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z. In the decades we said, dig it out to clean up some port authorities, we're just talking about stout comedy books that we read when we were younger- and I said I had read- stand up comedy the book by Judy when I was in college and while I probably read it now, actually aiming to get you to think in there. Mission of writing is not a bad thing. Yeah I mean also watching a lot of comedy like watching the comedy you like and then just picking that apart. I think it's just as good yeah yeah, what did you watch when you were grown up your area under your lot younger than I am younger decade- bread, let's not by a lot of but that also bag. I grew up watching like central really got going on us like, unlike his fifth Express, that's adorable,

I was watching the cavity channel watching the Higgins, boys and girls are mare and on that would the comedy channel before his country's central there was. There was all there was a lot of their was like Alice was on and it was also those those compilation shows on come essential extent of stand up and Shortages Van Theatre, which were the deck. Now of all those he's dead cat talking about the same thing, there's an exit any six there. Then there's like fifty seven, but that was after that those sketch shows came on after kids in the hall was over and it was like that vacant lot, which had Mark Mckinney's brother and with other guys name, but I just now but like yeah, so I don't know like I just watched was there was no comedy scene in Hawaii that was good comedy. It's all. Just racial based in Hawaii do performing why I am actually going to Hawaii. Men are really work.

Model in Mali and the Blaze Dale Centre. The boys are real, that's where I saw my first concert. Metallica now you know, Jonah looks Keys from is actually what he's hawaiian. He he's hawaiian, he was actually born and raised in native He is a native Hawaiian yeah. Well, my family is better Filipino there, just a little bit just a smidge yeah. I love so much thing that Filipinos love, a lot of filipino food has vinegar. I guess I could see that's the cat. There's no other than my upbringing really can likely equated to like a big improvement. There's not a lot of university ality. No, none! Really it's like every time. Every time like you know, like people, ask me why don't talk about Hawaii or growing up there, it's just because there's so much else you have to know to like you know to understand. Why don't like some moments or it out, there's like it took a lot. You got it comes about. What's gonna hit you in the face has happened before they just like grown up it s, so

Jeff again. Yes, when you first started when you were doing how we look, what what shows that you do? Your first television shows. The first show I did was Caroline. How many hour nice, which was very exciting, and but I you know I you know you know, there's no comedy central when I started obviously and um, but I remember watching MTV half hour and watching it going. You know what I can do Davis, especially that like I like failure, river half hour, comedy hours being like It was ok, but it wasn't it wasn't out, but that some of it is just like any season of any stand up shall rise. You get to that third, one that what season and then they were like right. What else do we got yeah? That's when I got there, people start getting opportunities people by the way, I don't think Caroline

has changed their set or color scheme in that club. Since that time, it's still like purple, yellow orange or whatever it is, and also you know I did care aligns probably their fifth season. So I'm part of that same element, the colors of the Harlequin, they land with Darrell and it was yeah. It was very exciting and I was I was terrified and it was a big to do. You know 'cause. That was like you know. It's like I feel like stand up. Comedy are always trying to build up credentials to have legitimacy. To stop that conversation I mean it's. It's different now, but back then it was like very much your committee and have you been on Letterman, right or other tonight just now? You been on any of these. You know evening at the improv now then you're just a lunatic right now. It's like you know just say this podcast and everything you know and the underground alternative. Seeing people, I think, have a different context for it.

When those guys like like Jake Johannsen, who have done let a man you ve done, let him in a bunch too. I think he's done it like that. Don't hurry tat is what I think I'm looking at you like closed authority or maybe forty time. Forty forty times unbelief do is the defined that people are recognizing you from the Letterman appearances or from the talk show appearances did you feel like yeah? It's not. It doesn't have the same impact that it used to have yeah and now now, Really I mean you know yet the Letterman thing it's weird cause. It's obviously you know with all this shows like the daily show in Colbert, and you know the Kardashians and all this other.

I said about the Kardashians examinations. There's no, you know, there's no nighttime destination to watch these like there's no focal point of any entertainment, but yeah. So I mean, I would say you know Letterman some, some Conan, some, you know like the nerds. You know like me, that was watching Conan, you know, but other than that you know not really. You know it would never change your life. You know supposedly there's the story of like uh. I can't remember his name, but you know like if did that tonight. So obviously it would change your life, but also, if you did the tonight show and you announce the date, it would sell it out, but you know now we all know you do a tv appearance and it doesn't. It doesn't even sell tickets, not a little wanting it drew with Tom our he said he was like, like the day after he did. Jerry was like the deputy Carson. His life was different from then on. Why, like there was his eighty, so that hasn't he doesn't see that

haven't anybody more generally, not me would you? Are you glad that you started when you data? Would you d think it did the thought of just start right now. Is that terrifying to you or do you feel like there are more opportunities now? I think I think it would be better to start now, because I think that when I started I started in like that: post, cable, Oh a short attention span, a kind of in that era, maybe not short attention span, but Amy and MTV half hour comedy I had kind of there was a comedy. In the 80s and so then ninety is, you know all of em clothes, but then there were all these comics. This is almost like a homeless problem. The end there was no like there was no alternative. Seen there was no bringer shows right. It was literally, you know you take a train

out to Long island and see if you can get on their showcase show right. You know, or you bring four people too. I mean, even though I said that there's no bringer shows, but there was like maybe a bringer show at the bus and comedy club, but there would be open mites with just literally insane people and that would do poetry. You know there was no I'm. How do they? How do they take the porch reading when you're trying to do comedy? Are they like you're, not taking art seriously or did they find it refreshing? Well, there's different poetry, readings. You know, there's you know the poetry slam stuff that I wouldn't do, but yeah they're, pretty crazy they're, like comics they're, pretty crazy. Here I mean they're so into themselves. They don't know what's going on necessarily they have appeared group that they might pay attention to, but it kind of definitely influence on. My writing- and you know this next poem is stalled- is called stop fingering,

