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a little shy about asking you too much about the meaning of the movies and he was like. I will as well as I know that someone is actually a fan of the staff, and not just you know that it's not bullshit that I wouldn't I'm totally happiness. I got a sub, so he's like I'd, love to back on so heavily on back on. You said you would love to come back on, but the values abuse phenomenal guest, so we're gonna get right then set this episode he's promote the love and mercy, which is the about Brain Wilson looks or age was ended. I saw it. I saw the night before we did the podcast and it's fucking fantastic. I mean the performances cues Ex graded and others with banks. Graves apology embodies fantastic compile. Data was is, is incredible like that everyone, it's it's a beautiful movie and its tragic movie- that of course not

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Yeah. She deafening is wired in there. Do you play in that world at all it yeah? What kind of stuff As far as its like when you're looking at you know like when you're looking at services or so for meteor attack, give me what what is it? What do you? What do you like, the servant of eight pence. Getting gotcha? a boy from one of these papers should really like send an alert to social media like when you where you live, I changed. My reasons they don't have the baby now, but I do have stoppage. Anyone know is freedom of press foundation, so a lot of it is some of the apps that are more about security and privacy and thought

that's great will, then you must be very happy that the privacy stuff didn't didn't patently yet a weird, it's weird think as the unknown, the border Jenny, I John Kerry, Barlow Glenn Greenwell nor a waitress over TIM and Edward Snowden were all on the board, so we saw the stuff coming and you never to do anything to change this. This Pfizer and the espionage act. Rapists gave a kangaroo court that saying it's a secret court and Trevor put. Sing on the website, saying she you can tell the difference between Pfizer Court and Kafka's the trial, let's and end, if you ever find out, you actually have more protection in Kafka and then you do here so you can take the question you can put it up if you guys ever see, but any maybe that's getting.

Pollack? No! No! No! That's! Ok! I don't know about these issues like that's. That's not necessarily what we have to talk. Not we can talk about right. That's what I mean is this is just as we can talk about anything you want, and this is really How can I serve you here? not at all. You are here, and that makes me very happy- You stopped stifling rebel essence looking, but this isn't really. I know I just know. There's I have known and I will lead time table, lets you here, because I'm leavin mercy last night and locking great didn't you did you like it yeah, you know nothing. Person to do you want you. Can you watch your stuff layer. Like I watched, you know, you just gets all immersed in it: bad you're done. You I'm just already on to something else and you sort of like going and yet to start talking about it again, but that's just the weird cycle of movies. It did this

we the screen or over the weekend and and- and I actually I had time- and I watched it and toward the look for sure such an amazing story and it's a very sad story which all the happy parts of a story, a sort of like after them, these over. It's like our well, you know he married led better and they had five kids and then they ve been together, that's all the happy severe but getting from getting from pollyanna Brain Wilson, two keys Brian Wilson. Just all it's it's such a night and I had just watched. I was just in Austria and I watched Amadeus while I was in Austria dislike and identify the different building, nice and also a nice pull for this two year that he be there. Now we see the Brian like the heavyweights yet, like just fans like me, you say the Mozart of Rock and roll. Well, that's a big industry that we saw these parallels and not only just in the way that he just in the way that the story presents how he seemed to visualize, music

and you know I just hear of examples like he was almost like salary- says about motorcycle- he was taking dictation. Novel seems like brain he's taking dictation in the studio and trying to explain to people as watching the wrecking heard. I can- and I am very sorry, but it's about the studio musician, those characters are in the movie. I when they were all talking about how Ryan Wilson would come in and that Haiti of Twenty physicians, any good first guy need start going humming apart, any run down the line, and by the time we got back to the first person they had forgotten, and he just got okay well here, every time you know you gotta check out is, if you really want to get into the movie picture interest in, you really want to get into it. To the smile sessions in the pet sound sessions, their credible documents, because year the pet sounds session. So you can hear him taking alive.

And then working it, and you have no idea where that's going and musicians Don Loris going, but he with one ear nose. Words, and then you start to see him build it and then, by the end of it, God only knows, or you have Sloop John, You have all these songs that are so into dna of their like the there now and our in a musically. But there was a time when none of that was there and no one had ever used or or Kestrel stuff and rock and roll, and so I think that fill spectre him the Beatles that you can see this explosion of stuff. So imagine two. Here's a twenty! Five year old guy, with one ear crossed the Atlantic. There's the Beatles and there's George Martin too little songwriters Lenin, among other, do nothing and ring of starch or terrorist and then there's just one guy in California, with like one you, yeah and they're, both like kind of in this weird arms race defines the chair

and algae, but it was a kind of a friendly competition where he would hear Foresaw and like his my would get blown and then he would write God only knows and in their minds would get blown, so they were when they were so respectful of each other, but that because I think there's good competitive listeners that competitiveness competition is good when it drives innovation, yachting it's bad when you're like destroy the person and softly are no. No, they look at me. I think they respect, although I think that more than respect today revered each other and the Beatles revered Brian, So when you hear the sessions you can hear him kind of, because if you think about now, you can quit any amount of sounds you want. You can say less pull up. The You know the Mozart right, we can start playing Mozart, but you have to visualize sound, bringing into a studio MIKE it and then do it on an eight track Cosette,

it's it's! So you hear that whole process at the end, you here I'm doing weird things like telling symphony musicians right and is twenty four twenty five years old, saying your hidden? No, but you gotta make it ache, and then he says Third Trumbo and to the left Middle MIKE one inch off. She knows you back there. You, your shit, you're shaken the shaker, but doesn't sound right. You gonna keys, yet bring your keys out check the keys. He goes habitat catch, a shaky gonna, make it sound like jewelry because he that sounds actually ok, let's go get you actually here, it's ok! It's basically having you wanted to say it. Like a behind the scenes, Mozart by one of his things together. So it's hard to say that, because I all that the sole ingrained in everyone's consciousness right meal by the eighties. It was sort of Hawaii

revival band right: the beach was coming out, but if you think, if you think about before those sounds ever were here and one rock and pop music sounded like than you here. Everything in the smile sessions has come in for the next forty years. Yet sergeant peppers like Paul Mccartney was chewing carrots on sergeant peppers and not puce chewing carrots on a song called vegetables on the smile session right then he went back to London and then they were made sergeant peppers and the obviously wants a mindless stretched in one of those deal watching entire go oh and rubber, so they just basically took this thing in a dead end up sure, there's stuff the Beatles like all what they just took this and then yeah, so they needed each other. But when you hear smile sessions and pet sensations, you can literally watch an explosion of concrete.

