state of great experience has great George was so great things about Jordan's, probably sangree things radically always get flight a review of your drawing Morrison you wanna get lay like MAX. One com is like the most optimal can. Do you make? One is happy, everyone is drunk and everyone is a huge fan of Jordan, more staff. Can I make a recommendation reactor max on condoms? well, we're way ahead of you. We have condoms in are, in fact, not only do we have condoms interbank every year which are donated to us by the folks. It planned parenthood of the Gulf Coast in Texas, one of our listeners is regular volunteer. Therein got gets US condoms every year, but this year is our first year we will have our own max fun, branded lubricant personal loop. Oh well, we're lookin every into Andy. What goes into it lubricant you agreed,

so you don't really know what goes into the that your namesake is. I mean, presumably science goes in Are you writing or do you understand me out for this? Yes, I'm not a virgin, you Know- I'm not saying you owe a married man. I'm sure you are my wife and I share our love. Regular. Do you understand if that's what you're implying the name share? The name of every one of your shows would make a good name for a loop I gotta go leaving out the sound of young America, but now it's gonna be like you. Could she do you think? Maybe that fucking Jordan could be part of a pre. In package. If you pay fifty dollars more, you fucked your more well one year in them. When you're, the MAX Mandrive Jordan, announced that a certain level was the Jordan's platinum angels, and so I think, of your Jordan's planned domain

you may be allowed to fuck Jordan agency. Won't Lee like it that there would be an number of people that would just keep him out by the entire time. You'd never see him you time about sexually active, as I think that leg emperors, yes, there would end being like occur, he's just leaned back on a divine somebody's feeding, him a grape. While someone causes lulled observer, weird cock Nero. He is at Maxwell car. That's debts, Jordan's world I've, I've, always I've been married. The whole time of max mankind, so I've never and happily married, but I've net I've never indulged in those activities. But if your Jordan you're a single guy on the prow, then MAX function is basically a sex. Ten

is madness because here's another thing on drugs, one guy on Jordan Jesse, go one of the things that Jordan keeps coming back to its secret sex parties. We is this theory that he has that all events where people come together based on a shared interest, have afterwards a secret sex party and he'd like to be invited to back and so, and so we ve confirmed and now or of secret SEC parties like civil war, reenact, your sex secrets, anxieties, yeah, you know, renaissance, fair, secret, sex parties, s sex party, secrets experts. These are there things like why there's an orgy and there's a sub snowboard Marty, that's a secret cuddle party, yeah, and- and so this is like a documented interest of Jordan. So just is like. I've talked a lot about my interest in dogs which are miniature donkeys and so people work what whatever view just gloss over that ever since ever since

We, we did a show in college where I found out about dogs. Someone told me about dogs serve relatively early. This, like a GEO cities, website internet and I found out about dogs, and I saw you going to dog website. And let it out it's good anyway. A quiz show we'll never one. I mean you know cute. How cute funny donkeys argue that you don't mean magic that, by its by its like the size of a large doc. I'm just going around in there's people who breed these do not good for anything. You could get a mini horse, but you're not you're, getting weird angry animals version of a horse, it's good. I mean I love or it don't get me wrong. I prefer to horses by far. I just think it's great that someone breeds these, and so we did it His show that wise out of young Amerika. We were cause college. There was rock n roll donks purses country, music dogs. These were to dont farms

and we didn t, however, than they were gonna, be in a quiz show, and they, but they were on haydocks, no just just country music dogs. They had George Jones Donk. I remember well known a dog. It was great, it was great, grew so fine. So anyway, people will come up to me anytime. Anything is in the news about any kind of miniature animal specially dogs, but also many goats horses. Whatever out often does this happen. Very often, people will email me about it. So if something I don't Google alerts cousin our listener basis by Google alerts about many animals and is the same thing with Jordan, secrets ex parties like or, if I may, to show people come up to me. Somebody has a dark. We ve got a few listeners, you ve had dogs, they come up to me and rocky talk dogs with me and what about a dark sex party? No, what we did