daddy and now comedian, Jim Gabardine, knows a lot of that stuff, and I was a little bit of a break from some of that heavy stuff. Yeah yeah would go sometimes when us or not. I would sometimes go to alike, music, open mic and say hey. Do you mind if I I'm trying to do stand up? Do you mind if I just do a few minutes and then yeah they would get excited because would be a break from all these sad sack, acoustic, guitar, Dallas, yeah, yeah, other cut, a setback for the first time I ever saw you in person. I was at that's, been commonly festival Ninety nine! I did Poverty comedy movie in the day, the film programme for the Aspen comedy festival or the? U S comedy arts festival, formerly in Aspen Colorado. They were just starting a film programme, so they brought us there and and you're the guy that everyone was talking about after we saw you perform like holy shit. That guy was fucking, amazing and then

old compliment I mean people. I know this is sort of become kind of animal rearing systems, but people are talking about the hot pocket bid for you know I saw you in your Brady's movie. I am comic movie with awesome. I really really great movie and just sort of seeing what happened in the fact that the hot pocket company sends a guy dress like a fucking hot get to your shows. I saw one at that when you premier, during our last our special yeah. It's fair. You know, that's not Alice. You know that was my agent thinking. You don't like my television asian thing, be funny how do they via a cease and desist orders and other stuff, but no, but like them, you know it's weird. It's like the whole party thing. It's like.

I I never do it out in all. Do it at theatre shows, I'm an you, you know you know I'll, do it at the end of his people. Furious or, like I drove an hour and a half from my fifteen year old son, to hear that today the words hot pocket come out of your mouth yeah, but there is something about that. You know it's an incredible blessing. It changed my life, but it's like you know, thank God for the popularity of that bacon. Now now beyond the pale is it was licence to see em teeth. Like there's a whole other ADI Omega guy, but it's it's all get you know, target Like you know, it's worse, so tired of getting massages complain bragging yeah I've run out of pockets to stuff gas is terrible, but it is like you do. I mean I don't need your help: people yelling hypothesis,

I mean people are just walking down the street literally go hot pocket and it's just like a right. You know. I get it to you, it's just the thing. It's just a bit that you wrote just one of 'em. If you had another, do you have another bit? You would rather people yell at you, uh yeah, maybe say hey Jim. How are you, I hope, you're? Well. I know that bit how's your family. How are how are things, but it's it's pretty strange I mean, but prior to the hot pocket there were. You know people knew Why was it was because of this manatee bed, and so like there? You know, hopefully it will change. You know I mean you know. This is all that perception business, so you're, like known as the guy who did you're, the guy from this year I mean I'm sure you ve had three different ones right. I've had a few, the guy and there's a little bit of new, initially kind of like my how they actually know what and then you like. Well, I'm not just the guy from the boat

Shell writer. I right, I'm not just the guy from the data. So what's funny is that people think when they see you on television, they get very comfortable with you and they feel, like. I can say anything of that guy and then they come up to you. And they kind of want to in a weird way control you like a puppet. Do that thing you do or say it like. They want to control you like a video game, and but they also feel like it's. Ok, I don't know if they feel like it's, ok to be honest or if they feel like, hey everyone, probably kiss this guy's ass, I'm going to lay it on the line for if someone after the boat after shipmates started, came up to me and was like hey bro, so you're late, a show, not your best work, a human being again now. Well, I feel, like I mean I have two things to say, but like one of 'em, I was literally recently in the San Francisco Airport, great food in San Francisco area,

and so I ordered a meal uh from mexican place and they give you like one of those flashing things where you stand there and then they flash. So you can't leave so I'm kind of like there got my receipt got. My flashing thing. This guy comes up to me and he goes and he's like in the Hollister shirt and he's like early 20s like hey, is anyone ever told you? You look like Phillip, Seymour Hoffman, like? Oh yeah, I get that a lot. I guess so are you know I'm not Philip Seymour Hoffman, but again in any other situation. I would just leave right now right, but I'm kind of trapped, and so he got so then he goes well Why do you sound like him? I was like. Well, maybe I sound similar to him, but I'm not him. I get that a lot, I'm taller than him and much better. Looking until I tried to answer, then he goes yeah. Well, I think you are

and I'm like. Well, I told my wife later she was like why. Why? Don't you just show him your idea, I'm like because he doesn't need my other ASEAN isn't eight as it is not an official wouldn't leave, he was just kind of like, and this is maximum sane person. This is like a guidance. Twenties was traveling was just like that's Philips him off I'm an indifferent protective- and I just wanna make sure you're not here for treating it out later then, because he thought that I was Philip Seymour Hoffman denying just to end the conversation, so it was like eventually he was like I'm just going to tell people. I met you and I go ahead. That's fine his like what was his next like if he said yes, I am filled his like. Ok,

what would be his next thing? It seemed like that was a sweater. Had this creepy role. I need you to plan it. Yeah I've been planning on raping your face for awhile and let's just go in the closet and want to make another mistake. Nobody went over to like the airport house, phone and Paige Phillip Seymour Hoffman, just waiting to see if you pick up the phone like that was his test and it was very strange but there's something weird about it, because there is something about like I identify with like when when you would see someone like I remember like you know, I've lived in New York for twenty years and I saw Paul Reiser on the street. You know fifteen or eighteen years ago and it's like holy shoot. That's Paul, Reiser, and so I went up to him and I said: hey enjoy your stuff and I left, but I would you know maybe the mid, certainly, but I wouldn't corner em in kind of like say hey. So what do I do this? How do we do that? It's a bad combination when you get recognized by flawed human being. So it is important, though, that there is not going to let you