Happened like in slow motion and awake ass. His he hears it an inordinately you. You have to visualize music a long time before it arise or react to hear it to two like invite DE musicians to western studio happen, while waiting for the next number one record of rail- and you are used used to be doing like serfs? in writing. It is other things, so it's pretty wild think what he was doing. Well, because the Beatles basically start in the same way was a psycho. We're gonna do get you little pop and covers and then run into something opened up and they you know it's like they just open the southern dimension about this is where music and go in and knowledge in the sixtys. It began to open up in different ways to experiment with interesting document, remain the seventies called German and jukebox and when it is its german jukebox, but John talks about each of the records he has a man. And like what is influences were from each of these leg and heavy lake, the song philosopher this

right here. I sort of stole that and put that in here, and it's really fascinating. The evolution of that methodically musicians who may at all. All the other musicians talk though I think any anybody we were all subjective influences Even if your Bob Dylan, when he talked her at TAT music care thing, Well, no one could imagine how this song was written, but if you really look back at an you, listen to what he got three this many times here, he starts to do that as you can really can really. Sir. I can see that with Brian as well. You can see it because he loved a freshman and he was out California, in when the fifties, and he we're going to music? They used have these music boxes and stores and he would put on headphones. Listen to these four freshmen hoard, who were singing the sum these harmonies and he said his knife life was never the same once he heard them, then he fell Spectre and he, his kids would say he

literally when he was when they are growing up every morning he would play be my baby. I just love you could try the whole house- and you just be like lying on the floor- find a silken, but like every day, that's not true. Days year, three hundred and six roylake. When you, when you see when you see a story, They made a booby, those only so much time that you had so it's alright, it's always it's me where they sort of suggest. You know thing in this part. No, no! You guys come in and the recent coming with the most insane five part harmony like. I want to know what the this process was forgetting them too, because obviously it's like You did a thirty two, the fifth, but then you do this sort of weird augmented thing and we in the river buddy. I will you will love those smiles us our its ancestral, because you hear Brian doing it all and getting everybody to do it, and it's just throwing off seven per farm. It is not enough because, like you knows exactly what he wants well, the other parallel

I was gonna noticing is the Motors father and Brain Wilson's father, we're both that seem to be a huge decks. And so is There's something about is there's something about that that sadly created a kind of introverted life that that word genius was spawned, or did you know? Do you think someone needs trauma that level of tragedy to go in words. Then re express some is it was? It was kind of a sad bitter sweet like you Wanna watch someone did abused and you go. You know if he hadn't had that life would have been the man that he was would have created. What he had created. You know like do you ever think about I think about all that should have attacked me, I'm just as you yourselves, a former. Why think? It's like Eve, you look it have you sleep,

sitting you're talking and I came in, I said, ok, so what's the show and all the sudden, you know that, there's a format things were format it and they all know what this is really a formatted thing. You don't have to talk about your movie right it with its and select all. Ok. There are no rules, we can talk. More would have yeah right yeah, so I think every artist I think, wants to break past, these pre formatted assumptions and given right and just be free and creative and expressive, but I think you sort of edit yourself and I think what people maybe a certain kind of a trauma. There's if you really want to explore, there's some something I'll chemical and happens where you take you're on pain and turn it into something beautiful and that's what I think a lot. Stupid. I don't think you necessarily have to suffer to be an artist. That is good. I don't I don't know, I think it it's it's so individual. I don't believe, I think, that's a bit of a everybody has enough suffering where they

happen to it desirable thing for side dude. I dont know how do you do wonder whether if Sarge father was little less tortilleria Earth, Murray, Wilson, you didn't hit brine so hard, maybe maybe that maybe the meat music wouldn't be his beautiful enough, So maybe there's a wisdom till all the life experience bring of a person, but he's an extreme example, because we're not all geniuses and right and those two people, I think, were but It was. It was interesting, but it no answer to that. Right must or a quarter of an hour areas get. It ultimately have also drew we're gonna, be here until we figure this out. I don't have the interesting watch him. Essentially we construct a similar. Situation over and over again in his life is, is having that, especially with the Landy character,

HU. The second you see the guy you're like was summoned to shoot this guy expertise it up. There's an incredible thing. If you want to see it like this on, you too Diane Sawyer like doesn't, then is this like right at the end of his run, when you know he was being rightfully seem to be like a camp leak, fraud and psychopath, and she just doesn't interview where he just disintegrates on camera. Pretty interesting cause. She's like you, are breaking every doctor patient, what are you doing? This is discussed image. He actually obliterate the guy. It's really satisfying, oh wow, Well, that's great abs or its wild. Do you think we then most of our adult lives trying to re, express or or make up for our childhood freudian. Maybe Just you, I don't know, I think in some cases yeah. I think in some cases, because to me what happened to you, what happened to me

Nothing really severe happened. I moved allow when I was a kid, but my parents were awesome and very supportive. But I was always a new kid and so on Think I always you know me comedy was a defence mechanism is very small in under developed as a as a united grow until late in high school, and so I wasn't sporting events transport, but I understood I was obsessed comedy in science and cypher. Video games and technology in buffoons internet world most other people were not. It was very early adopted some most other people weren't, that's always, You know what I think comedy was just a defence mechanism, I'm positive. It was a defence mechanism. So I think that I know, but, but I know You still feel a lot of things that you felt when you were a kid you still someone says something you take it like. Someone was attacking you when you were a kid,

is that you felt when you were a kid you still. If someone says something you take it like, someone was attacking you. When you were a kid you I feel like I caught the upper my myself. I am that fourteen I'm a fucking grown up and my circumstances are different. Now. Do you think that or do not? I think I should have peeped and and remained either incredibly stuff, or a gloriously consistent. I I don't know what I am actually really know was. I was Were you put the final mysteries as one cell for it? I guess so, and I guess it's no you'll, never really fully understand the deaths, because I think we don't have the Europe tools. As you can, you can be as introspective as you would want to be a topic as possible like there's too much

your brain just too many experiences that you can't access all needed to. You couldn't ever know yourself fully and think yeah admitted the good thing is, if you, if you, if you workin, I guess in the arts and somewhere our time, you know what that means. If you feel alive, you always have an opportunity to sort of unify yourself Christian understandings by herself did you ever feel that you did. You feel if you had a normal childhood at all, has now arrived at a feature of the children men, but my parents and family was good, but then I started working with us. Fifty right size and making really, since I was fifteen years old, sets out really normal.

Right. Well, how do you get from European Illinois right yet so it was, was it so? Ok, so up to Chicago was a bit of an entertainment hub at that point, or did you know not really Minos? Terrorism is because a giant use the right, but I was just lucky because I was I was into it like. I was better it performing that I wasn't baseball or anything else and alike comic books, and I, like all of them, but I would like, if I was reading a great Berger, I saw a movie or play and I was it at a place, history, and I in it for me, says like- and I was better at it and I couldn't it occurs. Everybody has been good and leave a great athlete or anything so people so much better than me, but I was good at this thing or people told me. I was good at this thing, so kind of went there. And then I was having to be sixteen when they were making movies about sixteen year olds that I had a little experience. So it was a little bit of a weirdo,

Karma to get into the mood business. I think, did you do look back. Finally, at that time were, is it do? Is it if you feel like it was a mass now right it was. It was a wild of a system which is not nor I don't think it was like a normal thing to do to like leave high school. You know you're a set with Jaclyn beset facts. I know you're getting paid money and, like you know, people who want to fill me with this, just not a normal thing and then come up, Hollywood, and then you do it's a difficult thing to I mean how was it can be? A pretty rough town curable? There's lots of great things about. California, but the business itself as an actor and that it can be pretty savage. I think people yet another

if we ve, unless we want to pretend like it's not know, we can. You know it's during its aids in everyone's wonder of others, thereby setting like that. You know the business attracts. Certain personality type and then it sort of brutalize is all of those things about people like in securities in the sort of and ended the ego staff so, so nice that you said it, I didn't know, I don't like like a no. No, no, I mean you notes, to meet a performer who doesn't have some, I mean it's and I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that you know as a performer Europe, Europe were farmers, hypersensitive, because you you you, absolutely or being your surroundings and in trying to re express them in so correct, your naturally the good side about that is that I think you can.