your mind out o the Tijuana gutter. I am merging both of interests that many Tijuana many small gutter, I and so, and so people will people feel like they have. They have licence to come up to me. As I'm sure people come up to you and talk to you about doctor who right sure, as so just as we will come up to you and talk to you about doctor who people come up to Jordan Intact, that secret sex parties. We worked exceptionally well. Jordan, definitely get invited Jordan as an open invitation to account if you a weekly orgy in the Pacific Northwest, so that he he's just a his he's, just a quick to our flight away, we any from a sex party. I don't think I would do well at a sex party. I, the concept of it is just too and I think most guys, I think as guys he probably go yeah that befogged sweet

but then, if you really think about the logistics of it, I think it's over welcoming and weird and most people would probably like this guy was re. That's why you want to shared interest to kind of loop things up. You know if everybody's there for the such and such conference I mean everybody's already on board. You ve already got to know everybody. They know you just start taken off your top and see what now because you know everyone. There goes to a dance still hard to ask a girl, dance, yeah, but you're, not new bathing. He had drunk rate the Agora Charette right man Go half hearted ass, someone you're gonna get round as our dazzled by myself and then wait for zone to join in, and I usually happens. I can imagine that happening in sex party if I just don't jerk enough Anville, arrive and hope Welcomes, you might be surprised, depends on how elegant you're very open ended the old Frenchman stood Ah ha, don't you,

here we are shaping a bit. I love love. The idea that there is this. The max function is like a fellow peace where its at a certain time it just flips and becomes really dark. Well know: there's no darkness, that's what's so great about it! So warm and happy like that's why the are group, our crews, both parties, not biz, is gonna, be so great is because it's like perfectly like you're, already you're already in a sort of bacchanalian mine sat on a cruise, because there is many shrimp as you want, but we're back to maritime law. Yes, only and right exactly my twenty do as you want, if I remember he met up, has heard of exemptions correctly and in so you're already, just like we do this so give each other a hug

a tug by along, like a silken, poke inadequacy. So bright day. You know their jacuzzi on a cruise ship Christ. By day. I know I hosted shipmates by day let's reboot shipmates on the Atlantic Ocean Comedy and music festive lap ribbon. Sorry, blue! It's a date between John D Arneil of the mountain goats and the beautiful and charming Nellie macabre this point. What what's we're going lately? The whole new element that would be added to shipmates would be both just blowing up and fires and our outages shit back at a young age about it. When there is a liar and a row, caribbean. Ok, I thought you made. That was an important part in and out there ve been so indicated daily airline rationales explosions. Yes Michael Base, shipmates there been so many like

crew. We had about hours, we booked hours on a really classy crews line and cause there's classy crews lines, and then there's like frat party crews lines like carnival, whose, where all the shoe explosions of happened for the most part, that's like a total frat party rose line, and so we book hours on a really fancy one. But some people made the mistake of booking. There's like that, you know. Mark Mcgrath from Sugar Ray Jes. You may have even Madame impasse. I've noticed reminiscent of television host Party said to cancel the debt. We have those yes, so mark a mark Mcgrath from a mark, it should remain. Friends, remark, Mcgrath and friends, or I was Mark Mcgrath in France. It was sugar, Ray Smash, mouth cracker, the gin blast There is a real man where you can actually go so thus, you that show at the Hollywood bowl or the Greeks and an so Mark Mcgrath. I initially announced that he was that his crews was our bitter rival crews. And I was going to make a series of videos taking down the mark moroccan friends, crews almost too easy, but you know I mean

I needed something to gentlemen. I had on promotional speaking just by matching its taken down, and so I mentioned it in a got in and I decided in it folded like five days after we announced Pope did I base, and so now I forgot about about it because a while I am not a fan of Sugar Ray Mark Mcgrath from what I've heard is a really decent guy and he's famous for being great on rock and roll jeopardy which which is amusing to me and delightful, and so I am I have been in every week, in the both on twitter and every week in the mid credits of my national public radio programme been inviting him to come on both parties at best, and so Here you guys have a big audience if anyone knows marked Mcgrath at my expense mark Mcgrath can come to the Atlantic Ocean. Comedy music festival will have him to a duet with John Roderick of the long, Turkey will have you want to sing a song when the long I'd Roderick Mcgrath do edge. Now? He merely mecca.