yeah, but the irony is also that, like the same gumption that it takes to go on stage is the same gumption that someone would have to approach them. So like really these people coming up to you or in a way us yeah, yeah yeah. I mean it's the same audacity, although I feel like I'm terrified to go up to people and say anything to them, and it's very rare that I do but like did I talk. Meetings de Martin on the spot guest already I came and provided I haven't. I when I went back to perform an aspirin did you send a in two thousand one? I was at the same Regis hotel sort of the main hub at the festival in. T Mart was just sitting in the lobby and I hear you know idol. He was my idol four teen idle and I don't went up and you know I was totally out of and I just immediately went into fanboys mode and then his eyes kind of glazed over there was no. This is really

there is already covered in the wake of these words were rushing out of my mouth at once, and I couldn t quite do it and it was, and I became a b- I mean it. I wasn't there should we drive resorted to confront, but, yes, it is something innocent yeah. You want to connect with the people that you see you want to feel like you know, you ve, given meat stuff. I just want to tell you very calm, very sweet, yes and now a yeah, it's like it, but if you are elected in my case, but if you're from holding a three year my three year old Son, whose just like you know, tell these diaper what right it's like, it's not time for like a photo, you know the kids are right here. Could you could you not yell to your friends? I was in Vegas once I was walking through the lobby an I saw, a Steven Wright and I was a huge Steven. Wright fan growing up and I was just like I was kind of been up all night and really messed up and I was like I was like. I just want to say

Thank you. You know just like hey, I really like your stuff. You know they didn't want to. I don't want to get into a conversation with anything, but I went up and I was like Mister. I just want to say my name is Joan I'm a really big fan of yours. I do comedy now, and you were the big part of that when I was growing up and then they all, while thanks man and then I like a boost- and I was like well nice he's like. So what are you doing in Vegas? I was like. Oh well, I just say I'm here for friends thing just hanging out, but I know you're busy is like oh cool man. Well then, we just ended up saying he wanted to talk and we ended up talking for about forty five minutes. Just like chewing the ship at the end of the conversation was like. Alright, I'm getting them going up this conversation, that's how good he is. Forty five minutes he's very tight in conversation when you said he invited you to show yeah, I saw walking away he's like hey Jonah House. Ok, so would you and your friends want to come to the show tonight and it's like fucking right yeah? I gave us a solely was really just you so awesome like it's so nice. Very important story. That thing is that the Ngos to monitor- I bet you would see later

the validity of the bird What would you do that? I thought it was a very try way that was hilarious. Yes, whatever he does is funny. I didn't say great if you were like and he was so high enter ass. What was at his bag? Guess what props all these jobs that he made particularly time ever seen them? There were a few like seminal, Stana comedy specials. For me, one was a knight annual young comedians, but the Ruddy Dangerfield night Benare, uncommitted onawandah stuck out, but it was like Kennison in law. Henderson a reader Radner inside it was on it and other that, like it was a big, it was a bigger than another, another one in the 90s that was like Janine and appetite and and killer was eyes. Drake sailor was drinks. There I think, was on yes and killer. Was this lake

skinny wiry kid who jumped around the stage like a mad hobbit it? Just when you know he's, I mean he's one of my favourites, but when you know is that now he just kind of stands in one place, but watching him jump around and go yeah that amazing amazing. Do you ever do any of those young comedians? So I I don't know I always wanted to, but it's amazing when you look at those specials now like some of them were like at catch a rising star, and so it's like literally you know, it was definitely pioneer times because you know I mean comedy is some of it's. You know it's timing specific, but like some of those you're like whoa, you know like it's. You know sometimes there's new faces at aspen or whatever, and you know then you know a year later, like I'm a published this now right. Right like these, you know that those HBO comedy specials that was like the

but the cry all launched some is but some of those people you're, like you know it wasn't working you're right. It's not just the fact that it was in its two thousand and seventy eight right it was just like. While I was now then the cream of the crop that you have now so now. I am where my favorite things about, because I've seen you live many times play the Wilton last year. Is you right in a way that I I I I wish I could rights, but I think of you and I we take as a compliment, but I see what you do is sort of a really comprehensive Wikipedia thing where you introduce a topic and then you manage to hit it from as many angles. As seems humanly possible and every joke is just as strong as the one that was before I mean what what's your process like? Do you just go? Oh this thing that I kind of want to tackle, and then you just start writing punches for it.

You know Jeannie an I. You know my wife Jeannie uhm. It's you know it's like you know. You do stand up for a couple years and you just end up getting into a certain kind of method of doing it and you might evolve and change. But some of it is, you know the price of introducing a new topic. I feel it's kind of exhausting to the audience and and there's also kind of like you know you know getting all the chicken off the bone. Everything is about food for me. So if there is something about like you know, you find a topic and then you know you tear it apart an if you have like ten jokes, then you know there can even be jokes

they're not AA, but within the context of the other jokes it can. It can survive and be very helpful, and so I don't know I mean it's weird. You know it's definitely like how Carlin did things you know or how I aspire. How you know like his chunk on suicide? I think it's just like my favorite. It's just comedy ever it's just so thorough and so like different styles of and different. You know comedic approaches to one topic and it's done in a very concise manner, and you know his master mastery of language was. You know nothing that anyone can get close to, but I don't know we just kinda

right from you know the top down. I've never heard the Wikipedia thing if it feel that's what it that's. What it's reveals like it's like a topic and then all the angles on that topic, I mean it's all. You know in its different in different points of views and its placement stuff. You know, there's work is like I have like certain topics, but you just get so sick of his time make the site you know we're working on whales and theirs, and then there's the clique, the comedy cliche bag. Where you like, you know it's like I've got stuff on hotels and it's just life. It's like comedy cancer. You like what I don't know how to cook were in nice, it's a new, our we ve got hotels but like let's try and reinvent this based on common knowledge of what its horrible you know like you know, just