You know it allows you to explore and re Express, really cool things and interesting ideas and inhabit other characters. The downside is that we're fucking, insensitive, wayward sensitive people and its very you know. Obviously you know I mean I gotta boxing one as a kid martial arts, because I love the honesty ever because, as I look if you're gonna fight, let's right now. I don't triangulate nothing passiveaggressive! It's! Ok, let's fight, but let us not pretend not fighting fires, because you're, so many sort of people are so slippery around here, because it has to do with all these kind of ideas of fame and status, and am I bigger than you know who's whose and always insecurities that are a, but I think, there's a part of you. Hopefully, if you

maintain your. Are your joy for what the court you love, then you, basically you fight to survival that bullshit and then you keep that part of you still alive. And hopefully you know you survive, but I dont know very bogucharovo people, people a syndicate crippled by are you good now at being able to determine whether or not you are making you, go decision or a decision that actually healthy and will drive you closer to your goal, because I feel like people say they I want this. This is goal that I want and then they're fucking. Get in the way here, like all: go you're just reading your ego. That's naturally not getting closer to this thing that you say you want sore, you good. You mean in terms of making making films, King Film was our work that we have different parts. You light frightened right, different parts which part you mean, I guess any part, We were because every part of the different series of choices in here in know your personal relations Then the types of reasons that you would take

jobs, are work, run people or be able, but does all feed into the same, but they all do they'll do ultimately feed into the same ego. And it worked, Ngos have been personally, you go here because you you need, you need different there from your interpersonal relationships than you would. Then you would cut away from whatever view, I think that's what first people about here that they don't separate. They like combine, like you, know, work with their own personal well being or the way they think about themselves, and so not doing well and work there, a piece of shit human b. That's doubly. What happens here is a younger person, the after separate those things right, because when you younger, you think how much do you yourself worth is dependent on whether this particular project or film realise what it could be, and then you get down on yourself in so many variables when you think succeed or fail in people's. So so how do you judge success? I dont judge it at all

beginning cause. I've had a mean. As far as I could films and work out like do you know, can you try to do is just don't even think about it, because I hadn't things were put things out and peoples were to go home, and then later on, they got all that was a great. We have them. Didn't really like it when it came out. So I think the time it's very rare you put something out and you can know what its value is right with that sounds or yeah, but I mean not everybody's Brian Wilson right we're whatever our small little project. Sorry you're really know you know, and then sometimes people can't see you have some new. Sometimes he definitely Elsie right away or something's. Gonna

too many people find it later. So thank you write a sombre painting it's it's where the limits as ok. This is what this is. We know exactly what that is. You have to live with a threat or interact with it, because sometimes so I dont really worry too much about what people say. Great one. Something comes out to sort of blocking out, maids nice when people are saying eight Levin mercies great right, but in a surly mean that bill in five years. I love it or in or they might some mouse. They say wasn't good. They might discover, as happened. So many times and films and may I can think of a bunch of classic films- have got savage product. Dixon in twenty years later is kind of brilliant, its funding, thousand smiles didn't, since they didn't get great sweets, Success will avert Lancastrian Tony Curtis, his best Phil Classic. It was savage by the critics. Ironically, one for life, savage by the critics, who was a box of failure?

I just wish you just don't you know that those are the examples like, but I think it generally. You just don't know it's silly to kind of think that if you're gonna make a piece ardors or create something that you should be able to define it right away right when it comes out- and you should have all the information about it- It's not like it's gotta go live sure. Well, that's what I'm illegal stuff comes in, because Regos very much of a short term gain kind of things. Like what get in this moment is very difficult, save yourself, Well, maybe someday, because there is a there's, a sub read it. I love called obscure media and someone posted Jeanne shallots nineteen eighty review. Good morning, America of sure he was on where and she was on of the shining and he a visceral is this, the absolutely eviscerated but in a way I went in thinking like what I don't give a shit, but the way we actually eviscerated. He makes some interesting points, but in the end you know

talks about how disappointing it is in need, of course, work I'm even talking about because it could break, but he doesn't. Fully realise and although the performances are good, fellows, ultimately meaningless and set up a system like the fucking chain, it oh yeah, so it's it's nice looked back at a single, no one, fucking just make just makes them Make stuff makes you wanna makes that makes up and then you know take the hidden. The government and gives one it is easier to do unlike its essential project and in your onto the next one. So you're not really like. You said earlier, it's like a little weird because you, when you, when you ve sort of processed it for yourself and your movie user, like ok, I know what that. Then everyone says now, let's talk about it again, it was really good. Writer really started to move now, and I we moved on that, but yet

and I like I, have other things: I'm taking a button workin on and stuff, but it's nice dockers and this what it feels like it's a good one to come back on, because Brian is such a beautiful guide, important artist and his wife is great and and all that that he went through. That is expressing the film which, by the way and not his entire life and how many series going up to the first time he heard you know the four freshmen and for speech was album. That would be you. Could it eight hours on that, but he did come through it all and is very very happiness. People around him love him. So he did survive a really difficult period in his life and. It's his legacy and its importance. It is nice to talk about it. You know if you have to come out into the world's a beautiful things about Brian Wilson that are also true. He had such a ban

no. It is about time within the area where it was whose great these very very much as you talk about artists being sensitive Pisa. The prime example that is almost like a client or something you know sitting on a horse. He wrapped sand. Angry. If you just feel angry, the horse knows right right, he's just think supersensitive person who can his antennas go up so high. That sometimes, It must be overwhelming and then at fame. On top of that, had people trying to control them and box in format creativity when he's Jackson Pollock her some geniuses exude, it's a good story. The town I became very fond, the Wilson's it just about how all day knows great act. Other actors agreed in Lisbon formal jazygae phenomenal, so it's kind of cool coolly and also just it's her character

and I think me, as a person also love how kind of up he's just ass. He was just honest. He just would ever say whatever It seemed like he would say what did you see he still that way. It's like it's! It's both like enigmatic, vague and sometimes cryptic and sometimes funny, but he just doesn't have that sort of bullshit. Which is like ok, I guess I have two clock where we are what's going on. I just tell you the truth and subjects you just might you may not be what you want, but isn't it, but I've never seen spurs. I've never heard him say a bad word about anybody. Really! No, I mean you he'll, say Justices Smith. I feel this way, but he never says. Oh Chris Hardwicke as a is a bastard, and he really did me wrong rail to say gosh sitting with Chris Hardwicke. I really felt really happier I felt really set. He never even Doktor Landy I've. Never

he didn't say don't say bad things about it. Beaches says that was terrible time and I felt really bad. You think that's a better way to be. I think I think he survived a lot of stuff the. Maybe we would because I don't know- or I wouldn't right, because I don't know He'S- got a capacity for forgiveness and love, it's pretty powerful sire. I think it's probably better way to be It's when you said that you were is aware, mixture cause he's also fuckin survivor, of course, maybe that it's an obvious. Unless I guess you ve seen the movie here, lived in red the books and talk to him, but you know we debated he's still alive like just take it. Everything that he accomplished. The fact that he is still alive is is huge, considering everything that he went through a not just like. Not just the abuse of his father so the sixties like so I was going to survive in the sixties. You know like survive in the eighties