Can do one of her famous Doris day sets and she can eat and he can chime in. As I don't know why I didn't market sing backup on the shuttle disaster. Song Wouldn't you like to see Mark Mcgrath or Sugar Ray collaborating with Dan Deacon. You don't I mean like it Static, electrode dance pies on line, or rather I would go on sugar, Ray crews, but I just want to fly. I just I find myself. No one else. We can do that. Can you see case it's late at night, it's late at night on the on both parties. I been right. It's a year at a bar mark, Mcgrath and Fuckin Mark Marin. Are sharing wisdom just shit. They ve learned in their forty some years on this planet, just getting serious right No, no! You don't have now no urge sugar

and bitter Ray come on. What are we doing together? You could teach a class on Tipp rusting. Oh he will you genuinely? No, I mean I'm see from what I've heard I shot to some people. I know that I am wrong. I'm sorry, I gotta go back. Ok, I should have said, should arrange sour re was that USA, martyr, grassland and Marin. Sound. Is there antonym antonym, yes answered? Well, you save it community he can lady. Could you make a note to make sure we get a clean so mark, and I have friends now so I'd taken it denied or even mean it itself further. Somebody so many sent me a tweet. It said their picture of the whole crews is just its nighttime field of stars. Mark Marin is leaning over the prow of the crews. Chip and he's got his arm spread wide he's bellowing to the Heavens. Ah, we

before cuts to Mark Mcgrath, painting, nude silhouettes siren, while he's wearing the heart of the Ocean I'll take article I can get. Are you were so? What is the crews decreases in September, so MAX one kind of spraying, crews in the four? Exactly that's nice, it is how do you have feel about growing the D. The sort of the network and has been for you so far, it's hard. You work you to work all the time right now near I mean it's it's I know I'm not and I'm not constitutionally a hard working man, but I am, I have a hard time. I have a hard time, not starting new projects in

our time dropping things? So I just add a new ten hours a week of work every year for the last ten years, I mean I like, and luckily we may. I we finally managed to come up with enough stuff that I can make a living from all this crazy stuff. You know, despite the fact that we still only bring in for me on the radio, with the whole idea was to support the sound of income. Can now bullseye my public radio show because I was excited? His eye was that you know I was twenty six and I add my own narrow, twenty five. Maybe- and I have my own nationally syndicated public radio show, but the thing is is: is you just are one thing and eastern another thing you know we started toward Jesse goes like this is the best you started to show with Hodgman. Unlike this is really fun and then all of a sudden you just working every hour of every day, a your child doesn't recognise your face. Your wife wants a divorce to have something you want to talk about

yeah Mark having press Navigate Mcgann I've been here it is. It is it's hard it's hard to do all those things at once and indefinitely having kid is as made me think that maybe I'm doing life wrong, but I am really proud of. I have really proud of the work Do I don't know what you're doing wrong? I mean you, you still basically work on stuff. You love, I do and you ve managed to build, thing around that and you make people happy and you bring people together and it's all, it's all super a beaten front.

In positive, I'm really abortive. I'm really proud the likely when I think about what I am really proud of about maximum funded org. I I think of some of the other folks in our network who are getting paid for their work, because I set up this thing in that actually like. If I think of the Mcelroy brothers for my brother, my brother me, who I think are so funny and brilliant and you know- are their show as much more popular than any of my shows. Honestly, I'm just really excited that they're getting paid because we said something together put something together to get them paid and in its happening. Without you know, without anybody having to compromise there, he no more. Girls or sell something they want to sell or be grow. Sir. Anything like that. Or David Graham from STAR podcasting yourself. You know they're, just the most wonderful, brilliant funny, guys like giving figure, think it a pretty fair amount of money or Jordan. For that matter. You know like to get to be able to give Jordan is significant paycheck every month, for