after being covered with, you know, sperm or whatever right. So it's like, let's try and make it sperm whales, see where we're going with this yeah. Well, hotels. You know so like there's something about being really throw that you know. I feel like gives you an allowance to be a little bit infantile in a little simple and it seems to be working, but you know I don't know it's like I. I think comedians kind of right. The way they write. You know it's like Lewis. Black just gets up there and obviously it's organized, but it's. It's done from a passion and just throws it out there, and then he write sense. He goes and Louise another guy who's, like he's sort of like, like a coat like a comedy coach in the way that you know I I opened some shows for him I said I you know. I am something similar to what you said about

tells like I couldn't write a premise about. You know airlines that so happy news like hey, there's, no patchy premises only hackneyed deliver systems like I guess I see that, but I still you know is still in. Another guy that won't writing and down. He just goes up and works it out right, which I know is. I can't I'm not as good at doing that. I kind of have to have a few you know, oil memory- and I am also very you- Know- mumble IE and I dont speak incomplete sentences so its eyes- and I think wording and phrasing is so important, but not like the happy topic. Turning it into something new is I mean, I think, there's no one light brown,

Megan, the oh, my god. I mean it's like my wife and I a gene we were talking about this in its like. You know a lot of what I do is kind of, like very you know, not style elastically, but it's my approach to stand up, I feel, is very Brian Regan like Year with Carlin and all that, and so there is something about. Like you know, I mean I just think brain regions like the Basque, but you know I mean I'm very influenced by a towel and tell us very thorough, do, and you know, and also through sing a lot of stuff out tell throws a you know. It's like his crumbs would be. Anyone else is acting like he once I saw him at the improv once and for some reason it just rub the crowd the wrong way, but I folded in half laughing so hard. He referred to Eskimos as snow Mexican. That was the most amazing just

it was just the way that he's a god. That's component, like snow Mexicans and news with LOS Angeles and just the word Mexican can kind of people automatically the pc shutters just go up, but but, as a comic I was like. Oh my god, that's such a brilliant imagery, even if it's slightly on pc, it's like it's just like I'm one of these guys who just loves talking about comedy. So it's like you got me on that, but, like I tell is like I think, like one of the great comedic my and like his approach to stand up, is that you see it in Louis CK and you see it in Todd. Berry and you know like there's some style, but it's all substance. Lycatel dislike, feel free to despise me, but you will laugh at this joke and so like it's, you know it's the anti salesmanship you know like salesmanship in New York when I started was considered. You know, that's like the worst

but the worst crime is to have. You know to win them over and they, like you, re trick them it's the material and the jobs that are way more important. That's like Heaven Brennan as kind of his delivery and tell has it's just a little bit of like on your heels, the joke. So do the work, and it doesn't matter about you. I think that's great, because you see, there's a whole generation of comics from that area, and I see that I see that consistency yeah. You know I mean when I was when I was starting to screw around with comedy in college. The air was right when the whole on Cabaret San Francisco alternative yeah. You know They know they hate that word. I know they hate. The word alternative. I just don't know what else to call it, but but it was anti joke. You were not allowed. Tell jokes, you are not allowed to try quote glowed, you had to bring a notebook on stage be like, and both have most of the jokes ended with yes or no

you something I thought and then it's next thing. You know how to be some, haven't you on that day, you know and then there's like a slow evolution press Supply. You know no matter what the audiences they still want. Some jokes, you know, like maybe financed changing your bank of references, that's a little more alternative, but still you know they still want to see jokes and a kind of involve back into entered into Joe was rikers like when I, when I started over MIKE's and allay around the year two thousand to I not those like. That's when Zack was like really, everyone loves Zack, and it was now announced that it was all all jokes isn't there was there was almost one line, every kind of comics like Peter was a slogan Murphy or amended than man like all these comics we're just it. I tried so hard to just to try and just be a one liner comic, I'm a terrible one like I can't do anything to get my thoughts out so succinctly to be able to like, but, like everyone is doing, Dimitri was doing that out here. It was just that was all jokes, which is funny 'cause. It went from such a ramp

placing just became, but they were do they were doing me. That's the thing with the there with alternative courteous like its it one level of irony deep, so wasn't that they were doing so they were doing one line jokes, but in a in a way that's like. So these are one line, jokes, and so it was a different. It was a different presentation, so it wasn't like a Catskill little golf and access to is that it seemed like he hated himself for what he was saying on stage and it was just like it added a whole character level. I loved watching him crush on the as an elderly, monologue she'll be there, does my luck should be? Did you see it was I mean it was just active being Zack and piano, and but it just it was so refreshing to see a genuinely funny person with an act like. Can you put them before that audience and I guess the opening sketch didn't go over as well, so they were starved for you know, comedy

like it was the last time you did dvd, like drop in on smaller rooms like bringer rooms or whatever Mr Donnelly said now. You know you go those bringer rooms and, if you're a comic, who has any experience you just blocking crush because people are so thirsty for alike, tested material and jokes, you know and then you just clean up yeah. I you know. I think that tier point, like the exact thing, is like like one of the most important you know this is going to sound, really dramatic. It's one of the most important things for comedy the success of Zack because he's a substance guy who's not like he's not there because Miss is not a criticism of any everyone. Everyone succeeding in stand up.