was rough, but but there I think it was like this explosion of and then there was a backlash to a two or people who are caught up and in the end, that much freedom yet when I met a lot of people who were from the sixty two poor crippled by the experience in on what we know about. A lot of great Arcy died, Rhodesia. You know when Adam Yannick, especially when they start. You know me too, I mean I've always had a thing with anxiety so I can understand that someone who used to drink a lot that you would suffer what's up medicate, particularly in the sixties affected, it wasn't a lot of what we were never get there, because I assume that really therapy culture, like figure shit out by yourself here and so, but to someone pursue medicate with,

and lsd to try to like make voices in their head to try to figure out mean it. Sir. Would you the brain chemistry like that. You just don't know what you're unlocking or what you're shutting down or what you know It's like, I remember you know You remember in the eighties you're, like I cocaine, yet the commercials war? He knows that addictive. Nobody wants addictive Can you imagine like in the sixties what it must be like? You must have just been a free for all. Really it is pretty wild free yeah. I guess I d like to ask you: what do you think your biggest struggle with that, because you, basically you work stop. Since you start no, I I I

they worked all the time. Really. I've just been around so long that it seems only but in the eighties he was that you had a strong string string and also for people of our age group. Only forty three forty three ok we're sacrosanct. Some of the most like philosophically and spiritually influential films of my love of Secondly, the fact you can take it you know so, but at the time I mean I don't know that Maybe not necessarily was your perception of what was happening. So what was your perception? What was happening to me is, it would depend on you. It there's like depends on the Eet REACH project, like each one year like. What do you want to say and what San, sometimes the scripts, were there Sometimes you help for them. The aged you're, trying to express something there,

new and, as you said, taking your poundings organised, in some way and then put them out in a way that was personal to pay or not sort of format it. But at that time, at that age, did you even did you have that point of view on things idea, but I think I don't usually people every year, times. They can be your birth, precocious and a few some areas, and that doesn't mean they're not totally stunted or like kids and other areas right. So I had I was precocious. I think at some ways better. Certainly a lot to learn about lots of other stuff, but I never had this sense that I was an Oscar selling bullshit, but in a broader sense- and I was like I thought- like elite Ism- is on artistic Creighton, so I I'm sure I had all the ego problems at all the bullshit. Everybody else does and I'm sure I'm an ass whole, but I never actually looked at someone and said: oh I'm better than them, because I'm an actor, I have to hire staff,

I would see somebody who was ill could be working on our apartment. Holding- and I knew there were already speaking their second language- and they come here from another country- and I dont speak to anguish- is worth if you're in a desert and a car breaks down. The most important thing is if you're mechanic rise of those skills or a lot more important in being a. The former. You know it, you could fly mechanic, I could plan Bulgaria, remember seeing a party and I would see like Randy, Johnson or somewhere in Hollywood. Any was like this big time. I know a guy lefthanded pitcher who could do a hundred and seventy miles an hour sorry, greater dismembering tall got about one area than he's really excellent that so there are some areas. I was good at young, but I never really thought that made me better than another person there and then that does splain. My actual behaviour do figure nasal. I think everybody a bit of an area. Of course they would you. I hope now is ok,

So you, when you think about yourself, it'll, go out and, as you know, the evident I'm sure people saw me into certain contexts are situation. They could assume it, but that's it. It's also a weird thing: if you're famous, which you must get low, but now can you dont? Sometimes you might be in your own, had space for trying to think about something. As people come up to you and then they talk to you and you're. Not pleasant is always an asset freeze, ungrateful or what are right, but it's really just A weird thing to be always recognised still feels new to me. So when people come up like why, like it still, it still feels it still surprise. To me. So I don't have that moment of, like I don't have time for you like. I don't, but I do understand that thing of you know, because Really I mean I see it happen, sometimes with my family or in a relationship words difficult for me to switch.

Like a fireman uprising, solace, Rodya, and someone comes up now like what you do and what are you gonna like I just meet up. I have too because if I break concentration, I'm going to not I'm gonna forget this thing and I think that's where the actual behaviour comes into. People think that you are kind of a jerk. Sometimes is trying to focus on something else and gifted? Like switch hats and oh yeah, I'm host something right announcing, oh yes alone and well. Actually, if you're trying to you know, if you try to immerse yourself in an apartment, concentrate on a problem, like you say, you're, something reviewed, went right, something I always whenever you were attacked whenever you attach to a project. I always had this and I swear to god- I'm not just trying to slobber on you, but I always had feeling, like all that must be cool. Do that's cool like theirs? think about all the roles are characters that were they were just more human it like that they were.

You know what a work because I didn't relate to be. I Didn'T- relate to the rebels of the Rhine and relate to the leg. You know the the unattainable like so fuckin theirs There was something that was very human about you being cool that felt like. Oh, I could be. That's our I couldn't I could aspire to be that it was left for us, rational to me about the way that you chose roles and play characters and they were vulnerable, but then that's what made them cool in a way did you see that or is that a part of you laughing at you pray, look at other actors. Are we ve ever glitter? If you look at the books, it you loved growing up or characters, they were kind of savagely human right yeah. Do you think it's your job as an actor?

to make our characters is human as possible. Third, or is it to just express away that you think that they should be portrayed, I think anything or first, when you start now you're trying to figure out what you thinkin and figure out how to express it? And then then it Lynn I've been thinking, it's more of a each project is a bit of a dream, waking dream and then you, you know you can play any part in the dream. It's all kind of parts yourself, and so I think about a little differently these days, you need time to come out of it. After subject area like the second, your daddy, I'm, ok, I'm good. No, I think you sort of to allocate it is you you know you you tread of if I'm gonna play, get to play, bridewell sandwiches such from an act no I'm not acting like for money to fund other things that I do not know which I do, but from the Deuce Stefano. Why cunning get a great wrong, a great film with great people on

change makes something good. He just immerse yourself in it as much as you can and then try to bring up things here on pain or your own things and give it give it a brain You can merge herself with that characterises a great can exercise. Fantasy exercise you can do with your own, sir psyche, yeah, let's get it out or projector he later something when you said you were that you were boxing. Was that debts spin out of say anything you. I was a bottle fair before that and am, and then, when I did, that yeah such our working with us Great Marshall, Irish, California, Don Wilson, and then you can work with the need for a long time and actually did. I did a film in China with Jackie, Cham Benyon. I went back out and we are doing this for their losses.

Like just cheer like hell? Raising adventurism is, which is somebody gives you call and says what you to go out to the goby desert and he'll, be doing a chinese language movie and you're gonna fight Jackie Channel Goby Desert like what fucking are we to seize the business we ve? Just like you have to just go? Did you find out you're out of the goby desert and theirs Chinese and there's like people on wires and flying. And you and you know it took adventure like you, You have the decency to Larry. If anyone ever gets that call. The answer is yes, our high representative, you know that it's like you know than the funds gone for you, man like red, you should just start to something else: find like that when you said like sometimes I'll, do a job for like money to find something else you deal like I like. Where do you? Where do you find the joy in the passion and the artist within like a job just kind of talk like, even if, as you know, you can't took it because you want to get some

else going it's like it's, the business is tough. Could he have to export stand the game and stay marketable to get the good parts and is whenever its all boring, but, but also like you know, people do that stuff. Time like you'd amazed how many ator directors or making like burger, commotions right, yeah, it's like and it's like and then so now we all do or our art effort, and then we pay the bills. I used to be a different. Maybe is different for some guys, but just where this limit easier for a to disappear, though, like ETA, commercial behaviour and actor, you gotta you got a really Kennedy. I think I'm gonna just try to make to try to get the best things you can. Then you know, if you do, I do like I do one movie. It saw bookcases come inside baseball for poor me after life? What did I do like Leather Mercier Krona film? Were you know another art film? You could do

one movie or pay you a lot more than that, and so it pays for other things. You do or other things you want to work on in Libya. Is I'm a piece of ok with you know. I think people can go we plan to build Europe. We want to improve something a little the foam readers, turnin screening go needle the next move. We because this is going to make this all work, that when you see what I'm building up to you know, and then you end up like Norma Desmond at the bottom of the sea. It will be because this is gonna make this all word that when you see what I'm building up to you know, and then you end up like Norma, Desmond was there we are why you know that sure, what's your version, that was my version. You let your version of of selling out buying it. You know I do love. I like the