coming in in doing this show with me and and fucking alot of your listeners in just just ploughing his way through Our listener. Bizarre manoeuvres by day see Yes, it other maritime jug. Isn't it I did enjoy out now comes back around so. Is there anything specific that you want people to know about or anything that we can help you promote? Now I mean, if I mean, obviously, if you're, if you're looking for an awesome, comedy and music crews previously mentioned me, performers plus some mark mariner, Madrigal John Hodgman, Nick soon lots of great good lined up comics and others boat party dot base

and you know I hostess- that we just started with national public radio with balls, I three three months or so ago and were starting to really pick up some steam pickup stations pick up podcast listeners and I'm really I'm really proud of the show. I think it's the best pop culture interview show out there, How do you differentiate that between, when you think about Sunday on America and then falls? I do you think of it as an extension or an evolution or just a step. It was really an evolution. I mean there was a lot of things. One thing is it when it was called the sound of young America like a lot of people were crept out by the name because they thought it was like. Not a youth organization or something like that and and we we were only. It was always wanting to program directors of public radio stations. They be like, while boots causes on your show, he's not young baby likes that literal

Literal thing it's real name, so fun name was a slogan, a Motown records, but so we wanted an aim that that reflect the fact that in in my mind, what the show is ultimately about two minutes. An interview show but its ultimately a recommendation chow. So it's about those of us who work on the show you know we live culture, high and low, and it's for you know it's the best stuff, the best of everything, and you know whether it's you know whether its in Macao from Forgot, Sienese, forty, five or its or you know it's it's a fact, journalist to sixteen which we did tat governs and recently also totally brilliant and amazing. You know it's it's the best stuff and I think that our views are really good. We ve had some totally awesome, guess nobody, there hasn't been on your show and fortune.

We probably there had him a guy. Well, there you go. You blew it big time ass. Also, if you have a guy first now, but you know who give if, if you were disappointed by Chris and Jonas, take on South Rogan come but our show or if you were disappointed likely, let there be disappointed, will that's it and that's how it works right? People listen to this show by they, don't like it they're. Looking for something better, I say: listen to my show. That is correct and that's where right I mean this is so, it's a less you. If you want to know what it's like, it's like, oh it's, not it's! Not a chatty show like this show it's a real it's an interview. You show it sort of like a less emotionally exhausting diabetes unlike you know how, like I really love, I mean me and a friend who also work on both who works on balls. I with me produce marks public radio show marks friend of my, I think, he's brilliant, brilliant guy

but at the end of a episode, deputy, sometimes using cheese, and now we retire to have that part there in a good way on a bad where mere fuck you really been through the ringer. Is you take a serious like watching Kramer versus Kramer's on or breaking bad you're bringing were afterwards is like? Oh, my gosh yeah great. All that I have had a lot of feels yeah, exactly awesome, Jesse, it's it's lovely to see you and my humble apologies. So long to have you on the progress and will certainly not the intention to take this. I'm just happy that when people email me and say When are you gonna be on nervous? I can send them a linked to this now, instead of just being all day, I'm gonna we're gonna hold out. Is why analogy? I know it's fine. I understand when I Anderson because a lot of really amazing people on and a host of March, and pr show. So I say: don't ere it that's my recommendation to you and I we won't you

that's reason- and this is this is just for us. Yet I just want to have a conversation. Is just good to see you we need to create a weird thing so that every time we see you there can be that, like all we're, gonna put it up next week in areas like we just wanted to create that social situation in time. I accidentally deleted an interview with Bilbil and I felt so bad horror law was a really great interview and the probable- and I just told I just you them and said- listen in two years when we both gotten, the content of that interview, we'll do it again and I ll be fresh again, and it would be great and we did it. He was amazing the second time, but I've felt bad about it for five years and you feel ok about it now. I feel better about it now, it's time to let it go put it in the new building in the Benjamin Bixby Shirts balloon and release it into the bill. Bird. Forgive me, but why everyone to forgive myself smart, I mean.

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