It's great right but, like Zach is kind of like you know, you know Conan succeeding and Letterman succeeding. It's like the substance, there's a unique style, and it's you know. That's great. You know that's much better than like this presenter kind of mentality. You know this. You know real Michelle kind of. Like you look at, I mean I look at people magazine. I don't even know who any of these factors alright right and I'm like so it's like so Zach is not going to be on the cover of rolling stone, because these right, you I mean- I mean I think it is that is our energies into upstage disappeared when substance winds, it's always gets out of criticism of anyone. That's had success, I mean Fox worthy succeeding and you know Louis blackened Dane it's like that, all good for comedy and that's not a criticism of them but, like you know, Zack, is like a unique kind of like you know,

Eccentric, that's succeeding, kind of like tone and is like a true nerd. So when he succeeded, it's like he was educating like would like when I when I know she will when Bamford hits big yeah, that's going to be another one. I mean it's like it's such a look at people like Zach, and I look at people like Maria Ban burden and I feel like my own writing. You know I can sort of workout what's funny and then in front of a crowd. I can fine tune it and connect with them, and you know I get surprised a lot by what they like and what they don't like. But but you look at people like Zach and Marie and you just go they're coming from an entirely different plane like that is a whole other. They just fucking breathe this specific comedy voice and it's so I'm not jealous in the sense 'cause. I can't I can't do it and it's

that's what they do, but I'm I'm I'm sort of jealous in a positive sense like it's so exciting that you know I wish I could be a part of that 'cause, it's so amazing, but it's I love watching it yeah yeah. By the way you and I have the same manager, I'm sure you might know that and before your last special he goes. Alright gyms got like fifteen minute bowling and it's going to kiss you off, because my dad was a professional bowler and I have yet to write any bowling jokes, because I can't I'm too close to it. I could don't worry about it out. You like the stuff to do stuff that you know that you're really

close to in bowling. I could not make funny at all and I was not mad. I was delighted by your fifteen minutes of bowling material and each joke. I was like, why did they suck it? It was right there. It was gorgeous yeah. No, that's fine! It's you know it's weird. I wish there was. You know it's like when you're an observation, Ull Guy, Finding Newton, when your food observation, Ull Guy, finding new topics is, like you know, 'cause, there's. Also some you know it's like any junk. Food similar to hot pockets is hot pockets. Right in,

call. Jen's food similar to bacon or cake, is an indulgence food right so like. Where do you go from there? It's like. Alright. You know I've got like seafood stuff, but it's and it's like you know on this last special I was like I'm not going to do any food, no food whatsoever and then, like the bacon stuff came out, and but it's weird like the topic stuff is you know it's like there's, no reason why I should even have a chunk on bowl. I might have set it up like I do boy, but I never. You know I wrote some. You know we wrote some jokes on bowling and then we went bowling, but it's it's weird. You know like in its that you know it sounds dishonest, but it's it's kind of the the obsolete. You know kind of mentality, you know it's like you can have a cinnabon in right about it, but like there's some topics, you know like camping, it's like it's not like. I don't camping ever, but I think that

only within your we'll have me like that. You know you cause you part of your part of where you come from is like I'm easy game. Just lays a guy and bowing like a lazy guy who likes the food. I do not world yeah yeah, it's annoying that world. It fits that point of view. Do you did you kind of do you kind of set out to have you know cause? You know, I noticed your specials have overall themes. You know like the lazy white guy or the food theme like do you set out to do that or do you just write a bunch of stuff and take a step back and go? Oh, I guess I'm writing about this, so we'll make it about this. Well, you know it's there's you know there definitely is some rewriting and you know it's like you know anyone who's dealt with a call back here like oh, you know what I could call this back here, so there is kind of some understanding looking at it and seeing what

and overall arc is. When you do a lot of our shows. You know you have to have the beginning middle and end, but I think it's weird it's more of a message of how you know after like now they say ten years. You learn your point of view. It's like there's a bit of me. You know I am a lazy kind of food obsessed guy, but it's kind of strange. When you see that point of view I mean you're, the the Nerdist right I mean, and so there you know there might have been some identification with that growing up all through your life but like when you see that's your point of view. You know, like you know, like you guys, you know the pie song and all that it's like you're like wow. So this is my identity. I mean- maybe you do. How do I totally understand what you mean because it you know finally, in a way the way you do

Are you by the way? Is the worst place to learn how to do comedy, and that's where I learned how to do comedy? It's your writing, jokes for an audience that is one 100th of the rest of the audience is in the world are, and you know people laugh usually what Europe these two inside and you can't you audition jokes in other places, but but anyway, what happens? Is you can't really ever do long sets in LOS Angeles? So you keep doing a collection of seven to twelve minutes sets in LA. And you never know to go on the road, you don't get a sense of how everything fits together and its and then and what I found was. Oh my god actually have a joke about being from the south and I'm I never set out to be right. I'm a southern sure. I never, but you know, like you, do like ten different sets and you write one kind of redneck joke in there and then all the sudden you realize, like. Oh that's something in me that was trying to get out that I didn't realize. So I completely understand

point about that area. It's very strange to an you know like I talked to Louis CK about this an he kind of you know he. You know he kind of reinvented himself. I mean he was very kind of. He was an eccentric observationalist. Now he's kind of an autobiography. I don't know how to describe him. You know just kind of uh. You know talking off the top of his head. Biographical he's much more biographical now and so like. There is something you know like you can make it conscious effort to make that shift, but you know for me it's like there's, there's some kind of like

there's something about like you know you right- and you know like I remember when I first did my did my first special everyone said it's unbelievable, there's no curves for its congratulations. Welcome bring the Christian right in the Mormons over me, Jim Gaffigan, and the weird thing is is like that was not some elaborate plan or some it was like. I literally had like curse words. Occasionally when I would do Letterman or Conan, I would have to take him out, and then I had to rewrite so I just took them out. I also you know you have writing kind of assignments that you have for yourself. You know, like you'll, see that you're using a word too often, but so I took curse words out kind of like just thinking. It was relatively uncreative of maintenance thrown in Africa, and so the weird thing is is light. Then you get tired of you, get kind of put in a position where

the boy like you ve got a guy like the guy. Then, if I talk about so, if I go to something like you know, we wrote this chunk on narcissism. It's like I'm, I'm a darker person them but that's not what I'm talking about narcissism. You know either it's funny or not, but in its relatively new there is a bit of like you know the ear, the eye, It's kind of like how hot is it some type of sandwich? How does it feel to some sort of pocket, or you know so it is kind of like a which is probably. Why Dane did that. You know his last special, which was much more edgy. So it's like it's weird how you I'm not making any sense, but it's weird how the journey of your act and your pov 'cause. I think that stand up is all about what you know.