Oh, you would work you did I do I like talking to you. Do you think I might do seventy eight George Romero Donovan That is why I think those now living didn't on a letter. The ark I think great american films, so many truly great, like high which are not guess your name cases is for many decades, but all the ideas and added that how ahead of the times and you because it's easy to take for granted. Now, oh able that's the thing, but it wasn't a thing: racism, consumerism demoted. You know: shopping mall as this feudal fortress nineteen. Seventy eight come on even beautiful. Even the idea of like a juxtaposition filmmaking like horrifying undead people with like ball music but like behind it like soil, a bunch of thy that hasn't done informers before his great beautiful, but also you know when when you look at a horror in what types of horror

subject areas are popular based on whatever that kind of fears that guy, whatever the global you know. So now examples are, zombies are being now because you know keep thinking like in our world, such a local community now and then gonna be somewhere biological warfare. That's gonna take out large swathes of the population, and this is like a normal kind of reading. It globalization is happening so much further in other great corporation, are there and in a were building walls around each other and but obviously we all know that the richer getting rich. Rights. Everyone else's get fucked There isn't any sort of sensitive. A sense of the word on it together. So there's gonna be a blow back from the hand these ultra here as regards what about the land of the dead were the poorest people upon like in the top of the building yeah? One of my favorite writers are- and I always said there

the greatest secession movement. Isn't you know the rich to their private towers? It's the rich! outer space for the round, and they go one of those people doing with that bauxite. In my mountain one of those people by my if it is not easy, I'm right, Elysium, it's all site, Alisha, understood or those genres taken taken like the fairy tales mystery. The psyche like, which is more of a rod sterling ask kind of horror genre that I like a lot, but I did like fourteen away. Is that it was, however, was more of Us Sterling Stephen King rods, hurling the other, the hotel, oh yeah how's the shining ass, a metaphor for what's lurking in your. Catch. Surly wrought rod, sterling's brain- I mean I still I'll still just put on us

my laptop and my bed just put a Goin Netflix put on Twilight Zone and then just was on which ones which which Wednesday eleven now and I mean. I think that the first episode with firm, where the guys in the US nation castle, older persons, spaces in the town and his eyes in solving these problems, I think maybe last manner, but but that idea of of watching surly explore the what what a mine can do to itself? Yes, those types of like deep site we? You know I love the. I behold her words. How do you define beauty, and you know where she gets the plant, the reconfigured surgery, everyone's gonna pay faces, and such an interesting cut. That's interesting comment. Society or the other one where the EU can take a body

perfect and in his idea of when everyone is beautiful, no one will be beautiful and, as you know, I e the gay even got into like were cricket for wrong and you can but did you have where already had like some Android boxer, and it was like a bug, schubert thing with this kind of broken down here. Boxer. Yet there was a kind of being set up like primo current, DR losing accuse even into intelligent communication they would? You sort of a comedy facilities for the buster Keaton episode were were buster Keaton installed in the first part of Charlotte, silent film. Buster Keaton in the one thousand eight hundred than that his be working with this he's, like a lab assistant for this doctor or for the scientist in the scientist, makes a time machine and he gets sent forward the sixties, and it's not that it's sort of that

hasty. Well, is that wells like utopian like or the future is going to be a utopia and it's a complete dishonesty Eloy machine in that way, but I mean you know those differently. No one you know who else was using? So Why biology series to make so much commentary on on what was happening in the culture that people were which again not somebody his douche bag now, but the public are important and also the pulled writing. You know they were just turning out kind of the penny. Dreadful types. Those types of formats for writing were were Where are these subversive mischievous mines? Were

given space to play its role as the larger at the moon. Sixty yes, of course, is giant morality play. Of course, man that was half black on one side have white, but the entire race of his planet was white on one side and white and black. On the other side, he was reversed and also like. We think about the that there are now is a crazy adaptation on american exceptionalism like in sure there are points that ethically answer the rush. The stuff about it It was no use more and more time about space Navy into the universe and bring american ideals to them. As the body was it, but it was always a reflection of the it was reflection. He's the aspirations of rights of what what the american dream were, and I feel like I mean No, not sound all a man about it, but I feel like now an anthem you serious like now? It there's the especially with horror and sigh fighters, sort of an economy of shock. We have to shock people. I feel like the angle. Mere black beers seemed like Mariette,

Mayors of evidence shows critical, Ganem, Charlie worker and its it. It's it's anthology, isn't anthology. I haven't a really good thing to watch. Relinquishing unwatched thirty, seven episodes eleven six episodes in a Christmas episode, and it's it's so fucking great, because you know it's british, six episodes at all. They do over their living, they think they are going to make some more. I it's a great about black mirrors that can't wait. Oh you know it's a fucking, good and dark, and come to that in that that type of stuff doesn't happen as much anymore. That is that there is a real theirs commentary unseemly regional has cards right now.

The British Isles guard there. That's the wonder: watch thirteen episodes, Thatcher, Britain, its rude all, take on politics and its apps, everything still absolutely true of its entire scurry gray em. In the new ones, nice tube this this one that was done a long time so wondered I Youtube. I think I think, blackmail or something that and it was on Netflix, but I dont know if it is taken of it. I think they take enough to bring it back jack. Raymond just starts the episode just start like there's. No guy saying here is a tale of some. It's like assist. It starts and you just follow the story about the figure everything that's great about it is that with Twilight Zone it so imaginative, its own. If the world was consistent. Consistent while its own is that someone was gonna, get some form of amendments, but with black mere All the episodes with it was the love karma right Ryan was into assertive right right. Blackmail,

somewhat similar, but it's kind of like out is so it's kind of dislike slightly to technological future that we're all the headings tat technology We dependent future that we're all summer further, along than other spots, its stories are connected in very subtle ways and if you watch them a couple of times will start seeing threats that make me think that, ultimately, if they were too, you know if further burger was to make a couple seasons of the show that they might might start to all tied together as part of the same. But it's really, I think, you'll absolutely adored. The first episode, really, I think, you'll get well? Is it me Copley last year near before us earlier before what austere binge watch I've been well, you know, game of thrones, not my slave lot. Lot lot of lot of horror movies watch a bunch of horror movies over the weekend. It's hard to find a good one of those who it is

Whore madame undermine compatible. It was ok yeah on the watch on the bad, a book about I'm not looking great, really awesome so, but No, they didn't see one where there was a very low budget, but there was something where the king, who was called, but there is a pit like a mud pit in that lays down one of those John. Was that it again you you can't really like a bad romantic comedy or a bad thriller, but you can like a bad. You can love affair. And I like a bad horror tourism, one of those genres that that again, You can't really like a bad romantic comedy or a bad thriller, but you can like a bad. You can love about more film because you you can love the effects. Are you can love what they tried to do or you could of what the constitution?

Freud think I could have been that accurate. So, let's give it a chance, you know we could all be there, you don't, let's give it a J S been a good run of worries lately, like with like love, is anyone's like the guest, and it follows in house of the devil like other Taiwan or next all the can we wanted. The british colony. When I've been a there, some japanese and korean horror films, oh, they are looking to arrange hussy. Looking terrifying yeah, I mean that's, I'm Cavan as mechanisms or if you like, gives you audition yeah yeah, balance, work and just watch in the daytime, but they don't. And don't don't be nice. Don't ever have sex with anyone? Don't ever don't just don't yeah it's written watching a lot of the british ones, and what do you think about

british horrors that they there much slower and there is much more like. Oh there's, a weird psychological thing: that's happening here as opposed to these these Korea. These aid that ended the Green one, especially just like we're gonna make. You cry with imagery. That's gonna fuck your brain up, because this shouldn't be happening. You still recover. You still do. Still I haven't read any like New: can we do What kind of stuff do I saw like? I dare Devil, Netflix, also good, Charlie, Coxcomb, yeah, really really good, I'd like to watch and in Africa doing stuff again, we are obvious great. We watch the first three episode, the wayward pine. Which is actually fun chow. It's a fight at the Fox Show Matt in its it's kind of its

little bit last twin peaks, vibe and there's very much. It has the sole of prisoner, Gypsy, the prisoner, well, that that's beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, but have you been to that town? No, there, it's it's an actual town, you know too, it's called. I dont have thrown up pronouncing correctly, but its spelled like port Marianne and its in Wales and sauntered would go in there. Patrick Mc Gowan, Patrick we're going. There is a real logo and the things I could almost a great seen, one of those where he's talking to whomever the new number. Two is yes and they're saying so, and this is what he wants. It does everything to control everything all information. All information yes collected all and you think of that you go always basically you don't keep Alexander, that's a basically not collected all of it every thing: every building, a huge data center and you Tom. Well, you know it's it's incredible. How prescient of science fiction,

the work? We are things that, MR against a whole lot digital, but just the speech that it gives them alike were curiously what's inside that had to be was old boy what you gonna do with information it's in there. We want to know what you're up to like. Basically, they want to give it me, don't go and quit from they want to know like what's in his head, and I think I did and then with the artist no to visit her for why maybe wrote that is to say the first thing before they get you physically right. I have to get your imagination Sure right so like he pitch? They just want to know why he was. I heard what you gonna do. Not everything is. Basically. What are your plans to me? So I have just said: I resign because I don't like you What do they want? Let him go, but no, you can't keep anything secret, but the prisoner is painful for me because it is just that last episode, which is, I think, was just

I don't know what was going on if it was like. I M bones them: Berlin, bones in boats that are not. There was sort of like a fuck, you, too, the network or if it was ass, if it was like just weird like this is the sixties, abstract kind of art comes in way. I think at the ear them whether you like the metaphor. Not there is no one in charge right can never have enough clearances. It's just a madhouse right. I think whether they express or not, I thought that was the only logical conclusion but I don't know it is one of the strangest episodes of anything ever felt. We know it's hot, that's coherent. And comes from a very thoughtful like absolutely rigorous mind. And if you like this, this is a very challenging thing to be a writer creator of something where you can map out. Ok, you use you hook. People go, there's a conspiracy, that's unfolding in Egypt, You get incrementally a little bit closer to figuring out what

going on whose oppressing whom, who the villains armed with a good people, are if they're gonna prevail, if they're not gonna prevail, and it's very difficult to tie up like the more the more intrigue you lay out, Those are, you know like fifty more loose ends each episodes, and how do you at the very end tie them up. In a nice bono, here's the reason like a very difficult thing to do? Enjoy we? Wouldn't, whenever you making film you like, I will do we have an ending, and sometimes you think, ok, we know the ending and then ok. We can figure out what happens for the and assure because you know you have an ending the sort of have you present doesn't rapid meeting to above a sort of opens up another door You feel like you're done for now. Have you been in something about your shooting really had a factor in it and then in the annual o August? That's like no employers. Surprisingly, you know exactly what you know: when it has an ending- and you know those running in you know whether you understand where the gaps are right to from experience from

you can read a script and go okay. Well, I guess this is how this is going to play with them when you start actually making some are so many moving parts that maybe cable on a page. I guess that works, but now that we are actually doing it did gets feels weird. This feels like it's now working as well. Yeah, there's all that stuff, it's just, but then there's the other thing to which, as you can go you like three phases: you're writing a script, and then you have to cast it right and then shoot it. You do everything right there you can still find, because then you have much people, then. Maybe we can have anything to a movie and they start to want to play with and rearrange it or put a terrible score on it. Each phase of it is you have to sort of get lucky or be good or have enough juice to sort of look over it, but I can sort of wander off and I need face that were being a control

can really fuck you up because there are so many things that you just don't have any control over that affect the outcome of a thing that has your face off: Bethia, P, and you know I think, not performers don't understand or other people, the businesslike hate, I'm going to say like the line producer fuck this up or the lighting guy. Did this they're gonna go junk Jussac. Did they like you'd have it has literally nothing to do with you, but you know good news. Sometimes you, the other people have good ideas and they make better the it's it's never your failure or your success. Anyway. It's always a group failure group success, yeah be maybe they're for five main

players who can we're leaving yet or maybe one person is leaving it, but you can't you know you can't be in a good scene without another good actor and something you both did and then you have to have a sensitive cameraman and then you have to cut it right and- and I have to get a care and but it does at the end of the day. That is why the hell were you and that will be as I well, it's not like was it is it? Is it hard for you sometimes to be a performer when you, when you know feel so strongly about things that are going on in the world that are there, serious that are a familiar knowing that I resent. If, if somebody doesn't have a point of view. Then, maybe just don't have a point of you sure if you dont have a point of view than don't pretend I give you like you ve ever take on the material or, if you have something to add great

but it just becomes this idea where people start triangulated for control over something right and that's when I get like you go crazy causes like we don't have any ideas about this. Why are you I mean in terms of I get the director and the actor and writer had an idea that go with them, but if you feel have taken the material better not to mess with it, if you don't have anything to eat, right and that just comes to like common sense like when you talking someone if they understand what the essence of the materialise, but these bigger, but these bigger ticket items about the government surveillance in and you know, Are things going on in the world that are atrocious and an you feel very strongly about these things, and you know I think about him all the time. Ok, no, I mean I think about it. You can

probably drive me crazy if you, if you where I sat all the time inasmuch as much operable stuff, but it all depends on the depends on the movie to like you know if you dont a movie like fourteen oil words about a gone crazy, hotel room and the psyche. Is you play Plainfield than anything up like you start to create with whoever your creating within the writers and stuff? But if you do something that has more of a political banners, if, if you're gonna, if you can open that go all the way right back and let you know so doesn't do you have to get you have to cram every project with all of your thoughts right, we have to be dealt with in her agus what's joy Do you like? Where do you? What do you do too decompress? Or what do you do for yourself too, to take a break? Our fine joy