How we were funny in real life and putting it on stage and making it appeal to a group, and it's that constant kind of movement of that and has you evolve. You know so like Louis CK was always a brilliant writer, but now he's kind of transferring some of his. You know single parenthood stuff on stage and- and you know some of his anger associated with just the difficulties of life, and so he made that shift good but like as you evolve, it's kind of like when you see like the really young comic who starts when he's eighteen. These really funny and his persona is kind of stuck in that and when you see him at thirty five and he's doing the they're getting wasted shed right, it looks a little

like thirty or thirty five and you talk about blackout drunk that's like a red flag right. You know about making sense, but it's like it's the audience. Can it tells you do you are? What is its relationship like yeah? You know cause there, there's some colleagues who can have the point of view like fuck, you audience I'm going to say what I want to say: you're, going to listen. If you like and go fuck yourself in the mouth and I sort of feel like no, it's a relationship you give to them and return. The audience has to give a little bit back. They have to make some effort so that the show it's fine. They got a kind of come together and be willing to to get up. You can always foursome and you know so. I totally feel that you know it. Sir. It's a really perfect little ecosystem YO, almost almost like

really darwinian, you kind of are shaped by your environment in a weird sort of way. Well, just 'cause you're going to use a certain jokes and then, like you, realize, like the kind of jokes that people respond to more. So you lean towards that direction more and more and then, like that's, how you become who you are on stage? I mean you really, I know, do you do you, Do you write everything out, so I could like in in detail or do you have or do you transcribe so yeah I mean it's there, something of just to rewrite it and you know word economy and I mean I'm a slow talking guy. I dunno I'm very

how light, which is a machine gun, not long story with a big pay off. It's like you know you hit, you keep heading nemseh you, you know you wanna, be kind of rod. Peru arrived Sandberg rather than you know very bonds, reference Gaza and sells gathered round up shooters itself, but that's the various tell kind of approach you know or even in our George Carlin. You know it's like Bang, Bang, Bang, bang or even Seinfeld, amid Seinfeld Moral in alternative slowly.

But the thing is, is you know that you know personality wise? I mean there's. Definitely some of you know. You know the inside voice, I'm a slow talker and so the the inside voice talking for the audience, I've kind of weirded out a fair amount, but that was like a necessity in New York because I was slow talking and then I would someone would say something you know they build yeah, maybe like so I have to keep talking and where people in New York comics were louder. I would get more quiet. So a little better e F Hutton thing. Well, what's what's amazing about other reference for ever and I remember the commercials, but I am. I think that the inside voice was, you know, even if it was the by product of you, know your environmental, however, You came to it, that's another one of the things we, like God, dammit that so perfect it just it's just. I feel it makes. You bullet proof in a way

that no matter how a joke goes, you can you can. You can do that and and instantly the audience is on your side, and it's so sounds like you know, I I love it and you know, but I it's gotta be selectively use, but it also it's an additional point of view on a job. So you can have your on individual point of view, but the from speaking for an audience. My birthday can have an additional point of view and it can be critical, but also funny, so the whole idea of like to believe I'm wearing a topic down the on the inside voices. Point of view can address at and if you addressed something like even if you're in an argument with a friend, if you, if you, if you can use awareness them that you understand their point of view. You you get a lot of credit for that, and I think that not one word at it. That way is the highest for recovery is exposing a truth. That's me,

that, knows well arguments here, was it like he was right here. I've got to go now. I, like you, you're, export you're exposing it sure. Let me now that you're not that I don't want to get too. I mean you know, I don't want to be too already about it, so I don't need to take it in that direction, but I do think you are you're exposing the truth to the audience and that's instantly funny to them. 'cause they're, relating to it immediately yeah yeah. Do the idea that that I know you said weeding out the swears, which I really wish I could do. I I swear too much onstage right. You know that some of it is. The strange thing is like you know it's like I mean I could go off on this. America is like this obsession with you know. You know we come from an art form that is built around attacking censorship, Lenny, Bruce and Carlin, and all this stuff, and so the

the whole notion of getting rid of curse words or working without props, or you know it's just like it's all relative. You know I mean it doesn't really mean anything. You know like Lewis, black, if he wasn't cursing it, wouldn't make sense it doesn't make sense. It's like, and it's like your personality. I mean I've known you for a while. It's like you know it's not as if you know like. If you you know, if your point of view, Jude, occurs, curse. It doesn't there's nothing wrong with it. But if I'm talking about like details of an alibi, earn escalator. It's it's not necessary right now, but you know there's also I listen to not that I listened to tons of comedy, but I have this Lenny Bruce thing on my ipod and I was listening to it and he actually says exactly what I just said: I'm copy

but he can't, you know, like someone, you know we cannot think of as this leader and censorship bright and he was like yeah. You know the curse words you now. I use my fun if a character, if it's nice served for the character, but otherwise I don't you know it's not necessarily the key it's about it's about economizing and for me, I just feel like there are places where it's not necessary, like if you use the word fucking at the same that you would use uhm just like word. I think it's sort of unnecessary and I feel- and I feel like I feel like it- makes it more powerful if, in economizing use words necessary, like in when India Cosby himself special, where the only swear word it he says. Is you know something about? Like my friend says he takes cocaine because it intensifies personality, and I said what, if you're an asshole, and it's the only time this one that special and it was like

arrests applause, because it was so well used in that context. But there's also you: how is your cursing, if you're doing a spot at Larga cursing is: is part of further vernacular that yeah, it's not like. It's not going to have the effect you know like if you're doing a show you no one in the morning. You might need the courage to get their attacks. So it's. I just also think that light uh, I mean I really do believe this, like comedians, do what they can do and so like when people get credit for being a this incredible social satirist like wow, he really went after Bush. It's like no, that's how he writes right, that's his personality or while this

he, he does great one liners. It's like. No, that's how he right. That's him! That's him! I know him, you know he does great characters and he does great one liners. You know so, like I think, there's you know, there's too much credit or criticism give it. You know like people You know you know. I remember like when Dane made a big people like he's happen all around the stage and like that's his personality, that's what he does. So it's like you know it's like you know the way he Imotz and stuff like that. I just kind of feel like there's. Kind of this is also coming from the new Yorker who believes that you sit on your heel and the jokes more important than the personality, but there is you know. I do believe that, like comedians do what they can so like. If you are, you know if your patent, it's like that's patents that you know and if you're, Zach or Maria you know like Bamford, it's like no one else is doing that right, but

now, I'm sure there's some people? You know she says weird voices. It's like she's, not doing weird yeah she's, doing her comma she's expressing normal voices. Her voice is the one that's weird so yeah I mean. I know it's funny, 'cause. Obviously how many circles Dane Dane Dana's a big is a big hot button for some people I mean, like sends people. To an incendiary rage. Yeah I know had a problem with them. He was personally rude to me once than that that was sort of that fact really my right now, but you know, but I remember when I was younger and I would watch him and I thought he was a phenomenal writer and but then I just felt like the more famous he got. It just became less about like I saw a special of his and there wasn't. You know there weren't as many boat with jokes. It was just more like you know when you're at the movie theater and the preview comes down and then you talk and there was an applause break and that was it now and I felt like a fuck. I know you're smarter,

like I know like go somewhere with it, and maybe that's just me being selfish. He was confused me, like I always confused by people, loving it so much 'cause. I went to school, I was in Boston through two thousand and six, so I was in college and every I was like this is amazing. You have to listen to this and I will listen to it and I'd be like he sounds like you know, having a good time with their, but I don't really see it. I don't understand why you guys think this is one thing I mean been asked introduce them at forgot to even you guys review. I think the Dame thing is very interesting because in full disclosure, I definitely I was this guy in New York struggling. He came down from Boston, you know he did a set at the seller and it was just like you know, and so there was deaf jealousy and you know it was the antithesis of what I believe stylistically, which is the materials. Can you

put on your heels and you do it. But that being said I mean, I think something to consider also within, because I do think he is a good writer, but I also think that, like success ruins everyone yeah? I mean it's like how many you know. I'm just gonna have to happen, though, doesn't have to happen even want to say names, but it's like how many great specials of all of Carlin specials are great like that, special that we love that suicide blast to work great. You know, but some of it is like there's parts of those where I'm like, not my bag. You know a bag bag. My birthday Roxy Ladys, very happy if you pass the grass, but you know I can't believe I'm sitting here sounding like a, but the thing about Dane is like how many hours has he done by oh yeah, yeah yeah. He did with the two hours in one year and so like Louise on that directive

or he wanted to Carlin thing where he's like each year, whole new hour and the whole year builds up to that hour and then I should have special at the end, which is a very british thing. So for me, I feel like that same bag yeah like magnets, the same bag and then going back like farts are bumper sin snow but, like you know, you know, supposedly in Edinburgh, I've never been there, but you know write a new hour every year. Well, I'm like! Well, you know how 'bout you could either do that or you could do really good. The other alternative cultural thing, but I do think that you know I mean you know whether you your ended in or not its undeniable, that he is a really good committee or he's a word.

There's no question: it's different things. You know it's like there's plenty of comics. You know all of us individually that are very successful, and maybe you guys are looking at main and just going you know, I don't think I don't get it. I don't get it, it's funny, people that get it, but I don't get it and so, but I think that Danes, you know the explosion of his success and then kind of like it was kind of the semester alone thing where people felt like they could almost bond in banking on him back again- and I know it became very like it became very Sheikh in coffee servers- realise what they got. Contrary in spirit and may run like a will hold on, and I know I mean you know I again if I would have their feelings about him. If I didn't have a terrible experience with him, and it was sir, I mean, I regret to say it is it's rather than just alluding something MIKE firm and I were performing it aspen one year Dane was that she was on the show right before us yeah and he just went way

long and they were lighting. Emily was like, I see the light, but then you see he like went over like a half hour and it wasn't like you had to get off on a good job he was fucking slaughtering the whole time where we had to cut our show shorten it. Just he never like he was just kind of about it. Never apologize! Never enough, you know, look it's petty of me. Even still give a shit, but I just sort of feel like that was a moment. I was like you know what fuck you now because you know like I can't abide. You should just be cool People using just resided young but that's rocket. That's the rock and Roman all right. I know I know I know and so like every interview where I you know where they they take out, and you know

the views you can talk about an hour and they'll pull out whatever chunks to create that's the perspective that they want. But you don't you see the perspective of of him being like yeah, just reached really deep into my soul for this next special and stuff, like what's up with chocolate or whatever like come on. You know like chocolate, Peppino yet, but so let's, let's also consider this again on the the apologist thing. It's like this. First of all, we are people going on stage and making strangers left were fucking crazy to make to make people want to try to make people like us that we don't know is ultimately more frightening rangers laughed, so you know red flag,