Goodlife yeah, I like road trips, yeah a lot, but it might be just for my life as when a barnstorming you're like have a friend who's that played in the NHL for a long time. Is telling us Anita, Pollack. Twenty four years, the any challenge I cease. He he's retired, he retired at forty eight and his whole families he's such a different creature. Here then, it's like it so foreign to to so many different party. The lifeboat He'S- and he just sort keeps movie realise how he was I travelling, since he was eighteen different at each night, music barnstorming come into its that perplexities games. That book is Begone, and now he still so. I think I have a little bit of that to regular wanderlust because in travelling so much for so long that

being on the road or being on sort of movable space between here and there's place, reconsider think a little bit. So I like going on road trip. Zero crossed the country here, just get lost, everything have fun. It wasn't, might dad. If you don't like motorcycle treasure, no, no, I'm terrified of motorcycles. I feel like I would flip over the handlebars in that thing would treat me up in the gears. You did. I do that, but I am I I talked to the two wheelers much cause. I don't wanna have broken collar bone Were you sing right right now read out, I think I may read amateur broken the did at the destruction of the body writer, the crippled kind of re right, reverently unduly like motorcyclists, cycling or road, do like one LE three wheel ones. It likes look so stupid, but I'm care progressive on bright, Emma Psycho look so cool just now. I guess what I want, but that's all just do those convertible, don't you get it, then you get that by which?

Maybe they'll get me: maybe they won't, but not to nine will be here. That's what that's all that's what the road jobs they where I'm going, how the fuck do. They know where I'm going. Don't you ever feel like, I feel like there's a mid point in a road trip which that you are going a long distance. We almost feel wait where the ropes comes a saga and you know: there's gotta be recurring characters, not really good. Ducas is like somebody showed up, and one alas, turbulent and mother would give more from here. We just knew each other. You gotTa Kellerman returns for for a sum of debauched act. Where will you go We are the roadmap and then it's almost, however, equally, freeing it is really go over. There is also something imprisoning about it gives you like. I don't

to stop here in the middle of this cornfield like I'm stuck I have to, halfway between five hundred miles to get to the next area, and I have to promote it even being like on a vibrating machine, the whole time. Don't you ever just kind of feel like weirdly claustrophobic by the ultimate freedom of it. Now the exact opposite, I feel like so its exact opposite to feel like you're stuck in traffic right from it to me. I just like a united wanted more freely to scorn The road you pulling up into some town and pretty cool, even a I bet my parents, my dad hated flying, and so we drove everywhere when I was a kid, and I also had the great other advantage, which is whenever you're somewhere, he can say here the hunter which is like the decision to flee, came suddenly so there's always aims to play with yourself in your favour, gave us a reliable you do like using technology, or do you like to figure it out old school style? Why did at one time that I was like a little freaked out because we ve gone from

Chicago to New Orleans, which is a great cry, because you ve gone like the natural park when you gotta fell, Memphis and how these places ice came into this great diner Memphis. I took a picture of, and I put it on one of those twitters and then people came to the restaurant like us I notice that this is such a cool place, but obviously can you send it out? You send it from an egg. As we know, tat the eyes here think about others like in your Macgregor, always does like down an entire continent or across an entire Karachi. I love that because it's just that gives me a lot of fun to like you. This thing with which I cannot. I want to go to the Gobi desert. Unlike the other four weeks, what was it like?

four weeks ago we desert really beautiful, and just you know you just like being travelling that way, because you are given if you're in Berlin barred four in the morning, if you have an opportunity, travel on you just see how much life is going past. You you just and you realize how in a way insignificant. Your own cycle drama is when you see the totality of so much life and how ill when America thinks it what's with the rest of the world, thinks about and there's one other cultures and things you can get into so it's at or something about it. That makes you get you right size or something beautiful about it being in strange places and just seeing life go by there's a little being a part of it but removed from it at the same time connected. But it's not your theirs. The line from a yes or no, I'm telling you it's so stupid. There's a life from yes:

it plays in my head alot. When I especially want to Europe by satellite where'd, you go Austria. Fucking me, in Vienna in Salzburg year. They have a lot of the very obsessed with chopped small chocolate, desserts dainties everywhere. Rhapsody dainty earning obsessed with dainty pretzel, bread they, but everywhere you go prattle, bread about harem area that no real Steiner place. Now I've always wanted to go. There was yet alive Vienna is well I've been there while ago, but it did at first It's it's so unbelievably because there's just this is nothing like it here and so, when you see basically that what they did like the thought that the kind of Habsburg constructs of Vienna will mean Busdriver announce a ball. So if you look at one story up, then you see

the building like you see. You know that these everything was a fucking palace. Just like a gorgeous white palace. With with carved beautiful, I mean the care and when you anything about the technology is available to them at the time. The fact that this was done and play and so well and so in Salzburg is similar, but it's just quaint and it's not it's like you know, Viet itself, at least on the part of it is everything's very white and prestige in an and and regal in Salzburg. Very is quaint and there's there's a lot of history, and so it it took it feels austrian or german descent. Do you know, now my its attack on my mom side and then anglo mark. My dad said help like basically northern english scottish people. It became hillbillies nice I think I've met once so. Is there

we stunning, but that this this line from the? U S, song is don't surround yourself with yourself, which I think is much a part of what our culture is now with recommendation. Engines are for me and everything is like our whole idea like its acceptable to surrender those with ourselves, and so like what you were saying that go when you go away, you you, you, you see the totality of everything that's not who we are and you're connected, but not coming. I feel like it's. I feel it gets a duty to get out of your

in in spear, your immediate, wherever privilege to. If you can write, you know if you can do it for sure. Do it like me, if you go to China to if you think about animal, to one point, six billion, so few take denied says we have twenty three two hundred fifty million three is addressing run like three fifteen area, so double that yeah, ok and you're, still a billion short right. That's where all the people are that's, so this is such a huge world out there, so it so. It is good to understand how sometimes for company understand Bastard is how much time you give yourself in between projects to go fuck around verses. Ok, I devoted proud about the workmen. I dont have any real set plan because you never know when things are gonna pauper. You training, you sort of Irish think until a bit like your number, the old toppled, Jijiu yeah, don't laugh is not about up up up up up.

One plainly running arrears Clayton was about to fall and I guess because hard to raise money for movies. It's a strange thing to do yet and movie business is tough now anyway, but she trying to get a project go and be never know jack. We when it's gonna come together. Was it ever easier was hard in different ways. I think it was a little easier. Maybe when I was younger, benefit business changed a lot. There used to be got like EU subsidies to say, like how Pennsylvania with so much better Ma. Branded right is now the corporations of candidates, the Corbett mindset and I mean to say the players and Hollywood were like mafia guys, but they were individuals who had power right, read they work, they didn't have a corporate headquarters boss but like, and they were and they were,

a couple guys em, like a guy, a great producer, Joe Roth, are used to run Foxen Disney here, and he would you know he, but he had like pride in his portfolio right and he was is a filmmaker friend filmmaker, so he would make like Connor and he would make the rock and these big budget movies to get lots of money, but then he would just give like six or seven of his other. However many films he was gonna make a year to filmmakers at he liked and I gotta make gross point like I've. Delity Speckly got to make summers. Sam was large and got to make Rushmore House all become there was one guy. You know who is in charge. Who like was I came in. I won't make films and its nelse so grouped thanked him corporates other guys on top of everything, runs through committees in this place. I remember a time when I made a handshake

the guy do whatever you will have many days. You shoot us we'll shoot, and you know so. I I had a memory of a time that was different from each other. Gross. My blanket have really don't seem like that. Long ago I mean just start doing this data. I wish it run a studio again, but he's making a bunch of great Hansel and Gretel, still a lot of fairy tales of producer and Meda, Charlie and chop amidst the incredibly six guy, but when he was running a studio was a different path. Was the and I was younger too then, so he also innovative business. Keep skilling lie with matters advocated to younger and younger people. Tat. You can do your forties, maybe, but I don't know, I don't know how it works. Well, with Gross Pointe Blank High Valley, which are both fucking amazing movies.