right there, red flag start there. Ok, he also. You know the success you know happened, relatively young happened fast and happened furious, and so it's like you know like. Maybe he was never he you know, maybe so no one went long before him, but in his belief system in and now I sound like some therapists in his belief system. It's you know, that's what you do right over and there there there there there and fill their handful of comics will walk into a club, unannounced and because they're famous they'll do it like an hour and a half and everyone every other young comic was supposed to perform that doesn't get to perform or seven hours. You know it's weird. It's like I remember when Chris Rock was huge and he would do that at the comic strip. I was not angry at him here I mean, but some of it was you know I mean so there is, but

we were doing a two man show right yeah at the time yeah. It's like, I was just doing a fifteen minute spot, but I don't know it's weird, because uh there's something about like the there's something about our culture that is just like you know, Dane, was kind of like put in that mill where they're, like everyone loves and Jennifer Aniston's friends with the blah blah blah and I'm just like. I just saw it coming. I was just like. Oh you know it's not going to end. You know it's just going to be like there's going to be a certain. You know just you know either either Publix going to turn on him, which it feels like they might have on some level. He still doing fine. Like he scales out. He sells out massive venues. He will, I think, for a long time, just did Madison Square Garden like two months. Is that bring her broom yeah bring her show in Madison Square Garden?

She could look, you can do it now if you can show up with thirty thousand people alright. So, but there is something about I mean I'm also somebody like I just like to do my stuff and go. You know again, I'm crazy, I'm going on stage making strangers lab shift because I mean just having had the same manager for quite a while. It was like. I was I've been there when you went from you know, I'm I don't know numbers. I'm guessing making like to render week at at at at at a comedy club, doing seven shows, and then what the year was like. Oh, my God, Jim is selling Peters I mean like what you know. I assume power a lot of it had to do with our special yeah beyond. Well, then you're, a phenomenal online person by the way you have phenomenal email is yeah. I mean you know, but it's like you know, you look at Twitter and it's like what do I gotta one hundred and fifty thousand? It's like I've never been

then you know like or even when I was on my space. It's like. I never had that many of 'em I mean I definitely worked it, which is a sin in comedy right, but but but in some of it was like you know, panic. You know it's like I'm going to Phoenix uh, hey everyone from Phoenix to come to my show. So there was some of that, but I feel like you know it was luck. I mean I think some of YI could do. What I did was the success of Dane the success of the blue collar guys, the success of David Cross and Pat, and so it's like I was you know so, maybe if, if so by Danes, album, maybe their second or third album might have been mine and with Itunes. Now and oh, you might also about Patten's album, they might also bought mine, and then you know you know. Even

the cable guy. You know I never begrudge anyone, whether I like the habit or not. I never begrudge anyone success because to get to that level is fucking hard work, it does not have a lot of luck. It does look a lot of luck. I mean it's like a my Edward and lock my you know my our special it's like it didn't it didn't really uh, you know it didn't, have huge ratings or anything like that, but comma

Central re aired it and re aired it an you know. Eventually it just kind of got there and you know in you know from what it seems it's like when I was in college. It's like MTV was on in the dorm room and you know, and then I think, during beyond the pale comedy central was on in the dorm room, and now I don't know what's on you know, but I don't know I mean so I think a lot of it, but I also have been you know. You know I remember when I would go to cities and do you know the improvs or whatever? I would always sell well because uh- and it wasn't just you know- like I kind of described it like there was like always two elements. This is me being a narcissist, but there would there would be two elements so like people would know me from the 70s show and stand up so then they would go there. You know they would know me from sex in the city and

none of them. Then they would go and or they would know me from super troopers and stand up. So there was a lot of different reason, not as huge reason to get people there enough. But enough and a lot of and a lot of luck. You know, and so a lot of people in that habit of maybe going to a theatre because of Dane yeah. We are at the end of the hour, but we've been talking with Philip Seymour Hoffman excellent sounded like I'm always nervous. When I get it, I know you don't know what it is. You have to understand that it can be a dicey roads to start talking, seriously about comedy were better, but it's not because you know like I feel, like people who lives and certainly the three of us are just so fascinated by the process. I don't, I don't think we're not talking about it and coming from a place of like hey man, we got comedies number were coming from a place of curious inquisitive people who want to see what your experience is like verses

cars and other peoples 'cause we're just trying to figure it out too. So, there's one there's one thing: you'll always find with comics. Is that, like everyone, has that story of this after a show going to like a diner and then talk until like four in the morning about comedy and there's a certain type of person that gets that idea we limit and we think we think about it. Nonstop yeah, there's different philosophy is like like I've. Had these conversations with, like Jordan, Rubin and Todd Glass and Ian Bag- and you know going back like eighteen me and Geraldo. You know I'm laboratory all they wanted to be like Brian. I wanted to be like David tell when we started a kind of like it's. It's kind of funny. Surgeon. You're onto a sort of constantly right it just eat. You do do day, one rat them doing I'm trying to do a lot less. Just because I do now. I you know I went crazy. You go crazy doing you know it's like

traveling I mean. Maybe you know some people are you know, but you just I was doing these shows and then I was doing meet and greets, and I just kind of like you crazy, where you're like you're, like all right, let's drink and then you know like and then you wake up and you're just like, and then you get back home and you're toast, there's something about like when you go to like Phoenix and do the improv, where you're at least there every single day. I know this when you do like when you're like in an airport in connecting through there's a certain emotional tax. I almost feel it's uh. It's again. It's like complaining about right. You know it will try to look if this is old, is so heavy on my back yeah. No, but I know what you mean, it definitely makes you go crazy. Well, thank you, Jim Gaffigan Gaffikin. Do you know Jim Gaffigan again here, comedian silence, he thinks so much memory. I appreciated the end. Everybody thinks analysing the nervous, podcast scupper, quick announcements.

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