Are they money that would have happened? If I wouldn't be able to make, I wouldn't be able to make those movies today, in this climate, where they fund, did you have fun, get good good good, good people ass. My fair movie, I say its jaws and high fidelity. Those am I to her mother. That's strange! Isn't it Go missing! Allow those movies, like you, ve, remove. What's your favorite speech and drugs, and was there's only. We want Robert Shoddy Alien sweet spot. I do like robberies, ideally ravages speech to be to the city council, when he scratches Bickersdyke corporate because now the second they are great, so good. An ipod elitism robs talking to the Cambrensis, which I am a fuckin asshole,

if agreement is wearing out resigning out when she goes and tells sister in real life, all the things that you did yet now it may, if you just do it, I don't sound like a total asshole, which I might But if you look at that today, that's a studio movie where the lead of the film is admitting that not only did he cheat on his, why cheat on his girlfriend, but then she got pregnant to have an abortion and he had to borrow money right up and at its very human. It's not particularly nice, but I don't know. I can't even imagine pull testing that see out there. The studio being a guy that I can make a deal with our story. You guys did so well and by the way it was in the book, and it was all those things still. You know it's. It was a different different time repugnant,

guess it so well, it's just pull it. It's one of your books to just pulling it from London and putting in Chicago you guys really did a very sort of seamless. What I felt was when I read it was. It would be a great thing, because the difference really was that we were obsessed with punk and they were obsessed with rhythm blues and soul. But once you do that it was sent out. I mean you, take away the caught me out of sand and put a cargo access, but with the same issue same guys seem too. Do you sort of culture as a weapon to inoculate yourself from your feelings and eyes thinks of the love, a ludicrous it is that he that robs character

she's trying to find out if she slept with TIM rabbits character. Yet the world music guy and she said Anne and it turns out she haven't yet so he immediately goes out and had sex with Marie defer the outward immediately like ok, good you just get in the way of a despicable visa. Wonder was a wonderful one, but a guy he's one of US human guys. I've ever seen him yeah, It's like you and if you, if you put that stuff in here, you can't such I feel it oh, that's true and it makes you went in ok, you know there's nothing we can do we have not done. We ve all made the same mistakes that made me tat. The same ones so in closing, we, I think you have to do interviews and told them last thing that I want to ask you about it. We totally totally fine, I have read, or I will say right now that categorically refuse to talk about this subject

we made it and then afterwards heroic adds wasn't what I thought it was. You know this might be. One of those times were because of somewhere that you were not and that's might be wrong- we're not a fan of the Savage Steam HOLLAND movies better off dead, like you made it, and then afterwards your like this wasn't what I thought it was. You know this might be one of those times because of your age and stuff like an asshole, and maybe you weren't, but I didn't I didn't it was one of those things were I made it was he who knows young, recent said you started think about failing you're worth over with you I get, and then I didn't really have a feel for when I first saw it because of the score, but it was was fine. If I was a black comedy was good, but then what happens? Is you have to go back in the days did after depressed what we have to go to another city each day and they talk, and it would want to talk about in a fisher

Are they want talk about those that movie and you were trying to talk about what you wanted to talk about, so it wasn't that I didn't either hated the movie or hated anything. I just didn't want to keep talking about it. And it became a thing where I was sort of hating and I feel terrible causative. The actors of the director thought that those on me ok, yeah! I didn't I didn't you. I never really thought about it. I was sort of like onto the next thing but Gunnar, but I was like seventeen years yet we then, and there get repeated, because people ask you about it again and then they read it on Wikipedia and they'll ask about so's. I call it still an issue it was not it's not an issue yet no, I was, but I have had a hard time watching. I'm not I'm not. One of those people that, like is afflicted with the curse of blue

having what they do. So much that I consider Washington can really is kind of. Like always see the things I could have done better things. If you wanted to be a certain way and then did fall short, so you know you look over the years to start having an opinion about thing, sure endlessly I but I, but I didn't really. I just know better than I have nothing against any people dig it it's great. I thought it was. I remember this gripping great black harmony in Bulgaria. Different ideas of I mean I I think a movie I may call max- is good really good but like, the score originally was a modern score and the director sort of I think, he's lost his nerve and you want to put a traditional score and to me it's not, I will move. My head has the floor. Four score right. When I see it,

but he's running visual things. My doesn't mean people's experiences. Serbia's and Garden yak is so I dont know. I was tired of talking press. Two words about the same movie, so I must have been. I could have said something bad about it. I really remember I don't remember saying I don't remember a long time ago, but also it just you know like that, will be better off. Debt is one of those movies, and so many of those movies were so like. I said they hit, oh and the core of just a generation of people, who wine they weren't successful when they first came out, they weren't now. In my own mind like nice, even wasn't I mean it came the kind of came away, but but then I needed to describe deadline or black comedy elements in surrealism that had been done in the general Pino. I was looking at heart What's the score I wanted to, I thought it would be a cinematographer be a little darker and I was seventeen years old or eighteen years old. So no, I don't.

Good good. I'm so glad you don't I always area, I love what he says. Shame throwaway, perfect but why would I feel bad? The director thinks, I wonder, is totally there's that we you ok do sought. We set out to solve a lot of problems. I think we should all be feared at ninety nine out of a hundred elevator together, but but I'm so that we will do this because we ve been weapons. We ve chattered over email for them for the patent airs and obviously our mutual friend, sardine who television in the grate there's only ever rights revenue Jane first in the past years ago, she was opened up. Just like this is Instagram. I love this is about it like she was years ahead of she's always years and of everyone else, but you Come back any time sure- and you know if you, if you come

companies are you sure you want to be indissolubly show unity? then I think you know they said no We are taking a outside movie actors right now for fine, but I and I love it I love that you should show. I want to make cuts, they know. You know. If you know a campaigner, Gunnar yeah What have you seen the noon? The fear that other road, one with Michael when made eight men out with him all right, Michael Lookers, great actor, but workers, the badger it I'll just have to do and say it insane, dash L. Why do you think he saw some play that eight I did with new crime my place- and this is how

what it's like to be in the inside of your mom? It's not pretty best thanks for real. How is then show good fear. I dunno unseen. Yet oh hope is good. I hope it's good I mean I I wanted to be good, but you know I trust it. Totally with have. Is you know how do they do they make it? similarly, can really make it similar to walking dead, but in its differences, will people be happy with those differences. Or they gonna go whose isn't working dead like fucking different show. You know they will have to be if lungs, eight, usually existential crisis, for for the characters to face themselves that threat there are. However, it is in his lines. We ought in about the first one, that's beautiful about the as long as the auditors. Ok with not ever knowing like knowing what is what? What did you

what the viruses, because curtain is, why not said you're never going to know, because it's not important to the story. What is important is that this is what happened. And these are haven't hey man, we'd revelations says obviously that enjoy your breeder now, leaving noticed dot com- worried